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I don't understand how Bisu and Flash can be so far apart. They had similar records (I would personally take the 15-2 over 12-1 but whatever) and they both looked unstoppable (tell me in which game during his 11 game win streak he looked bad in) Flash did beat Bisu head to head, so I'm guess its fine that Flash is ahead, but is the difference between the two really big enough to fit two people in between? I would have been ok with fantasy one, and I would have been ok with fantasy 3, but separating Bisu and Flash is wrong. Your argument about Bisu "pubstomping" might have been more convincing if you didn't attribute that as a positive thing in Flash's section (pubstomping=roflstomping)
I just reread the flash right up. If you replace every "flash" with "Bisu" and replace "no all kills" with "3 all kills" (and eliminate the second to last paragraph that gets very specific about who he beat) they you could just slap Bisu's picture over flash's with the exact same logic,
Stork is far too high. I don't care if you had a revere all kill (rather small compared to 3) when you lose six games in a row, you do not deserve top 3. Stork doesn't have the "hot" and he doesn't have the "achievement" (unless you want to count a semifinal win over modesty but, c'mon, modesty?)
Flash
Bisu
Fantasy
Jaedong
Stork
the rest
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Fine, this works.
Hopefully we'll get another PR that will make flamewheel cry for March.
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hackle...
Remember when he said Bisu is really 1.4?...
The top 5 are all virtually equal. There is only 1 degree of separation between each player.
Why should Bisu be ranked above a player who beat him 3 times that month, and has a comparable WL record (10-1 compared to Bisu's 15-2)?
Flash #1 is the bone thrown to near-perfect WL play (Flash, Stork, Bisu, JD can all claim this throne, but Flash got it). Fantasy #2 is the bone thrown to OSL dominance. He wrecked Stork. Meanwhile, Stork #3 edges out Bisu because of last minute redemption. If Bisu beat Stork in the WL on the 31st and/or Stork lost to Fantasy, Bisu would be #3 and Stork #4-5. But Stork showed that he can rebound from 3-6 in Bo5's in the month back to where he was at the start of the month.
Summary:
Bisu lost to Flash once, and Stork 3 times. All have similar WL records, so Bisu takes last because of head-to-head losses. Fantasy is simply a bone thrown to winning the freaking OSL 3-0. Bisu is really rank 1.4
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 01 2011 23:02 hacklebeast wrote:
I don't understand how Bisu and Flash can be so far apart. They had similar records (I would personally take the 15-2 over 12-1 but whatever) and they both looked unstoppable (tell me in which game during his 11 game win streak he looked bad in) Flash did beat Bisu head to head, so I'm guess its fine that Flash is ahead, but is the difference between the two really big enough to fit two people in between? I would have been ok with fantasy one, and I would have been ok with fantasy 3, but separating Bisu and Flash is wrong. Your argument about Bisu "pubstomping" might have been more convincing if you didn't attribute that as a positive thing in Flash's section (pubstomping=roflstomping)
I just reread the flash right up. If you replace every "flash" with "Bisu" and replace "no all kills" with "3 all kills" (and eliminate the second to last paragraph that gets very specific about who he beat) they you could just slap Bisu's picture over flash's with the exact same logic,
Stork is far too high. I don't care if you had a revere all kill (rather small compared to 3) when you lose six games in a row, you do not deserve top 3. Stork doesn't have the "hot" and he doesn't have the "achievement" (unless you want to count a semifinal win over modesty but, c'mon, modesty?)
Flash
Bisu
Fantasy
Jaedong
Stork
the rest
Flash > Bisu 1-0 (WL)
Stork > Bisu 3-0 (MSL + WL )
Bisu 15-2 WL
Flash 12-1 WL
Stork 10-1 WL
How the hell did you manage to put Bisu infront of Stork then. And dont tell oh oh he lost 0-6 in SL but hey Bisu havent been more than RO16 (or havent been present at all ) in SL for whole year or more.
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I think it has now been 4 seasons aka 1.33 years (4 MSL+ 4 OSL) where Bisu has failed in a Ro16 or Ro36/32. And the Ro16's were the minority.
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Awesome PR!
Althought I would have put Stork on 2nd place and Fantasy on 3rd place, due to the incredibly fast recovery from his lost. I mean, he lost 0-3 to Fantasy in the OSL final, and the next day he still managed to defeat Fantasy and Bisu. That's an insanely strong state of mind.
Great writing, thanks!
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This is indeed a very hard month for the PR, the top 5 are so close. At first, I didn't agree with the placement but after reading your explanation, you convinced me. Good job with the PR flamewheel.
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Fantasy at 2 and Bisu at 4 seems odd, but I can live with it. I guess there was no good way to sort Bisu/Stork/Fantasy between themselves. Violet's placement is good as well.
GJ flamewheel 
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If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing.
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When I saw All Kill Light shake his head near the end of his match against Flash. I have no doubt that Flash is no.1
Light was prepared as a Flash sniper, yet he got roll over.
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On February 01 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote:
If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing.
Woohh.. this is a strong statement. Or did I misread this?
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On February 02 2011 00:25 mmdmmd wrote:
When I saw All Kill Light shake his head near the end of his match against Flash. I have no doubt that Flash is no.1
Light was prepared as a Flash sniper, yet he got roll over.
Considering how often Light gets rolled over, I wouldn't make too much of it.
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On February 02 2011 00:27 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote:
If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing. Woohh.. this is a strong statement. Or did I misread this?
Go back and read what Milkis said about Flamewheel's work last power rank. I think there is some strong..... difference of opinions between these two.
