EPTWill you pay for GOM's GSL stream?
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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andeh
United States904 Posts
Kill off bw scene gg (can you imagine a teamliquid without a korean proleague?) | ||
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Lebesgue
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
 DaezanG and  OversKy commentating the korean one so that should be fine for me even if i cant understand them X_Xi really really really wanted to hear tastosis again though  | ||
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Anglachel
Belgium9 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:00 andeh wrote: Dont let us watch sc2 Kill off bw scene gg (can you imagine a teamliquid without a korean proleague?) seriously what the shit i'm hating blizzard more and more by the day | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19029 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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The_DjiN
Germany86 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
I want to watch but this seems ridiculous. And if people are paying for GSL, why wouldn't other tournament organizers realize we might pay for their event? If a lot of people pay for this one we might have more tournaments to pay for in the future. | ||
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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Excessive
Denmark151 Posts
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
Watched 4 years of BW progaming for free till now and SC2 is not even half as entertaining. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
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pRo9aMeR
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DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
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houck
United Kingdom102 Posts
2. 9000+ viewers 3. Ads, Ads Everywhere 4. ??? 5. Profit! (on a side note: I voted no) | ||
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Excessive
Denmark151 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
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dvide
United Kingdom287 Posts
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Jiiks
Finland487 Posts
 So there wont be a free low quality stream? | ||
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andeh
United States904 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:38 Jiiks wrote: Voted maybe.. And now i heard it's 50$ so no. So there wont be a free low quality stream? You have to pay for that too | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
i know nothing about their shedule and with only 2 foreigners in the tournament interest isnt at the top right now. im still waiting on more info and am considering it, of course. | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
why can you guys just put adds or comercials on your streams and Vods and make it free low def and then a like 10bucks for HQ... would be so much better | ||
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OnFire
324 Posts
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CoWsGoesMoo
250 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Deathfairy
148 Posts
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Latham
9560 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
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WeSt
Portugal918 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
Way to demolish the scene. | ||
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trevabob
United Kingdom350 Posts
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Daisyvondoom
United States3 Posts
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
 I voted no... paying for a livestream? It's not like it's pr0n or anything. Hey wait, I wouldn't even pay for that. I'm curious to see how this pans out for the guys who thought this up. | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
are you kidding me. | ||
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teh_longinator
Canada725 Posts
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cAPS
United States153 Posts
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
On September 02 2010 05:41 Dagobert wrote: Well, 22 people voted yes, that's $1100 right there. Who would say no to 1100 bucks? I voted no... paying for a livestream? It's not like it's pr0n or anything. Hey wait, I wouldn't even pay for that. I'm curious to see how this pans out for the guys who thought this up. some one who wants 10x more because they have a brain and contacted some foreign companies to put commercials on the English stream. Hell if they called old spice, Doritos, and the other MLG sponsors they would probably jump after what we have heard about the last MLG and its record breaking steam numbers. | ||
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
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choihyun
Canada12 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:02 Wings wrote: seriously what the shit i'm hating blizzard more and more by the day wtf does have to do with this sht gomtv is the problem | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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SuperGnu
Sweden240 Posts
I save my money, i rather spend it on my computer than on this. Yes computer parts that the sponsors prob would love for me to do but i wont know about their stuff becuse i cant see the tournament they are sponsering. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
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SuperGnu
Sweden240 Posts
Nop... 50 bucks??? i mean wtf i love to watch GOMTV when they started their Starleague had no problems with their Vods or stream was awsome with tasteless, lilsusy and then superman daniel... why can you guys just put adds or comercials on your streams and Vods and make it free low def and then a like 10bucks for HQ... would be so much better Dont worry, there will be adds and comercials in the VOD and Stream, but you will have to pay for it anyway. | ||
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oolon
United States27 Posts
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Fearlezz
Croatia176 Posts
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archaik
Sweden32 Posts
