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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On May 09 2009 10:48 ragnasaur wrote: seems like everyone who knows wut they are talking about votes nal_ra over bisu Right. So virtually every staff member in this thread has no clue what their talking about, right? Get the fuck out with such a useless post. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 09 2009 13:33 Kuja900 wrote: This, its just the mindless fanboys who have only been around for a year maybe are diluting the proper results. On May 09 2009 10:48 ragnasaur wrote: seems like everyone who knows wut they are talking about votes nal_ra over bisu You're all so cool and knowledgeable.  | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On May 08 2009 13:45 Plexa wrote: I predict Bisu is going to win this poll, but Nal_ra really should imo  Gotta agree with Plexa here. Yeah, bisu did a lot to revolutionize PvZ, however I would say its similar to how reach changed PvT to macro based when he encountered Oov? Both happened against bonjwa's Garimto was good and anytime and Stork just helped bring about the macro based Protoss play that we see todayy, Bisu refined that play and Nal_rA kind of started it all if I remember right? If what I said is wrong, just ignore it and pretend I said Nal_rA arb rush game = SICK. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
i gotta agree from what i read from peoples comment, nal_ra was the one who started all of this revolution and bisu is the one continuing nal_ra's work since he doesnt play anymore. if you watch games of nal_ra and bisu you will see a big difference cuz nal_ra is like the protoss version of boxer, doing all creative plays and showing great games. its like you just go watch nal_ra play because his a fun player to watch just like boxer and it doesnt matter whoever wins because it was a fun match up to watch. nal_ra shows great games and after nal_ra era was over someone had to take over and bisu took over i guess | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
Is there anyway you can sort Join date / voted for? I still remember watching nal_ra play and thinking "Oh my god that has never been done before". I think bisu and stork have pushed protoss play beyond its farthest dreams but I believe that once nal_ra entered the scene protoss play changed dramatically (On battle.net and the pro scene) | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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United States1401 Posts
On May 09 2009 15:12 AttackZerg wrote: MODS Is there anyway you can sort Join date / voted for? I still remember watching nal_ra play and thinking "Oh my god that has never been done before". I think bisu and stork have pushed protoss play beyond its farthest dreams but I believe that once nal_ra entered the scene protoss play changed dramatically (On battle.net and the pro scene) that's a great way to start a flame/seniority war, not that it would happen, but. a better question to ask is how many here that voted could honestly say they've loyally followed starcraft, say, pre-Savior era? I for one did not vote on this poll because I didn't until then, and I'm wondering how many Bisu votes come from those who couldn't restrain themselves. Longtime followers of the starcraft scene do seem a bit quick to count bisu out. He is the name of Protoss now for sure. It's actually interesting that none of this is as concrete as the top contributors to Terran play over the years, or Zerg play for that matter. | ||
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integral
United States3156 Posts
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
 Bisu, biased because I'm post-Ra, though his highlight vids are amazing. | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On May 08 2009 13:45 Plexa wrote: I predict Bisu is going to win this poll, but Nal_ra really should imo this | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3341 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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herotempler
American Samoa13 Posts
I think nobody would forget it | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On May 09 2009 11:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: einstein arguably did just as much, for one, he found one of the extremes at which newtonian physics breaks down. his work on GR with tensor fields / differential geometry was basically the biggest application of that new math too. "I have stood on the shoulders of giants." Apparently, that quote applies not only on mathematics, but also StarCraft. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 09 2009 01:16 jgad wrote: If Protoss was physics, Nal_Ra would be Einstein, who opened the eyes of the world. Garimto would be Boltzmann, who gave us solid and fresh fundamentals, Bisu Schrödinger, whose probes can be in two places at once, Reach Tesla, who flexed the forces of nature into radical and powerful spectacles, and Stork Oppenheimer, who didn't really revolutionise anything, but who used what was at hand to build a bigger bomb than anyone had seen before. Oh my god, this is the best analogy for protoss players ever hahaha Also Bisu is probably Niels Bohr | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
On May 09 2009 20:18 Plexa wrote: Also Bisu is probably Niels Bohr 1) Build a pylon 2) Everything else revolves around that... | ||
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danieldrsa
Brazil523 Posts
On May 09 2009 13:34 EvilTeletubby wrote: To answer both of you in the same breath... Ra's FE builds were not the same as Bisu's by any stretch. If they were, every Protoss would have started using them. Ra was creative in that he was thinking outside the box and trying to create builds which were unique, but to be honest, he just didn't have the success rate with it that would encourage other Protoss users to use the same builds. Yes, Ra would FE, but he would lose a good portion of the time with it too. There wasn't the same follow-up or flexibility as the modern day Bisu build. So it's not really an issue of "Ra did it first, Bisu popularized it" -> Ra never did the same build. Obviously if he did, we wouldn't be debating this. To the point of modern PvZ vs traditional (2+ years ago) PvZ, yes, modern Protoss is dominated by Bisu's actions. But traditional PvZ has not nearly the same amount of influence from Ra. Yes, again, Ra was creative/ahead of his time, but he did not influence his race as a whole like Bisu did. You wouldn't suddenly see every Protoss copying something Ra did. You DID see that with Bisu. That's influence. Im in love with your posts :D I think the point is: there is so much people saying "this is bisu build", when it is not really one, that it created somekind of "hate" for it use. Bisu build is so much "godfied" that its attacked just for that Daezang is the creator of Bisu Build as much as Anytime/Grr/Reach are the creators of Nal_Ra strats. | ||
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