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Braavos36379 Posts
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tiffany
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On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote: Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn. In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway." as far as peer-reviewed journal articles go, it has more to do with precedence and standards than whatever you just said. it is understood that the last listed author is the primary investigator, or basically the professor or research group head that is in charge. on the other hand, the first listed author is actually the primary author, who has written the bulk of the paper or contributed the most to the work. so i guess if by "importance" you meant everything i just said, then ok. and as far as Mondragon's overstated humility, i think one reason may be the language barrier; he genuinely wants to be modest, but does not know how to express himself in the most fashionable manner with all the accepted nuances of english writing | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote: Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn. Really? I thought looking down on others or claiming you're #1 is the best way to toot your horn. On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote: In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway." Actually the last author is usually the PI who just puts his name on everything that comes out of his lab. Authors are usually written in order of contribution to the research, not by importance. On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote: In any case, I'd rather read interviews like IdrA's than the old boring: "Everyone's good." "Don't know who will win." "Tough to predict." "If they made it to this round, they must deserve it." It's the FBH effect. When you BM, it provides a bit of fun, but (almost) everyone hates you for it after. | ||
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omnigol
United States166 Posts
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote: I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T Are you throwing out insults and trying to cover it up as if you care about idras well being with the psychology angle? More balls next time plz. | ||
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isbunk
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
As for the scientific journals, here's a quote I just found by Googling "last author" journal, and then I'll drop it, since it was only an example: Following informal practices in the biomedical sciences, the last author often gets as much credit as the first author, because he or she is assumed to be the driving force, both intellectually and financially, behind the research. -PLoS | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On May 07 2008 07:33 omnigol wrote: Are you throwing out insults and trying to cover it up as if you care about idras well being with the psychology angle? More balls next time plz. No actually I was trying to find a decent reason behind his behaviour. Couldn't think of anything else seriously. | ||
Daigomi
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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b(O.o)p
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On May 07 2008 07:46 qrs wrote: yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.) As for the scientific journals, here's a quote I just found by Googling "last author" journal, and then I'll drop it, since it was only an example: exactly. | ||
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b(O.o)p
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
On May 07 2008 07:46 qrs wrote: yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.) Ok, fair enough. I think he does know that he is a talented player and its not just "luck" that is enabling him to beat other top players -- but #1, I do not think hes specifically saying that just because hes hoping people will point out how modest he is/make himself look good. It has been his policy in every interview, written or spoken (he has a couple on youtube with WCG guys), to be very good mannered and I find it hard to believe its all part of a secret craving for attention. And #2, he has the ability to be blunt as well, for example saying that Gosia simply had to make a huge micro error for him to win, basically laying out the truth, but also going on to say that Gosia is very skilled and should go far in the tournament, so still very mannered. Its also worth noting that despite it seeming obvious that the best way to show your skill and win support is to be humble and show it on the game and not in interviews, some people still insult others, predict their own victories, and give no thought to sportsmanship. So giving Mondi a bit of acknowledgement for never going to that level -- for whatever reason, or however good it makes him look -- shouldnt be considered a bad thing. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Blue
Norway359 Posts
mysterious guy : ) | ||
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
And all the comments afterwards, let it go man... what do you expect after that interview, lol. So hard supporting him as a progamer. I wanna like idra, but I just see a sad person. There's more to beeing a pro, than just having signed a contract.......... | ||
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Braavos36379 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
the interview made me lol I don't see what all the hate is about. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
I like comments like these because he immediately has to put up or shut up (though he could do neither I suppose), and the matches become more exciting because he's put his balls on the line. Idra fighting!.. but White-Ra winning, Idra has Korea now. | ||
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KoaLa
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