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Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
Please leave any feedback or problems you experienced in this thread so we can make future shows better. Thanks a lot | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
Hot_Bid did a great job observing as well <3 | ||
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Semagdnim
United States126 Posts
Imagine the confusion and chaos! | ||
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Samejima
Canada534 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
. Can we get a comedian for a 3rd caster?Overall, it was great as usual. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
Did the cheerfuls crash it again? There was cheerfuls before the crash and none after it went back up. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
On May 18 2008 08:50 Kickstart wrote: Was pretty good show today, as always it was very enjoyable and exciting. At the start the stream died, but was quickly fixed. One thing that I noticed was was that when the picture would change to a player's stats/background information the audio would freeze up for a second; I don't know if that was just me or a universal problem. Yeah, fixing that audio problem is only possible with about $100k of computer and encoding equipment. | ||
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Famehunter
Canada586 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
Looking forward to Nony tomorrow, a little peeved that Draco advanced again (I really don't like his attitude, not practicing to show us his best for this most prestigious of tournaments). GGs, good casting, Artosis and Chill are great, and it's always nice to hear Mani on the stream | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Many thanks for the great work you are doing! | ||
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fragbait
Germany19 Posts
Thanks again. | ||
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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comabreaded
United States2166 Posts
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Kizlyk
Ukraine84 Posts
This time however I had lags every 5 seconds or so, T.T | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
I know I say this after every broadcast but listen to the in-game sounds/music of any OGN or MBC broadcast and then listen to ours. I feel our gamesounds/music is far too weak compared to the commentary. With that said, I think the sound balance was waaay better this time than before. Nice to see the improvements week to week  | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
You guys are truly amazing. Everything about it was amazing. The commentators, game quality, TSL intro...made it look like I'm watching MSL or OSL. Props ^^ and keep up the good work | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
I guess some people were getting confused by the lack of banter at the end of the game eh  ggbot 5000 reporting for duty primary objective type gg boop boop beep | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On May 18 2008 15:23 comabreaded wrote: I wish the in game volume was closer to the level of the caster's volume (like the sound levels in pro games). Right now it is really low. Everything else was butter! i like it when its lower than the casters'; makes it easier to hear them | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
Just my two cents, not really a complaint more of a idea:D What ever you do TSL RULES THE FACES OF MANY! | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On May 18 2008 18:33 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: As a personal preference I think it would make you sound much more professional if you introduced yourselves by name rather than nick. Like Jon "Sp1ralArch1tect" Benn or Jon Benn better known as Sp1ralArch1tec to all of you. Dunno if it really makes a diff but for people watchin who have never really seen SC or been involved online its gotta be weird to here "This is Manifesto7, Artosis and Chill". Just my two cents, not really a complaint more of a idea:D What ever you do TSL RULES THE FACES OF MANY! I agree with you. It will add another drop of professionalism to it all As for the stream, up until the first game between Draco and Ra was finished, it was lagging so hard that it was unwatchable for me. Last week it worked fine. After game 3 though, it started and it worked perfectly until the end. Thank you TeamLiquid!!!<3<3<3 | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
Thank you guys so much, everyone that is working for this to happen, deserves an appreciation thread | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
On May 18 2008 17:48 jwd241224 wrote: Is that a "GG Bot" that types out gg at the end of every replay? Didn't notice him in the earlier rounds. I guess some people were getting confused by the lack of banter at the end of the game eh ggbot 5000 reporting for duty primary objective type gg boop boop beep Nope, that was just me adding a gg at the end. Some people thought it was lacking, so I thought I would try it. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
On May 18 2008 18:33 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: As a personal preference I think it would make you sound much more professional if you introduced yourselves by name rather than nick. Like Jon "Sp1ralArch1tect" Benn or Jon Benn better known as Sp1ralArch1tec to all of you. Dunno if it really makes a diff but for people watchin who have never really seen SC or been involved online its gotta be weird to here "This is Manifesto7, Artosis and Chill". Just my two cents, not really a complaint more of a idea:D What ever you do TSL RULES THE FACES OF MANY! I disagree. I have always hated it when Ive seen my real name attached to my nick. Even if the people watching dont play much bw, they are still gamers and refer to themselves and others by nicks. | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