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Pyre
United States1940 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:06 etheovermind wrote: hey its not that big of a deal. its like 20 dollars for a live stream. im just happy that this event is happening. you guys are really so cheap you wouldnt pay 20 dollars for the biggest sc2 event ever??!!? big? if no one will watch it how can it possibly be big? but seriously organizers have to be naive to think that something like this could work on the internet, re-streaming and leaked vods are inevitable. | ||
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alkampfer
116 Posts
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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Dr01D
Poland18 Posts
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Marl
United States692 Posts
I don't know 95% of the players I have no clue what level of play I can expect The tournament is happening before the balance patch SC2 isn't going to grow and be spread as an esport if you have to pay $50 to watch it competitively from the start. | ||
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alkampfer
116 Posts
lol this will be my new SIGN | ||
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alkampfer
116 Posts
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Kurt_Russell
Canada147 Posts
Korean vods commentated by English-speaking commentators and uploaded to youtube (I don't know what the Korean MBC terms of use are) has my vote. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:20 HeaDStrong wrote: big? if no one will watch it how can it possibly be big? but seriously organizers have to be naive to think that something like this could work on the internet, re-streaming and leaked vods are inevitable. so you would watch a pirated stream and hurt a fragile sport that your supposed to be a fan of (because your on this website). nice going. how do you expect them to offer so much money as a prize? by not paying for this your hurting the starcraft 2 community. | ||
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Optimator
United States53 Posts
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Dr01D
Poland18 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:36 etheovermind wrote: so you would watch a pirated stream and hurt a fragile sport that your supposed to be a fan of (because your on this website). nice going. how do you expect them to offer so much money as a prize? by not paying for this your hurting the starcraft 2 community. Someone ask for this? Blizzard make many decision witch was badly for all of us!! ITS ENOUGH !! ...i hope that everyone see that we are fucking in the ass :/ | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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eyeEX
United States64 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:36 etheovermind wrote: so you would watch a pirated stream and hurt a fragile sport that your supposed to be a fan of (because your on this website). nice going. how do you expect them to offer so much money as a prize? by not paying for this your hurting the starcraft 2 community. "fragile sport", "supposed to be" and "because your on this website" as you put it being fan of esports is some annoying chore... and i'm here mainly for the korean broodwar leagues, so in all honesty i probably wouldn't watch it for free, but i still find it an outrage that the poor company that is blizzard is making people pay to watch sc2.... when blizzard made an obvious step to create a sc2 proscene, i assumed the business model would be provide some entertainment to a wide audience and make esports attractive so people would buy the game and participate or be progamer "wannabes".... i thought that the esports would be more like a interactive advert to popularize their product and maybe leech some sponsor money. i, however, never thought that they would try to milk the spectators... that is just greedy and short-sighted... EDIT: also a small reminder: your != you are, not being picky but as a non native english speaker it irritates me because i find it very hard to read and have to re-read it couple of times before i get it. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
how much u have to pay for basic needs Having to pay another $hitload to have quality internet - least in my country- all other expenses like gym , going out , rapidshare etc or having a high maintenance girlfriend - for some - having to pay to watch some e sport tourneys as well is ridiculus Maybe in ideally build society whereas wealth flurish and every1 was happy with their ferraris leaving in a hawain Suburb , in that case yea i would pay but not now | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
ughhhhhh | ||
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Fdragon
United States96 Posts
Why pay for something that should be free? Edit: Also those saying we who want our free streams are "hurting" the SC2 community are stupid (Nicely put) as tournies should get there money from sponsor companies and live arena spectators much like the NFL/NHL/And other Pro Sports Leagues. | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:09 Kishkumen wrote: Nope. Too poor to spend money to watch other people play SC2. that's a good point. what's the main audience for esports? kids, students and young people in general. not the demographics with a bunch of cash burning in their pockets. | ||
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Snowfield
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snoopadizzle
Norway7 Posts
Want a good stream? pay for it. Want a crap stream? get it for free. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
Maybe one day we'll have channel 9054. Live starcraft all day. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
It's a recession, I don't have that much money to dole out. What does ACTIVISION-Bizzard think I am? An automated cash dispenser? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Shameful move from them. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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Zombee
Germany69 Posts
