• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:02
CEST 08:02
KST 15:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
Travel Agencies vs Online Booking Platforms The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1406 users

Which Progamer is failing to meet expectations the most? -…

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
October 15 2008 17:31 GMT
#21
Mind is the most disappointing. After crushing Savior and Bisu in some very convincing games to win the MSL, he never really lived up to expectations. I really think he has the capability to beat any player on the planet, including Jaedong and Flash.

I've been a big fan of Mind since he won that MSL. When he wins, he wins in a big way. Mind fighting! Get the GomTV title!
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 17:50:21
October 15 2008 17:32 GMT
#22
Sea becourse i expected so much from him, but i guess he was never that good.

secondly flash, though i dont mind it.

EDIT: Why bisu? hes blown my expectations, i thought he was gone.
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
October 15 2008 17:37 GMT
#23
WTF ? Flash ? O_O
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
October 15 2008 17:51 GMT
#24
Flash is so disappointing because you know he has what it takes to straight up take down everyone. When you see a mediocre terran trying to lay down a slow push youre just like mannnn if flash were doing this it would be so much better.

when flash loses anymore so many of the time its due to some retarded BO that he choses.

right now if flash is going to play non standard, it should always be for an aggressive build, not a greedy one, because everyone is going hyper aggression on him (Yarnc's 9pool, Forgg's multiple 2 facs, Jaedong's 2 hatch in GOM, FBH's proxy ETC)
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 20:41:11
October 15 2008 17:55 GMT
#25
Flash easily. Luxury would be second.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 18:44:43
October 15 2008 18:42 GMT
#26
bisu makes this poll if it was like 9 or 10 months ago. he's actually good again, and arguably better than anyone else on the poll (who knows about flash and luxury)

also - why much? no shame in losing to bisu in both leagues, bisu's just a better pvp at this point.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
October 15 2008 19:31 GMT
#27
Flash for sure. Seems like he went from top 2 to top 10 material in like a month's time. I feel that Jaedong could slay him anyday, when a month ago I'd say it was a close tossup.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 19:51:40
October 15 2008 19:50 GMT
#28
Flash won a starleague and Sea has not. Flash has been past ro16 seven times. Sea is a dominant player with one of the best winrates in progaming and he has NEVER made it past the ro16.

Flash is in a slump which is natural for any progamer. Sea is a complete mistery.

Sea gets the vote easy.

edit: haha I see it now. The reason why Flash has so many votes is because of his numerous fans expressing their emotions based on just his past few games.
vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-16 07:38:13
October 15 2008 20:17 GMT
#29
I voted for Flash, but that was mostly for everyone here. Honestly, I called Flash's slump coming when he lost to Best's carrier rush build in PL last season, so I'm not surprised that he's not doing very well at the moment. I think he's still got a lot of potential, and hopefully we'll see him come back and be a very strong player in the future.

I should have voted for Sea. Sea is like Stork except he chokes sooner. >< Too bad, really, he's a really entertaining player to watch, and he could do really well, especially if he scouts the proxies in the future.

EDIT: where the hell is sAviOr on this list??
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 15 2008 20:22 GMT
#30
for this moment, its flash

in general (ie who was someone we thought would do a lot, but still hasnt) its luxury

he has a lot of talent (at one time, debatably the second best zerg), but he hasnt accomplished all that much with it
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
October 15 2008 20:24 GMT
#31
Other: Jaedong
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1601 Posts
October 15 2008 20:47 GMT
#32
Mind, he is one of my favourite terrans, but he keeps losing to mediocre progamers, while he is often able to crush top tier progamers, i just don't understand him - but i trust in him, even tho he isnt that big for now as i wished him, I'm sure he will become the progamer2beat one day
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 15 2008 21:24 GMT
#33
(T)Flash easy.

He... Just can't win since osl groups.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
October 15 2008 21:28 GMT
#34
On October 16 2008 05:24 zOula... wrote:
Other: Jaedong

What the? Where did this come from? How is Jaedong failing to meet expectations?
this is my quote.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
October 15 2008 21:31 GMT
#35
Flash went 3-0 vs. Julyzerg, Much, and Bisu in the osl.

Then he lost to GGplay at the next round?

Wow...
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 21:35:32
October 15 2008 21:33 GMT
#36
On October 16 2008 05:24 zOula... wrote:
Other: Jaedong

LOL?

IMO, it would have to be forGG. After beating Jaedong in MSL, everything seemed to go downhill for him. On the other hand, Jaedong recovered from it by pwning Flash hard in GOM.
But Flash definitely has not lost all his steam (yet)
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
pewpew
Profile Joined February 2008
United States132 Posts
October 15 2008 22:06 GMT
#37
I'd have to say Much. I understand that every once in a while he's going to try out some off the wall shit, like one base carriers vs. Bisu, and when he loses those games, its just kinda like "Oh, well at least that was interesting to watch. Good try." But when its a straight up and down game, standard builds, nothing cheesy, and he STILL loses? It upsets me. He can destroy Zerg if it came down to it. His most recent game vs. July proves that. So then why did he lose to somebody like Calm, all because of not scouting?
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
October 15 2008 22:52 GMT
#38
Flash. It's not even that he's playing badly; but my expectations for him are so high that 5-5 in the last 10 is a big disappointment.
May the BeSt man win.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
October 15 2008 23:29 GMT
#39
ForGG's doing fine, he just hasn't been doing a lot. Lecaf coach is holding him back from PL because he wants to develop at least two of Lomo/Backho/Hiya to the point where they can deliver wins consistently. ForGG just barely missed OSL by playing like 8 games in one day against excellent opponents. But he trashed his MSL group and then crushed Canata convincingly in the PL match against SKT1.

It has to be Flash. Given that he won an OSL and then dominated the pro scene for two or three months, watching him play now must be a huge disappointment.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8082 Posts
October 15 2008 23:31 GMT
#40

LAWL @ Flash 14CC vs Jaedong.

Though I voted Sea. Sea sucks everytime it matters. I'm sorry, and please don't ban me, but Sea doesn't have the nerves to be a great Starcraft gamer. He is just too emotive.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #19
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft590
NeuroSwarm 155
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5391
Sea 4848
JYJ 391
HiyA 82
NaDa 17
Bale 15
Noble 14
Icarus 3
League of Legends
JimRising 731
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1835
Stewie2K570
Other Games
summit1g13996
C9.Mang0255
monkeys_forever234
RuFF_SC20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick691
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH76
• Mapu5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1527
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 59m
Wardi Open
5h 59m
Monday Night Weeklies
9h 59m
Replay Cast
17h 59m
The PondCast
1d 3h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 4h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Flash vs Soma
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Patches Events
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
2026 GSL S1
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.