Last month’s Power Rankings generated, well, <a href=http://www.teamliquid.net/powerrank/index.php?prid=1>extensive feedback</a>. As much as I would love to take CTStalker’s advice (“you should compile the flames and categorically mock them”), that is a task that is more suited to a full-length book than a mere news post. Rest assured, however, I read every comment in that thread and, true to my word, ignored most of them; they were really bad. There was, however, some truly terrific and thoughtful feedback, and I want those few posters who provided said feedback to know how much I appreciate it and how much it influenced this month’s ranking.
To begin, then, I have to preemptively answer the question that is about to flood the comments thread: “WHERES NADA OMG ??” Nada is off the list because he’s 3-6 since his OSL win, and those three wins have been against crappy opponents on imbalanced maps. He managed to “take down” Soo on Arkanoid, Pokju on Blitz, and Jy on Desert Fox. Then he lost to oov, Much (twice), Pokju, Daezang, and—get this—Mingu. And this is going to continue for at least a few months; it’s the OGN Curse, after all.
But that doesn’t matter, because there’s a new Terran to in town, and his name is Light[Alive]. He quietly waltzed into both Starleagues, not losing a single game in either the Survivor or Dual league, defeating Yellow[name], Shinwa, Mingu, GoRush, and Junwi in the process. He’s been MBC’s ace in the Proleague multiple times, consistently scoring big wins against strong opponents, and his Starleague performances so far have been solid. His only weak point, it would appear, is his TvT, and even it really isn’t that bad.
Midas has shown his usual dominant play—in the group stages, that is—against Savior and Light. Although the win over Savior was, in my most humble opinion a game that Savior would have won on practically any other map, it is still a win against Savior, and that’s hard to ignore. SKT1 has managed to piss me off, however, by disallowing their players from participating in more than one individual league, so I am demanding convincing performances from all SKT1 players in the coming weeks, given that they have two to three times the practice time of some of the busier players.
Much has been really, really strong lately, beating practically everyone in every situation. He’s been huge in the Proleague, and he’s doing well in both Starleagues. The only thing he hasn’t faced is a truly strong Zerg opponent. So while he’s untested in that realm, the guy is definitely on fire. He’s 16-5 since August.
I was really torn about putting Hwasin on the list, but with all his recent wins, he deserves it. The fact is that I just don’t think Hwasin is as good as the statistics imply. I’ve been flat-out amazed with how lucky he has gotten recently in terms of maps and matchups; he could scarcely pick better ones. But that said, his only hiccup as of late was his ace match loss against Silver in the Proleague. He’s in both Starleagues, and he’s currently 2-0 in both of them.
Up, despite the handicap of being on the worst professional team in Korea, is currently 2-0 in his OSL group. He's been moving nicely through the Survivor League, and he’s been eSTRO’s only semi-consistent Proleague win. His actual game play mechanics aren’t all that great, but he uses innovative strategies and generally intelligent play to make up for this potential shortcoming.
As for GGPlay, I have to respond to a few comments from last month with a question: what slump? A cheese loss against Pusan on Blitz, a ZvZ loss to Magma, and a bunker rush from ForGG is enough to call him slumping? The guy is still a beast across the board, and it’s going to take a lot more than the above games to convince me otherwise. I feel the same way about Savior: a few tough losses on tough maps to tough opponents just aren’t enough to discount everything else he brings—and has recently brought—to the table. Disclaimer aside, I do plan on keeping GGPlay under close observation. Although I don’t put too much stock in a loss here and there, the mini-run of them that he’s compiled as of late definitely has me raising an eyebrow.
Ra just won’t go away. Every week I root against him, and every week he defies me by winning. Be warned, Ra, I’m watching you. Anyway, he’s low on the list because there’s just not enough evidence to suggest that he belongs any higher. A couple MSL wins is nice and all—and the games were actually pretty compelling—but his Proleague and OGN results as of late have been non-existent. He’s only played four games since his MSL loss to Savior. Most of the players on this list have played at least twice as many games in that same span of time.
Casy is here not because there’s a large amount of compelling evidence to support his right to be here. Casy is here because he’s looking damn strong. He didn’t just beat Sea, Jaedong, GoodFriend, and Child: he dismantled them.
Pusan rounds out the list, and with good reason: he has come on strong as of late, going 6-3 against decent competition since November, and one of those losses was on Desert Fox. So I’m calling it 6-2.
That ends my really, really, really long essay regarding why these players are on this list. And if you think this was “overly long” or “too much,” remember: you asked for it.
Jaedong - You got positively fucked in your ODT and MSL draws, but I really do think you have top-tier talent. I'm looking for reasons to put you into the PR. Bisu - Pull yourself together, man. Silver - The win over Hwasin was nice, and you're still in the MSL. But that's just not enough. Chojja – If you think I hate Ra, you have no idea how much I hate you. Your play lately, however, has been half-decent. Keep it up, I guess. Anytime – Win a PvP, just once, you schmuck. Free - Your PvT is terrible.
Except for GGplay, ok you might not give too much weight to his recent losses but he hasn't won anything lately either. He is one of Hanbit's ace trio but they are out of PL and besides his win vs Iris, I don't see what else he accomplished.
But I don't really see with who I would replace him. Free (was doing as well as Much and has good PL recent results but collapsed in the last games losing 1st game in MSL but not out yet and not qualifying for OSL even after a nice win vs July in 1st game), Bisu (still in MSL and nice PL performance) or Jaedong as n°10 ?
1. Savior - Anything else would be stupid. When you've dominated for as long as he has, one or two lost games aren't a big deal. He's in big danger of losing the #1 place next month though, one game away from elimination in MSL and 0-1 in OSL.
2. Midas - I didn't think his performance against Savior was as good as people make it out to be, but he's so incredibly skilled. If he didn't have a game 4 jinx, he could be #1 right now.
3. Light - I still think his TvZ is overrated, and a lot worse than his TvP, but he's an amazing player. I'm expecting him to drop a few places next month though.
4. Much - Much rocks. With Anytime not performing well lately, he's the scariest Protoss around right now. He's a rookie, but plays more like an experienced veteran.
5. Hwasin - Unfortunately I have to agree with this pick as well. He has been incredibly lucky, but it's hard to ignore all his results lately. Still very unhappy to see him here, I have an inner resistance against putting a Terran on this list that lost to Silver.
