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Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
October 16 2008 21:46 GMT
#61
Mind
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
October 16 2008 22:11 GMT
#62
did backho have any expectations to start with?
NuB.xE
Profile Joined September 2008
United States131 Posts
October 16 2008 22:30 GMT
#63
On October 16 2008 01:50 MrHoon wrote:
COME BACK FLASH WE MISS YOU

haha did you know during the Ro8 of OSL when Flash lost to GGplay, more than 90% of the audiences just stood up and left?


I don't -_-
Pwnage
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 16 2008 23:07 GMT
#64
On October 17 2008 07:30 NuB.xE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2008 01:50 MrHoon wrote:
COME BACK FLASH WE MISS YOU

haha did you know during the Ro8 of OSL when Flash lost to GGplay, more than 90% of the audiences just stood up and left?


I don't -_-


I really hate you.
Hi.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 16 2008 23:13 GMT
#65
Sea has been failing to meet expectations his whole career ... I don't see how a player that has already won an OSL got in there before him.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 16 2008 23:41 GMT
#66
Flash is so slumping right now.
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-17 00:16:27
October 17 2008 00:15 GMT
#67
I voted Sea because next to Boxer and Nada, he is probably my favourite player out there. He has great mechanics, and above all, has a lot of charisma, and it sucks to see him being knocked out repeatedly in the first rounds of every individual league. If there is something I want to see in 2009 (apart from Savior destroying everyone) it would be Sea stepping up to claim what is rightfully his - an OSL title.

Yum Bo Sung fighting!
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Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
October 17 2008 01:51 GMT
#68
Definitely flash, his recent games are just terrible.
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
October 17 2008 02:23 GMT
#69
Flash is only on that list because the expectations of him are way too high due to his insane success at such a young age.

I voted Sea. Despite being an obviously very skilled player, he has failed to accomplish anything, ever.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
October 17 2008 05:57 GMT
#70
TBH I don't get the purpose of putting Sea in this poll and I have mixed feelings about poll itself.
Is this supposed to help him that he fails anyone's expectations? How the 1st programer to do a TL Attack and even spend half a night doing it is there?

Have I missed some of his lost games or what? Even if so... what the hell? Did he gave up on progaming to be put there??
wwww
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
October 17 2008 05:57 GMT
#71
i think luxury!!! but we'll see
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
October 17 2008 06:19 GMT
#72
....no savior? =/ bias poll!
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Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
October 17 2008 13:56 GMT
#73
Definitely Sea. I would say that Flash is still up there like 2nd after Jaedong.

Sea hasn't done crap and didn't even show off his TL shirt yet. D:
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
October 17 2008 14:16 GMT
#74
sorry sea =/
Initial_H.C.
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada560 Posts
October 17 2008 14:22 GMT
#75
Luxury
- Not in the MSL
- Eliminated from Ro16 in OSL
- ProLeague currently doing well
- I would expect him to be in the MSL at least and should really be in Ro8 at least in the OSL

Bisu
- Still in MSL
- Lost to Stork in Ro8 @ OSL
- Still in Gom classic
- Completing 2/3 task is not a bad thing

Mind
- Not in MSL
- Lost to Fantasy in Ro8 @ OSL
- Still in Gom classic I believe
- He was a one time champion thing; I started to lose faith in him after several seasons so I kind of expected this poor performance

Flash
- Still in MSL
- Lost to GGPlay in Ro8 @ OSL is disappointing
- Still in GOM
- Expected him to be in the finals

Much
- Out of both individual leagues
- Disappointed he lost to FBH but expected him to lose in the group of death @ OSL
- I never expected him to go past Ro8 ever so he actually outperformed in my eyes

Sea
- This guy never gets past Ro8 huh?
- He's the kind of guy that I expect to finally make it to the top ranks

So out of Luxury, Flash and Sea.. I believe Sea is failing to meet expectations.
Luxury is doing well right now and should be able to bounce back in the next season.
Flash is still making it far.
Sea is not going anywhere still.
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
October 17 2008 15:55 GMT
#76
Where's Savior?
Recently, Flash has probably been the one that've failed living up to expectations the most. And that's because he's usually a very strong player.
Sea on the other hand is a player that noone really expects to do well, so he's not really a suitable alternative. Well, I guess that's because he's failed to live up to expectations so many times one wouldn't trust him to do well anywhere but PL, so he might be a good pick anyway...
1000 at least.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 17 2008 16:11 GMT
#77
Sea, definitely. After that, probably Bisu (although he's been showing promise lately, but I'm still not convinced), then Flash.
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
October 17 2008 16:21 GMT
#78
sea[shield]
Oh no
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
October 17 2008 19:32 GMT
#79
Sea without a doubt. Although FlaSh is a close second. But then again, Flash's expectations are uber high. Still gives him no excuse to give such disappointing games. 14CC everygame? Please...
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
October 17 2008 19:51 GMT
#80
Flash, he used to be so creative, now its just, blah.
#1 Flash Fan
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