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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 06 2008 10:36 jwd241224 wrote:
The only thing I really take issue with is putting Mind so low in the list. For someone who beat the number 2 ranked player twice and the number 3 once...isn't that a bit low?
Mind didn't exactly have the best record in May, but if you look at his schedule you'll notice it pretty much looks like a Power Rank - he's just been grinding and grinding against all of the top players in the game, with no break.
I'd like to see him at spot number four, I'm not really sure that Hwasin has been remarkable enough to earn that position.
Otherwise nice job! Mad props for giving BeSt the credit he deserves...the best Protoss in the world damn straight.
Well, I really adore Mind. He's my favourite new Terran, I even like him more than I like Flash. But, regardless of what I think about his play, he did just get knocked out of both leagues, and that hurts 
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great ranking. u could switch it up here and there, but overall, very good.
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NaDa Fightiiing and Im glad to see Hwasin back =)
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On June 06 2008 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 10:10 ScarFace wrote:
I disagree with some of your placements, but the general jist I cant argue with. Personally id say much is far too high. He should be at 8, and thats being generous. Mind should be going down, Hwasin should be up high, im just not too sure they should be in the extremes you gave them. Pure is a bit of iffy point for me- theres been a few up and coming PL players, and pure is just as viable as anyone of them, so theres no argument there, but theres not much support either.
All in all a good Power rank, just could do with a few slot changes here and there.
Edit: Someone grant Pure a picture. If he has earned 10 in PR, he deserves a face!
Edit2: Actually there are a few commentaries I disagree with: Kal does pose a threat to best, and [as much as one as can be conceivable at the moment] Flash. Not sure about Jaedong, im not sure of the state of his vp at the moment. As for Hwasin: His vt seems to be top notch again, his vp is improving- but he has zero chance to even challenge Flash in a series, hes simply not a threat at the moment for him. First, Pure gets the nod because of all the up-and-coming PL players with good records, only Pure is playing exceedingly well. Second, Kal is mincemeat the moment he has to play any of the four players above him. That's why he's below them. First, I'm not arguing against Pure being on the PR.
Secondly, Kal is not mincemeat against Hwasin or Jaedong. Kal lost in the MSL finals but he did extremely well in game 2 and 3, and took game 1. Jaedong would obviously be the favorite, but he would not be 'mincemeat'. As to Hwasin, Kal would dominate him. In Hwasins last 10 tvp, he is 2-8, Kal is 6-5. He looked significantly better while he did it, and three of those losses were to great players. FORGG was on fire, and then he lost to mind and Flash. Completely understandable, and he actually held his own in all the games.
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+I agree with you about Mind 0_0
+Best definetly deserves to be #3 or maybe #2 if he can beat Jaedong :D
+in my opinion i dont think Hwasin does deserve #4 his good and all but his not really impressive in the proleagues
+havent seen Kal do much lately.....
+about time Nada is back :D
+Sea.Pure is starting to be interesting :D
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 06 2008 10:56 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On June 06 2008 10:10 ScarFace wrote:
I disagree with some of your placements, but the general jist I cant argue with. Personally id say much is far too high. He should be at 8, and thats being generous. Mind should be going down, Hwasin should be up high, im just not too sure they should be in the extremes you gave them. Pure is a bit of iffy point for me- theres been a few up and coming PL players, and pure is just as viable as anyone of them, so theres no argument there, but theres not much support either.
All in all a good Power rank, just could do with a few slot changes here and there.
Edit: Someone grant Pure a picture. If he has earned 10 in PR, he deserves a face!
Edit2: Actually there are a few commentaries I disagree with: Kal does pose a threat to best, and [as much as one as can be conceivable at the moment] Flash. Not sure about Jaedong, im not sure of the state of his vp at the moment. As for Hwasin: His vt seems to be top notch again, his vp is improving- but he has zero chance to even challenge Flash in a series, hes simply not a threat at the moment for him. First, Pure gets the nod because of all the up-and-coming PL players with good records, only Pure is playing exceedingly well. Second, Kal is mincemeat the moment he has to play any of the four players above him. That's why he's below them. First, I'm not arguing against Pure being on the PR. Secondly, Kal is not mincemeat against Hwasin or Jaedong. Kal lost in the MSL finals but he did extremely well in game 2 and 3, and took game 1. Jaedong would obviously be the favorite, but he would not be 'mincemeat'. As to Hwasin, Kal would dominate him. In Hwasins last 10 tvp, he is 2-8, Kal is 6-5. He looked significantly better while he did it, and three of those losses were to great players. FORGG was on fire, and then he lost to mind and Flash. Completely understandable, and he actually held his own in all the games.