6. Up - An unusual pick, but I like it. Looking forward to seeing more games from him.
7. GGPlay - Thank you. All who disagree, die , you just can't appreciate the awesomeness that is GGPlay.
8. rA - Last month's #9 for rA was harsh, this month #8 is rather flattering, seeing how little games he played. Skill-wise I think he definitely deserves it though, does anyone know why KTF is refusing to let him play regularly in Proleague?
9. Casy - If I had to make one change, I'd switch Hwasin with Casy. Casy has been looking incredibly strong lately. If only he had a decent TvP...
On December 29 2006 07:49 Orome wrote: 8. rA - Last month's #9 for rA was harsh, this month #8 is rather flattering, seeing how little games he played. Skill-wise I think he definitely deserves it though, does anyone know why KTF is refusing to let him play regularly in Proleague?
ra plays what he wants, when he wants.
cool rankings.. i've been waiting for this =) KUTGW
On December 29 2006 08:24 ~chut~ wrote: I wouldn't change Casy and Hwasin, Casy got destroyed by Savior, Hwasin won against him and was able to win a tvp (on desert fox, i admit :p)
Concepts of flukes or bgs never crossed your mind? Casy won't lose a single TvZ on Longinus I promise.. this whole OSL, Casy isn't losing a TvZ on Longinus.
Hwasin is still mediocre in my eyes. Yes he had one wicked timing rush vs Savior.. so what?
I cant help but think about JJu yelling at him after their 2v2 back in proleague when I see his nick. And when July destroyed him on Rush Hour with his mutas. 5th is too high for a player losing to Silvers ZvT.
That was 1 game. Hwasin is 2-0 in both starleagues.
In terms of recent performance, placing him any lower would be a joke. I agree that he's overrated and on a streak, but at the end of the day that just my opinion. As long as he's winning games he deserves his spot.
sea.up does not deserve to be on this list. a couple wins is nothing special and should not merit a spot.
GGplay has been getting raped left right and centre and does not deserve a spot either.
in their stead should be Bisu for his ace match win vs anytime as well as his dismantling of iris on RT. Gorush should be there too because he is damn consistent and has been doing good in the osl so far
Comming back to bw after a long MMO hiatus and rekindling my interest in the pro-scene I find these lists invaluable and the site as a whole professional and motivating to get back into shape, keep up the very very good work!
On December 29 2006 12:36 AlexanderTheGreat wrote: sea.up does not deserve to be on this list. a couple wins is nothing special and should not merit a spot.
GGplay has been getting raped left right and centre and does not deserve a spot either.
in their stead should be Bisu for his ace match win vs anytime as well as his dismantling of iris on RT. Gorush should be there too because he is damn consistent and has been doing good in the osl so far
On December 29 2006 12:58 Vo- wrote: Ra and Pusan should not be on this list. Period.
Thank god the normal tl.netter has no say in this.
On December 29 2006 12:36 AlexanderTheGreat wrote: sea.up does not deserve to be on this list. a couple wins is nothing special and should not merit a spot.
GGplay has been getting raped left right and centre and does not deserve a spot either.
in their stead should be Bisu for his ace match win vs anytime as well as his dismantling of iris on RT. Gorush should be there too because he is damn consistent and has been doing good in the osl so far
He is hot right now so he is on the list. His wins was really impressive if you ask me.His games wasn't even close that was RAPES. And IMO he is next big thing.
This list is very good almost perfect. My list would be like this.. 1.Savior 2.Midas 3.Light 4.Much 5.Hwasin 6.Bisu 7.GGPlay 8.Casy 9.Pusan 10.Ra But really I dont see how this list is going to clarify anything. If it is always going to be who is the top 10 "hot" players of the month then it will always be changing majorly especially the 5-10 spots. I think it should be raised to 15 or 20 because 10 is just too low.
^^I'm a fan of light's TvZ, but I think 3rd is a bit high. Light is better than Casy by 5 spots? And Hwasin is a bit confusing. On the one hand, he's on something of a hotstreak. On the other, he does suck. Between him and Casy, I'd pick Casy everytime. I can't help but think a lot of the players are on the list because no one knows who else should be on there. But that doesn't mean they deserve to be there.
On December 29 2006 08:24 ~chut~ wrote: I wouldn't change Casy and Hwasin, Casy got destroyed by Savior, Hwasin won against him and was able to win a tvp (on desert fox, i admit :p)
Concepts of flukes or bgs never crossed your mind? Casy won't lose a single TvZ on Longinus I promise.. this whole OSL, Casy isn't losing a TvZ on Longinus.
Hwasin is still mediocre in my eyes. Yes he had one wicked timing rush vs Savior.. so what?
No terran with some nice skills in tvz will ever lose a tvz on Longinus, don't worry =) And there's not only Casy there.
Concerning Hwasin, as for Midas winning against Savior, it's something you have to take ito account even if you think the win wasn't deserved. Casy got raped by Savior in the same month. Yes it's bo1 everytime, but that's all we have at the moment to get a ranking, so that's what i'll use for now.
On December 29 2006 12:36 AlexanderTheGreat wrote: sea.up does not deserve to be on this list. a couple wins is nothing special and should not merit a spot.
GGplay has been getting raped left right and centre and does not deserve a spot either.
in their stead should be Bisu for his ace match win vs anytime as well as his dismantling of iris on RT. Gorush should be there too because he is damn consistent and has been doing good in the osl so far
SeaUp is the coolest Terran in the OSL. I love that guy! Though I agree, he's new and hasn't shown us much yet. I also think there has been a minimization of GGplay's recent losses.
However, you're off on the other players you mentioned. Bisu won that ace match against Anytime right after anytime lost a pvp in that same series against pusan. Anytime was playing like crap, in fact, I hazard to guess that that proleague match was an even bigger factor than his OSL losses in dropping Anytime from the list. As far as iris goes, his tvp is utter shit. So basically, bisu beat up on two players that played terribly. He can't get a spot for that. He's non-existent in starleagues.
And gorush has been doing "good" in OSL? He won one game, again, against Iris the human punching bag. Other than that he's done nothing at all. Fact is, the guy hasn't even been playing many games because he's in only one SL (thanks a lot SKT1, morons) and his team blew it in PL.
I gotta say this DJ, I just caught your "no cigar" post (missed it til now for some reason) and it was friggin' hilarious!!!!!!
Easily my favourite part of PR. Don't you dare change the style you do it in. The more derisive the better.
Decent list, much better than the first one. Maybe the only thing I would consider is to put so much hated GF on that list. He is slowly going into owning mode, he is top 10 material.
