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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 27 2010 15:00 GMT
#641
RO8 was so bad,


dual gold Jaedong you can do it

mah boy zero </3
Writer
chameleonism
Profile Joined May 2010
United States31 Posts
August 27 2010 19:05 GMT
#642
If JD can beat Flash in the MSL finals, it will be one of the greatest SL runs ever. JD has basically had the toughest possible road laid for him and he has triumphed every step of the way so far. After the finals, he will have played three straight TvZ series against arguably the best three TvZers on the planet and that isn't mentioning the one-sided map pool.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
August 27 2010 19:55 GMT
#643
On August 28 2010 04:05 chameleonism wrote:
If JD can beat Flash in the MSL finals, it will be one of the greatest SL runs ever. JD has basically had the toughest possible road laid for him and he has triumphed every step of the way so far. After the finals, he will have played three straight TvZ series against arguably the best three TvZers on the planet and that isn't mentioning the one-sided map pool.

If Jaedong wins the map pool obviously isn't as one-sided as people think.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
August 27 2010 20:26 GMT
#644
On August 28 2010 04:55 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:05 chameleonism wrote:
If JD can beat Flash in the MSL finals, it will be one of the greatest SL runs ever. JD has basically had the toughest possible road laid for him and he has triumphed every step of the way so far. After the finals, he will have played three straight TvZ series against arguably the best three TvZers on the planet and that isn't mentioning the one-sided map pool.

If Jaedong wins the map pool obviously isn't as one-sided as people think.


And Katrina wasn't bad for TvP because Flash managed to win on it, and the Shinhan 3 map pool was fine for Zergs since Savior won that OSL. Right?
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 27 2010 20:26 GMT
#645
On August 28 2010 04:55 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:05 chameleonism wrote:
If JD can beat Flash in the MSL finals, it will be one of the greatest SL runs ever. JD has basically had the toughest possible road laid for him and he has triumphed every step of the way so far. After the finals, he will have played three straight TvZ series against arguably the best three TvZers on the planet and that isn't mentioning the one-sided map pool.

If Jaedong wins the map pool obviously isn't as one-sided as people think.


While I don't think the map pool is nearly as bad as people think (certainly not compared to the Shinhan 3 OSL maps where the most balanced map in the pool was Hitch Hiker), at the same time it should be noted that Jaedong winning would not prove that the map pool isn't one-sided.

Consider that Jaedong in his matches against Light in MSL and Flash in WCG, Jaedong was not able to win when the games extended into late game play. Obviously a large part of that has to be attributed to the super high level skills of Light and Flash, but realistically speaking, Jaedong would not have beaten Light if he hadn't gimmicked his way to victory on Polaris.

But actually, I voted for JD to win MSL in Liquibet. Even though I think Flash's TvZ is stronger than Jaedong's ZvT and even though the maps favor Terran, I think Jaedong has 55% chance of winning this one. JD has been playing pretty much nothing but ZvT lately. He's been practicing it extensively, whereas Flash is practicing TvT. And at this level of play, that difference in experience matters. Against hard opponents, Flash has been relying heavily on his late game turtle style recently, whereas Jaedong has been studying midgame timings extensively.

Jaedong will practice hard to find any possible way to deal game-winning damage during the early/midgame. If Flash anticipates this and blocks these moves, it will be a repeat of last MSL. Otherwise, JD will actually come into the MSL finals with the advantage, despite the maps.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 20:53:44
August 27 2010 20:51 GMT
#646
On August 28 2010 04:55 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:05 chameleonism wrote:
If JD can beat Flash in the MSL finals, it will be one of the greatest SL runs ever. JD has basically had the toughest possible road laid for him and he has triumphed every step of the way so far. After the finals, he will have played three straight TvZ series against arguably the best three TvZers on the planet and that isn't mentioning the one-sided map pool.

If Jaedong wins the map pool obviously isn't as one-sided as people think.



right...

so if a player triumphs versus very hard opponents on very hard map we can start to minimize it y saying the maps were balanced after all when they clearly are not

(I'm not saying Jaedong's MSL run was nearly impossible because of the maps but it is certainly impressive considering the maps and whom he went through and trying to minimize his feat if he wins by saying the maps were balanced after all when they clearly are not is stupid in my opinion)
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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 27 2010 21:31 GMT
#647
On August 28 2010 05:26 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:55 J1.au wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:05 chameleonism wrote:
If JD can beat Flash in the MSL finals, it will be one of the greatest SL runs ever. JD has basically had the toughest possible road laid for him and he has triumphed every step of the way so far. After the finals, he will have played three straight TvZ series against arguably the best three TvZers on the planet and that isn't mentioning the one-sided map pool.

