EPTFBH and Jangbi had a rough time in OSL prelims though, so they will have to rely on performing well in the MSL in order to maintain their status. Both of them dropped out, Jangbi in PvP against Horang2, FBH in TvZ vs. Hoejja (albeit vs. two of the new "legend killers")
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Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
my list would be: 1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Flash 4. Jangbi 5. free 6. Best 7. Kal 8-10. Some combo of FBH/Leta/Fantasy/Sea For the FBH / Leta / Fantasy / Sea discussion, they are all performing amazingly in proleague. Leta and Fantasy have more wins, but it's a wash since they are all doing very well. Then you look at individual leagues: Fantasy: seeded into OSL, passed MSL qualifiers Leta: passed OSL qualifiers, passed MSL qualifiers Sea: passed OSL qualifiers (seeded), qualified for MSL FBH: failed OSL qualifiers, seeded in MSL You could argue that FBH's MSL performance counts more, but it was back in October. In November, he is just 0-3 vs Bisu in MSL. The seed shouldn't count that much. I think the rank for these four should be: 1. Sea / Fantasy (very close) 3. Leta / FBH (again very close) Going with my gut and how these guys are playing, I think it should be Sea, then Fantasy, then Leta. But it's debatable for sure, but I just don't think FBH is as high as #6. Other than this it's a great rank, I especially agree with Bisu at #1. Great job Steve! | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On December 14 2008 03:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Or maybe you could try not releasing PR half way through the fucking month every damn time?what the hell would be the point of not including games up until the PR is released? So we could have an inaccurate ranking because i pretend not to know what happened between december first and now? that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On December 14 2008 04:27 Dazed_Spy wrote: Or maybe you could try not releasing PR half way through the fucking month every damn time? Steve's right about your idea being stupid, he has to take into consideration all the games up to that point. It's the best solution for a PR that doesn't come on the first of the month. Also, there's a respectful way to say "hey lets release it on time please!" instead of yelling it like some unappreciative douche. Consider this a warning. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 14 2008 04:27 Dazed_Spy wrote: Or maybe you could try not releasing PR half way through the fucking month every damn time? suck it up asshole, i do this for free and i have other responsibilities. I do what I can to get it out at a decent time, but its not always so easy. You're fucked in the head if you think this is an easy or simple process. | ||
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 14 2008 04:23 Hot_Bid wrote: the only change i'd make would be removing Jaedong completely and adding Fantasy or Leta, and reordering the bottom part. imo Fantasy's losses are far more justifiable than FBH's. my list would be: 1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Flash 4. Jangbi 5. free 6. Best 7. Kal 8-10. Some combo of FBH/Leta/Fantasy/Sea For the FBH / Leta / Fantasy / Sea discussion, they are all performing amazingly in proleague. Leta and Fantasy have more wins, but it's a wash since they are all doing very well. Then you look at individual leagues: Fantasy: seeded into OSL, passed MSL qualifiers Leta: passed OSL qualifiers, passed MSL qualifiers Sea: passed OSL qualifiers (seeded), qualified for MSL FBH: failed OSL qualifiers, seeded in MSL You could argue that FBH's MSL performance counts more, but it was back in October. In November, he is just 0-3 vs Bisu in MSL. The seed shouldn't count that much. I think the rank for these four should be: 1. Sea / Fantasy (very close) 3. Leta / FBH (again very close) Going with my gut and how these guys are playing, I think it should be Sea, then Fantasy, then Leta. But it's debatable for sure, but I just don't think FBH is as high as #6. Other than this it's a great rank, I especially agree with Bisu at #1. Great job Steve! That makes a lot of sense. What made FBH stick out for me was that he is incredibly likely to have a comparable level of success in MSL this season (that is, crushing every Terran and Zerg he plays against) and is still very likely to maintain his performance in ProLeague. That measure of consistancy made him worthy of higher praise in my mind, because it shows that he is, for the moment, a justifiably better player than Leta/Sea/Fantasy. Fantasy is off the list because after OSL none of his games were impressive, he looked like a generic run-of-the-mill Terran pro. That's not conducive to placement in the top 10. I think FBH's consistancy should be recognized, and while the other three Terrans in question have comparable performances, they aren't nearly as reliable. Of course, with the coming MSL/OSL this is all up in the air, it just made more sense to have FBH above them right now because he is consistantly that good all the time. The players below him are Best, Jaedong, Kal, and Sea (plus everyone else). We agree about Jaedong being lower, but I don't think Kal or Best (particularily Best despite how he positively bleeds potential) should be higher than FBH given the last month and a half of games. | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
I too would put Yarnc above sea, but that's really debatable Really accurate list otherwise (even though seeing so many protosses brings tears to my eyes :\ ) | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
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brjdrb
United States577 Posts
