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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 15 2009 14:36 GMT
#881
On January 15 2009 23:33 Scorch wrote:
Now in which matchup would you consider Jangbi>Bisu?
PvT? Bisu beat Flash multiple times this month, I don't think much more proof is needed.
PvZ? I didn't see the + Show Spoiler +
by.hero
games, but I'm inclined to think that was only a fluke.
PvP? Uhm... no.
Jangbi is indeed more consistent right now, but I'd put im on #3 at most for his raw potential power. This is the Power Rank, right?


Yes, but what relevance does the Power Rank have if it isn't affected by what happens in the two most important leagues in pro StarCraft?

For reference, Bisu played pretty bad against hero. hero played great in game 2, but Bisu could have (and should have) won that series. The blame rests squarely on his own shoulders.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
January 15 2009 14:40 GMT
#882
Well as long as you clarify that Jangbi is #1 only due to lack of alternatives... which reminds me... go write the new PR already
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 15 2009 14:44 GMT
#883
I would have wanted Jangbi to be 1st due to showing such strong play that I am convinced he is capable of, rather than the other top players failing =(

But IMHO, the great ege Bisu has over Jangbi, the reason why he defeted him in the MSL, is his preparation and mental toughness. Jangbi is still too unpolished, sometimes too impatient, and get unnerved too easily compared to Bisu. That Bisu claims he lost the 2nd game to Hero due to being in a bad mind set was shocking to me.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 15 2009 14:45 GMT
#884
On January 15 2009 23:40 Scorch wrote:
Well as long as you clarify that Jangbi is #1 only due to lack of alternatives... which reminds me... go write the new PR already


Jangbi isnt a bad choice and he has a good shot at GOM. You cant really put Flash as no1 because all he showed this month is that he doesn't lose to scrubs yet drops games while putting up a great fight vs the SS class players( Bisu, Jaedong,Stork).
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Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 14:51:11
January 15 2009 14:48 GMT
#885
Come on,Put Sea no1 again then,but putting Jangbi when he has: no SL titles yet(all the no1's till this day have at least one SL wins)
2. He lost to Effort and Shine,Bisu beat Effort. He was knocked out of the OSL and perhaps he will be knocked out in the MSL too,he was just more lucky because his group didn't take place yet. Jangbi is a great player,but he cannot be called the best player in the world right now.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 15 2009 14:49 GMT
#886
Wow, putting Jangbi #1 is going to bring a lot of hate, although he is quite deserving. In these days, no one cares about consistency anymore, yet Jangbi's as consistent as they come. The guy just goes out there and wins. Made it to the MSL finals. Made it to GOM semis(let's face it, he would've beaten Backho). 12-4 in the proleagues. He doesn't show up much because Khan doesn't overwork its players, but when he has played he has played very well.

I like his style quite a lot. Very clean yet aggressive. In that sense I like him a lot more than Best, who just macros up and macros up some more before he actually does anything.

Meh
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
January 15 2009 14:54 GMT
#887
On January 15 2009 23:49 baubo wrote:
Wow, putting Jangbi #1 is going to bring a lot of hate, although he is quite deserving. In these days, no one cares about consistency anymore, yet Jangbi's as consistent as they come. The guy just goes out there and wins. Made it to the MSL finals. Made it to GOM semis(let's face it, he would've beaten Backho). 12-4 in the proleagues. He doesn't show up much because Khan doesn't overwork its players, but when he has played he has played very well.

I like his style quite a lot. Very clean yet aggressive. In that sense I like him a lot more than Best, who just macros up and macros up some more before he actually does anything.


Yeah,sure he would have beaten Backho. You can read the future right. Backho beat Stork,and I would have said that Bisu will beat hero,he will beat Savior and stuff like that. He is a strong player,but do you honestly beleive he will win MSL? And being knocked out in the offline prelims is really tough,right? Much more impressive than being knocked out from the osl ro 36. Yu are right in one thing tho,this will bring up a lot of hate. It sure did bring a lot of hate in me,and I can't control it. It gets the better of me. But I think this would be outrageous.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 15 2009 14:56 GMT
#888
Hmm.. I doubt Bisu can still be #1 in the PR. + Show Spoiler +
Out in MSL Ro 32 / OSL Ro 36 is pretty bad...
Now, who could be #1? Jaedong, Flash? Leta even? Jangbi?
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
January 15 2009 14:58 GMT
#889
On January 15 2009 23:48 Darth Peter wrote:
Come on,Put Sea no1 again then,but putting Jangbi when he has: no SL titles yet(all the no1's till this day have at least one SL wins)
2. He lost to Effort and Shine,Bisu beat Effort. He was knocked out of the OSL and perhaps he will be knocked out in the MSL too,he was just more lucky because his group didn't take place yet. Jangbi is a great player,but he cannot be called the best player in the world right now.

