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On February 01 2011 17:19 mustaju wrote:I guess StylishVOD-s and Holgerius must feel as if their lobbying paid off. :D + Show Spoiler +I kid, I kid, I agree with the placing.
Yes, the effort was worth it. 
Really like this PR, and I agree with most of it.
I love the fact that you had the balls to place Flash high and Bisu ''low''. I am of course ridiculously biased regarding that, but I do think that his games are more impressive (also vs more impressive opponents) and that he deserves a lot more benefit of doubt compared to Bisu (everything points towards the idea that the random losses in the Starleagues he had were just merely bumps in the road (both his performance afterwards and his God-mode before it) and that he still is the best player in the world). And Bisu's performance today keeps hinting that he still has a quite high risk of losing vs really awesome players.
And Stork remains relatively high, that was very nice.  I think it's well deserved all in all.
Other than that I think you should be ready to 1) move Fantasy down if he keeps playing like today, and 2) move JD up if (when) he wins MSL. But their positions on this PR is fine.
Also, <3 Violet! Hwaiting!
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Fantasy and Stork really don't deserve to be #2 and #3. Apart from the OSL finals, Fantasy has been incredibly inconsistent and I still think he's inferior to everyone in TBLS. Stork has done fairly well in PL, beating a lot of top players (JD, Bisu, Fantasy) but with the way he got destroyed in both leagues, he really doesn't deserve to be above Bisu who's looking much stronger than Stork (except for in head-to-head games).
IMO, it should be:
1) Flash
2) Bisu
3) Stork
4) Jaedong
5) Fantasy
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So Stork doesn't deserve to be at #2 or #3, but he should be at #3? 
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yeah fantasy is kindof like Zero.
When he is put in the booth at WL I feel about the same for these two. A good player who might win if they have a good day but I really don't expect them to deliver an all kill or something like that.
They'll both most likely lose to some scrub or as soon as some of the higher caliber players gets in the booth.
They are not the best players right now but they are pretty far up there, both are very inconsistant. (fantasy having a slight edge, but showing over and over that I'm right)
Since fantasy wasn't even cbnc last month I'd put him at 5, just above hydra and zero at 7 like it is.
Fantasy won the OSL, but he's not the Champ.
Bisu i tough to place, he roflstompes "lesser" players, but in every encounter vs the top on this PR last month he lost.
From a previous PR.
If this were a monthly statistics ranking then Flash probably wouldn't even make the top 10 (and Bisu would probably be ranked 3rd or 2nd). Thankfully, this isn't a comparison of winrates over a period of 30 days but instead is an attempt to gauge the strength of the top players of Brood War today. Placing Flash first after a month where he has gone exactly 50/50 is surely to be a controversial decision but hopefully by the end of this you will agree that it is the right decision.
Even though Flash wasn't anywhere close to 50% last month, he had other problems such as being in neither league (even though it was not due to last months games). But I think this sums up what I think the PR should be like.
My rank would be.
Flash
Stork (because he redeemed himself the next day by beating both bisu and fantasy)
Jaedong/Bisu HARD
fantasy
hydra
zero
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On February 01 2011 17:10 corumjhaelen wrote:
I would have placed Jaedong higher, and Fantasy lower, cause seriously, the only thing he has done well was his serie against Stork (great play against a psychologically weakened Stork unable to adapt).
His play against Clam should score negative points, I still can't forgive him for that.
I'd have gone with Jaedong/Flash Stork Bisu Fanta I guess.
Can't really blame you though^^
Definitely this. Jaedong is doing well in PL and he shows that he can win Bo3/5s, unlike Bisu. He is lucky that he is in a team like SKT1 because it's harder to snipe him there.
Should be:
Flash/Jaedong/Stork
Bisu
Fantasy
in my opinion.
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Flamewheel, you're so lucky SKT vs Hite wasn't yesterday
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On February 01 2011 20:54 Kavas wrote:Flamewheel, you're so lucky SKT vs Hite wasn't yesterday
Maybe, but I think that would have just given him more insight of Fantasy. The rank would pretty much remain the same except he'd drop more. This way, with the games being played in february, fantasys place just looks more wrong.
So imo he was unlucky that those games weren't played yesterday.
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On February 01 2011 20:54 Kavas wrote:Flamewheel, you're so lucky SKT vs Hite wasn't yesterday
nah, it's gonna remain Hydra's biggest achievment this season.... and Fanta will be gone in the next month anyway.
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"So there you have it. Flash lacks achievements, but has power"
translation: Flash isn't going to win anything, but he seems good so he deserves #1 despite fantasy's gold or bisu's equal winner league record
I'm calling bullshit on this PR
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I'm really happy that we've finally got a solid #2 Zerg again in Hydra. He's good in all match-ups and looks to be very consistent (unlike ZerO). After EffOrt retired it left Jaedong all alone at the top (I mean seriously, for a while we had Roro and then Shine as the #2 Zerg by Elo, that's just sad).
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Acceptable PR for this month.