(expecting to get 10xxx gf sucks replays) :flame shield on:
DJetterstyle: Are you korean (doubt it, considering your stated nationality), or do you know korean (again, I doubt it, because I've never seen you translate anything).
If you answered no to the two above questions, could you please tell me where you get your SC news? The same for people like Manifesto too. Vods?
On December 30 2006 06:52 -_- wrote: DJetterstyle: Are you korean (doubt it, considering your stated nationality), or do you know korean (again, I doubt it, because I've never seen you translate anything).
If you answered no to the two above questions, could you please tell me where you get your SC news? The same for people like Manifesto too. Vods?
I'm white, and I don't speak a word of Korean. I watch most games using the live streams. I download VODs of any games that I miss. I use HonestTea's posts and Google Translator (on OGN and MBCGame) to figure out when games are played.
On December 30 2006 07:06 MaGic~PhiL wrote: NaDa gets removed anytime gets removed savior stays at 1 ? - -v
rest is fine
Nada sucks he doesn`t have a win after he won OSL ? Anytime is even worse than him... he also lost in Proleague Playoffs and ruin his team after losing 2 games, one of it was the ace match . Savior lost only to hwasin and midas where his game vs midas was like top 1 zvt of the year.And He is still IN both leagues.And he will win at least one of the leagues or maybe both
I really can't understand people who think that Savior should not be #1. He lost one-two games. Did that people watch his games? As I can see in the game with Midas he was superior opponent but lost due to map. Go go Savior, own them all !!!
On December 31 2006 00:44 Plexa wrote: Actually, now that i think of it...
Goodfriend deserves to be on the list.. not pusan ;; imo best tvp in the world atm
Midas, until he shows some decline, has the best TvP in the world; he's had it for, well, a couple years now. Beyond that, I'd take absolutely every player on this list in a BO5 against GoodFriend. There's a reason Iris and GF are high on KeSPA and not here: they're always warm, never hot.
On December 29 2006 16:56 gg_hertzz wrote: ^^I'm a fan of light's TvZ, but I think 3rd is a bit high. Light is better than Casy by 5 spots? And Hwasin is a bit confusing. On the one hand, he's on something of a hotstreak. On the other, he does suck. Between him and Casy, I'd pick Casy everytime. I can't help but think a lot of the players are on the list because no one knows who else should be on there. But that doesn't mean they deserve to be there.
light is very good tvp, casy cant win a tvp to save his life. light's tvz is also very strong, maybe not the same level as casy's but pretty damn close. and light's 'weak' mu is tvt, where he just totally outperformed xellos. hwasins a bit more questionable, but light really isnt.
Just want to give some nice data here... The data in this power rank is based in...what a Korean Progamer does and if that thing he does is considered valuable...hes going to be in the rank... On the other hand... The data in Kespa Ranking is based in...accumulation of points from matchups...Korean style...as always...I love it...
On December 29 2006 11:24 Guybrush wrote: Hwasin..
I cant help but think about JJu yelling at him after their 2v2 back in proleague when I see his nick. And when July destroyed him on Rush Hour with his mutas. 5th is too high for a player losing to Silvers ZvT.
He is first in his groups in both OSL and MSL and you don't think he is hot atm?
Sure, but take Silver for example who got 2nd last MSL, yet he didnt get ranked in the previous ranking. Some players suck no matter how good results they produce, GF and Silver being prime examples. If you watch the VODs you'll understand this.
Yeah I mentioned that game earlier in this thread. I still have that VOD because they change to first person as the rape starts, and change back when the rape is done.
GoRush better be here next month. He's a lot better than many new faces you put here. He's still a regular and just because he doesn't do some 2 port fancy schmuck thing like Up doesn't mean he's worse.
On January 03 2007 08:33 SuperJongMan wrote: GoRush better be here next month. He's a lot better than many new faces you put here. He's still a regular and just because he doesn't do some 2 port fancy schmuck thing like Up doesn't mean he's worse.
I agree BUT this is a list of "Who's hot" not "who's good".
Used to be, back in the day, you needed to win more than your Dual group and two OSL group games to be recognized.
I mean, that's all he did right? You have to look at the quality of opposition.
Beating TT, JiHyun, Yellow[Arnc] (on Longinus 2!) and FireBatHero on an island map TvT. That does NOT deserve this kind of attention. Especially when done by a Terran. Come on Etter. He doesn't belong anywhere near that list.
There's been an UpMagic in every OSL since they switched to 24-players. A guy goes 3-0 in their group against lower opponents, and he gets bumped in the elimination tourneys against quality opposition. Think of Bisu from last OSL.
I do think UpMagic (and Bisu) will eventually be good enough to have deep runs, but for now, placing him 6th out of all the pros? Ninja Please.
Jaedong, man. Jaedong. You looking for a reason to put him in? Jaedong vs Light in the Proleague semis. Do the right thing.
On January 03 2007 17:37 HonestTea wrote: Used to be, back in the day, you needed to win more than your Dual group and two OSL group games to be recognized.
I mean, that's all he did right? You have to look at the quality of opposition.
Beating TT, JiHyun, Yellow[Arnc] (on Longinus 2!) and FireBatHero on an island map TvT. That does NOT deserve this kind of attention. Especially when done by a Terran. Come on Etter. He doesn't belong anywhere near that list.
There's been an UpMagic in every OSL since they switched to 24-players. A guy goes 3-0 in their group against lower opponents, and he gets bumped in the elimination tourneys against quality opposition. Think of Bisu from last OSL.
I do think UpMagic (and Bisu) will eventually be good enough to have deep runs, but for now, placing him 6th out of all the pros? Ninja Please.
Jaedong, man. Jaedong. You looking for a reason to put him in? Jaedong vs Light in the Proleague semis. Do the right thing.
I love posts like this. Keep them coming!
Up has done a little more than win his ODT group and go 2-0 in the OSL; he also cruised through his Survivor group was relative ease. He did drop a game to Shinwa on Blitz, but with all his wins as of late, I'm willing to overlook that on the grounds that Blitz is a pretty tough TvZ map and that Shinwa really isn't that bad ZvT. But if you look at Up's games lately, it's his sense that interests me, because as you point out, the quality of his opposition hasn't been that great. He's been playing really, really well, especially in TvT. That's going to be a big deal this OSL You should have access to more statistics than me, but you don't make an OSL and a Survivor League at the same time without winning a lot of games in a relatively short span of time. It's certainly not his fault that he hasn't played any really big names as of late, but beating Yellow[name]'s ZvT is a feat on any map, and Firebathero can be absolutely brilliant at times.