On May 18 2008 19:45 Manifesto7 wrote: I disagree. I have always hated it when Ive seen my real name attached to my nick. Even if the people watching dont play much bw, they are still gamers and refer to themselves and others by nicks. Hmm i see what your saying and i know most people gonna get who you and chill are and whatnot. Just sounds a bit more professional, like im sure that Garimto introduces him self as name "Garimto" name. Rather than just as Garimto old school protoss bad ass mofo. Like I said this doesnt even really matter just a suggestion! TSL ownz | ||
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gentile
Switzerland594 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
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perisie xx
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Cesar2000
Sweden185 Posts
And don't! have pauses, there's already 2-4 minutes between each match when you're just talking about the match or the next match when people can do their business. | ||
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La.Pr0sPeCt
Canada22 Posts
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p4fn2w
383 Posts
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.MistiK
Netherlands347 Posts
after seeing BRAT_OK win game 1 i knew that he'd take the match because there are only 3 subfolders in "02 - BRAT_OK vs Dreiven" for the rest, the games were great and so were the commentaries. Thanks a lot for your efforts! | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 19 2008 01:49 .MistiK wrote: I can clearly see the additional subfolders in my torrent client (utorrent)..., it even has the .asf files for game 4 and 5.Could you add empty folders if a match only goes up to game 3 next time you upload the VODs? after seeing BRAT_OK win game 1 i knew that he'd take the match because there are only 3 subfolders in "02 - BRAT_OK vs Dreiven" for the rest, the games were great and so were the commentaries. Thanks a lot for your efforts! ![[image loading]](http://i32.tinypic.com/nzh8bs.png) | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Now i really hate Draco. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2747 Posts
Allthough Adding Klazart in the mix would make it all a little more exciting and fun. I love his anologies. VLC works fine, the site never worked for me. Maybe because I dont have the latest WMP? But i'm not gonna put that piece of crap on this little baby. Oh, and you have only blue tile-set maps, from wich 80% is the twilight. That is not cool. edit: On May 18 2008 15:23 comabreaded wrote: I wish the in game volume was closer to the level of the caster's volume (like the sound levels in pro games). Right now it is really low. Everything else was butter! On May 18 2008 18:33 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: As a personal preference I think it would make you sound much more professional if you introduced yourselves by name rather than nick. Like Jon "Sp1ralArch1tect" Benn or Jon Benn better known as Sp1ralArch1tec to all of you. Dunno if it really makes a diff but for people watchin who have never really seen SC or been involved online its gotta be weird to here "This is Manifesto7, Artosis and Chill". Just my two cents, not really a complaint more of a idea:D What ever you do TSL RULES THE FACES OF MANY! | ||
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kiedis
Poland1 Post
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
A good example was Drieven vs Brat, as someone else mentioned Brat was never really behind in any way in game one and all the time it felt like he was on the brink of death when listening to the commentating, while in fact Dreiven was almost put in a all in situation where he choose a big army with weak eco and he killed his own army walking into a qwazillion tanks and then got slowly pushed back into GG. I'm a happy camper, I love the TSL and I love the commentating, but since you are asking for some feedback, I guess what I'm trying to forward here is that (even though I'm sure this comes with experience) the commentators should perhaps consider diffrent wordmixes to not get too repetative and to keep the audience awake even more. The tech difficulties was np, last nights death was the one and only early on and then it was just great throughout *thumbs up!* | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
so far i think it's a big improvement from day 1!!! lovin it ! and also the level of play is more refined in ro8 so its more interesting to watch too | ||
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sutureself
United States192 Posts
Last weekend I downloaded the VODs and there were 0 problems with that. As far as the commentary, I am loving it. Chill/Artosis are working really well together and I think 2 commentators are(is?) the right number, no one steps on anyone else's toes, which happened a few times with 3 commentators last weekend. You guys crack me up. + Show Spoiler + For example, the extended discussion of Dreiven's lack of pre-game BBQ had me rolling. Just can't say enough about it. I am showing this to several of my friends who have never been interested in StarCraft and they are asking me to give them a copy. Easily available english commentary allows me to let Artosis/Chill explain why it is such a great game much better than I ever could. | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On May 19 2008 01:57 Carnac wrote: I can clearly see the additional subfolders in my torrent client (utorrent)..., it even has the .asf files for game 4 and 5. the 0 bytes for the files for game 4 and 5 gives it away anyway | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
Could we please stop calling dt harass the Bisu build? It isnt his build he just beat savior with it, you can find vods and reps of ra, reach, and tons of other old school toss using that buildin PvZ. yeah he made it popular again and used it to adapt to the savior style macro, it just really irks me to hear "Bisu Build" for some reason. Anyway this in no way put a damper on the TSL GREAT JOB! | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 19 2008 07:28 useLess wrote: the 0 bytes for the files for game 4 and 5 gives it away anyway Only if you let it. You can deactivate the popup to select individual files and the files tab in the general program overview is not seletced by default. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
