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On December 20 2008 05:29 SuperJongMan wrote:
What made Mind's play ridiculous sick that game is that... Mind was dead. If Sea was there, Midas, Leta, Iris.. I'm pretty sure they all die that game -_-;;
He got stasis rushed and lost key ground. He lost his army numerous times because he was caught off guard. Lost like 7 tanks and Toss had a huge remaining army.
However, Mind's impromptu adaptations to the game and on the moment clutch stasis break + Recall D + Vulture sneak during attacks + etc etc. He opened terribly and got caught off guard but played sublime and clutched a win. That was the Mind that I remember, tight rope walker. And ofc, his trademark 2 vultures here and there ~_~ It's so cool. I really love his TvP.
He scouted the Arbiter Tribunal and then decided to leave his tanks in a massive clump anyways. Luckily, his massive fail was countered by Stats' massive fail, a common theme in Stats' games.
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If power rank were done today Leta would definitely be there over Sea. He's still undefeated in PL and 2-0'd Sea in the OSL.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
uhhhh leta's definitely not undefeated in proleague
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geezus its just 10th place...is it really worth making a heated discussion about?
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On December 20 2008 16:05 AzureEye wrote:
geezus its just 10th place...is it really worth making a heated discussion about?
discussion is what its all about!
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On December 20 2008 15:22 wombo combo wrote:
If power rank were done today Leta would definitely be there over Sea. He's still undefeated in PL and 2-0'd Sea in the OSL.
He's not undefeated,he even lost to fucking Backho man,Backho. It does'nt matter tho 'cause he is hot as hell lately.
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Oh forgive me Sire, i was blind infront of drakness that covered my eyes. I know that if i'd come to you proposing a player with 10-9 results for PR i would be named "stupid" or "ignorant", or "idiot", but when it comes to you, you are allowed everything. Because you are "primus inter pares", "alpha and omega" and you watch all the games in PL and other starleagues so thats why you cant post a PR on time. Even if now is december 20 and we still dont have an CNBC, this shall not be a surprise because you work so hard to help the community you call ignorants.
I confess i love Flash and Nal_ra, but i swear from now on i will love Sea, i will identify with Sea: when Sea will loose it will be the greatest lost ever and when Sea will win, no matter he will beat 3rd hand players, it will be a beastly rape!
I acknoledge your right to ban every player that confront you, since you are the holder of all truth in all universes today, even Xell' Naga's.
PS: You know what they say, "Revenge is the most sincere form of forgiveness". I accept your apologies.
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On December 20 2008 15:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
uhhhh leta's definitely not undefeated in proleague
Maybe not but he's sure as hell #1 in PL at the moment, he really deserves a spot next time.
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On December 20 2008 19:58 spargapises wrote:
Oh forgive me Sire, i was blind infront of drakness that covered my eyes. I know that if i'd come to you proposing a player with 10-9 results for PR i would be named "stupid" or "ignorant", or "idiot", but when it comes to you, you are allowed everything. Because you are "primus inter pares", "alpha and omega" and you watch all the games in PL and other starleagues so thats why you cant post a PR on time. Even if now is december 20 and we still dont have an CNBC, this shall not be a surprise because you work so hard to help the community you call ignorants.
I confess i love Flash and Nal_ra, but i swear from now on i will love Sea, i will identify with Sea: when Sea will loose it will be the greatest lost ever and when Sea will win, no matter he will beat 3rd hand players, it will be a beastly rape!
I acknoledge your right to ban every player that confront you, since you are the holder of all truth in all universes today, even Xell' Naga's.
PS: You know what they say, "Revenge is the most sincere form of forgiveness". I accept your apologies.
intresting first comment it sounds like you answer for something. Were you banned? If yes you shoudnt make another acc, just wait till the bann lasts. It's TL, if the TL staff says you arent allowed here for a period, than YOU arent allowed not your acc. Respect the rules man
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I still dont understand how calling a decision pathetic can lead to such a harsh response. Isnt it basically the same as saying '' i dont agree '' or to say '' I dont agree at all '' ?