Speaking of maps, I'm sick of all this crying about Longinus 2; it just isn't that bad for ZvT. HitchHiker and Arkanoid are both worse. I'm not saying there's not a Terran advantage on Longinus 2, but I'm looking at it like Arcadia II: in this instance, the statistics simply don't reflect the map's balance. How long did it take for Terran to win a TvZ on Arcadia II? But the statistics leveled out after a while. Any map where a Zerg can secure two geysers by holding a ramp just can't be considered that bad ZvT. The map isn't all that narrow, and there is room for counters and flanks and such. Zergs will figure it out.
You might be right about Up losing in the RO16, but maybe not. Consider: it looks like he'll finish first in his group (or has he already clinched it?). That lets him, within reason, pick his opponent. And given the maps, I give him good odds against any Zerg but Savior, and he's capable of beating any Terran but Midas and Casy; they're probably too strong TvT. Then again, you just never know when Midas is going to break down, and Up has shown that TvT is definitely his ace matchup. Given his results, his actual play (which has been pretty impressive), and his potential for continued success, I don't think the #6 slot is unwarranted.
Dude, Up freaking UNDRESSED YellOw[ArnC] on Longinus 2. I was like DAAAAANGGGG DAAAAAAANGGGGGGGG. He went 1 rax CC, proxy fact snuck some vultures in, lifted off the factory and landed it INSIDE the base to vulture harass again and build two starports for wraith harass. His build order was uber sexy and perfectly executed. That game made me a bereever of Up.
DJEtter. You rock. This thing is really awesome. I waited anxiously for about a few weeks for the next Power Rankings to come out. The only bone I have to pick with you is your Descriptions for the top 10 are really brief. Instead of describing everything in the first post, why not put it in the actual description? You don't have to of course, just a suggestion. Otherwise, that was freaking sexy time.
On January 04 2007 13:22 jkillashark wrote: Dude, Up freaking UNDRESSED YellOw[ArnC] on Longinus 2. I was like DAAAAANGGGG DAAAAAAANGGGGGGGG. He went 1 rax CC, proxy fact snuck some vultures in, lifted off the factory and landed it INSIDE the base to vulture harass again and build two starports for wraith harass. His build order was uber sexy and perfectly executed. That game made me a bereever of Up.
DJEtter. You rock. This thing is really awesome. I waited anxiously for about a few weeks for the next Power Rankings to come out. The only bone I have to pick with you is your Descriptions for the top 10 are really brief. Instead of describing everything in the first post, why not put it in the actual description? You don't have to of course, just a suggestion. Otherwise, that was freaking sexy time.
On January 04 2007 13:22 jkillashark wrote: Dude, Up freaking UNDRESSED YellOw[ArnC] on Longinus 2. I was like DAAAAANGGGG DAAAAAAANGGGGGGGG. He went 1 rax CC, proxy fact snuck some vultures in, lifted off the factory and landed it INSIDE the base to vulture harass again and build two starports for wraith harass. His build order was uber sexy and perfectly executed. That game made me a bereever of Up.
I think progamers play too few games with too volatile results. one particular game in progaming is the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 at bats for a baseball player, or a drive in football. There are way too many variables and not enough trials to determine "power" just from 5 or 6 games. But then again progamer careers are very short, and the work intensive, so we can't expect too much out of any ranking.
i dont think people are understanding the nature of these power rankings
they are a transitory thing, and only apply to the last month or couple of weeks. its not a long term assessment of a player's skill, just who is hot right now.
to use your baseball at bats analogy, think of the power rankings as a highlights or "weekly mvp" for baseball or whatever, that CAN be decided by a few at bats. nothing wrong about that.
thats why anytime and nada were so high and suddenly disappear, they were favorites heading into this OSL but sucked it up so bam off the list
nothing wrong with upmagic being there, hes played amazing the last few weeks
The next one should see some drastic changes me think. + Show Spoiler +
how high will Sea.Up end up? o.O
to use your baseball at bats analogy, think of the power rankings as a highlights or "weekly mvp" for baseball or whatever, that CAN be decided by a few at bats. nothing wrong about that.
Yes, such a ranking is indeed something like that. Maybe what some of us perceive it as is like a fantasy draft of players that are going to be competing for the next few weeks (the players you would draft right now to win you matches) which is something different than just background neutrla performance. I mean any rookie can win weekly mvp, but you would not draft him in your fantasy league. But I know that the ranking was made on a rational basis of the player's form, even though over a few games, so I definitely respect it as what it is.
This time, I agree pretty fully with the list and Sephiroth85, -_-;; 85 = Too young to comprehend Andy's wisdom.
Hwasin, Up, Light, debatable but strong rookies. Hwasin, not so much but still he's good.
I still think GoRush is really too underrated. Come on man, It's GORUSH~. And next month, I can only imagine Casy at #2~ #3 maybe? You know it's gonna happen so why deny it?
If anything, these lists are too toss friendly, I know it hurts being a toss user... but 3 out of 10 being Toss in a current hot trend is laughable.. but I love etter so it's ok.
Savior, Midas, Casy~ next one. 1,2,3.. I'm calling it - -
On January 15 2007 07:49 SuperJongMan wrote: This time, I agree pretty fully with the list and Sephiroth85, -_-;; 85 = Too young to comprehend Andy's wisdom.
Hwasin, Up, Light, debatable but strong rookies. Hwasin, not so much but still he's good.
I still think GoRush is really too underrated. Come on man, It's GORUSH~. And next month, I can only imagine Casy at #2~ #3 maybe? You know it's gonna happen so why deny it?
If anything, these lists are too toss friendly, I know it hurts being a toss user... but 3 out of 10 being Toss in a current hot trend is laughable.. but I love etter so it's ok.
Savior, Midas, Casy~ next one. 1,2,3.. I'm calling it - -
Casy's place really depends on how well ppl like OOv, Up and Light do, because those three have three strong matchups and casy really only has two. (im not sure about Ups TvP though)
Sephiroth did you have some serious seizure or you just have down syndrome ? If the answer is negative in both cases then please tell me WHY THE FUCK DO YOU TYPE LIKE AN IDIOT ?!?
On January 16 2007 08:15 sundance wrote: Sephiroth did you have some serious seizure or you just have down syndrome ? If the answer is negative in both cases then please tell me WHY THE FUCK DO YOU TYPE LIKE AN IDIOT ?!?
It's annoying so stop it.