1. Flash - he is in god mode like in 2010 but no SL for him so his place is not that deserved but it was really hard month to put a deserving #1
2. Fantasy - yes he won a OSL gold in style but he was (still is) terrible in WL. He is gonna drop so low( or even out of PR ) on next month. Still he deserves his spot for January.
3. Stork - Im glad Stork is infront of Bisu because if it was not I would rage hard. Stork > Bisu 3-0. WL tearing almost everybody. And he has the best overall SL score of all players of this Season for January even losing 0-6 (getting into finals/Ro8 and losing is much better than anything Flash and Bisu have done for January ). I would put Stork on #2 for January but I guess my ranking is more Kespa like.
4. Bisu - Yes he is tearing the mediocre/bad players like always and he is "weak" against strong players. His Ace AK makes his WL run much stronger than it actually is because who hasnt AK Ace till now( Even Hiya AK Ace just now ) ?His SL run was bad and losing to Stork 0-2 in bad fashion and again in WL. Lost to Flash and today to Hydra. Nothing is changed.. Bisu >>> mediocre players and Bisu <= strong players
5. JD - Yes I agree JD is looking mortal now even in zvz/zvp. He has a decent WL score and he is in MSL semi but he might have a hard run against Hydra on fire. Dunno this doesnt feel like the old JD at least not to me.
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Russian Federation327 Posts
2 iamho
Did you see todays SKT games? The PR is pretty good. It is exactly like flamewheel predicted. Bisu is no good vs good players, and Fantasy is no good at pop-quiz. Fanta should be #5, but OSL gold brings him to 2 spot.
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On February 01 2011 21:03 Hazard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 20:54 Kavas wrote:Flamewheel, you're so lucky SKT vs Hite wasn't yesterday nah, it's gonna remain Hydra's biggest achievment this season.... and Fanta will be gone in the next month anyway.
Depends on how you see it.
+ Show Spoiler +With the win against Bisu you can actually argue that he places above Jaedong, since they're in the same round of MSL. + Show Spoiler +I still think Jaedong should rank higher than Bisu. If only he didn't crash against Violet and Bisu...
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On February 01 2011 21:11 iamho wrote:
"So there you have it. Flash lacks achievements, but has power"
translation: Flash isn't going to win anything, but he seems good so he deserves #1 despite fantasy's gold or bisu's equal winner league record
I'm calling bullshit on this PR "Flash isn't going to win anything, but he seems good so he deserves #1 despite fantasy's gold or bisu's equal winner league record
I'm calling bullshit on this PR"
translation: poster is a hater and is visibly upset by this new PR
If you can't say anything better than "bullshit" then just don't say anything at all.
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Vatican City State431 Posts
This is POWER ranking not monthly accomplishments ranking or this should be anyway. In the last month putting Jaedong above Flash was ... I mean Flash beat Jaedong very convincingly in 2010 in every competition they meet.
Kespa ranking is much close to a power ranking than the PR on teamliquid. In Kespa ranking you dont see players get dropped 4 places in a month and then up 4 again in the next month. Just my 2 cents.
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Canada2480 Posts
"then again it's funny watching swanized post"
LOL
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Another superb power rank from Flamewheel. I love your careful argumentation of the top 5. All the right notes are hit in the lower parts as well, and high praise is deserved for putting Violet in there. I believe that you are most strongly suited for writing power ranks and I hope you'll continue to do so for a considerable period of time.
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Good rank, and indeed any of the top 5 could be #1 (even Stork or Jaedong, no doubt). Your reasoning seems very good. If Fantasy or Bisu had beaten Stork in WL a couple days ago I wonder how different the ranks would be.
I think Stats deserved CBNC over honorable mention, but it ultimately doesn't matter when you aren't in the Top 10 anyway. He would have probably made it into 9 or 10 if he hadn't lost 3 in a row at the end of the month.
Even I underestimated Stork. 0-6 in Bo5 hurts him hard, but his WL record is nearly as good as Flash even though he was riding dual leagues while Flash was not. His losses hurt him bad and probably justified him for #5, but defeating Bisu (again) and Fantasy redeems him a couple spots.
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On February 01 2011 21:17 SkelA wrote:
3. Stork - Im glad Stork is infront of Bisu because if it was not I would rage hard. Stork > Bisu 3-0. WL tearing almost everybody. And he has the best overall SL score of all players of this Season for January even losing 0-6 (getting into finals/Ro8 and losing is much better than anything Flash and Bisu have done for January ). I would put Stork on #2 for January but I guess my ranking is more Kespa like.
4. Bisu - Yes he is tearing the mediocre/bad players like always and he is "weak" against strong players. His Ace AK makes his WL run much stronger than it actually is because who hasnt AK Ace till now( Even Hiya AK Ace just now ) ?His SL run was bad and losing to Stork 0-2 in bad fashion and again in WL. Lost to Flash and today to Hydra. Nothing is changed.. Bisu >>> mediocre players and Bisu <= strong players
So that puts Stork in a position where he can't defeat a strong player himself cuz Bisu doesn't count :and Fantasy loses to everybody, even Horang2 with his horrible PvT just beat him)
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