power rank is about who if everyone right now starcraft-brawled to the death would emerge the winner, not a list of title holders

its irrelevant if jangbi has won a title or not, he's been arguably the strongest player over the past month and thats what the power rank is about, a ranking of who is the best RIGHT NOW not over their entire careers.
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Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 15 2009 15:00 GMT
#890
Nada for 1st on PR every month imo =P
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
January 15 2009 15:02 GMT
#891
This PR is a pain in the ass. I don't think:

Bisu deserves #1 because he is out of both leagues.
Flash deserves #1 because he lost to any S-class player he has faced recently.
Jaedong deserves #1 because he lost some really dumb games (and his win vs Bisu doesn't seem so exciting after Bisu's recent vs Z performance).
JangBi deserves #1 because he just haven't played enough games vs best players recently. Seriously, being in GOM after facing pepe and injured BackHo isn't a big accomplishment. Which great vs P player did he beat recently?? Leta?

Ugh, this month is a mess...
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 15:08:12
January 15 2009 15:03 GMT
#892
On January 15 2009 23:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2009 23:33 Scorch wrote:
Now in which matchup would you consider Jangbi>Bisu?
PvT? Bisu beat Flash multiple times this month, I don't think much more proof is needed.
PvZ? I didn't see the + Show Spoiler +
by.hero
games, but I'm inclined to think that was only a fluke.
PvP? Uhm... no.
Jangbi is indeed more consistent right now, but I'd put im on #3 at most for his raw potential power. This is the Power Rank, right?


Yes, but what relevance does the Power Rank have if it isn't affected by what happens in the two most important leagues in pro StarCraft?

For reference, Bisu played pretty bad against hero. hero played great in game 2, but Bisu could have (and should have) won that series. The blame rests squarely on his own shoulders.


+ Show Spoiler +
Not to mention MSL (again) ..... Bisu should stick with the flow , and not choose an all zerg group , because when he losses it makes him look weak :/ . I can't tell who can take his place .

But....... let's face it half of the month is over ... You can all do us a big favour and make us and Savior happy by placing him at the #1 spot for just January with some bad ass comments like "It's already 2009 and you know what that means. Bisu already felt the destroyer that is the real Neo - Savior and stuff like that " like the one month with Sea please FakeSteave <3 . Savior fans will forever be in your debt and its not like someone is worthy of the # 1 spot right now
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
January 15 2009 15:04 GMT
#893
What did Jangbi accomplish that makes you think he is the best player? Besides beating the mighty Pepe,and having an auto-win against Backho? He didn't even play in this MSL yet. How do you know he is not going to be eliminated? It can happen. Especially because he lost to somebody like Shine(kal). He lost to Fantasy too. Tell me one big name he has beaten. He is already out of the OSL. This was Bisu's month,and despite having to bad performances during the month,he was still dominating it in the most part. How can you deny his matches against Flash? Or his P v P mastery? Or his match against Effort? I like Jangbi too,but nothing indicates he is the best player. NOTHING!!!
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 15 2009 15:05 GMT
#894
On January 15 2009 23:54 Darth Peter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2009 23:49 baubo wrote:
Wow, putting Jangbi #1 is going to bring a lot of hate, although he is quite deserving. In these days, no one cares about consistency anymore, yet Jangbi's as consistent as they come. The guy just goes out there and wins. Made it to the MSL finals. Made it to GOM semis(let's face it, he would've beaten Backho). 12-4 in the proleagues. He doesn't show up much because Khan doesn't overwork its players, but when he has played he has played very well.

I like his style quite a lot. Very clean yet aggressive. In that sense I like him a lot more than Best, who just macros up and macros up some more before he actually does anything.


Yeah,sure he would have beaten Backho. You can read the future right. Backho beat Stork,and I would have said that Bisu will beat hero,he will beat Savior and stuff like that. He is a strong player,but do you honestly beleive he will win MSL? And being knocked out in the offline prelims is really tough,right? Much more impressive than being knocked out from the osl ro 36. Yu are right in one thing tho,this will bring up a lot of hate. It sure did bring a lot of hate in me,and I can't control it. It gets the better of me. But I think this would be outrageous.


There are more upsets in the prelims than in the group stages of the starleagues. So yes, prelims are harder than OSL group when you're the seeded player.

