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it´s my opinion that intermissions are reasonably important for
a) smokers
b) drinkers who have a bladder
c) staff who might want a breather
d) spectators who might want a breather / to discuss games
e) everyone else who might have something to do during the stream
i suggest a 5 minute intermission between sets or before "final" games
for example on sunday´s games, we might have a score of 2-2 then a 5 minute intermission, and/or a 3-0 win then an intermission before the next set.
currently we jump from game to game without any break inbetween. i crank up my volume (impossible for some) inbetween games so i can smoke outside, have a widdle, and still be able to listen to the between-game and early-game commentary.
what are you thoughts on this?
Poll: rate the idea, 5=plz implement!
(Vote): 1/5
(Vote): 2/5
(Vote): 3/5
(Vote): 4/5
(Vote): 5/5
MANY MANY THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED IN TSL!!!
this is just an obvious thought i had being a smoking, drinking spectator, and knowing that a lot of others might feel the same way.
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haha I guess I agree
found something to complain about ty
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don´t you have a super-trained poker bladder though wth
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Yeah, this would be really good imo.
Had no time to grab another beer once all the games had started.
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On May 18 2008 09:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
haha I guess I agree
found something to complain about ty
$14/hr 36hr/sobre-week i´ll act as multi-purpose PA and even hold your bladder bottle for you
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i don't really care for intermissions... it takes like 20 seconds to pee or grab a beer
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Yea 2minute - 5 minute intermissions would be nice.
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You really don't need it because they are releasing the VODs within a few days anyways and doing 2 to 4 bo5's drags out man. I like the fact we don't have to wait for the players and observers to fix lag/network issues because all the games are done and the commentators don't already know the results it is as if the games were live and fresh.
I do like constructive criticism, so who knows maybe a lot more people agree with you.
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i like the lack of delay also but instantly going from 1 game to commentary to another game to the next for 6-10 games is too much, when you take into consideration that people do need to pee and smoke, that a lot of people drink for these games.
if you look at it practically, it´s minimum 2 hours without a second spare with the sacrifice of 5-15 minutes break. why not?
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or, take this as an opportunity to stop smoking.
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The wasted ~10 minutes per set could instead be used afterwards for studying or sleeping, valuable resources when you are a university student and final exams are but a stones throw away. There's no need to drag it out, watching the last Proleague grand finals made me want to kill myself because of all the pointless breaks.
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This would also be nice for the commentators. Sure, 3-5 minute intermission sounds reasonable.
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My intermission is watching probes gather minerals at the beginning.
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Think of it like going to a movie you really, really want to see. Do you get up to pee when you're about to hit the climax? I could understand a short breakage after each round, but not after each game, but then again there is time to pee and have a smoke because all they do is talk about the next matchup, their expectations and the maps. Plenty of time my man! I took a few breaks and it doesn't feel like I missed a beat at all.
I like Okita's example the best! ;p
First minute of a game is always bleh.
Looks 50-50ish. We need more people to vote 
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Although I don't feel as if an intermission is a necessity, it would be nice to not miss part of the casting. I always do near the beginning of the game or between games. It could also be good for the casters to catch their breath and have a drink of water or something.
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Osaka27149 Posts
There was already almost 5 minutes between games, and the first 2 minutes of a game doesn't matter anyway.
We have a limited amount of footage we can use between games, so what you are asking is a bit more difficult than maybe you realize.
Between series I think this is more feasible, but still, I think there is already enough down time.
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On May 18 2008 11:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
There was already almost 5 minutes between games, and the first 2 minutes of a game doesn't matter anyway.
We have a limited amount of footage we can use between games, so what you are asking is a bit more difficult than maybe you realize.
Between series I think this is more feasible, but still, I think there is already enough down time.
I concur, it's not like your missing anything other than pre-game thoughts and if you miss the first two-three minutes of a game it's not like you've missed anything exciting (other than maybe a 5pool rush)
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On May 18 2008 11:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
There was already almost 5 minutes between games, and the first 2 minutes of a game doesn't matter anyway.