I see how they came to think, hey maybe someone is going to pay us money for that. I hope they fail miserably, but if not, this could end up like soccer in europe. People who care pay to watch and follow all theire favorite teams, players - rest of us has a look at the Worldchampionship and is happy if they recognise the name of some topplayers after 4 years again. Thats so strange - a lot of people won't get huge fanbases. Maybe torch is a fucking great player, may we will never find out. And I am sad I am going to miss Tasteless and Artosis . And without the covering for the masses, theire won't be sponsors for teams - players in the future - as noone will know theire names - thus making players depend on Gretech.bad discision - No, NO and nO. | ||
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Frapes
Greece9 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
For this? No. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:06 etheovermind wrote: I'm way cheaper. I wouldn't pay 5 bucks for this, even if I was throwing them away anyway, and they weren't mine, and were fake. Kind regards. [: I'm more inclined to pay $50 for watching the OSL final.hey its not that big of a deal. its like 20 dollars for a live stream. im just happy that this event is happening. you guys are really so cheap you wouldnt pay 20 dollars for the biggest sc2 event ever??!!? And that comes from a SC2 fan, not BW fan, so I really wonder who will pay, at all. | ||
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YunhOLee
Canada2470 Posts
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
Honestly why would you pay to watch it? There is a new SC2 tourney like every week. | ||
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
2) Loathe GOM Player 3) Reservations about giving my money to this organisation I still said, 'Maybe.' I won't rule it out. Especially if GOM wasn't required for high quality, I would be much more willing to consider it. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
I don't know what marketing team determined these prices. I honestly feel they'd have higher profits with lower ones. Edit: I counted my position as "maybe." | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
They have just destroyed themselves and they don't even realize it. GomTV simultaneously destroyed the proleague, MSL, and Korean SC2? | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
Even if the GOM streams didn't have a tendency to just not work. | ||
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hejakev
Sweden518 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
Plus, these guyz (pro koreans) can live decently without my money. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Hey Gretech, if you read this, think about what I say. There is a reason why Starcraft Brood War gained fame. The games were free to watch. If you charge for the stream, don't get your hopes up about SC2 catching on as fast as brood war did. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On September 02 2010 09:15 blahman3344 wrote: Voted no. Hey Gretech, if you read this, think about what I say. There is a reason why Starcraft Brood War gained fame. The games were free to watch. If you charge for the stream, don't get your hopes up about SC2 catching on as fast as brood war did. lol clearly they're not reading anything we say.. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
1) -the mot popular one- offer free view of the event, get a very popular rating and alot of views, show that to sponsor and get money with publicity. 2) Have such a popular event that you know people WILL pay for it, cause it's so damn good. GSL right now have no fan base... and they want to gain money with both ways... In my case, I am disgusted with the organization right now, and will probably not watch even a pirate version. And I'm sure i am no tthe only one. The audience is what makes or breaks tournaments, more so if it is his first season. You try to grow a fan base first, then try to rip them off. Besides, with the abundance of great quality starcraft2 ressources, streams, free tournaments, I really don't see how can some1 think seriously about paying. If this is the direction Blizzard wants to take, E-sports are bound to die. | ||
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hfolkner
Philippines16 Posts
if anything like "stream cancelled because bnet 0.00002 is down" happens, well, lol. Or something like commentating the lag screen. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
I won't be watching this if I have to pay for it. | ||
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
GOMTV must be all kinds of stupid to come out with a $50 price point right after the MLG and IEM were broad-casted for FREE. | ||
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Felby
Norway81 Posts
but after actually reading up about it, just imagine that one maybe vote is no | ||
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drp223
United States170 Posts
and the vod thing sucks put ads or something. | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
fuck blizzard | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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skAnarky
Canada140 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
this news has ruined my day, I was really looking forward to tasteless commentating again. | ||
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Kyouya
Mexico318 Posts
And for the poll, my answer is obviously NO! | ||
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Sly
Canada95 Posts
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
:D | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
for destroying SCBW pro-scene in Korea | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
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Daedie
Belgium160 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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Nickgazord
United States64 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:30 Kurt_Russell wrote: Honestly, I've never been too impressed by Tasteless' commentating skills, I always found they were lacking something, never knew what. . Flavor, perhaps? ;3 I voted "no" without even thinking about it. Blizzard and GOMtv are both insane and I really hope people realize that. | ||
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
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FlashIsHigh
United States474 Posts
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branflakes14
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MaleficOR
