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On May 08 2009 21:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Voted Reach, just barely over Nal_ra. Some of the comparisons are really apt, like Reach being the Oov for protoss and Ra being the Boxer (which is funny considering when they were both around), but I consider Oov more, overall, influential to how the game is currently played, and if Reach is his equivalent for protoss, then he barely edges out Ra.
edit; blegh my ktf sign is probably gonna make this look more biased than I wanted it to.
For the record, Ra is *definitely* over Bisu(or should be). Bisu build being over what Ra and Reach did is like saying the Flash timing build is over Oov and Boxer, and that's just inane.
Yeah this is exactly what I was thinking.
On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before.
This has got to be one of my favourite posts :D
And btw what is Anytime known for besides being the God of Death?
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yesterday=Nal_rA
today=Bisu
Reach shouldn't even be in this poll imho...
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United States20667 Posts
On May 08 2009 21:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Voted Reach, just barely over Nal_ra. Some of the comparisons are really apt, like Reach being the Oov for protoss and Ra being the Boxer (which is funny considering when they were both around), but I consider Oov more, overall, influential to how the game is currently played, and if Reach is his equivalent for protoss, then he barely edges out Ra.
edit; blegh my ktf sign is probably gonna make this look more biased than I wanted it to.
For the record, Ra is *definitely* over Bisu(or should be). Bisu build being over what Ra and Reach did is like saying the Flash timing build is over Oov and Boxer, and that's just inane.
The point about anti-carrier is very astute, actually. Flash's goliath + upgrades build had an impact on TvP akin to Bisu's sair/dt build in ZvP, and they both won StarLeagues against the best in the matchup [Stork, sAviOr] using it.
edit: jgad's physics comparison is quite amusing :D
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i'm big fan of bisu, but wtf?
Nal_rA should win the poll without any questions...
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seems like everyone who knows wut they are talking about votes nal_ra over bisu
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On May 09 2009 10:44 BeaTeR wrote:
i'm big fan of bisu, but wtf?
Nal_rA should win the poll without any questions...
qft
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i voted stork for no reason
But rA was definitely the one who advanced protoss to a new level. The protoss players after him seemed to build off what he "invented."
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On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before.
You missed Newton, that guy basically created Physics and Calculus, he did more than Einstein.
If Protoss was Mathematics, Nal_rA would be Euler.
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Nal_rA definitely. sure bisu can prolly pwn rA but rA was the protoss equivalent of boxer. he delivers entertaining games.
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On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before.
A++ though im surprised not to see maxwell
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On May 09 2009 11:06 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before. You missed Newton, that guy basically created Physics and Calculus, he did more than Einstein. If Protoss was Mathematics, Nal_rA would be Euler.
einstein arguably did just as much, for one, he found one of the extremes at which newtonian physics breaks down. his work on GR with tensor fields / differential geometry was basically the biggest application of that new math too.
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I voted Much.
Why isn't he on the poll when he has done so much?
Come on TL, why muchst you do this to me?
If you added him to the poll I would be muchos happy.
Thanks very much.
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Bisu easy... but with nal_ra second place
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Every zerg would be please if forge fast expand was never invented...
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so basically everyone that knows even one shit about starcraft voted nal_ra, and then all the clueless newbies voted bisu
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Nal_rA no questions asked.
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On May 09 2009 13:15 inertinept wrote:
so basically everyone that knows even one shit about starcraft voted nal_ra, and then all the clueless newbies voted bisu
This, its just the mindless fanboys who have only been around for a year maybe are diluting the proper results. Also shouldnt  Grrrr... be on this poll?
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On May 09 2009 11:06 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before. You missed Newton, that guy basically created Physics and Calculus, he did more than Einstein. If Protoss was Mathematics, Nal_rA would be Euler.
Newton = Grrr 
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Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On May 08 2009 23:25 GinNtoniC wrote:
I'd give you credit for the most influental player on modern pvz. that's it.
For the most influental player on the Protoss race as a whole throughout SC history, I have to stick with rA.
On May 08 2009 23:32 SilverSkyLark wrote:
I have a question then (I hope I won't be seen as a troll or something).
When Ra was using the FE, and everyone was 2 gating, did that downplay nal_rA's contribution for the Protoss race? Was the fact that he was just plain better (since the others didn't quite see the potential in FE) that the other Protoss players during his prime, pull him down?
What if during nal_rA's prime, people started copying his Forge FE, does that make him better then? Because what I understand from the second paragraph is that Bisu got your vote because he managed to create something that was versatile, and therefore, influenced the modern PvZ
Uhm you can opt not to answer this because GinNtonic included the "modern PvZ" part in the thing.
To answer both of you in the same breath...
Ra's FE builds were not the same as Bisu's by any stretch. If they were, every Protoss would have started using them. Ra was creative in that he was thinking outside the box and trying to create builds which were unique, but to be honest, he just didn't have the success rate with it that would encourage other Protoss users to use the same builds. Yes, Ra would FE, but he would lose a good portion of the time with it too. There wasn't the same follow-up or flexibility as the modern day Bisu build. So it's not really an issue of "Ra did it first, Bisu popularized it" -> Ra never did the same build. Obviously if he did, we wouldn't be debating this.
To the point of modern PvZ vs traditional (2+ years ago) PvZ, yes, modern Protoss is dominated by Bisu's actions. But traditional PvZ has not nearly the same amount of influence from Ra. Yes, again, Ra was creative/ahead of his time, but he did not influence his race as a whole like Bisu did. You wouldn't suddenly see every Protoss copying something Ra did. You DID see that with Bisu. That's influence.
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Bisu. And I've also been around for a while.
There is a big difference between Creativity and Influential. Yes, Nal_rA was creative, but he was playing in an era where there was no optimal strategies yet.
What Nal_rA did was cute and stuff, but Bisu has more influence on the race.
Apart from the PvZ revolution, look at how most players are now playing harass based games, even in PvT. Nal_rA did some nice strategies, but did not change the way Protoss players play as whole, as much as Bisu.
Bisu changed game fundamentals.
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