If they think your work is pathetic its their right to say so isnt it ? I find it childish and really strange that you just tell them '' to fuck off and not post here if they find your pr pathetic and dont agree '' . If I m not completely wrong thats what you said. At least partly.
I mean we all know the PR is not pathetic at all. Its just that Leta,Pusan, Mind would be candidates for rank 10, too.
Maybe what some people think: If its all pretty even, FS just takes Sea. Like when you are really like 33% Sea 33 % Leta 33 % mind ( just as an example ) you would decide for Sea...
One thing I like to say:
Sorry for my hard words now, but EVERYONE who is like '' hahaha i told you Sea didnt deserve it... '' when he loses games and plays bad AFTER the power rank has been made is just so fucking retarted and stupid.
I think I dont need to explain .. any sane person should understand..
Good job overall FakeSteve
Im not one of those guys who will go mad because of hard decisions I dont agree with ...
For me it would be Leta at #10
and maybe overthink FBH's position but its a good PR
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I don't think he was banned for calling the ranking pathetic - he was just being overly rude and the only thing he ever did to back up his arguments was quote stats from TLPD.
Then he challenged FakeSteve, and that was just dumb.
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It seems to me that Leta has the best tvt on the scene right now.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 20 2008 22:15 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
I still dont understand how calling a decision pathetic can lead to such a harsh response. Isnt it basically the same as saying '' i dont agree '' or to say '' I dont agree at all '' ?
If they think your work is pathetic its their right to say so isnt it ? I find it childish and really strange that you just tell them '' to fuck off and not post here if they find your pr pathetic and dont agree '' . If I m not completely wrong thats what you said. At least partly.
I mean we all know the PR is not pathetic at all. Its just that Leta,Pusan, Mind would be candidates for rank 10, too.
Maybe what some people think: If its all pretty even, FS just takes Sea. Like when you are really like 33% Sea 33 % Leta 33 % mind ( just as an example ) you would decide for Sea...
One thing I like to say:
Sorry for my hard words now, but EVERYONE who is like '' hahaha i told you Sea didnt deserve it... '' when he loses games and plays bad AFTER the power rank has been made is just so fucking retarted and stupid.
I think I dont need to explain .. any sane person should understand..
Good job overall FakeSteve
Im not one of those guys who will go mad because of hard decisions I dont agree with ...
For me it would be Leta at #10
and maybe overthink FBH's position but its a good PR
you can be critical without being offensive. the word 'pathetic' is really aggressive and mean-spirited, there's really only one way to take it. discussion is great, being a little bitch is not so great. it's also not the first time this guy has walked into a PR thread and talked mad shit out of nowhere. It's the same as if someone posted in a teamliquid attack thread before the broadcast; "this player you brought sucks this episode will be terrible how pathetic"
Anyway, the thing about Leta is that he plays well, but he plays nothing but textbook Terran in every matchup. He plays so safe that his opponents have to make mistakes to lose to him, and this far they certainly have. I mean, every player makes mistakes during a game, it's just that in order for Leta to be properly evaluated he has to get into a series against someone who knows what they're doing. Leta's approach to the game is perfect for ProLeague but I have some serious concerns about whether his safety-first textbook style will bite him in the ass when he plays a series against someone very strong. I don't think he'll have the same sort of struggles Sea has been having, where he plays like ass if he gets anywhere near the round of 8, I just worry that he won't be able to overcome a strong player in a series playing so safe and standard.
I think Leta has a bright future regardless, but I wonder where on the spectrum of success he will end up.
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FS, did you watch Leta's game against Luxury? Leta doesn't always play standard.
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On December 21 2008 09:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:
FS, did you watch Leta's game against Luxury? Leta doesn't always play standard.
yes i watched that game but if you watch nearly any of his other games you'll see what i'm talking about -_-
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On December 21 2008 09:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 09:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:
FS, did you watch Leta's game against Luxury? Leta doesn't always play standard. yes i watched that game but if you watch nearly any of his other games you'll see what i'm talking about -_- I do agree actually. I'm just saying that he does do it, even if its too rare.