Seconded. It's got to be harder to type in "sephiroth85 english" than regular english so what's the point except to annoy people. I have no problem with you not liking the list or the snide comments but your dumb writing just makes me want to hate you.
Savior and Midas seem much better than the rest of this list right now and should definitely stay 1-2. Light won't be as super hot for much longer but he is good so maybe he'll just move down from the prestigious third position. Much problably shouldn't be 4th this month and will definitely drop next rank though I don't know who would have been a better fourth, although Toss's just can't cut it right now and keeping too many in the top 10 and too high like Much isn't helping their cause at all, it's just dumb.
Hwasin has been hot so I guess number five isn't so bad, though I wouldn't mind moving Casy to 7 and switching him with Hwasin. I don't think Hwasin is as good as the rest of these players, not yet anyway. Up, even worse than Light, is going to cool way down I think. GGPlay doesn't impress me at all, hopefully GoRush will prove he's better. Nal_rA is probably the second best toss to Much right now but that doesn't deserve a top 10. Casy will move up. He is awesome. Other than savior and Midas I'm liking Casy's skill the most on this list right now and I think he'll be moving up next month. Pusan shouldn't be on this list, I admit I don't like him that much but I also don't think he's showing that much that deserves top10.
I really don't know who would replace some of the people I think shouldn't be on the list though. I think the problem is that there is a big distinction between savior at number 1, midas at 2, and the rest of the pack. Here's a picture of the discrepancy in skill level:
savior -------------------- midas -------------- rest of top 10 -----------
I think... if any toss is on that list... It's between Ra and Much. However, CJ lost their PL, and Ra has been an MSLer forever. Since he hadn't made a individual league in 2+ years awhile ago, he has become a MSL staple.
Besides that, GoRush really deserves a place on the list.
And maybe if Jaedong didn't get assfucked in the most ridiculous groups for qualification and such. Hahahaha, the kid had to practically play opponents that make a lot of semi-finals look weak so I can excuse him for not showing up anywhere with PL over and his individual league performances shut down.
Besides that, I know Casy will be #3 soon -_-;; I'll put my forum membership on the line for that.
On January 16 2007 16:40 SuperJongMan wrote: Besides that, I know Casy will be #3 soon -_-;; I'll put my forum membership on the line for that.
Yeah, he's definitely on the rise. He's actually my pick to win the OSL, and I'm pretty confident that, at the very worst, he'll make the semis. The problem is that there just aren't any Ps out there to shut him down, so--for this OSL, anyway--he's going to look a little stronger than he actually is.
...;; Casy's Photo is not him. (in photo)he's ID is 'Really[Alive]' and 'Longinus&Longinus2' TvsZ Record is 23:3 (2007.1.03) just losing in 'Longinus' Terran is stupid..
I didn't know this feature was meant for news reporters to bash & flame on people sharing their thoughts. I thought this feature was meant to bring discussions. All I see is people TRYING to share their views on the matter and a couple of larger-than-life blue names teaming up against them. Way to make a successful feature you jack-asses.
Good, controversial posts like HonestTea's will bring good discussions. Are you really demanding we respond to every ludicrous post in this thread completely seriously?
I see your point though, and I'll try responding in a nicer way.
On January 21 2007 18:25 M.Lurker wrote: ...;; Casy's Photo is not him. (in photo)he's ID is 'Really[Alive]' and 'Longinus&Longinus2' TvsZ Record is 23:3 (2007.1.03) just losing in 'Longinus' Terran is stupid..
Whatever, Midas is infallible. He chose Savior to win.
I'd like Yellow Name to get some credit, Etterbomb will not tolerate that man. Just wait... his ZvT and new and improved ZvZ are definately worth merit. OSL = vT and vZ gosus... vP, uber dog chobo.
1 - Savoir No question here, he keeps dominating and he's even starting to show he can win changing his play style. I'm not a Savior fan but I must admit he's good. 2 - Casy He hasn't played any TvP in a while so his stats are good ! Hasn't lost a game since the one vs Savior in Dual tournament 3 - Sea.Up Still being impressive and original. Like his game vs Aqua with his vulture raids. He is 1-1 vs Nada in OSL and is one bo3 away from qualifying the next MSL. His last game vs Nada next week will tell us if he deserves this spot or not ! 4 - Midas Still strong but lost a few key games like the one in Proleague vs Pusan and his 1st game vs Savior. 5 - Bisu Doing really well in MBC SL, His team on the Title 6 - July He's back. He demonstrated very good games in Proleague defeating Xellos and Oov. If MBC got the title it's mostly thx to July in these last 2 matches. He also just qualified for the next MBC SL. The only shadow is his games vs Casy but that's not really the easiest fellow to beat in ZvT 7 - Nal_Ra Still only a few games but his reavers vs Xellos where art 8 - Zergman No idea right now but he deserves that place 9 - Iris One of the strongest TvT's around and he just proved it qualifying for Ro8 in OSL. His team lost vs MBC but he was one of the 2 points aquired (with Savior...) 10 - Much Lost his steam but is still in there like he showed us in his 1st game vs Gorush with his sexy proxy reaver.
Almost in : Light : Still in MBC tournament but crumbled for the second time in a row in the OSL group stage Gorush : I really wanted to put him in there but he lost the ace match for SKT1 and as of right now is losing his Ro16 vs Much Sea, Pusan ? MBC just won the title so they can't have been doing that bad
Beamo posted his list, ill post who i think will be going up, and who will be going down! + Show Spoiler +
Goinggggg up! Zergman- in form, winning, and beating hwasin earns him a rank imo Bisu- everyone loves bisu, and he's in form! after trouncing anytime, he did lose to rainbow.. but has done well in MSL, beating light on terran friendly maps' so he'll get a low spot Nada- perhaps will get a low spot, he has been informish lately and is doing reasonbly in OSL... his game against up will show us whether he will be in or out Casy- In form, and strong.. should be going up imo Julyzerg- Also inform, clinching essential games in team leagues as well as ripping up survivor atm, despite losing to casy Goinggggg down! Midas- sure, he's strong... but losing to PuSan and Savior recently surely must result in a slight fall, probably to 5~ Hwasin- sorry bud, your time in the sun is over imo Light- slumping, and not quite the monster he was last month.. sea even played ace for him in finals.. and he lost his 2v2 game Much- i think he'll be slipping, unless he wins against gorush GGPlay- really needs to drop ;; imo Unsure; Pusan- losing against savior in a good game meant that he was K.O'd of MSL, meaning he doesnt get much game time, although he won a critical game against midas under pressure.. i think he deserves rank 9 or 10 on the this, but is capable of much much more (3 imo.. if he were in a league) Nal_Ra- Etter's hate of ra means that he'll probably stay about the same as he is now.. Up- either going up! or going down.. however i think nada is just doing a sync, and will lose to up due to curse.. i think up's brilliance is nearing an end... Superfight; the superfight will be the determining factor for alot of players imo, is pusan gets game time he probably will stay in the list (assuming he wins), as with alot of the players mentioned
On January 26 2007 04:30 Beamo wrote: One more week before the new Power ranking !
