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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 11 2008 17:34 GMT
#61
On August 11 2008 21:40 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2008 16:19 FirstBorn wrote:
Ok, can anyone reccomend me the pack of a zerg with good ZvT ?


Rets ZvT is the most similar to the the style pro gamers use, with good micro and pretty good macro.

Gosia looks impressive because of his mass drone/macro style, but his style is to macro heavy imo.

Mondragon played almost no T's and the games he played were more him out strating/beating smart then his oppts then due to great micro/macro.... Mondragons ZvT is impossible to learn much from because it is so based on his feel for the game (alot like his ZvP).

Machine has a few impressive ZvT's but he is to safe sometimes

Incontrol is probably the best for any C- or lower zerg to learn from. Very straight foward ... no complication style. Macro/Timming heavy and not very reliant on muta. Much easier style for players to imulate then Rets.

Overall in terms of skill ZvT I would rate them in this order ... Ret,Mondragon, Gosia, and control .. ( just my opinion , not based on any fact other then watching, the other zergs I watched very few replays so I can't judge, DinoT is also good I just can't rate him as I only have seen 2-3 reps)


Thank you good sir, can't wait to check the replays out.

I recently switched to zerg, so I have a looooot of things to learn now.
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Psilver
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada82 Posts
August 12 2008 05:19 GMT
#62
I just start watching the Mondragon replay pack and in his 5 game vs Arew, Arew upgrade armor instead of weapon. Do armor is more effective when you know that the Zerg is going for a fast carapace upgrade?

PS : Funny how Arew let the zerglings run by in the FIVE games^^
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
August 17 2008 18:59 GMT
#63
On August 12 2008 14:19 Psilver wrote:
I just start watching the Mondragon replay pack and in his 5 game vs Arew, Arew upgrade armor instead of weapon. Do armor is more effective when you know that the Zerg is going for a fast carapace upgrade?

PS : Funny how Arew let the zerglings run by in the FIVE games^^


With +1 armor it takes 3 shots from a sunken instead of 2 and 3 shots from a lurker instead of 2 to kill a marine. You can imagine what difference this makes considering the firing rates of sunks/lurks
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 20 2008 12:23 GMT
#64
On August 18 2008 03:59 anderoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2008 14:19 Psilver wrote:
I just start watching the Mondragon replay pack and in his 5 game vs Arew, Arew upgrade armor instead of weapon. Do armor is more effective when you know that the Zerg is going for a fast carapace upgrade?

PS : Funny how Arew let the zerglings run by in the FIVE games^^


With +1 armor it takes 3 shots from a sunken instead of 2 and 3 shots from a lurker instead of 2 to kill a marine. You can imagine what difference this makes considering the firing rates of sunks/lurks



I believe arew is toss, and that he is referring too ZvP.
Sourdough
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany92 Posts
August 25 2008 08:40 GMT
#65
There go my exams AGAIN. I wish I was a mothership and had the timebomb ability. Can't remember the last time I had 150hs on my hands. Thanks a Lot though!
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
August 25 2008 13:50 GMT
#66
On August 12 2008 14:19 Psilver wrote:
I just start watching the Mondragon replay pack and in his 5 game vs Arew, Arew upgrade armor instead of weapon. Do armor is more effective when you know that the Zerg is going for a fast carapace upgrade?

PS : Funny how Arew let the zerglings run by in the FIVE games^^

yeah cause if zerg goes cara toss's weap is nullified thats why some toss go armor
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Red.Cloud
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada235 Posts
August 26 2008 01:34 GMT
#67
this honeslty is the best thing!
righthand
Profile Joined June 2006
Haiti163 Posts
August 29 2008 21:57 GMT
#68
so sweet
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-04 13:44:47
September 04 2008 12:49 GMT
#69
Anyone know if Nazgul made a reppack of his games? I think it would, along with Legionnaire's, be the most interesting rep pack in there for sure.
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Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
September 04 2008 14:16 GMT
#70
still havent be watched all of even one persons rep pack lol let alone the 10 i downlaoded ;(
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
September 05 2008 21:33 GMT
#71
I use them as tools. If I'm losing on a certain map say Andro ZvT, I'm going to watch 3-4 reps from a couple different zerg players, notice the flow of the game and move on. Mondragon is the only zerg that I watch purely for entertainment.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-24 22:22:47
September 24 2008 22:22 GMT
#72
awesome!

edit: which are good Ts to learn from?
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
September 25 2008 04:42 GMT
#73
As a mid-level zerg user, I've started to watch inControl.
Is there anyone else I should watch?
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
September 25 2008 17:59 GMT
#74
On September 25 2008 13:42 capek wrote:
As a mid-level zerg user, I've started to watch inControl.
Is there anyone else I should watch?


definitely Mondragon.
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-28 19:19:23
September 28 2008 19:17 GMT
#75
On September 26 2008 02:59 AlabasterFilth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2008 13:42 capek wrote:
As a mid-level zerg user, I've started to watch inControl.
Is there anyone else I should watch?


definitely Mondragon.


Castro!

His ZvT style is so precise and timing based, and I feel it's an excellent emulation of the korean 3hatch muta into hive style. I haven't watched/played much recently, so this style is probably obsolete to some gay Terran shit though
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 29 2008 06:46 GMT
#76
I'd throw in Haypro to the mix.

Haypro/dinot/castro etc.. all the young zerg's of today are going to do the same korean style. It's fine to watch but you will only get variation with a mondragon or perhaps myself. Not that the korean style is bad or anything! There is a reason why it is the cookie cutter z style
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
October 04 2008 05:25 GMT
#77
On September 29 2008 15:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I'd throw in Haypro to the mix.

Haypro/dinot/castro etc.. all the young zerg's of today are going to do the same korean style. It's fine to watch but you will only get variation with a mondragon or perhaps myself. Not that the korean style is bad or anything! There is a reason why it is the cookie cutter z style

Gosia ZvT is definitely not Korean style either lol.
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Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
October 05 2008 21:56 GMT
#78
Anybody know what P's are good to learn from?
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ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
October 14 2008 02:58 GMT
#79
Is it just me or are all the links to the replay packs down? Could someone who has Haypro's rep pack please upload it? It would be much appreciated!
Loveletter
Profile Joined November 2006
United States543 Posts
October 15 2008 05:28 GMT
#80
do i need to switch bw version to view these?
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