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On February 02 2011 00:40 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 00:27 mmdmmd wrote:On February 01 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote:
If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing. Woohh.. this is a strong statement. Or did I misread this? Go back and read what Milkis said about Flamewheel's work last power rank. I think there is some strong..... difference of opinions between these two.
I see... Thanks for the link.
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On February 01 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote:
If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing.
If he didn't, he could just as well have been accused of winging it and not thinking it through properly. You can't please everyone, ever.
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On February 01 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote:
If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing.
Given this month's performances from Bisu-fantasy-Flash-Hydra-Jaedong-Stork, anybody who claimed more than about 70% certainty about "what they were doing" on this PR is either a liar or extremely overconfident.
So much for defense, now for criticism:
I would have preferred to put Jaedong over Bisu. This is largely my late-in-starleague performance bias speaking, with a good boost from the series against Snow. Now a player of Jaedong's caliber shouldn't have so much trouble with even a solid A-class like Snow... but nobody - Bisu included - played better PvZ this month than Snow did that series, certainly not for five straight games.
(Seeing Bisu go on to lose to Hydra last night only reinforces this conviction. But the two of them make sense at 4/5 one way or the other - not a major complain.)
I'm also not sure about ZerO. The way you defended fantasy's rank sort of requires it, I get that. And the win over Flash kind of earned it, I get that. But that 3-5 proleague record is really, really ugly, and I don't like his chances to advance against a less inconsistent player in great. He belongs on the PR, but he should have snuck in at 9 or 10.
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On February 01 2011 23:16 Crisium wrote:
hackle...
Remember when he said Bisu is really 1.4?...
The top 5 are all virtually equal. There is only 1 degree of separation between each player.
Why should Bisu be ranked above a player who beat him 3 times that month, and has a comparable WL record (10-1 compared to Bisu's 15-2)?
Flash #1 is the bone thrown to near-perfect WL play (Flash, Stork, Bisu, JD can all claim this throne, but Flash got it). Fantasy #2 is the bone thrown to OSL dominance. He wrecked Stork. Meanwhile, Stork #3 edges out Bisu because of last minute redemption. If Bisu beat Stork in the WL on the 31st and/or Stork lost to Fantasy, Bisu would be #3 and Stork #4-5. But Stork showed that he can rebound from 3-6 in Bo5's in the month back to where he was at the start of the month.
Summary:
Bisu lost to Flash once, and Stork 3 times. All have similar WL records, so Bisu takes last because of head-to-head losses. Fantasy is simply a bone thrown to winning the freaking OSL 3-0. Bisu is really rank 1.4
Bisu should be ranked over a player he lost 3 times to for the same reason stork should be ranked over a player he lost three times to (zero); because of the vast discrepancy in the quality of the other games. Somehow, you have managed to argue that losing six games actually helps stork, because it shows he can "rebound" Those 6 losses are huge, and you dismiss them because he managed to win a few games afterwards? Then why isn’t Reach on here? He broke an 11 game losing streak, must mean he will win the next OSL .
I understand that lots of people had near perfect PL records, and I’m fine with Flash being on top, but you structure your argument as if the OSL winner MUST be at least 2nd. If Bisu and Flash are near equals, then they should be placed that way
Having the top 5 be 1.0-1.4 is a weak way of saying “I’m not good at making decisions, so I won’t” If we assign everyone “effectively” the same rank, than what’s the point of having a PR? I am going to chose to ignore that as long as there is a 1-10 on the right side of my browser, and if flamewheel doesn’t want to make decisions, than he shouldn’t be writing PR.
+ Show Spoiler +I’m being an ass at this point, and I apologize to flamewheel. I keep rereading this, but I can’t figure out a way to say it nicer. I'm sorry  .
edit: Jaedong is closer to Bisu than Stork is, but still should be under, I don't know why almost losing a series to a player with historically bad PvZ helps your case. That’s not to mention the lacking WL record, (15-2 compared to 10-2) slumping team, and general lack of competition (who has jaedong played? Baby i guess, but its a list filled with mediocrity).
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This PR was really kind of interesting. The first five places could be ordered almost in any order and you could find good arguments to support that decision. Because of that I was waiting more for the writeup than the actual order. And it didn't dissappoint, nice job flamewheel.
Yeah and the fact that my favourite player is where he belongs again is a nice bonus, hehe.
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Why. Isn't. Violet. The. First. Place. Of. PR. DAMMIT!! Show some support!! On the other hand...Bisu =[
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On February 01 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote:
If you have to write this much defending the rankings you probably had no idea what you were doing.
KK, I have an idea of what I'm doing, gonna give it a try.
1.Flash
Obv best player in the world, just watch him play.
2.Jaedong
Doesn't suck as much as those below him. Plus Snow's PvZ has drastically improved so I will count his Bo5 win has a pretty positive feat.
3.Stork
He can't play Bo5, but at least he's pretty good out of them.
4.Bisu
Can't win to anyone decent, unfortunately he does not have to very often, so I can't place him lower (PLEASE LOSE)
5.Fanta
He's won the OSL, but have you seen his serie vs Calm ?
6.Hydra
He's improving, impressive record and potential.
7.Zero
Hit and miss, but he can play well.
8.Snow
Improving everywhere. Despite an average record, his play his truly impressive.
9.Bogus
Good record, nice TvP, really improved, hope it's not a fluke. But his play look really solid.
10.Baby
I like him lol.
Better ? Can I have the job ?
(I'm pretty close to the second power rank ever funnily enough)
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