MLG vs Proleague who will win?

On September 25 2012 05:30 Butterz wrote:
which tournament are we talking about?

On September 25 2012 08:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Kespa's gonna crush this. Surprised that a full half the community hasn't realised that the kespa players have already caught up and aren't slowing down.

On September 25 2012 19:18 GoonFFS wrote:
LOOOOL at voting for kespa here... there's literally no chance at all

On September 25 2012 08:09 ParkwayDrive wrote:
"12 from north america"

well there u have it, kespa got this in the bag

On September 25 2012 08:09 ParkwayDrive wrote:
"12 from north america"

well there u have it, kespa got this in the bag

On September 26 2012 06:56 th0 wrote:
Well anything can happen since the list of MLG players include 12 NA players for some reason. MLG is a US based tournament i know, but giving EU only 6 is super wrong if we think about skill =)

On September 25 2012 21:29 Eshra wrote:


I'm gonna quote this. That way you wont have a chance to edit it. :D

On September 27 2012 04:31 HaXXspetten wrote:
wow did not expect a 50/50 split on this one

On September 27 2012 02:14 KookyMonster wrote:
I'd be extremely surprised to see the kespa players win. They have quite a bit less experience. Then again, they are/were the kings of BW, so there is a chance. That being said, MLG I think is the favorite.

On September 25 2012 05:17 xuanzue wrote:
O M G

jaedong making carry, i want to believe

On September 27 2012 04:43 jnd wrote:

Did you actually check who's participating? There are 24 top KeSPA players, including those who beat several Code S players already. Then you have 18 foreigners which will be happy to take few games and only 6 non-KeSPA Koreans who aren't all top in GSL. Few have some chance but against 24 people it's really small chance.

On September 27 2012 06:10 Madars wrote:


According to this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371740 all 6 non-KeSPA Koreans declined the invite, so who will be the one to win 24 KeSPA Koreans now? Stephano? Fat chance....

On September 27 2012 06:35 freeofme wrote:


Nope, all but 6 non-KeSPA koreans declined the invite. There will still be Alicia, MC, OZ, CranK, PuMa, and aLive participating in the tournament. None of which are on esf teams.

On September 27 2012 06:49 LowEloPlayer wrote:


All but 6 . . . 5 people declined . . . 8 invites in total . . . these numbers don't make any sense either way

"All 6" - but there were 8 invites?

"All but 6" - but if 5 ppl declined and there were 8 invites doesn't that means that all but 3 declined?

On September 27 2012 06:51 Kasaraki wrote:
I swear this poll is rigged.

On September 27 2012 14:59 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Everyone forgets the rule: All Koreans All the time

KeSPA players showed that they are on the cusp of overshadowing the GSL players in the recent WCS Korea. They are going to demolish foreigners not named Stephano.

I really want to see SKT T1 Rain (by.Sun) go against Stephano, what a PvZ it will be.

On September 27 2012 21:42 Hall0wed wrote:


No what WCS showed was that there are indeed a handful of great SC2 players in Kespa, but that says nothing about the overall skill of Kespa. Players like Rain and Roro are playing amazing games but among most of Kespa the skill level is still a bit lower than that of GSL players and even some of the better foreigners.

On September 28 2012 04:38 Monkeybutt22 wrote:
I voted for KeSPA, but if IMMvp goes I will regret that. I have learned really well not to vote against MVP cause he will win every time I don't.

On September 28 2012 19:53 GGman wrote:
I wonder if the result is gonna be as close as the pool :D

On September 28 2012 23:29 CrappyHippo wrote:
When is this going to happen, really need a date so I can follow. Anyone please?

On September 29 2012 06:07 ChoiSulli wrote:
I started watching SCII in the beginning even when KESPA continued with BW, I watched it just cause I loved every time the Koreans would dominate the foreign scene, because I didnt like the fact that there all these new users, talking about foreigners, when in BW it was all about the Koreans and for SCII to be credible in my eyes, the Koreans have to dominate as well. Now that the majority of (white) people have accepted that believe. There is this new battle of KESPA vs. ESF. For me if KESPA prso dominate SCII, it would legitimizes the game to ME. It shows that the guys who excelled at BW the MOST are also rewarded the most in SCII. We already know that thats not the case mechanically. It is simply easier to Macro in SCII, to cast spells in SCII and control armies in SCII. However if the BW guys do rise to the top then it would show that the skill ceiling is high enough that only a few can master it.

To people like me its like a no brainer that the KESPA guys are going to be the best simply because former BW B-teamers and a couple of A-teamers are dominating SCII right now. So I just watch for that, I want all these people proven wrong so bad. In part because I want them to know how great these guys were, and I want people to care about them. The example I can use is Grubby. I dont know who he was. I never followed Warcraft. I just know that some people worship the guy. I have no feelings regarding him though, I simply dont care. I would have cared maybe if he ended up being really good in SCII. So thats the fear I have, that people who never watched BW, that dont know Flash and JD. Will never know them and care unless they continue to dominate. If they do then those people might go out and look into their BW past and learn about them. Its the same why I hold resentment for some people who for example dont know soccer. Or how great Messi is and just how amazing his abilities are. I want for all the new SCII people to appreciate that about the BW guys.

At the same time I can see the SCII guys point of view. They since the begining of SCII have been watching ESF players. Some of them dont give 2 shits about the BW guys. A lot of might not even know the majority of ESF players were B-team or A-team KESPA players. So they ended up spending 2 years of their lifes getting emotionally invested in SCII and specifically the players. Then KESPA switch happens and people like me tell them to go worship them now. Obviously they are going to reject that. They would like it if people like me, could go and watch some of the great games in SCII thus far. Appreciate the comebacks, and rivalries and insane moments.

So I can see why this poll is 50/50. There is a lot of people that are just SCII guys and really dont want the BW guys to dominate. I do. Otherwise I will just not be able to enjoy SCII. I will simply not be able to accept the fact that the guys who dominated BW cant dominate SCII. And I know that my SCII friends simply will not be able to accept the fact that the BW guys coming over will dominate the SCII scene.

On September 29 2012 01:26 mage36 wrote:
KeSPA 88 - 42 MLG after the first week. (for some reason Grubby didn't play any games and still looking for a replacement for Stephano)

Edit: that's based from here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_vs_Proleague_Invitational/Regular_Season

On September 30 2012 05:56 The_Darkness wrote:


I think results would have been more even if they had invited an additional 6 NA players. I don't think they have enough NA pros. NA pros are ridiculously strong

On September 30 2012 03:31 jinzo123 wrote:
This is PPV isnt it ?

pointless...