You need to be more aware of players forms right this very moment, and put less emphasis on statistics. Hwasin would rape Kal at this very moment. I believe it'd be a close series, but Hwasin would undoubtedly come out on top.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Rape & close series at the same time? Lay off the drugs steve 
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
All i would do is switch Nada and Mind and i agree 100% with this ranking
While Nada could possibly make Ro8, Mind has been playing a stronger game imo and that warrants his rank to be one higher
That is all
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On June 06 2008 11:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 10:56 ScarFace wrote:On June 06 2008 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On June 06 2008 10:10 ScarFace wrote:
I disagree with some of your placements, but the general jist I cant argue with. Personally id say much is far too high. He should be at 8, and thats being generous. Mind should be going down, Hwasin should be up high, im just not too sure they should be in the extremes you gave them. Pure is a bit of iffy point for me- theres been a few up and coming PL players, and pure is just as viable as anyone of them, so theres no argument there, but theres not much support either.
All in all a good Power rank, just could do with a few slot changes here and there.
Edit: Someone grant Pure a picture. If he has earned 10 in PR, he deserves a face!
Edit2: Actually there are a few commentaries I disagree with: Kal does pose a threat to best, and [as much as one as can be conceivable at the moment] Flash. Not sure about Jaedong, im not sure of the state of his vp at the moment. As for Hwasin: His vt seems to be top notch again, his vp is improving- but he has zero chance to even challenge Flash in a series, hes simply not a threat at the moment for him. First, Pure gets the nod because of all the up-and-coming PL players with good records, only Pure is playing exceedingly well. Second, Kal is mincemeat the moment he has to play any of the four players above him. That's why he's below them. First, I'm not arguing against Pure being on the PR. Secondly, Kal is not mincemeat against Hwasin or Jaedong. Kal lost in the MSL finals but he did extremely well in game 2 and 3, and took game 1. Jaedong would obviously be the favorite, but he would not be 'mincemeat'. As to Hwasin, Kal would dominate him. In Hwasins last 10 tvp, he is 2-8, Kal is 6-5. He looked significantly better while he did it, and three of those losses were to great players. FORGG was on fire, and then he lost to mind and Flash. Completely understandable, and he actually held his own in all the games. You need to be more aware of players forms right this very moment, and put less emphasis on statistics. Hwasin would rape Kal at this very moment. I believe it'd be a close series, but Hwasin would undoubtedly come out on top. I don't just look at statistics, it was just an easy example. Hwasin has not played that many vp's lately, and hes only starting [read last two months or so] to come back into form. I would not throw him that much in consistency yet, especially in a match up hes historically been mediocre at [beyond brief periods of course].
Kal vs Flash is a good showing of Kals skill in pvt. Now, he got mangled. But everyone gets mangled against Flash. The very fact that Kal went 20+ minutes and threw back Flash's assaults numerous times shows hes strong in that match up, one of the best in fact. The same can not be said for Hwasin.
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WOOOT PURE THE SKATER TOSS MADE IT TO PR!!!!! I love this kid, he plays like a champ sometimes and hes got damn nice lookin hair like a skater ^^. All 3 of the WeMade Fox Trio are up there this month!
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Much for #1 because of the game vs FBH XD
And funny thing when you said "good to see a new face" with Pure, when he has no face for TLPD =p
Also how SKT1 bought Bisu, who then started to suck and Best exploded.
Finally, where's Daezang? I thought he performed pretty damn well the past month. I think he deserves CBNC at least.
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Whoa, Hwasin was a surprise to me. I haven't watched many of his games recently, so I'll have to check them out. Otherwise I can't really argue with this PR except that Much should get some mention of his total badassery.
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I actually agree, mostly. I'd put July over Lux b/c I wouldn't forgive selection mistakes (don't pick former OSL/MSL winners, folks~!); I'm suprisied that Much outranks anybody but he did win his tiebreaker over FBH in a convincing fashion but it looks like you didn't take those results into your writeup. He's been inconsistent as hell. I'm not a fan of the Hwsain option, but he took out Nada, so I guess it makes sense that he's ranked higher.
Anyways, nice PR Fakesteve.
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Much should be #1
HEART > POWER RANK
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I have a few bones to pick with this list.
I think Mind is kind of low. You said yourself that he's a monster capable of annhilating anyone even if he doesn't always do so. My understanding is that PR is not a ranking of accomplishments, but an attempt to rank players based on skill. Even during this past month Mind has proven himself against all 3 races. A hiccup in forgetting siege, losing to Bisu in the only game that Bisu actually played like a 2 time champ in this month, and then getting stuck with Flash are what kept him out of leagues. Bad luck.
