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Which Progamer is failing to meet expectations the most?

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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 14:05:25
October 15 2008 14:05 GMT
#1
I'm still waiting for Much to go berserk and win the MSL OSL and GOM at the same time ...
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
October 15 2008 14:09 GMT
#2
For me 'tis Flash.

I go inactive right after Flash defeats JD in Bacchus, then just came back during the Ro16 of Incruit. In between I've read that Flash was a monster, feared even by the best vTs, but right now . . . meh.

+ Show Spoiler [PL result earlier] +
14CC vs JD wtf!!!
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thor jton
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada62 Posts
October 15 2008 14:09 GMT
#3
On October 15 2008 23:05 raga4ka wrote:
I'm still waiting for Much to go berserk and win the MSL OSL and GOM at the same time ...


SAME
he'll so go godlike on everyones ass
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
October 15 2008 14:12 GMT
#4
stork by far?

unless it's about last weeks only, then it's flash, although I like the fact he's not accomplishing anything
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 15 2008 14:13 GMT
#5
On October 15 2008 23:12 ZBiR wrote:
stork by far?

unless it's about last weeks only, then it's flash, although I like the fact he's not accomplishing anything
How is stork under performing? He's an OSL semifinalist for the 123123 time (not sure if he's still in MSL). That means he's still one of the top gamers right now.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 15 2008 14:32 GMT
#6
Flash of course.

Get out of your "slump" now!
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
October 15 2008 14:35 GMT
#7
On October 15 2008 23:09 Felagund wrote:
For me 'tis Flash.

I go inactive right after Flash defeats JD in Bacchus, then just came back during the Ro16 of Incruit. In between I've read that Flash was a monster, feared even by the best vTs, but right now . . . meh.

+ Show Spoiler [PL result earlier] +
14CC vs JD wtf!!!

You missed him getting raped a few times by JD, Luxury, scrubs, etc.
He cried as well during + Show Spoiler +
Incruit when he lost to GGPlay
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 14:40:26
October 15 2008 14:37 GMT
#8
(T)Flash is unique in that he has consistently good micro, macro, and game sense, but consistently makes terrible strategic decisions, especially against Zerg. There are a few examples.

-Turret count. Flash seems to always want to build as few turrets as possible. Building a few more per game would raise his chances of victory by a great deal. See: final MSL group game vs Yarnc, game 1+2 gom finals

-Build order. I think whenever a Flash fan sees their hero 14cc, their heart catches in their throat. 14cc is a risky build that can lead to immediate defeat (see MSL semis vs forGG) or an insufficient economic advantage to make it worthwhile (see game 1 of GOM finals)

-Never cheeses: Flash recently cheesed against Bisu and won. You'd think that would make him cheese more often, but no. Tragically he refuses to relive his early, cheesy, glory days.

EDIT: oh, and he lost to ggplay on friggin' Plasma because he proxied instead of playing a straight up game. Now he is the proud owner of one half of terran's 2 losses v Zerg on that map.
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lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
October 15 2008 15:29 GMT
#9
Flash

is he slumping?

fck
fromis_9 enjoyer
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
October 15 2008 15:31 GMT
#10
Sea no doubt
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
October 15 2008 16:02 GMT
#11
(P)Much[gm] seems to be losing games he really shouldn't due to mistakes I'd expect from a much newer player. The worst was his last loss to 2 hatch muta rush vs calm. If he had even ATTEMPTED to scout with a probe or zeal after the 2 minute mark he would have scouted it and won the game. There were no lings or sunkens preventing a scout (they were attacking temples), so it would have gotten in and seen spire no question. His other recent losses weren't as bad but I felt they were all him beating himself instead of his opponent beating him.
I <3 서지훈
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 15 2008 16:07 GMT
#12
Sea[Shield].
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 16:09:44
October 15 2008 16:09 GMT
#13
On October 15 2008 23:37 motbob wrote:
(T)Flash is unique in that he has consistently good micro, macro, and game sense, but consistently makes terrible strategic decisions, especially against Zerg. There are a few examples.

-Turret count. Flash seems to always want to build as few turrets as possible. Building a few more per game would raise his chances of victory by a great deal. See: final MSL group game vs Yarnc, game 1+2 gom finals

-Build order. I think whenever a Flash fan sees their hero 14cc, their heart catches in their throat. 14cc is a risky build that can lead to immediate defeat (see MSL semis vs forGG) or an insufficient economic advantage to make it worthwhile (see game 1 of GOM finals)

-Never cheeses: Flash recently cheesed against Bisu and won. You'd think that would make him cheese more often, but no. Tragically he refuses to relive his early, cheesy, glory days.

EDIT: oh, and he lost to ggplay on friggin' Plasma because he proxied instead of playing a straight up game. Now he is the proud owner of one half of terran's 2 losses v Zerg on that map.


- No, infact that is turret placement, especially in the game vs Yellow,
- Agreed
- His glory days were not eaturing his cheeses, creative BO instead

Edit, He lost more than one game on Plasma, the previous one was in like a showmatch of KTF, right before the new season started, If it counts.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 15 2008 16:50 GMT
#14
COME BACK FLASH WE MISS YOU

haha did you know during the Ro8 of OSL when Flash lost to GGplay, more than 90% of the audiences just stood up and left?
dats racist
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
October 15 2008 17:00 GMT
#15
On October 15 2008 23:09 thor jton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2008 23:05 raga4ka wrote:
I'm still waiting for Much to go berserk and win the MSL OSL and GOM at the same time ...


SAME
he'll so go godlike on everyones ass

QFT
I like his play, wish he would just rampage through everything so I could see more from him ^^
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
October 15 2008 17:06 GMT
#16
(T)Sea[Shield]

Its only a matter of time before he passes the Ro16...
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
October 15 2008 17:06 GMT
#17
14CC against JD in an ACE match Flash?

Enough said.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
October 15 2008 17:21 GMT
#18
Seaaaa our fav player TT . TT


he needs to get it bak together b4 it's too late ==
ggyo...
ailouros
Profile Joined August 2008
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-15 17:23:04
October 15 2008 17:22 GMT
#19
On October 16 2008 02:06 Showtime! wrote:
14CC against JD in an ACE match Flash?

Enough said.

Sometimes I wonder if he does it for laughs.


Flash will be back

<3 <3 <3
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
October 15 2008 17:24 GMT
#20
Oh get the fuck out, toss fanboys. BISU IS SUCH A FAILURE

I mean look at him today: is this the guy that replaced the Maestro? Did he deserve to do that?

Flash IS disappointing also, but people just vote him because his style is really not all that spectacular, as Bisu's PvZ was when he was on top. I

mo, Bisu's been around for longer (at least he got in to the spotlights earlier) besides his first monts after EVER 2007 Spring OSL, he really failed to deliver.
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