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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
May 09 2009 04:42 GMT
#181
On May 09 2009 10:48 ragnasaur wrote:
seems like everyone who knows wut they are talking about votes nal_ra over bisu


Right. So virtually every staff member in this thread has no clue what their talking about, right?

Get the fuck out with such a useless post.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 09 2009 04:43 GMT
#182
On May 09 2009 13:33 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 13:15 inertinept wrote:
so basically everyone that knows even one shit about starcraft voted nal_ra, and then all the clueless newbies voted bisu


This, its just the mindless fanboys who have only been around for a year maybe are diluting the proper results.


On May 09 2009 10:48 ragnasaur wrote:
seems like everyone who knows wut they are talking about votes nal_ra over bisu



You're all so cool and knowledgeable.


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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 09 2009 04:54 GMT
#183
wtf where is GRRR?????
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 09 2009 05:04 GMT
#184
On May 08 2009 13:45 Plexa wrote:
I predict Bisu is going to win this poll, but Nal_ra really should imo

Gotta agree with Plexa here. Yeah, bisu did a lot to revolutionize PvZ, however I would say its similar to how reach changed PvT to macro based when he encountered Oov? Both happened against bonjwa's

Garimto was good and anytime and Stork just helped bring about the macro based Protoss play that we see todayy, Bisu refined that play and Nal_rA kind of started it all if I remember right?

If what I said is wrong, just ignore it and pretend I said Nal_rA arb rush game = SICK.
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
May 09 2009 05:50 GMT
#185
bisu cause of his love affair with savior
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
May 09 2009 06:00 GMT
#186
ugh can i take my vote off from bisu and put it on nal_ra?
i gotta agree from what i read from peoples comment, nal_ra was the one who started all of this revolution and bisu is the one continuing nal_ra's work since he doesnt play anymore.
if you watch games of nal_ra and bisu you will see a big difference cuz nal_ra is like the protoss version of boxer, doing all creative plays and showing great games. its like you just go watch nal_ra play because his a fun player to watch just like boxer and it doesnt matter whoever wins because it was a fun match up to watch. nal_ra shows great games and after nal_ra era was over someone had to take over and bisu took over i guess
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
May 09 2009 06:12 GMT
#187
MODS

Is there anyway you can sort Join date / voted for?

I still remember watching nal_ra play and thinking "Oh my god that has never been done before".
I think bisu and stork have pushed protoss play beyond its farthest dreams but I believe that once nal_ra entered the scene protoss play changed dramatically (On battle.net and the pro scene)
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
May 09 2009 06:48 GMT
#188
I would pick nal_ra but since I started watching progamer after his dominant time I will have to pick bisu. Even though I know nal_ra deserves it. LOLCAT!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
May 09 2009 07:02 GMT
#189
On May 09 2009 15:12 AttackZerg wrote:
MODS

Is there anyway you can sort Join date / voted for?

I still remember watching nal_ra play and thinking "Oh my god that has never been done before".
I think bisu and stork have pushed protoss play beyond its farthest dreams but I believe that once nal_ra entered the scene protoss play changed dramatically (On battle.net and the pro scene)


that's a great way to start a flame/seniority war, not that it would happen, but.

a better question to ask is how many here that voted could honestly say they've loyally followed starcraft, say, pre-Savior era? I for one did not vote on this poll because I didn't until then, and I'm wondering how many Bisu votes come from those who couldn't restrain themselves. Longtime followers of the starcraft scene do seem a bit quick to count bisu out. He is the name of Protoss now for sure. It's actually interesting that none of this is as concrete as the top contributors to Terran play over the years, or Zerg play for that matter.
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
May 09 2009 07:13 GMT
#190
I voted for reach because he invented the zealot. Blizzard modeled the unit after him.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
May 09 2009 08:06 GMT
#191
Voted (P)Bisu, biased because I'm post-Ra, though his highlight vids are amazing.
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Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
May 09 2009 08:46 GMT
#192
On May 08 2009 13:45 Plexa wrote:
I predict Bisu is going to win this poll, but Nal_ra really should imo

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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3323 Posts
May 09 2009 09:11 GMT
#193
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 09 2009 09:15 GMT
#194
the question is how influential bisu can be if hes around for such a 'short' time compared to the others..

