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Power Rank 02/01/2011 - Page 8
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On February 02 2011 17:04 Lightwip wrote: Meh, Bisu really needs to step it up and win both leagues and send Flash into his (starcraft) grave this coming month. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i31.tinypic.com/2qckmjd.jpg) | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Well, Fantasy won one, so now it's Bisu's turn. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2763 Posts
Stork is 10-1 with a semis and finals appearance in SL Bisu is 15-2 with nothing in SL Your argumentation does not make sense. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Flash Bisu Jaedong Fantasy Stork Hydra PS. Hydra is 31-7 in his last 38 games.... 81% win jesus. Let's hope it just isn't a random fluke like Hyuk was when he did a similar record over like 35 games. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On February 02 2011 19:12 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally, I would have done.... Flash Bisu Jaedong Fantasy Stork Hydra PS. Hydra is 31-7 in his last 38 games.... 81% win jesus. Let's hope it just isn't a random fluke like Hyuk was when he did a similar record over like 35 games. Really Hyuk having 80 % winrate in 35 games ? ... I won't believe that even if i see it . | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On February 02 2011 19:55 raga4ka wrote: Really Hyuk having 80 % winrate in 35 games ? ... I won't believe that even if i see it . http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=7&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=2&from_day=11&to_year=2010&to_month=6&to_day=5&action=Update He had this decent streak. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 02 2011 18:52 Navane wrote: Flash is 12-1 with nothing in SL Stork is 10-1 with a semis and finals appearance in SL Bisu is 15-2 with nothing in SL Your argumentation does not make sense. arguing like that would put stork at a comfortable #1 of the trio. putting it like that though takes no insight whatsoever to how the games actually played out. That is PURELY result based analysis and will surely be displayed in KeSPA. If you're going to simplify it like that I might aswell write something like this: Flash - Dominated this month Stork - Lost horribly this month Bisu - Dominated this month this would be the other way around. Stork would be at #3 of the trio. Please don't try to oversimplify this PR. It was a hard one and obviously alot more than JUST results are taken into consideration to display a rank of the most powerful starcraft players right now. | ||
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Storm[PT]
120 Posts
Edit: Typos. | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
On February 02 2011 20:35 Storm[PT] wrote: "Here's a disclaimer: remember that this isn't a "real" 4 placement."Wait, so Bisu loses 0-3 to the best PvP-er around, 0-1 to the best TvP-er around. Is worse than going 0-3 to the SECOND best TvP-er and 0-3 to the SECOND best ZvP-er? Not to mention a worse WL record. Jesus, I can't understand that kind of reasoning. | ||
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Storm[PT]
120 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On February 02 2011 20:00 Lightwip wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=7&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=2&from_day=11&to_year=2010&to_month=6&to_day=5&action=Update He had this decent streak. That is not even close to Hydra's streak. And also, unlike when Hyuk won a lot, when watching Hydra at the moment I don't feel that there is much luck or buildorder gambling involved. During that streak Hyuk beat a lot of Protosses with Hydra busts and a lot of Terrans (if that was this time) with 2-Hatch-Muta-Ling breaks or similar strategies. Not that there is anything wrong with that, Hydra does it too. But Hydra also plays Standard games and just wins them because of his sense for strategy, Micro and Macro. So I don't think that Hydra's streak is a fluke. I think he is just a damn good player. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
Fanboy: but A > X is wrong !!! See the fallacy here? | ||
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elf_01
United States168 Posts
On February 02 2011 20:35 Storm[PT] wrote: Wait, so Bisu losing 0-3 to the best PvP-er around, 0-1 to the best TvP-er around is worse than going 0-3 to the SECOND best TvP-er and 0-3 to the SECOND best ZvP-er? Not to mention a worse WL record. Jesus, I can't understand that kind of reasoning. Edit: Typos. Uhh how is Stork the best PvP-er around. If anything, it's his PvP that's been failing him lately - according to elo, stork's the SEVENTH best PvP. Also, worse WL record? 10-1 (91%) v 15-2 (88%), with 91 being stork, isn't exactly worse WL record.. tl;dr Bisu - 0-3 v 7th best PvP, 0-1 to best TvP Stork - 0-3 2nd best TvP, 0-3 2nd best ZvP Pretty similar here. Stork PL > Bisu PL Your argument is fallacious at every turn, especially if you factor in the head-to-head being in Stork's favor, too. | ||
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
On February 02 2011 20:49 okum wrote: Power Rank: A + B + C > X + Y + Z Fanboy: but A > X is wrong !!! See the fallacy here? This man is speaking truth. Well said! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I agree. You can't simply look at one variable when deciding the strength of a player. You may have different oppinions, but please don't simplify it with showing some simple stats. I also agree that you shouldn't write so much defending the ranks you put flamewheel. But somehow you have to put it out there that it's a close call. But it's still a call. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for elaboration of fantasy at #2, which I personally think is too high based on the "power" of a player. Whenever he's described as an opponent in "resultcomparisons" he's described as "the second best blah vs blah". As for TvZ he's not even the second best. If he's the second best at everything in peoples eyes, he should not be the #1 PR should he? I very seldom hear: "Yeah well he beat fantasy which is the #1 TvX. The one player who is #1 TvP TvZ and TvT is Flash, and thats why he is ranked above. As for climbing ranks. Fantasy climbed more than 8 ranks for his win since he wasn't even cbnc last month and have a problem with consistancy. So he was really rewarded for it and personally as I've said before I think he's way too high. I'd put him at 5. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 02 2011 22:44 infinity2k9 wrote: Jaedong is 'beatable' so he's down in 5th. Hrmm. Flash is 'beatable' too. That's why he's in neither Starleague. I think Jaedong should have been abit higher. But lets face it, Flash didn't look very beatable this month. He lost those games in december. Jaedong looked beatable this month, flash looked unbeatable this month and there's the difference. Still, jaedong is getting results and I don't think we have to be that worried about him. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On February 02 2011 22:46 StylishVODs wrote: I think Jaedong should have been abit higher. But lets face it, Flash didn't look very beatable this month. He lost those games in december. Jaedong looked beatable this month, flash looked unbeatable this month and there's the difference. Still, jaedong is getting results and I don't think we have to be that worried about him. If Stork didn't advance in any starleague he would look unbeatable too, and I'm almost 100% sure he would have had a better PL record too by now. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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