Meanwhile, Much has traded in luck, but his shabby 6-8 record has "earned" him a #6 spot. I fully appreciate the importance of major league events and I've always favored those games over PL (hence why Sea never meant that much to me even though his play almost always looks rock solid), but Much is playing like dogshit most of the time. I was a fan of Much when he was totally underrated, but right now I'm resentful that he's getting spots when other players who played better and had much worse luck are already out.
If it were just the record, I could understand Much's placement, but on top of everything he's traded in luck when he's not showing us his best. He looked so much more solid in January of this year. So, so, so much more so. When he loses, he gets trampled. Half his wins I'm embarrassed to say he won. Only yesterday's games made me feel more like "this is the Much I loved."
Lucifer should have been above Pure. It's easier to look good against worse players.
ForGG didn't even get CBNC? This kid is on fire right now. -_-;;
Free didn't even get CBNC? He's hot right now.
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much should be #1 for embarrassing FBH so thuroughly. Although its not hard to make the lil guy cry.
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Interesting placement of Mind, I'm not sure where I would place him yet but I noted that. I do think fOrGG deserves a mention in CBNC, though.
On another note, since you've watched like fifty bajillion protoss games, do you really think Bisu's injury is what's dragging him down now? I haven't seen many of his games this month, so Im wondering if you think he's going the way of Storky-boy.
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NO STORK??? NO JANGBI??? NO BISU???
HALLELEUJAH!!!!!
and I wouldn't put nada above mind, but no more boring protoss tyrants!! Can't complain!!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 06 2008 11:15 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Interesting placement of Mind, I'm not sure where I would place him yet but I noted that. I do think fOrGG deserves a mention in CBNC, though.
On another note, since you've watched like fifty bajillion protoss games, do you really think Bisu's injury is what's dragging him down now? I haven't seen many of his games this month, so Im wondering if you think he's going the way of Storky-boy.
There's a significant drop in Bisu's play when he plays Zero, which is the first game he played with his injured hand. It probably has a mental impact on him as well, but there is definitely a noticable chance because of it.
forgg doesn't get a mention because forgg qualifies for shit every so often and then gets rolled when he has to play someone good. he's won a few games, yippee skippee. If he beats Sea, it won't be because he's playing particularily well himself. He's stayed pretty much constant, stagnating even, for like two years. He has great macro, terrible game sense, and sometimes it works out a bunch of times in a row. He isn't anything special and he's definitely not 'on the rise towards becoming a new and improved forgg'. He's still a one-dimensional player, and I don't put filler on the Power Rank.
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On June 06 2008 11:10 Mortality wrote:
I have a few bones to pick with this list.
I think Mind is kind of low. You said yourself that he's a monster capable of annhilating anyone even if he doesn't always do so. My understanding is that PR is not a ranking of accomplishments, but an attempt to rank players based on skill. Even during this past month Mind has proven himself against all 3 races. A hiccup in forgetting siege, losing to Bisu in the only game that Bisu actually played like a 2 time champ in this month, and then getting stuck with Flash are what kept him out of leagues. Bad luck.
Well, I see where you're coming from. You and I seem to put different levels of importance on certain things. Mind is a player who can beat anyone at any time. As such, when he's given two leagues to play in, I fully expect him to move past the round of 16 in at least one. The Power Rank is about displaying your skill as much as it is about having that skill to begin with. That's why Sea gets the boot when he starts playing bad. Mind isn't playing bad, but all the players above him have had more favorable results under the same circumstances. As far as Much is concerned, let's not forget how Mind got eliminated from OSL!
Meanwhile, Much has traded in luck, but his shabby 6-8 record has "earned" him a #6 spot. I fully appreciate the importance of major league events and I've always favored those games over PL (hence why Sea never meant that much to me even though his play almost always looks rock solid), but Much is playing like dogshit most of the time. I was a fan of Much when he was totally underrated, but right now I'm resentful that he's getting spots when other players who played better and had much worse luck are already out.
These are good points, but again we seem to put different levels of importance on different things. Much has been awful in games that don't really matter, but he's made the round of 8 in both leagues by playing excellently in must-win situations.
Lucifer should have been above Pure. It's easier to look good against worse players.
Absolutely not. Lucifer is clever and aggressive, but Pure is a much better player. Lucifer's games don't look gimmicky to anyone else? Pure wins through mechanics and strong game sense, he's comparable to Best but not presently as respectable. Lucifer doesn't even compare.
ForGG didn't even get CBNC? This kid is on fire right now. -_-;;
"ForGG is on fire" is an oxymoron. This kid doesn't have win streaks, he has a bunch of coincidental victories in a row.
Free didn't even get CBNC? He's hot right now.
Free is fucking terrible. He's worse than Stork for christ's sake. Maybe when he gets further than the round of 8 in any league ever, he'll be Power Rank material. Seriously, you think a victory over fucking Light is justification for a Power Rank spot? Light is TERRIBLE.
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