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On December 20 2008 16:43 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2008 15:22 wombo combo wrote:
If power rank were done today Leta would definitely be there over Sea. He's still undefeated in PL and 2-0'd Sea in the OSL. He's not undefeated,he even lost to fucking Backho man,Backho. It does'nt matter tho 'cause he is hot as hell lately.
Look at Qoo)Sunnys matchlist. He got his first win since 2005 against who ? I watched that game, and while Sunny was ahead throughout the game Leta looked very weak here. That's a long time ago though, before his hot run last season, and before his hot run this season. It is strange and cool at the same time how much a player can improve in such a short span of time.
Leta has been around for years though, and his eventual progaming-success was late compared to his other Sea companions who all experienced somewhat of a breakthrough within their first two years as progamers. Namely Jy, UpMagic and RuBy.
I knew about Leta all the way back from 2004 when he was an amateur, through his time in the foreign team oG where oG merged with the Sea team to win the foreigner tournament SCCL in the fall of 2005; they failed that mission(ToT won MYM 2nd), and received alot of penalties for not having control over their players. Iirc MidiaN busted UpMagic and FireFist playing tournament matches on Jangs ID when they werent even registered as oG players. It's notable that Leta lost against Fisheye in this event. After this Leta attained his progaming licence through the courage tournaments later in 2005, and finally getting drafted to the KOR team(now OGN Sparkyz) in early 2006. His first televised game came more than a year since arriving at the KOR house. There is no doubt Leta has worked really hard to be where he is right now given his slow start.
Leta is a wild card. Because his play relies on aggression and good micro, he isnt likely to keep up his perfomance. In this seasons match between Leta and BeSt on Chupung, BeSt had taught his lesson from their match in the summer. He successfully blocked every attempt of harass, and just 1a2a3a dominated Leta in the end. This is why I dont think he'll keep up his results. Like every other player who sticks out by winning alot of matches, he will get studied by his opponents closely, they will cover his styles on different maps and adapt accordingly. Like pointed out earlier in relation to the end of Flashs domination; he might get stuck in a pattern where he doesnt adjust his BOs to his opponents for each match, and turns on autoplay every match. The example with Flash was extreme given all the leagues he was participating in simultaneously, but this might be the same case with Leta if he performs in individuals. However he might prove everyone wrong and become a terran version of Kal so to speak, or he might experience a slump like the one his friend UpMagic had earlier this year.
Leta impresses me alot with his play, not only because it's entertaining, and very multitask oriented combined with good micro, but also because his decisionmaking is really good. This is why his TvT is great. He is like a mix of Lomo and UpMagic. His Lomoish tank/wraith play, and UpMagicish dropship based strategies define his mid-late game TvT and TvP, The latter being his trademark 1tank2vult drop TvP, and his attempt at two drops at different expos against BestGod on Medusa. Also the wraiths-vult play to some degree against zerg as shown vs Luxury recently.
Also his positioning is really good, you can see that he's actually trying to think ahead of his opponents with his movements, and buildingplacement.
He wins alot of lategames. Exampes are his recent PL matches against Hwasin, Stats, Canata, and Really - all recommended. Yes he often comes out ahead from the early-midgame due to harass or suitable buildorders, but instead of getting impatient and try to finish off his opponent asap, he stays focused and attempts to slowly outplay his opponent bit by bit with small skirmishes and good positioning. And hes successfull at it too.
He could be considered for power rank, but he still needs to do stuff in individuals first.
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On December 21 2008 09:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:
FS, did you watch Leta's game against Luxury? Leta doesn't always play standard.
no T goes standard on destination. mechbuilds/bunkerrushes/wraiths are more common than a standard SK terran. So going non-standard on Destination is like going standard on usualt maps.
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On December 21 2008 14:48 Guybrush wrote:
He could be considered for power rank, but he still needs to do stuff in individuals first.
are u sayin` that Leta doesn`t deserve a spot on the PR atm ? 
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