That really is the best adjective I have for it: I feel like I'm watching OGN except that I actually understand what's being said.At first I thought it was a drawback that the games weren't actually live. But now I think I may actually prefer the way things are being done now: the commentators don't know how many games there are, who won, or how far the replay has progressed (I'm assuming...?) and so they commentate everything as if it's live, but with the added benefits of being able to see what people are upgrading, etc. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
On May 19 2008 08:54 Bill307 wrote: ... the commentators don't know how many games there are, who won, or how far the replay has progressed (I'm assuming...?) ... Check out this blog here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71117 | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
hot_bid was really on top of things while obsing artosis + chill combo = godly. seriously, both of these guys were really great today, and i like having two. with 3, one person usually doesnt talk as much, and the others would usually try to prompt the others, moreover than needed also, im listening to the interview with nony right now. more of these! these are great. | ||
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frozenclaw
Canada409 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
Chill: That probe will be dancing in heaven now, as it gets taken out by zerglings Artosis: First of all, probes don't go to heaven, because they are robots. Great work guys, keep it up! | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
You know when something dramatic is happening when chill starts yelling, more of that please. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
I just had one annoyance -- do you guys watch the same screen we're watching? Commentators miss so many things that we as viewers can see through the stream. When I see some reaver drop going on but commentators miss it, I'm like REAVAA REAVAA! Also, the background music is always Terran Should be one of the races being played. Thanks for everything though. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 19 2008 09:48 StRyKeR wrote: Hey, great job guys. I think it's wonderful to have you guys casting. Really awesome. I just had one annoyance -- do you guys watch the same screen we're watching? Commentators miss so many things that we as viewers can see through the stream. When I see some reaver drop going on but commentators miss it, I'm like REAVAA REAVAA! No, they do not watch the same screen. Hot_Bid (Kennigit last week) is the game/replay/video host, his view is the one that is being used for the stream. The casters can move around as they want. Personally I think this actually adds to the experience, between the casters and the video guy you can be sure that nothing gets missed | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On May 19 2008 08:58 Manifesto7 wrote: Check out this blog here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71117 Wow, I've always wanted something like this! Thank you Mani for paying me a visit under my rock.  | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
On May 19 2008 12:11 Loophole wrote: Haha, I completely agree. Artosis is the most knowledgeable sc commentator I've ever heard, but this is one thing he can improve on. Still, it is bearable because of the interesting insight he always provides.I love the commentary, but I DO have one complaint. This MAY not be something that CAN be fixed, but I HAVE noticed that Artosis DOES put a somewhat annoying emphasis on certain transitive verbs. He DOES have a lot of interesting things to say, but the emphasis for no reason CAN get annoying sometimes. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
I've been watching the Small Vods lately (I've been busy so I didn't watch the whole thing and whatnot) but... Is it possible to have the Starcraft:bw music and the Commentary playing together? I know it's a small detail but I like how there is the Brood War music when the Korean commentators are talking. It adds to the atmosphere imo. Anyway, thanks. | ||
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On May 19 2008 12:14 Blind wrote: Haha, I completely agree. Artosis is the most knowledgeable sc commentator I've ever heard, but this is one thing he can improve on. Still, it is bearable because of the interesting insight he always provides. Agreed. I have to say though, Chill is my favorite. He always has great information about strategy, and seems to have insight from the players about the maps. It's hard to explain what it is about the way he commentates that makes it great though. His degree of excitement always seems to match exactly what's going on in the game, and he always seems interested in the same things I am about what's going on. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
On May 19 2008 12:16 SayaSP wrote: I must be insensitive to that stressing thing, interesting. Same here, I never noticed it | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On May 18 2008 08:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: it was so perfect, im bored not having anything to complain about | ||
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
Now I have to wait a whole week:D Semifinals will be so good I anticipate, good that brat is still with us, to clear some up in this protoss madness ! | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:02 Carnac wrote: No, they do not watch the same screen. Hot_Bid (Kennigit last week) is the game/replay/video host, his view is the one that is being used for the stream. The casters can move around as they want. Personally I think this actually adds to the experience, between the casters and the video guy you can be sure that nothing gets missed I also have noticed it and also think that this just add to experience. All what we see is just a small part of the match, and it's pretty nice to here about what's going on in some other places, this way we get much more informations. | ||
Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 19 2008 06:57 alffla wrote: WHO'S DOING THE OBSERVING NOW LOL its so much better My only comment is that the in-game sounds should be a bit louder. Everything else is great. The casters are more enthusiastic now too, compared to earlier casts, while insight/analysis is excellent as always. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Chill needs to reduce on the 'uuhs'. | ||
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
It's always weird if you seem to know more than the commentators because Hot_Bid noticed something they didn't. Edit: Because there are so many people complaining that the in-game sounds are too low... I just wanted to say that I like it that way. ^^ Great cast btw! | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
WHO'S DOING THE OBSERVING NOW LOL its so much better I would tend to disagree. Watching TSL was great fun again, but when you hear the commentators yelling "OMG! NICE STORMS, NICE STORMS!" and the screen is focused on the back of a players army which is doing the least, it really gets a bit frustrating. I think Kennigit was at least doing the battles a little better than Hot_Bid. Of course, Kennigit has had a lot more practice, and both have done a great job regardless Just little things it'd be nice to see Hot_Bid work on if he's doing the video cast again next week. | ||
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SkatesSC
United States191 Posts
On May 20 2008 02:30 PsycHOTemplar wrote: I would tend to disagree. Watching TSL was great fun again, but when you hear the commentators yelling "OMG! NICE STORMS, NICE STORMS!" and the screen is focused on the back of a players army which is doing the least, it really gets a bit frustrating. I think Kennigit was at least doing the battles a little better than Hot_Bid. Of course, Kennigit has had a lot more practice, and both have done a great job regardless Just little things it'd be nice to see Hot_Bid work on if he's doing the video cast again next week.Hot bid also picked up on a few things the casters were missing, like upgrades, new buildings, etc. I think Hot_Bid did a great job obsing. Chill and Artosis rock as well, great job overall. No lag at all, no crashes except that one at the start. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
Triple commentary, badass final set. I bet tasteless might consider. The only issue could be lag because Tasteless is in Korea and Klazart in Europe somewhere (????). But that would still be the best final commentary evarr | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On May 20 2008 04:08 JSkates wrote: Hot bid also picked up on a few things the casters were missing, like upgrades, new buildings, etc. I think Hot_Bid did a great job obsing. Chill and Artosis rock as well, great job overall. No lag at all, no crashes except that one at the start. Agreed. I'm really enjoying it. It was just the occational (but important) battle/drop that Kennegit missed that was a little annoying. It was as if he wasn't checking out the minimap very often. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Just a minor complaint: Chill should reduce on the "tons of" a little, there were tons of tons in his commentary edit: I really liked the Artosis' interview of Nony | ||
thedeadhaji
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Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On May 20 2008 04:40 Carnac wrote: Tasteless wanted money to commentate (lol). Didn't TL already pay him? I thought GSI wouldn't let him because GSI is basically competition for TSL and the other way around. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
however if it's possible to do something to ensure a smoother stream, please do. I practically lost 3 games yesterday due to stream dying on me after 5 seconds and I had to keep restarting to get a new round of 5 seconds till it dies again T_T | ||
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Cesar2000
Sweden185 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 20 2008 05:43 thedeadhaji wrote: just a minor thing, but the word "kid" probably should be used sparingly at most ^^ Artosis just wouldn't be the same without a little BM here and there. :p | ||
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JOYRIDE
United States46 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
On May 20 2008 04:40 Carnac wrote: Tasteless wanted money to commentate (lol) and NO we are certainly not gonna get someone like Klazart. Wtf are you even thinking. We want people with insight on the game, that's why Chill/Artosis work so well. True, which is why Klaz would be balanced out by someone "with more insight." I really believe that if the TSL would like some additional viewership someone like Klaz would not be a bad idea. Chill/Artosis rule though, so it doesn't matter either way for me. And yeah bummer about Tasteless. Would be nice if he did the finals for free, but it's his job, so I understand completely. | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
On May 20 2008 15:13 Vasoline73 wrote: True, which is why Klaz would be balanced out by someone "with more insight." I really believe that if the TSL would like some additional viewership someone like Klaz would not be a bad idea. Chill/Artosis rule though, so it doesn't matter either way for me. And yeah bummer about Tasteless. Would be nice if he did the finals for free, but it's his job, so I understand completely. Artosis/Chill is the best commentating team I've ever heard by far. I'd rather have 2 amazing casters with good insight than a handful of commentators stumbling over eachother with less insightful comments. | ||
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