United States315 Posts
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[-]Ocelot[-]
United States256 Posts
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Engdrew
United States890 Posts
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drekk
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
Now, if the semi-finals and finals have some serious hype to them, like two of the ultra big names, or some new, up-and-comer, then I might consider it, although it'd still be ridiculous to stay up for that shit. I really think GOM.Tv is fucking up on this one if they decide to go through with this charge. at least offer VODs/ live games for free in low but watchable quality, and offer HD streams, behind the scenes footage, interviews, tips, etc. for people who would be willing to pay for that. | ||
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MaleficOR
United States315 Posts
Either way there are always "alternate" methods of watching this without paying a cent to these greedy bastards. | ||
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AmaZing
Nepal299 Posts
Free stream or die.. I'd rather watch it in korean and spam nuke to commentate over it if need be lol. No i will not may 50 bucks for watching GSL when i can watch it for free :S, actually either way i wouldnt pay. | ||
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Radio.active
United States121 Posts
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
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zerat00l
United States100 Posts
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Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Ginkgo
8 Posts
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Jankem
Canada42 Posts
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Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
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beradical
United States38 Posts
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
Kill off BW and make me pay to watch ppl play an incomplete game? wow... | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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911insidejob
United States39 Posts
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911insidejob
United States39 Posts
On September 02 2010 14:31 prototype. wrote: ahhhahahaha Kill off BW and make me pay to watch ppl play an incomplete game? wow... how do you figure the game is incomplete? | ||
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kariido
Saudi Arabia179 Posts
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lolbad
Marshall Islands35 Posts
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lolbad
Marshall Islands35 Posts
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Gamidragon
United States45 Posts
As is, I wouldn't think twice. Complete waste of money. | ||
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Ascorius
Norway275 Posts
If I was to pay 50 dollars each month for watching SC2, it would have to be an HD channel, that broadcasted matches, programs, discussions about sc2 24/7. But, complaining aside. I really wonder were they got the idea to charge that amount? I am rather certain that there is no market research behind the price. As you can see that most on TL are willing to pay something.... just not that much. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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MaleficOR
United States315 Posts
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
1) english cast 2) 3mbit+ stream 3) good production value 4) demo to see if their quality is viable | ||
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
IF there were a free stream and an option to pay for advertisement-free high quality stream I'd propably consider it - but getting charged for one single broadcast (and its comparably expensive to PayTV over here too) in a young scene like this? I cant support that. Gom - you can make way more money if you can sell advertisement space for >20k foreign live viewers than having a view hundred charged viewers, dont you? Please stop cripple yourself... | ||
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MoriyaGXP
Korea (South)240 Posts
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MaleficOR
United States315 Posts
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lFrost
United States295 Posts
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
))It's laughable. There will be people who'll upload videos on youtube and that's it. | ||
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daewdasd
Germany64 Posts
Did GOM not have the same fiasco with there last Season? | ||
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
This seems like as much of a recipe for failure as C&C4. I don't see this working at all. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
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Deyster
Jordan579 Posts
All of those cost me 50$ a year, and the contracts to get those for the TV station is sure much much more expensive than the total amount of the prizes and costs for holding that tournament. It's just hell ridiculous that Blizzard is expecting people to pay that much for 1 tournament, it's pretty much as ridiculous as asking people to pay to watch BlizzCon online. As people above said: Blizzard is abusing "eSports" for PR. | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On September 02 2010 16:37 Scarecrow wrote: Further proof that Blizzard just throws the word "esports" around for PR. This has nothing to do with Blizzard | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:06 iamho wrote: wow blizzard is killing both bw and sc2. what a bunch of retarrds Bwahaha this. And to think, players will probably drop/ lag anyway since there is no LAN in SC2. Really, I thought Blizzard endorsed this tournament like crazy. | ||
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rane
Finland17 Posts
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Spiffeh
United States830 Posts
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Novac
Denmark23 Posts