We have a limited amount of footage we can use between games, so what you are asking is a bit more difficult than maybe you realize.
Between series I think this is more feasible, but still, I think there is already enough down time.
I and many other fanatics and else do not consider the first few minutes or intro commentary as downtime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nor do we consider anything else as downtime!!
but yup this is the response this kind of thread requires o/c.
one simple suggestion was playing the ANGST DOWN song (or any song) feature length if you have nothing to fill in the downtime. o/c i understand all viewpoints in this matter since they are quite simple, technicalities aside
as much as you understand the necessity to cater to an audience which may be drinking, smoking, and or otherwise occupied during the tsl (hence the poll, irc chat etc)
honestly i just view intermissions as something you have not yet planned into your tsl schedual, and as something that would be desireable in either future games or future tournies.
thanks for reading, see you at GSI which is very very soon!!!!!
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Well, if they were able to find a way to include the cheerfuls into the intro maybe it would be a lil' longer ;p
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i like the idea. maybe not five minutes, but maybe three minutes between sets, especially as we progress into the later rounds and the casts become shorters with fewer players. it would be cool to includesomething during that break, while maintaining the professional feel of the broadcast.
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The obvious solution here is to use the TSL as an incentive to quit smoking.
Edit: Damn, Wizard beat me. Missed that post when skimming the thread somehow.
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They talk for a bit about nothing in between games so take that time to do what you need, i wouldnt like dead air time...
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I vote no. If you're having trouble with your bladder, drink hard liquor instead (you're not gonna need to pee from drinking 150 ml of anything). Today when I was drinking mixed drinks, I just went to the washroom between games when they're talking about the map and stuff. If you have a friend watching with you (I was lucky enough to convince a non-StarCraft playing friend to watch with me, and he was entertained), they'll tell you if you missed anything. Worst comes to worst and you don't have someone like that, watch the stream with a buddy on MSN or AIM to tell you if you missed anything (obviously that IRC is so chaotic, you'll never find out what happened... TBH I just go full screen and relax like I'm watching TV from a distance away).
As far as smoke breaks go... Just go without having a cigarette for 5 hours, you fiend  Isn't TSL exciting enough to keep your mind distracted from a nicotine addiction? 
I say if you do put in a break for breathers and people to pee, don't make it longer than 2 minutes. 5 minutes is too long, and you're just gonna get non-StarCraft players leaving. Breaks are good for major events when you've got all your buddies around so you can talk to them during the intermission, but the vast majority here are watching this basically alone at their computer. I've got my brother (who hasn't played StarCraft in 4 or 5 years, and doesn't follow proscene) who watches it at the same time and comes in to comment on the last game every set, and apart from today, that's been it.
That reply was probably more in depth than it should have been lol.
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I don't like breaks longer than 2 minutes and Manifesto said it best - the current breaks are enough.
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I hate this idea, I am sitting up late to watch this and I need sleep so breaks would make me lose alot of time. If you are a smoker and can't wait, then you have a problem.
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why don't u put some interesting parts of players reps during those intermissions? e.g. draco vs cloud reps before whitera-draco quarter final
i guess it is not that possible because it require additional work to be done and u guys already have that much to do? but still, what is the reason of not putting past reps?
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i was thinking the same yesterday, when i caught myself running to toilet and back to dont miss anything.
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On May 18 2008 16:51 PsycHOTemplar wrote:I vote no. If you're having trouble with your bladder, drink hard liquor instead (you're not gonna need to pee from drinking 150 ml of anything). Today when I was drinking mixed drinks, I just went to the washroom between games when they're talking about the map and stuff. If you have a friend watching with you (I was lucky enough to convince a non-StarCraft playing friend to watch with me, and he was entertained), they'll tell you if you missed anything. Worst comes to worst and you don't have someone like that, watch the stream with a buddy on MSN or AIM to tell you if you missed anything (obviously that IRC is so chaotic, you'll never find out what happened... TBH I just go full screen and relax like I'm watching TV from a distance away). As far as smoke breaks go... Just go without having a cigarette for 5 hours, you fiend Isn't TSL exciting enough to keep your mind distracted from a nicotine addiction? I say if you do put in a break for breathers and people to pee, don't make it longer than 2 minutes. 5 minutes is too long, and you're just gonna get non-StarCraft players leaving. Breaks are good for major events when you've got all your buddies around so you can talk to them during the intermission, but the vast majority here are watching this basically alone at their computer. I've got my brother (who hasn't played StarCraft in 4 or 5 years, and doesn't follow proscene) who watches it at the same time and comes in to comment on the last game every set, and apart from today, that's been it. That reply was probably more in depth than it should have been lol.