Here is Beamo's Pre-list :D :
1 - Savoir No question here, he keeps dominating and he's even starting to show he can win changing his play style. I'm not a Savior fan but I must admit he's good. 2 - Casy He hasn't played any TvP in a while so his stats are good ! Hasn't lost a game since the one vs Savior in Dual tournament 3 - Sea.Up Still being impressive and original. Like his game vs Aqua with his vulture raids. He is 1-1 vs Nada in OSL and is one bo3 away from qualifying the next MSL. His last game vs Nada next week will tell us if he deserves this spot or not ! 4 - Midas Still strong but lost a few key games like the one in Proleague vs Pusan and his 1st game vs Savior. 5 - Bisu Doing really well in MBC SL, His team on the Title 6 - July He's back. He demonstrated very good games in Proleague defeating Xellos and Oov. If MBC got the title it's mostly thx to July in these last 2 matches. He also just qualified for the next MBC SL. The only shadow is his games vs Casy but that's not really the easiest fellow to beat in ZvT 7 - Nal_Ra Still only a few games but his reavers vs Xellos where art 8 - Zergman No idea right now but he deserves that place 9 - Iris One of the strongest TvT's around and he just proved it qualifying for Ro8 in OSL. His team lost vs MBC but he was one of the 2 points aquired (with Savior...) 10 - Much Lost his steam but is still in there like he showed us in his 1st game vs Gorush with his sexy proxy reaver.
Almost in : Light : Still in MBC tournament but crumbled for the second time in a row in the OSL group stage Gorush : I really wanted to put him in there but he lost the ace match for SKT1 and as of right now is losing his Ro16 vs Much Sea, Pusan ? MBC just won the title so they can't have been doing that bad
There's no way Upmagic is going to be number 3, he might even be off the list. The more I watch his play the less impressed I am by it; I just don't think he's that good right now, definitely not top 3. I think people are giving him too much credit for creativity because they miss Boxer or something? At least you acknowledge savior is the best . When's the last time he lost a game other than that dumb one on Desert Fox against Bifrost? Yeah he rules.
On January 26 2007 04:30 Beamo wrote: One more week before the new Power ranking !
Here is Beamo's Pre-list :D :
1 - Savoir No question here, he keeps dominating and he's even starting to show he can win changing his play style. I'm not a Savior fan but I must admit he's good. 2 - Casy He hasn't played any TvP in a while so his stats are good ! Hasn't lost a game since the one vs Savior in Dual tournament 3 - Sea.Up Still being impressive and original. Like his game vs Aqua with his vulture raids. He is 1-1 vs Nada in OSL and is one bo3 away from qualifying the next MSL. His last game vs Nada next week will tell us if he deserves this spot or not ! 4 - Midas Still strong but lost a few key games like the one in Proleague vs Pusan and his 1st game vs Savior. 5 - Bisu Doing really well in MBC SL, His team on the Title 6 - July He's back. He demonstrated very good games in Proleague defeating Xellos and Oov. If MBC got the title it's mostly thx to July in these last 2 matches. He also just qualified for the next MBC SL. The only shadow is his games vs Casy but that's not really the easiest fellow to beat in ZvT 7 - Nal_Ra Still only a few games but his reavers vs Xellos where art 8 - Zergman No idea right now but he deserves that place 9 - Iris One of the strongest TvT's around and he just proved it qualifying for Ro8 in OSL. His team lost vs MBC but he was one of the 2 points aquired (with Savior...) 10 - Much Lost his steam but is still in there like he showed us in his 1st game vs Gorush with his sexy proxy reaver.
Almost in : Light : Still in MBC tournament but crumbled for the second time in a row in the OSL group stage Gorush : I really wanted to put him in there but he lost the ace match for SKT1 and as of right now is losing his Ro16 vs Much Sea, Pusan ? MBC just won the title so they can't have been doing that bad
There's no way Upmagic is going to be number 3, he might even be off the list. The more I watch his play the less impressed I am by it; I just don't think he's that good right now, definitely not top 3. I think people are giving him too much credit for creativity because they miss Boxer or something? At least you acknowledge savior is the best . When's the last time he lost a game other than that dumb one on Desert Fox against Bifrost? Yeah he rules.
Savior lost to Hwasin on Longinus2 and to Midas on HitchHiker
Up off the list ? Maybe not n°3 but clearly on the list. The only games he lost were vs Nada and now he's 1-1 and vs Shinwa but he still managed to get out of his MSL Survivor group.
On January 26 2007 04:30 Beamo wrote: One more week before the new Power ranking !
Here is Beamo's Pre-list :D :
1 - Savoir No question here, he keeps dominating and he's even starting to show he can win changing his play style. I'm not a Savior fan but I must admit he's good. 2 - Casy He hasn't played any TvP in a while so his stats are good ! Hasn't lost a game since the one vs Savior in Dual tournament 3 - Sea.Up Still being impressive and original. Like his game vs Aqua with his vulture raids. He is 1-1 vs Nada in OSL and is one bo3 away from qualifying the next MSL. His last game vs Nada next week will tell us if he deserves this spot or not ! 4 - Midas Still strong but lost a few key games like the one in Proleague vs Pusan and his 1st game vs Savior. 5 - Bisu Doing really well in MBC SL, His team on the Title 6 - July He's back. He demonstrated very good games in Proleague defeating Xellos and Oov. If MBC got the title it's mostly thx to July in these last 2 matches. He also just qualified for the next MBC SL. The only shadow is his games vs Casy but that's not really the easiest fellow to beat in ZvT 7 - Nal_Ra Still only a few games but his reavers vs Xellos where art 8 - Zergman No idea right now but he deserves that place 9 - Iris One of the strongest TvT's around and he just proved it qualifying for Ro8 in OSL. His team lost vs MBC but he was one of the 2 points aquired (with Savior...) 10 - Much Lost his steam but is still in there like he showed us in his 1st game vs Gorush with his sexy proxy reaver.