I voted maybe and the reason for this is that even though I would gladly pay a monthly subscription fee to watch some high quality e-Sports, I have my reservations about the quality of the stream. I pay to watch TV as well and that doesn't bother me, but the production quality and picture resolution is much higher than 500k. The people who categorically stated that they won't pay to watch people play a video game or clinging to the days of yonder where everything was free and only hardcore nerds bothered to watch shouldn't be allowed to watch e-Sports. People keep yelling at Gretech and Blizzard that they only want money and that this isn't going to grow the community. You all seem to want a great e-Sports scene but refuse to do ANYTHING yourselves. Like little kids only thinking about yourselves and what everyone else should be doing for you. Valid points are the price being too high and the quality being too low, but as for not wanting to contribute to e-Sports one day being big everywhere like it is in Korea, then go and watch football. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On September 02 2010 18:12 Novac wrote: Omg people are cheap. I voted maybe and the reason for this is that even though I would gladly pay a monthly subscription fee to watch some high quality e-Sports, I have my reservations about the quality of the stream. I pay to watch TV as well and that doesn't bother me, but the production quality and picture resolution is much higher than 500k. The people who categorically stated that they won't pay to watch people play a video game or clinging to the days of yonder where everything was free and only hardcore nerds bothered to watch shouldn't be allowed to watch e-Sports. People keep yelling at Gretech and Blizzard that they only want money and that this isn't going to grow the community. You all seem to want a great e-Sports scene but refuse to do ANYTHING yourselves. Like little kids only thinking about yourselves and what everyone else should be doing for you. Valid points are the price being too high and the quality being too low, but as for not wanting to contribute to e-Sports one day being big everywhere like it is in Korea, then go and watch football. The main difference is, this is WAY more than anyone pays for TV. This is more per month then I pay for TV, Internet and phone. In 3 months of watching this I could have bout the game twice. Day9 will pay it so I will just watch the dailys. | ||
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PeRk
United States73 Posts
Considering Blizzard is using GOMTV to run their esports in Korea. I'd say it is unlikely Blizzard has nothing to do with it. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
hahaha... | ||
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On September 02 2010 18:37 Samurai- wrote: Pay ? hahaha.. hahaha... +1 hahaha | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
This has everything to do with Blizzard. | ||
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Nilaus
Denmark159 Posts
I would never spend money on GOMTV without donating at least the same amount to Day9 first, because of the amazing job he is doing for free. | ||
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jahbulon
United Kingdom13 Posts
Trying to kill BW and then they want to charge us for the aftermath. This is what happens when corporate America tries to do e-sports. What a disgrace. | ||
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jahbulon
United Kingdom13 Posts
Don't be so god damn naive. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
i won't stand for it. | ||
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iCCup.riffe
Sweden23 Posts
... And I still think pro-Bw scene will live on, even If GOM goes sc2! | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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David.NDY
United States16 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
I would have payed then, but 20$ for a month is 2 much :S and more viewers => more sponsors .... ? | ||
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Champi
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251
United States1401 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
I pay for the internet, so I would like a free stream. If they put it on TV, just saying if, then you would hafta pay for cable... but starcraft wouldn't be fuckin pay-per-view. Right? | ||
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pastasauce
Canada28 Posts
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ChaosSmurf
United Kingdom175 Posts
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zerat00l
United States100 Posts
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ChewbroCColi
Denmark108 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:30 Telcontar wrote: the biggest shame is that tasteless and artosis wont have the audience they deserve. This. Those two guys are pure win! I am not sure what to do yet. ._. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
Well at least theese 10k $ would be enough to pay for tastosis paychecks. | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
anyone who does just encourages them to do this, its abusrd. | ||
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preacha
Norway210 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Here's their sample videos. Basically, low quality is unwatchable and high quality is low quality. Worth 50$? Give me a break. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
If you cant watch it, you dont see ads either. Which results in them not making money at all from people that would like to watch it. There is no way the people that will actually pay for it will make as much money as if it was free + with ads. What they must understand is that their actual foreign audience have a big number here on TL, people that are interested in this (I mean it wont be WoW players that really wait this) and numbers show no more than 5% are willing to pay for it. They would be far better with a shitload of ads (even if that would actually anoys me too but well...) and free stream, maybe 10-15$ for quality or some bonuses. I dont know, make maps with ads on the terrain... This is a very bad move too since this is the first tournament, if it is shit for 50$ there will be absolutly nobody for the next. I really think we dont have every informations or their marketing director is to be fired they will be losing potential money for this, now or for the future, they should be trying to grow their foreign audience not trying to reduce it. Just get Ads for international companies (Coca, computers parts...). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