Either that or buy one of em' ol' pee can thingies that the pioneers used to keep under their bed to go pee in. That could work too.
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The first two-three minutes are always worthelss to watch anyways. And if you can't grab a beer/have a smoke/piss in 3 minutes then wtf @ you.
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Personally, I don't give a shit about smokers.
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On May 18 2008 09:36 Gokey wrote:
i don't really care for intermissions... it takes like 20 seconds to pee or grab a beer
Well most of us don't got a bar fridge and a couch toilet
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United States20661 Posts
It's my opinion that intermissions are messing with our viewer counts ;p
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Zurich15327 Posts
I am all for it. You don't even need to discuss stuff, just play music for 5 minutes. I watched the Ro8 together with a friend and we were discussing the previous game well into the next one. Or I had to run to get some food.
Also, the first 2 minutes are important, I don't want to miss a single word from Artosis and Chill, you guys are just too good! Just because the first minutes don't show anything ingame doesn't mean the commentators talking about the player's backgrounds and other stuff isn't worth watching.
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Seriously? Is it that big of a deal...most games are going past 5 minute mark anyways...If you just go after the end of the game you have more than enough time, between the commentators going over the next map specifcations and the early game that has no result on the game really...get over yourself..if you really want to see the first 3 mins of worker splits and mining..LOL...then dl the vods?
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Just go between games. They always do some talking in between, which isn't too important. Or if you don't want to miss that stuff, go after a game starts. You'll be able to pick up right after.
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It's perfect the way it is!! Having problems staying up anyway.. :< the less downtime the better!
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I don't agree - simply because the stream usually finishes at 2/3 in the morning *without* any intermissions.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Any feedback on the 5 minute break we took in the Ro8 Day 5? We actually lost quite a few viewers during that break...
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is awesome32274 Posts
I'm against the breaks. I can usually fetch a drink or something during the probe split or the map stats page or something. The event itself is long enought by itself, so the breaks only make it longer for someone who has to do something after it.
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I don't think it is necessary Chill. I mean the Europeans have to stay up late just to catch it as is. Go back to the old way TT
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oh i loved the break lol XD
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No breaks please. Just push it through, you lose alot of viewers (europeans) by just taking breaks at like 2am, just another reason for ppl to go sleep instead of pushing through..
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Not the best idea but at least a shitbreak pl0x? :-]
Poll: Shitbreak?
(Vote): Yah!
(Vote): Nah!
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I think this is a good idea... I don't think it should be an "intermission" though. I think it should be something like:
- Answering a couple questions from the fans
- Interesting facts about the players involved
- A quick player highlight reel from previous rounds
- Or just get a chance to reflect on the matches so far before immediately jumping into the next game.
Professionally created broadcasts include mini breaks to HYPE up the matches, give the audience a quick breather, or even for advertisements.
GOGO!
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On May 18 2008 11:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
...and the first 2 minutes of a game doesn't matter anyway.
STARTING POSITIONS!
CLONING WORKERS!
PROBE RUSHU!!!!!!!!!!!!
j/k
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i think there should be some down time between serieses for me to order/pick up food because it happens at around dinner time.
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you are like so inconsiderate of the europeans so how about um noooo.
Seriously it isn't needed. NO NEED
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
The remaining broadcasts are only 1 Bo5 each time, so there is certainly no need for any break
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If not for the viewers, I think you should at least give the commentators a break during the broadcast. 
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