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herotempler
Profile Joined May 2009
American Samoa13 Posts
May 09 2009 09:17 GMT
#195
Bisu 3:0 sAviOr

I think nobody would forget it
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
May 09 2009 09:38 GMT
#196
On May 09 2009 11:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
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On May 09 2009 11:06 SilverSkyLark wrote:
On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before.

You missed Newton, that guy basically created Physics and Calculus, he did more than Einstein.

If Protoss was Mathematics, Nal_rA would be Euler.

einstein arguably did just as much, for one, he found one of the extremes at which newtonian physics breaks down. his work on GR with tensor fields / differential geometry was basically the biggest application of that new math too.

"I have stood on the shoulders of giants."

Apparently, that quote applies not only on mathematics, but also StarCraft.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
May 09 2009 10:26 GMT
#197
imma huge Bisu fan.... but Ra is the man.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 09 2009 11:18 GMT
#198
On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote:
If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before.

Oh my god, this is the best analogy for protoss players ever hahaha

Also Bisu is probably Niels Bohr
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 11:40:43
May 09 2009 11:40 GMT
#199
On May 09 2009 20:18 Plexa wrote:
Also Bisu is probably Niels Bohr


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danieldrsa
Profile Joined June 2008
Brazil522 Posts
May 09 2009 13:47 GMT
#200
On May 09 2009 13:34 EvilTeletubby wrote:
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On May 08 2009 23:25 GinNtoniC wrote:
I'd give you credit for the most influental player on modern pvz. that's it.
For the most influental player on the Protoss race as a whole throughout SC history, I have to stick with rA.


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On May 08 2009 23:32 SilverSkyLark wrote:
I have a question then (I hope I won't be seen as a troll or something).
When Ra was using the FE, and everyone was 2 gating, did that downplay nal_rA's contribution for the Protoss race? Was the fact that he was just plain better (since the others didn't quite see the potential in FE) that the other Protoss players during his prime, pull him down?

What if during nal_rA's prime, people started copying his Forge FE, does that make him better then? Because what I understand from the second paragraph is that Bisu got your vote because he managed to create something that was versatile, and therefore, influenced the modern PvZ

Uhm you can opt not to answer this because GinNtonic included the "modern PvZ" part in the thing.


To answer both of you in the same breath...

Ra's FE builds were not the same as Bisu's by any stretch. If they were, every Protoss would have started using them. Ra was creative in that he was thinking outside the box and trying to create builds which were unique, but to be honest, he just didn't have the success rate with it that would encourage other Protoss users to use the same builds. Yes, Ra would FE, but he would lose a good portion of the time with it too. There wasn't the same follow-up or flexibility as the modern day Bisu build. So it's not really an issue of "Ra did it first, Bisu popularized it" -> Ra never did the same build. Obviously if he did, we wouldn't be debating this.

To the point of modern PvZ vs traditional (2+ years ago) PvZ, yes, modern Protoss is dominated by Bisu's actions. But traditional PvZ has not nearly the same amount of influence from Ra. Yes, again, Ra was creative/ahead of his time, but he did not influence his race as a whole like Bisu did. You wouldn't suddenly see every Protoss copying something Ra did. You DID see that with Bisu. That's influence.


Im in love with your posts :D

I think the point is: there is so much people saying "this is bisu build", when it is not really one, that it created somekind of "hate" for it use. Bisu build is so much "godfied" that its attacked just for that

Daezang is the creator of Bisu Build as much as Anytime/Grr/Reach are the creators of Nal_Ra strats.
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