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Lymzor
Romania3 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:11 SkelA wrote: NO!! I wont pay even if they ask for 1c per game. Watched 4 years of BW progaming for free till now and SC2 is not even half as entertaining. i couldnt say it better | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:00 andeh wrote: Dont let us watch sc2 Kill off bw scene gg (can you imagine a teamliquid without a korean proleague?) even tho I play sc2 mostly now, I would still cry if BW proleague disappeared. BW is just so central to esports history and plain awesome and so fucking entertaining even after a decade. that said, GOM is retarded for charging such ridiculous prices to watch a tourney. if it was like...10 bucks maybe, but 50 for everything? hahaha yea right. | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
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mikeDspike
Bulgaria15 Posts
I don't give a $#It even GOD himself cast the games, 50$ come ON.... rofl, | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On September 03 2010 03:54 Shikyo wrote: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/premiumzone/VideoSpecs.php Here's their sample videos. Basically, low quality is unwatchable and high quality is low quality. Worth 50$? Give me a break. this is a big joke.. high quality ? this they call high quality ? | ||
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eazo
United States530 Posts
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Recidivist
United Kingdom62 Posts
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Neos
United States400 Posts
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
Can't believe there are still people who defend GOMTV and are willing to pay for this joke of a stream. | ||
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Furaha
Germany271 Posts
But I guess there will be enough ppl who will pay... That's the bad thing... If we all wouldnt pay the might think over it again | ||
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
and the more of us that don't buy it, the more likely it is that they'll take huge losses on this tournament and realize that in order to turn a profit they need to follow the more conventional and less retarded route of a free stream with advertisements, and offer a truly high quality stream for a small price. looking at this poll, that's what they're going to have to do. they aren't going to make nearly as much money as they could just with a free stream with advertisements. only 3% of tl members who voted are going to pay for it. and those 3% are probably going to be just about the only ones anywhere who pay for it. tl members are the most dedicated starcraft fans, and only the most dedicated fans would pay 20 dollars to watch a tournament. if tl members won't pay for it, nobody will. | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
Nuff said. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Answer's no, even if GOMTV had a reputation for good streams. Which they don't. At all. | ||
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Laforge
Denmark33 Posts
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Abnormalitycomplex
United States2 Posts
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shtdisturbance
Canada613 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
Will definitely not purchase this. | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
That being Said, only people who are stupid, have no life, and think that just because you pay for something means its better will pay. Sadly we have a lot of those people in the world. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
On September 02 2010 14:40 911insidejob wrote: how do you figure the game is incomplete? Future balance patches? TWO expansions? post-expansion balance patches x2? | ||
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Beneather
Canada451 Posts
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:08 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote: This is the best league on the planet right now hands down. All the best players playing, Why wouldnt you pay for it unless you didnt care about the game. Watching top players in the world, or watch some ok players for free on MLG. for the same reason you don't buy your favorite brand of ice cream for 50 dollars per a cone | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
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ViruzZ
Sweden19 Posts
F U C K O F F | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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Nerd2k9
Germany16 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
this poll makes me laugh. of course not! | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:29 Adeny wrote: 242 yes votes, or 4840 dollars. GOM is going to crash and burn on this one unfortunately for Tasteless and Artosis. They won't even be able to cover Tasteless's and Artosis's salary with that... | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:08 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote: This is the best league on the planet right now hands down. All the best players playing, Why wouldnt you pay for it unless you didnt care about the game. Watching top players in the world, or watch some ok players for free on MLG. Highest prize purse != best league and there's plenty of top players that don't participate while there's some lower skilled ones that made it in. | ||
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Zombee
Germany69 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:29 Adeny wrote: 242 yes votes, or 4840 dollars. GOM is going to crash and burn on this one unfortunately for Tasteless and Artosis. 4840 Dollars from foreigners + Commercials in Korea, and with so few foreigners watching they do not need a lot of server bandwith. This is pretty much just sad for non Koreans and Tasteless, casting for 242 people. I think they just couldn't find enough sponsors from foreign countries to buy commercial time, or a big sponsore canceld out last minute, thats why they charge up,reduce foreign viewer numbers, save bandwith and still make some cash, actually they are pretty smart concerning buissness. Of course this also shows they give a fuck about the community. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
