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tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
December 13 2008 23:22 GMT
#61

YESYESYES
flash #3
nothing
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 13 2008 23:28 GMT
#62
On December 14 2008 06:13 PH wrote:
But either way, he's just been making really really really DUMB decisions lately. He opened strong (but a liiitle shakier than usual) at the start of the season...but like...zergs in general are having a hard time against terrans, but like his ZvP and ZvZ are showing signs of just dumb play where he hangs on for longer than most would have due to his extreme mechanics. Like that ZvP game on Andromeda (I forget who it was) this season where he made like 18 lurkers against a goon heavy army... -_____-;;... Or that ZvZ on...Neo Requiem I believe? (might have been Raid Assault)...where he lost because he tried to play with some cute ling micro and bust the other guy's ramp...which resulted in HIS ling line getting run past...and then losing like three or four drones...


While some of it is true, there is really no reason to say that jaedongs zvz is bad or stupid in any way. He is a fucking GOD at zvz. No one has ever played zvz better than he has done for long and still does.

Bisu is dominating, but Stork isnt really playing that good after his OSL win which got him #1 spot last month. Saying that no one is close to stork now except bisu and flash is wrong imo.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 13 2008 23:36 GMT
#63
yeah, looking at the stats JD must be a zvz GOD but if I have to name a guy who has a shot of beating him in a BoX zvz match...well this is OverSky. Just watch their last encounters, all the games were ridiculously close
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 14 2008 00:01 GMT
#64
There's a lot of deje vu in this ranking for some reason. Maybe it's the comments about FBH, Free got eliminated again by a better player (opposite of the bracket he's in the final EZ), or Kal's ok play. Or the fact that Sea is #10, ripped up something again, and is living up to Bisu's billing of the #1 Terran.

This month's PR would have not been much fun to do. You have no individual leagues to base performance off of, and Proleague matches comparing good players are few. The best objective ranking you can do is that "Player A and Player B both beat Player C" which is not very much fun.
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Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
December 14 2008 00:03 GMT
#65
On December 14 2008 08:36 disciple wrote:
yeah, looking at the stats JD must be a zvz GOD but if I have to name a guy who has a shot of beating him in a BoX zvz match...well this is OverSky. Just watch their last encounters, all the games were ridiculously close


Yeah I think Jaedong's untouchable ZvZ isn't helping him at the present with every single other zerg sucking right now except calm, zero, and oversky. But holy cow, who would have thought that a player on ACE would get recognition for playing really well, oversky's number 2 in zvz right now imo with luxury struggling (one loss to a non-JD/Lux zerg since playing for ACE)
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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-14 00:58:45
December 14 2008 00:57 GMT
#66
On December 14 2008 05:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 04:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
the only change i'd make would be removing Jaedong completely and adding Fantasy or Leta, and reordering the bottom part. imo Fantasy's losses are far more justifiable than FBH's.

my list would be:

1. Bisu
2. Stork
3. Flash
4. Jangbi
5. free
6. Best
7. Kal
8-10. Some combo of FBH/Leta/Fantasy/Sea

For the FBH / Leta / Fantasy / Sea discussion, they are all performing amazingly in proleague. Leta and Fantasy have more wins, but it's a wash since they are all doing very well. Then you look at individual leagues:

Fantasy: seeded into OSL, passed MSL qualifiers
Leta: passed OSL qualifiers, passed MSL qualifiers
Sea: passed OSL qualifiers (seeded), qualified for MSL
FBH: failed OSL qualifiers, seeded in MSL

You could argue that FBH's MSL performance counts more, but it was back in October. In November, he is just 0-3 vs Bisu in MSL. The seed shouldn't count that much.

I think the rank for these four should be:

1. Sea / Fantasy (very close)
3. Leta / FBH (again very close)

Going with my gut and how these guys are playing, I think it should be Sea, then Fantasy, then Leta. But it's debatable for sure, but I just don't think FBH is as high as #6.

Other than this it's a great rank, I especially agree with Bisu at #1. Great job Steve!


That makes a lot of sense. What made FBH stick out for me was that he is incredibly likely to have a comparable level of success in MSL this season (that is, crushing every Terran and Zerg he plays against) and is still very likely to maintain his performance in ProLeague. That measure of consistancy made him worthy of higher praise in my mind, because it shows that he is, for the moment, a justifiably better player than Leta/Sea/Fantasy.

Steve I don't often comment on these threads (I'm not really that knowledgeable of a player) However, I don't think one should factor in probable success in to a power ranking. You should only look to current performance...because FBH can honestly dissapoint
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
December 14 2008 01:22 GMT
#67
Good list! thanks FS!
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 14 2008 01:26 GMT
#68
I think Effort deserves at least a mention, if not a CBNC. Although I guess getting knocked out of GOM by Best was a blow to his cause. Although those game's aren't in TLPD for some reason. :S
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-14 01:45:16
December 14 2008 01:33 GMT
#69
Does it seem like people are reacting more to Jaedong "slump" of 9-10 than Flash's "slump" of 7-12 a few months ago?

How coinendicental, perhaps this is where it ends?
Jaedong
ilistis
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States828 Posts
December 14 2008 02:13 GMT
#70
You love sea don't you?
"The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones."-William Faulkner *_*_*_Kolll FAN_*_*_*
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
December 14 2008 02:40 GMT
#71
On December 14 2008 10:26 zer0das wrote:
I think Effort deserves at least a mention, if not a CBNC. Although I guess getting knocked out of GOM by Best was a blow to his cause. Although those game's aren't in TLPD for some reason. :S

as much as i love effort, he's not in CBNC yet. if he advanced past either prelim or got further in gom or won that most recent ace match against light... then maybe. but right now he's just pure potential, no consistent results yet.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 14 2008 02:50 GMT
#72
In about two hours Stork is going to prove why he should have been #3.

Oh what fun!
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 14 2008 02:57 GMT
#73
cbnc for me would be

leta
pusan
yarnc
fantasy

shoutout to magma?

hmm also kind of close but no cigar: really, movie, horang2, hoejja... crazy stuff. calm/sangho are doing well in proleague too. effort and forgg need to step it up
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iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
December 14 2008 04:07 GMT
#74
The pro-scene just makes me feel so awesome right now, with so many good players, and it's gotten more competitive than ever before.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 14 2008 04:13 GMT
#75
I know, just when we thought it was competitive 6 months ago...
Jaedong
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 14 2008 04:23 GMT
#76
Really/Sangho/Up for CBNC.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
December 14 2008 04:54 GMT
#77
Interestingly, Flash is probably a favorite against both Bisu and Stork at the moment because of history and his godly vP, but his vZ is weak enough to justify his placement under at least Bisu. I'm not sure Stork deserves to be over him after his very lackluster performance post-OSL, though.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 14 2008 05:50 GMT
#78
On December 14 2008 11:50 Dazed_Spy wrote:
In about two hours Stork is going to prove why he should have been #3.

Oh what fun!

you fail
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 14 2008 06:36 GMT
#79
+ Show Spoiler +
I think any argument of placing Stork over Flash for this month has been settled. That was a convincing win by Stork there.
Meh
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 14 2008 06:41 GMT
#80
On December 14 2008 11:50 Dazed_Spy wrote:
In about two hours Stork is going to prove why he should have been #3.

Oh what fun!

hahaha if this isn't epic fai, idk what is.
*waiting for lame excuses*

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