Almost in : Light : Still in MBC tournament but crumbled for the second time in a row in the OSL group stage Gorush : I really wanted to put him in there but he lost the ace match for SKT1 and as of right now is losing his Ro16 vs Much Sea, Pusan ? MBC just won the title so they can't have been doing that bad
There's no way Upmagic is going to be number 3, he might even be off the list. The more I watch his play the less impressed I am by it; I just don't think he's that good right now, definitely not top 3. I think people are giving him too much credit for creativity because they miss Boxer or something? At least you acknowledge savior is the best . When's the last time he lost a game other than that dumb one on Desert Fox against Bifrost? Yeah he rules.
Savior lost to Hwasin on Longinus2 and to Midas on HitchHiker
Up off the list ? Maybe not n°3 but clearly on the list. The only games he lost were vs Nada and now he's 1-1 and vs Shinwa but he still managed to get out of his MSL Survivor group.
On January 26 2007 04:30 Beamo wrote: One more week before the new Power ranking !
Here is Beamo's Pre-list :D :
1 - Savoir No question here, he keeps dominating and he's even starting to show he can win changing his play style. I'm not a Savior fan but I must admit he's good. 2 - Casy He hasn't played any TvP in a while so his stats are good ! Hasn't lost a game since the one vs Savior in Dual tournament 3 - Sea.Up Still being impressive and original. Like his game vs Aqua with his vulture raids. He is 1-1 vs Nada in OSL and is one bo3 away from qualifying the next MSL. His last game vs Nada next week will tell us if he deserves this spot or not ! 4 - Midas Still strong but lost a few key games like the one in Proleague vs Pusan and his 1st game vs Savior. 5 - Bisu Doing really well in MBC SL, His team on the Title 6 - July He's back. He demonstrated very good games in Proleague defeating Xellos and Oov. If MBC got the title it's mostly thx to July in these last 2 matches. He also just qualified for the next MBC SL. The only shadow is his games vs Casy but that's not really the easiest fellow to beat in ZvT 7 - Nal_Ra Still only a few games but his reavers vs Xellos where art 8 - Zergman No idea right now but he deserves that place 9 - Iris One of the strongest TvT's around and he just proved it qualifying for Ro8 in OSL. His team lost vs MBC but he was one of the 2 points aquired (with Savior...) 10 - Much Lost his steam but is still in there like he showed us in his 1st game vs Gorush with his sexy proxy reaver.
Almost in : Light : Still in MBC tournament but crumbled for the second time in a row in the OSL group stage Gorush : I really wanted to put him in there but he lost the ace match for SKT1 and as of right now is losing his Ro16 vs Much Sea, Pusan ? MBC just won the title so they can't have been doing that bad
There's no way Upmagic is going to be number 3, he might even be off the list. The more I watch his play the less impressed I am by it; I just don't think he's that good right now, definitely not top 3. I think people are giving him too much credit for creativity because they miss Boxer or something? At least you acknowledge savior is the best . When's the last time he lost a game other than that dumb one on Desert Fox against Bifrost? Yeah he rules.
Savior lost to Hwasin on Longinus2 and to Midas on HitchHiker
Up off the list ? Maybe not n°3 but clearly on the list. The only games he lost were vs Nada and now he's 1-1 and vs Shinwa but he still managed to get out of his MSL Survivor group.
Well I wasn't counting those two games.
Well if U don't count the games where he loses, the yeah any player looks strong
On January 26 2007 15:36 [Carlodajin] wrote: NaDa and AnyTime[gm] should be on the list...but for djetter they arent performing as expected T_T...I hope they comeback for the next power rank...
Maybe Nada should be on the next list but Anytime hasn't done anything lately so although he's good he's not hot right now.
On January 26 2007 15:36 [Carlodajin] wrote: NaDa and AnyTime[gm] should be on the list...but for djetter they arent performing as expected T_T...I hope they comeback in the next power rank...
Anytime has absolutely no place on this list... NaDa, maybe (if he beats up)
My opinion on next PR... of course this weeks games will effect it but...
1- Savior. No need to Justify. Superfight says it all AGAIN. 2- Midas. WHat?!?! Midas LOST?!?! HOW?!?! O.. he swapped bases with Savior.. ok.. close, bad mistake. O... Pusan proxy reaver'd him and cheesed... damn... Midas is slipping... o wait.. no he's not. 3- Much - You are HOT man HOT. Rough brackets, but if he beats GR, then.. he faces elimination next from Midas or Savior... Still, it's so refreshing to see what is, in my eyes, a true protoss hope. 4- Casy - What can I say? He's staying true to my predictions.. He is at LEAST semi-finals this OSL. Undefeated so far in OSL, stay that way my baby boy~ <3<3 5- Iris. What? In a all terran OSL, you are gonna tell me #1 TvT isn't at least somewhere on the list? 6- Light - Whatever, you're a fag but you play good games... Just prove your TvT and TvZ to me. TvZ I still am doubtful of.. I mean, yay.. he crushed Chojja -_-; 7- Ra - .. Whatever, the guy doesn't let an MSL go without him. 8- Upmagic - Good games so far... GJ kid, keep it up. 9- GGPlay - I still think he was underranked from last time... but... He's only facing FBH and it's 1-1. 10- July - Sucks to run into Casy huh? But since the last PR, his play has been much better, despite his losses and elimination to Casy (Playing the prophet here), It was him or... .... Yeah.. July seems a reasonable #10 to me. His role in MBC's PL victory was undeniable.... although everyone beats Xellos nowadays.
Maybe Bisu too.. but that's 3 toss on the list.. Toss don't deserve 3 spots on a top 10 list nor is he better than Ra or Much... Maybe July should be Bisu instead...
JaeDong~~~~ Come backkkk OMG I wish this kid was in a starleague... I still can't get over how shit his brackets were. Such unfortunate events.. I await the day Jaedong hits top 5 on PR.
I am going to have to reluctantly agree that Upmagic and GGplay both looked strong in their last OSL game so kudos to them for staying on the list (most likely).
On January 28 2007 10:05 SuperJongMan wrote: My opinion on next PR... of course this weeks games will effect it but...