<3 the community sometimes. This becomes more and more ridiculous with everyday and more analogies being drawn via other sports, other leagues etc. Still sucks as GSL won't be as huge as it should be, but I'm glad the community has rallied. Nobody, should buy the stream. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
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Tassix
Canada26 Posts
I'm probably going to end up getting just the vods because I think it'll be worth it for the entertainment value. Live isn't a big deal to me because they're broadcast at a terrible time for me. Gom season 2/3 were frequently showing up late-morning EST. | ||
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Socram
Mexico46 Posts
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Zonel
United States100 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:45 Socram wrote: I believe the reason in Korea its free (makes money through advertisement to be exact) and here they charge is because they already have the software and advertisers ready in Korea, while here they did not have the time to get all that ready. Hopefully in the future they will move to an adds based model here like in Korea. get ustream to spread freestream. give HQ option for XX$. almost zero cost , easily 50k+ viewers(which is good for them,sc2 and creates more opportunity for adds), easy profit from HQ buyers its at this point its less about me paying or not(and i wont for many reasons) but about the missed opportunity. this couldve been the start of one of the biggest things in the esports world. now they will fail, people will pirate the shit outta them and they will decide foreign market isnt worth it because they have no options anymore (how do you get sponsors when your first season has 250 legit viewers?). | ||
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Jacopana
El Salvador210 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
We should thank GOM for freeing up a few more hours of our lives ... | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Not that I like SC2, but wow it probably sucks. | ||
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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
They're trying to milk dollars out of dimes.. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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DX_4
Germany180 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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torfteufel
Germany86 Posts
what drugs do you have to take to make yourself believe coming up with a pay-only policy one week before the broadcasts start is a good idea? seriously? and then exceeding the price by so much to every thing ever done in this genre? i am sorry for you both, tasteless and artosis! <3 hopefully the drugs wear off soon and someone will come to their senses... ps: and i payed/chipped in for various streams before and am currently having an esl subscription YOURE DOING IT WRONG | ||
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Kaeru
Sweden552 Posts
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:23 Tassix wrote: A better poll idea would be Yes/No and a few other price options. That way we'd actually generate some useful data. So you're suggesting that the current poll doesn't generate useful data for Gretech? LOL. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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SadStarcraft
Mexico56 Posts
/outrage | ||
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Engdrew
United States890 Posts
a far-fetched idea...but possible :O | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On September 03 2010 18:23 thunddr wrote: we should get tasteless + artosis to boycott this, refuse to commentate unless its free. a far-fetched idea...but possible :O Yeah not going to work, plus i'd hate to see them lose their jobs over this. | ||
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ShLiM
Bulgaria178 Posts
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BrahminKing
United States4 Posts
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:28 BrahminKing wrote: I dont pay to spectate the NBA, NFL, or NHL why in gods name would I pay to spectate GomTV? You don't pay for cable? Anyways, Free LQ stream hooray!! | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
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SuperGnu
Sweden240 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:37 Terrakin wrote: You don't pay for cable? Anyways, Free LQ stream hooray!! I bet he pays for his internet. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
But SC2? Hell no. | ||
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Exogelatin
Canada28 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:18 ShLiM wrote: no point in paying, if theres pirate stream, but i wonder if TL admins would allow pirate streams on the site? anyone have info on this? If they're really bent on charging for the stream, you can be sure that they'll be using their full weight to search and destroy any pirate streams. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2266 Posts
OH FUCKING WAIT!!!!!!! | ||
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Husmusen
Sweden92 Posts
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Scythe.ger
Germany11 Posts
Sponsoring vs Pay per View. It´s basically a no brainer to decide what is better to earn money and reach the community. Go Pirate Streamers go!!! I just hope to see some TLOwnage outside of GomTV... Hope someone gets my point, raging in a foreighn language was not my best subject at school | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
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SplittedOpen
Norway7 Posts
Anyways, stupid analogies aside, it's too early to charge 50$, if they should actually charge that much at all. For 50$, why don't I just save up for another copy of starcraft? I could make an alternate BNET account and play against Koreans. Or better yet, pay for a Korean class, so I can understand what those Korean commentators say, and watch for free? | ||
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TorcH
United States113 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149906 | ||
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