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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 06 2008 20:37 GMT
#101
Interviews are complete now, all of them are up.
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 06 2008 22:03 GMT
#102
On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 04:17 Gandalf wrote:
It would be easier to take Idra's interviews as jokes if there wasn't so much history and evidence of his saying similar things in all seriousness after losing games.

On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is



comments like this especially just make me think Idra is mad that Mondragon posted those super rude comments Idra made after losing to paranoid

Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn. In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway."

as far as peer-reviewed journal articles go, it has more to do with precedence and standards than whatever you just said. it is understood that the last listed author is the primary investigator, or basically the professor or research group head that is in charge. on the other hand, the first listed author is actually the primary author, who has written the bulk of the paper or contributed the most to the work. so i guess if by "importance" you meant everything i just said, then ok.

and as far as Mondragon's overstated humility, i think one reason may be the language barrier; he genuinely wants to be modest, but does not know how to express himself in the most fashionable manner with all the accepted nuances of english writing
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 06 2008 22:28 GMT
#103
On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 04:17 Gandalf wrote:
It would be easier to take Idra's interviews as jokes if there wasn't so much history and evidence of his saying similar things in all seriousness after losing games.

On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is



comments like this especially just make me think Idra is mad that Mondragon posted those super rude comments Idra made after losing to paranoid

Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn.

Really? I thought looking down on others or claiming you're #1 is the best way to toot your horn.

On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway."

Actually the last author is usually the PI who just puts his name on everything that comes out of his lab. Authors are usually written in order of contribution to the research, not by importance.

On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
In any case, I'd rather read interviews like IdrA's than the old boring:
"Everyone's good."
"Don't know who will win."
"Tough to predict."
"If they made it to this round, they must deserve it."

It's the FBH effect. When you BM, it provides a bit of fun, but (almost) everyone hates you for it after.
omnigol
Profile Joined April 2008
United States166 Posts
May 06 2008 22:33 GMT
#104
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T


Are you throwing out insults and trying to cover it up as if you care about idras well being with the psychology angle? More balls next time plz.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 06 2008 22:39 GMT
#105
retje fighting!! Ro8 go!
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isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
May 06 2008 22:39 GMT
#106
DREIVEN AND HAPYPRO TRALALALALALALLA!!!111q11
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
May 06 2008 22:46 GMT
#107
yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.)

As for the scientific journals, here's a quote I just found by Googling "last author" journal, and then I'll drop it, since it was only an example:
Following informal practices in the biomedical sciences, the last author often gets as much credit as the first author, because he or she is assumed to be the driving force, both intellectually and financially, behind the research. -PLoS
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
May 06 2008 22:56 GMT
#108
On May 07 2008 07:33 omnigol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T


Are you throwing out insults and trying to cover it up as if you care about idras well being with the psychology angle? More balls next time plz.

No actually I was trying to find a decent reason behind his behaviour. Couldn't think of anything else seriously.
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
May 06 2008 22:59 GMT
#109
Haha, some nice interviews. I really liked the Dreiven interview. Dreiven fighting!
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kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
May 06 2008 23:24 GMT
#110
IM YOUR FAN IEFNAIJ!!
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
May 06 2008 23:30 GMT
#111
On May 07 2008 07:46 qrs wrote:
yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.)

As for the scientific journals, here's a quote I just found by Googling "last author" journal, and then I'll drop it, since it was only an example:
Show nested quote +
Following informal practices in the biomedical sciences, the last author often gets as much credit as the first author, because he or she is assumed to be the driving force, both intellectually and financially, behind the research. -PLoS


exactly.
the man known for his ANACONDA :)
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
May 06 2008 23:36 GMT
#112
btw, thx for the missing interviews - great job!
the man known for his ANACONDA :)
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:04:07
May 07 2008 00:02 GMT
#113
On May 07 2008 07:46 qrs wrote:
yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.)



Ok, fair enough. I think he does know that he is a talented player and its not just "luck" that is enabling him to beat other top players -- but #1, I do not think hes specifically saying that just because hes hoping people will point out how modest he is/make himself look good. It has been his policy in every interview, written or spoken (he has a couple on youtube with WCG guys), to be very good mannered and I find it hard to believe its all part of a secret craving for attention. And #2, he has the ability to be blunt as well, for example saying that Gosia simply had to make a huge micro error for him to win, basically laying out the truth, but also going on to say that Gosia is very skilled and should go far in the tournament, so still very mannered.

Its also worth noting that despite it seeming obvious that the best way to show your skill and win support is to be humble and show it on the game and not in interviews, some people still insult others, predict their own victories, and give no thought to sportsmanship. So giving Mondi a bit of acknowledgement for never going to that level -- for whatever reason, or however good it makes him look -- shouldnt be considered a bad thing.

Writerman what
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 07 2008 00:20 GMT
#114
When Mondragon acts like it's all luck, that's really a way of tooting his horn. It may sound humble, but anyone who knows better can read between the lines.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Blue
Profile Joined July 2004
Norway359 Posts
May 07 2008 00:33 GMT
#115
brats interview so short -_-
mysterious guy : )
I must return to the time when I played with my own style, and when I determined the victory through strategies. And the strategies are a product of practicing more than anyone else. The key to success is to persevere through practice. Lim Yo-hwan
Jolle
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway185 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:43:47
May 07 2008 00:39 GMT
#116
I wan to like idra, but geez, what's up with beeing inmature and bm?
And all the comments afterwards, let it go man... what do you expect after that interview, lol.
So hard supporting him as a progamer. I wanna like idra, but I just see a sad person.

There's more to beeing a pro, than just having signed a contract..........
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 07 2008 01:03 GMT
#117
I think Mondragon knows exactly how good he is and what his chances are, he just chooses not to say anything controversial.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
May 07 2008 01:03 GMT
#118
gogogogo idra

the interview made me lol

I don't see what all the hate is about.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 01:35 GMT
#119
Oh man, sure Idra was BM to a continent of people (though he says he just means "gg.net-esque Europeans), but it's all in the spirit of competition! Unless he's insulting their family name or something, it just adds to the desire for Europeans to crush him. I'm sure he'll have the skill to back up his claims, but now that he's gone and said this, imagine if White-Ra beats him in the first round.

I like comments like these because he immediately has to put up or shut up (though he could do neither I suppose), and the matches become more exciting because he's put his balls on the line.

Idra fighting!.. but White-Ra winning, Idra has Korea now.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
KoaLa
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada6 Posts
May 07 2008 02:54 GMT
#120
JF I'M UR BIGGEST FAN!@#!@#!@$$%$^%$&%*^&*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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