And Bisu got knocked out of BOTH starleagues in the group stages, when he didn't even have to go through the prelims. And if you're going to credit Bisu for making the starleagues w/o having to go through the prelims, then Stork should be #1 right now because he's seeded the highest right now.

Meh
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 15 2009 15:06 GMT
#895
There's no good choice for #1. Jangbi doesn't feel right at all. He hasn't done anything worthy of being #1.
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
January 15 2009 15:06 GMT
#896
On January 16 2009 00:03 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2009 23:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 15 2009 23:33 Scorch wrote:
Now in which matchup would you consider Jangbi>Bisu?
PvT? Bisu beat Flash multiple times this month, I don't think much more proof is needed.
PvZ? I didn't see the + Show Spoiler +
by.hero
games, but I'm inclined to think that was only a fluke.
PvP? Uhm... no.
Jangbi is indeed more consistent right now, but I'd put im on #3 at most for his raw potential power. This is the Power Rank, right?


Yes, but what relevance does the Power Rank have if it isn't affected by what happens in the two most important leagues in pro StarCraft?

For reference, Bisu played pretty bad against hero. hero played great in game 2, but Bisu could have (and should have) won that series. The blame rests squarely on his own shoulders.


+ Show Spoiler +
Not to mention MSL (again) ..... Bisu should stick with the flow , and not choose an all zerg group , because when he losses it makes him look weak :/ . I can't tell who can take his place .

But....... let's face it half of the month is over ... You can all do us a big favour and make us and Savior happy by placing him an the #1 spot for January with some bad ass comments like "It's already 2009 and you know what that means. Bisu already felt the destroyer that is the real Neo - Savior and stuff like that " like the one month with Sea please FakeSteave <3 . Savior fans will forever be in your debt

I think for the first time in my life I completely agree with you.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 15:13:21
January 15 2009 15:07 GMT
#897
Yeah JangBI number # 1 with this comments :

On May 03 2008 02:01 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Jangbi - Look who it is! The worst Protoss in the world! Jangbi is a scumbag and a liar, but I GUESS he is playing pretty good. UGH. SIGH.!


Would be pretty epic too hahaha .
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 15 2009 15:08 GMT
#898
On May 03 2008 02:01 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Jangbi - Look who it is! The worst Protoss in the world! Jangbi is a scumbag and a liar, but I GUESS he is playing pretty good. UGH. SIGH.!


hahahaha
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 15 2009 15:09 GMT
#899
On January 16 2009 00:03 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2009 23:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 15 2009 23:33 Scorch wrote:
Now in which matchup would you consider Jangbi>Bisu?
PvT? Bisu beat Flash multiple times this month, I don't think much more proof is needed.
PvZ? I didn't see the + Show Spoiler +
by.hero
games, but I'm inclined to think that was only a fluke.
PvP? Uhm... no.
Jangbi is indeed more consistent right now, but I'd put im on #3 at most for his raw potential power. This is the Power Rank, right?


Yes, but what relevance does the Power Rank have if it isn't affected by what happens in the two most important leagues in pro StarCraft?

For reference, Bisu played pretty bad against hero. hero played great in game 2, but Bisu could have (and should have) won that series. The blame rests squarely on his own shoulders.


+ Show Spoiler +
Not to mention MSL (again) ..... Bisu should stick with the flow , and not choose an all zerg group , because when he losses it makes him look weak :/ . I can't tell who can take his place .

But....... let's face it half of the month is over ... You can all do us a big favour and make us and Savior happy by placing him at the #1 spot for just January with some bad ass comments like "It's already 2009 and you know what that means. Bisu already felt the destroyer that is the real Neo - Savior and stuff like that " like the one month with Sea please FakeSteave <3 . Savior fans will forever be in your debt and its not like someone is worthy of the # 1 spot right now

+1
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 15:21:33
January 15 2009 15:14 GMT
#900
Nony/Savior/Sea/whoever for 1st place, please, Jangbi is consistent up to now, but i coudnt stand seeing him 1st place only beacause others dropped games. He did not beat any very goo dplayer, altough he did not failed recently. He's out of OSL too, so please, dont put him 1st, he does not deserve it. Even JD/Flash/Bisu should be better, beacause they played high level opponents with convincing style, even though they dropped games (stupid games sometimes).

Seriously if you dont want to give the 1st place to any of the best players of the respective races, make a good joke. It's 2009, Savior nr 1 should be cool for the first month.

Or go ahead and just give Bisu the first place he owned everywhere up to now, say that you already wrote the PR yesterday and now u upload it, or anything, swear at Bisu a tone but give him, dont give Jangbi 1st place!!!!

You're THE PR writer, you should handle tough situations like this with creativity
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