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 14 2008 01:36 freelander wrote: I like this pr, though too many protoss are there. I honestly can't understand how FBH can suck so much in tvp while being so good against the other two races. Is tvp too complex? or just tvp doesn't fit his style? what the heck well it`s not that complicated..it`s just that it`s not usual at this level. Like i`m really good with microing, mutas and stuff, but I`m horrible at macro, no practice time sucks. I know it`s not a good comparison, but still, I think that is the reason ( not the practice time issue, just the fact that he`s good at TvZ and TvT. I bet he`ll get even better at TvP ) | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
But either way, he's just been making really really really DUMB decisions lately. He opened strong (but a liiitle shakier than usual) at the start of the season...but like...zergs in general are having a hard time against terrans, but like his ZvP and ZvZ are showing signs of just dumb play where he hangs on for longer than most would have due to his extreme mechanics. Like that ZvP game on Andromeda (I forget who it was) this season where he made like 18 lurkers against a goon heavy army... -_____-;;... Or that ZvZ on...Neo Requiem I believe? (might have been Raid Assault)...where he lost because he tried to play with some cute ling micro and bust the other guy's ramp...which resulted in HIS ling line getting run past...and then losing like three or four drones... He needs to shape up the strategic aspect of his game...he's still among the top as a modern SC player in all other respects, imo. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 14 2008 06:13 PH wrote: I don't know about Jaedong getting flat-out outplayed...I mean, yeah...his last game with FBH was pretty bad... But either way, he's just been making really really really DUMB decisions lately. He opened strong (but a liiitle shakier than usual) at the start of the season...but like...zergs in general are having a hard time against terrans, but like his ZvP and ZvZ are showing signs of just dumb play where he hangs on for longer than most would have due to his extreme mechanics. Like that ZvP game on Andromeda (I forget who it was) this season where he made like 18 lurkers against a goon heavy army... -_____-;;... Or that ZvZ on...Neo Requiem I believe? (might have been Raid Assault)...where he lost because he tried to play with some cute ling micro and bust the other guy's ramp...which resulted in HIS ling line getting run past...and then losing like three or four drones... He needs to shape up the strategic aspect of his game...he's still among the top as a modern SC player in all other respects, imo. hooooooooooooping u are right, sir I mean, I know he`s really good, it`s just that his inspiration is nowhere to be seen. It`s gettin` blinded by the bad decision-making  | ||
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capek
United States585 Posts
On December 14 2008 06:24 Jaeden wrote: hooooooooooooping u are right, sir I mean, I know he`s really good, it`s just that his inspiration is nowhere to be seen. It`s gettin` blinded by the bad decision-making It reminds of the time when flash's only build was 14cc. Don't worry boys, JD will be back soon enough. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On December 14 2008 05:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: That makes a lot of sense. What made FBH stick out for me was that he is incredibly likely to have a comparable level of success in MSL this season (that is, crushing every Terran and Zerg he plays against) and is still very likely to maintain his performance in ProLeague. That measure of consistancy made him worthy of higher praise in my mind, because it shows that he is, for the moment, a justifiably better player than Leta/Sea/Fantasy. well, if you're going off likelihood for comparable level of success in this MSL, i don't think that's a good example, because it's absolutely loaded with Protoss (at least in the seeded stage so far), making up 50% of the players in the MSL. Fantasy is off the list because after OSL none of his games were impressive, he looked like a generic run-of-the-mill Terran pro. That's not conducive to placement in the top 10. I think FBH's consistancy should be recognized, and while the other three Terrans in question have comparable performances, they aren't nearly as reliable. Of course, with the coming MSL/OSL this is all up in the air, it just made more sense to have FBH above them right now because he is consistantly that good all the time. perhaps you are right about Fantasy, looking over his past few games i might have overvalued his TvT wins. OSL though has Sea and Leta possible but FBH completely out. with so many Ps running around right now I'd say those two have all-around better games suited for this upcoming month. The players below him are Best, Jaedong, Kal, and Sea (plus everyone else). We agree about Jaedong being lower, but I don't think Kal or Best (particularily Best despite how he positively bleeds potential) should be higher than FBH given the last month and a half of games. if we were to exclude Jaedong from the list entirely, then one could argue that the entire bottom half of the list below flash is a toss up. Jangbi and Free both didn't make OSL and finished higher than FBH or the others in previous individual leagues so that justifies their place. Best didn't make MSL, FBH didn't make OSL, but both are doing OK in PL. Best finished higher in the OSL than FBH did in the MSL but both those results were not in the past month, so they should be weighted a bit less. I guess you could argue it any way, but if we were to take the PR as an evaluation of player "force" right now, it's extremely close between the bottom six, and any order is probably a good one. The only mistake being Jaedong on the list at all, but I appreciate your commitment to having at least one Z, if you were to have one Z it'd have to be Yarnc though, he's 6-2 since the Jangbi debacle with wins over Calm and Kal (Ace) and one of his losses was Bisu. Pretty difficult rank to order, but when Leta and Sea qualify for both leagues, they will jump next month I think. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Jaedong has no place on this rank, i dont think he would beat anyone on this ranking tbh. | ||
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