1- Savior. No need to Justify. Superfight says it all AGAIN. 2- Midas. WHat?!?! Midas LOST?!?! HOW?!?! O.. he swapped bases with Savior.. ok.. close, bad mistake. O... Pusan proxy reaver'd him and cheesed... damn... Midas is slipping... o wait.. no he's not. 3- Much - You are HOT man HOT. Rough brackets, but if he beats GR, then.. he faces elimination next from Midas or Savior... Still, it's so refreshing to see what is, in my eyes, a true protoss hope. 4- Casy - What can I say? He's staying true to my predictions.. He is at LEAST semi-finals this OSL. Undefeated so far in OSL, stay that way my baby boy~ <3<3 5- Iris. What? In a all terran OSL, you are gonna tell me #1 TvT isn't at least somewhere on the list? 6- Light - Whatever, you're a fag but you play good games... Just prove your TvT and TvZ to me. TvZ I still am doubtful of.. I mean, yay.. he crushed Chojja -_-; 7- Ra - .. Whatever, the guy doesn't let an MSL go without him. 8- Upmagic - Good games so far... GJ kid, keep it up. 9- GGPlay - I still think he was underranked from last time... but... He's only facing FBH and it's 1-1. 10- July - Sucks to run into Casy huh? But since the last PR, his play has been much better, despite his losses and elimination to Casy (Playing the prophet here), It was him or... .... Yeah.. July seems a reasonable #10 to me. His role in MBC's PL victory was undeniable.... although everyone beats Xellos nowadays.
Maybe Bisu too.. but that's 3 toss on the list.. Toss don't deserve 3 spots on a top 10 list nor is he better than Ra or Much... Maybe July should be Bisu instead...
JaeDong~~~~ Come backkkk OMG I wish this kid was in a starleague... I still can't get over how shit his brackets were. Such unfortunate events.. I await the day Jaedong hits top 5 on PR.
Much #3 seems a bit high. Yes, he's hot, but he hasn't really played enough games this month to justify the #3 position. I'd actually put Casy on there, I can't believe I'm rating him higher than you are. :p
If you go only by results, Light hasn't done anything this month. Dropped out of OSL, lost his grand final 2v2, won vs Silver..., lost his series against Bisu.
If he's still on the list, it's because he did play well against Bisu, but #6 is definitely too high.
Iris definitely has to be on the list, he's awesome.
GGPlay's lucky if he's still on the list. He's definitely still top ten in skill, but his results haven't been too good.
You're forgetting Pusan. I dislike him too, and yes, he did fluke his way to a win against Midas, but you can't just ignore all his results.
I don't quite follow all the leagues closely enough to compile a complete and DJ-esque ranking, however based on his games vs Light I think Bisu has earned a place among recent well-to-doers. I really enjoy watching his play in the first-person; in a world comprised of flurries of commands and brief snippets of rapidly alternating perspectives, and where blinding speed is the norm, he's able to make me remark about his speed in the most astounding fashion.
Iris deserves a low spot (and thats being generous) after being totally dismantled by keke, despite having a large advantage in game 1, and playing on longinus II in game 2
1. sAviOr. Self explanatory. 2. Casy. He wins games. A lot. 3. Midas. He's still doing fine, but in the past month, not as inspiring. Some stupid losses in prroleague. 4. Zergman. Shut out Hwasin on imba T>Z maps? Wild. 5. Nal_rA. XellOs didn't stand a chance. 6. Much. He's the only toss in OSL left. 7. July. That dismantling of XellOs was enough, really, but his OSL games have been good too. 8. PuSan, for solid and consistent proleague play. 9. NaDa. Defeated the curse, played a killer TvT with all that BC stuff. 10. BoxeR, for bringing sexy back and being 2-0 with half as much practise time [if even that] as other progamers.
Iris deserves a low spot (and thats being generous) after being totally dismantled by keke, despite having a large advantage in game 1, and playing on longinus II in game 2
I could care less about Iris's TvZ, he can still beat Zergman... I think... But his TvT and prior performances are strong.. he just HAD to have a shit TvZ series right as I rank him.. go figure.
On January 26 2007 04:30 Beamo wrote: One more week before the new Power ranking !
Here is Beamo's Pre-list :D :
1 - Savoir No question here, he keeps dominating and he's even starting to show he can win changing his play style. I'm not a Savior fan but I must admit he's good. 2 - Casy He hasn't played any TvP in a while so his stats are good ! Hasn't lost a game since the one vs Savior in Dual tournament 3 - Sea.Up Still being impressive and original. Like his game vs Aqua with his vulture raids. He is 1-1 vs Nada in OSL and is one bo3 away from qualifying the next MSL. His last game vs Nada next week will tell us if he deserves this spot or not ! 4 - Midas Still strong but lost a few key games like the one in Proleague vs Pusan and his 1st game vs Savior. 5 - Bisu Doing really well in MBC SL, His team on the Title 6 - July He's back. He demonstrated very good games in Proleague defeating Xellos and Oov. If MBC got the title it's mostly thx to July in these last 2 matches. He also just qualified for the next MBC SL. The only shadow is his games vs Casy but that's not really the easiest fellow to beat in ZvT 7 - Nal_Ra Still only a few games but his reavers vs Xellos where art 8 - Zergman No idea right now but he deserves that place 9 - Iris One of the strongest TvT's around and he just proved it qualifying for Ro8 in OSL. His team lost vs MBC but he was one of the 2 points aquired (with Savior...) 10 - Much Lost his steam but is still in there like he showed us in his 1st game vs Gorush with his sexy proxy reaver.
Almost in : Light : Still in MBC tournament but crumbled for the second time in a row in the OSL group stage Gorush : I really wanted to put him in there but he lost the ace match for SKT1 and as of right now is losing his Ro16 vs Much Sea, Pusan ? MBC just won the title so they can't have been doing that bad
List modifications ! Much goes a bit higher. Iris is out ! Yellow[Arnc] takes his place.
1- .... 2- Midas .... whatever, he can't lose... cept vs Savior. 3- Casy .... whatever, he can't lose... cept vs Toss. 4- Much .... Much is HOT HOT HOT and remains so til Savior KILLS him. 5- Who's better than Ra, but worse than Much.... ?!?!?! Uh... GARIMTO! -_________-;; 6- Ra - I thought hard about it... but every semis, every MSL.... anything below mid-list is disrespect. 7- Iris - Yeah... so every Z on your side qualified. I bet you are sad as hell... but all the TvT's you played are undeniably good. 8- Nada? - I mean, he's giving the OSL and Golden Mouse curse a good run for their money. 9- Yarc - GJ KIDDO. Welcome back for a bit. I love you~ 10- Hwasin - So I dislike the kid, and he beat Savior once... but he made Semis in MSL with easy brackets. I think he can have a spot. Light's TvT? Silver's ZvT? hahahah... GJ kid -_-;;
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