If Jaedong wins the map pool obviously isn't as one-sided as people think.


While I don't think the map pool is nearly as bad as people think (certainly not compared to the Shinhan 3 OSL maps where the most balanced map in the pool was Hitch Hiker), at the same time it should be noted that Jaedong winning would not prove that the map pool isn't one-sided.

Consider that Jaedong in his matches against Light in MSL and Flash in WCG, Jaedong was not able to win when the games extended into late game play. Obviously a large part of that has to be attributed to the super high level skills of Light and Flash, but realistically speaking, Jaedong would not have beaten Light if he hadn't gimmicked his way to victory on Polaris.

But actually, I voted for JD to win MSL in Liquibet. Even though I think Flash's TvZ is stronger than Jaedong's ZvT and even though the maps favor Terran, I think Jaedong has 55% chance of winning this one. JD has been playing pretty much nothing but ZvT lately. He's been practicing it extensively, whereas Flash is practicing TvT. And at this level of play, that difference in experience matters. Against hard opponents, Flash has been relying heavily on his late game turtle style recently, whereas Jaedong has been studying midgame timings extensively.

Jaedong will practice hard to find any possible way to deal game-winning damage during the early/midgame. If Flash anticipates this and blocks these moves, it will be a repeat of last MSL. Otherwise, JD will actually come into the MSL finals with the advantage, despite the maps.


I agree with the majority what you said, however, in response to the bold, this really is a double edged sword. Flash has sooooo much footage of JD's ZvT whereas JD has very little of Flash's. I would not be surprised if Flash has totally changed his openings from the last MSL. Because of the lack of insight i would give a 55% for Flash not JD.

But this really is a matter of opinion. Personally I believe having your play style unknown to be an advantage over continuously playing a single matchup. And we all know Flash is going to have top notch ZvT just by looking at his practice partners. (Effort and ZerO who are the aggressive zerg and macro zerg respectively).

All that said, I really want this to be a close series. That's really all I want. I want it to go to game 5 with everyone unable to predict the winner if it goes to 5 games I will not care who wins XD
Jaedong and Baby
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 28 2010 03:28 GMT
#648
I love Jaedong
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:46:18
August 28 2010 04:44 GMT
#649
<pregame smacktalk>Flash is going to be #1 on next month's Power Rank. Sorry, Jaedong fans, but JD's gonna get CRUSHED!

Liquid FIGHTING!!!
pre_amp
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia47 Posts
August 28 2010 06:16 GMT
#650
I think both JD and Flash are playing so well atm that they both deserve #1. So excited about msl final.
yeah zerg, . . .zerg scary
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 28 2010 07:32 GMT
#651
Here it comes, the final test of skill, the battle for #1 PR.
Who will it be?
Also, LeeSsang looks a bit less invincible this time around, probably because good players actually started doing well.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 28 2010 08:14 GMT
#652
Screw a golden badge, and a chance to tie Nada's record JD's doing this for TL's PR I'm sure of it lol
Jaedong and Baby
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#653
So what is zerg supposed to do against scout--14cc (with wallin)
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 28 2010 11:06 GMT
#654
On August 28 2010 19:40 SuperArc wrote:
So what is zerg supposed to do against scout--14cc (with wallin)

4 pool. 9 pool speed.
Anything aggressive, really.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 11:08 GMT
#655
On August 28 2010 20:06 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:40 SuperArc wrote:
So what is zerg supposed to do against scout--14cc (with wallin)

4 pool. 9 pool speed.
Anything aggressive, really.


But if the terran scouts 9poolspeed, terran is just going to walling with 2 raxes?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 11:15:02
August 28 2010 11:10 GMT
#656
On August 28 2010 20:08 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:06 Lightwip wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:40 SuperArc wrote:
So what is zerg supposed to do against scout--14cc (with wallin)

4 pool. 9 pool speed.
Anything aggressive, really.


But if the terran scouts 9poolspeed, terran is just going to walling with 2 raxes?

It's late for that. The terran builds nothing until like 12 supply, so you could probably pull off 9ps.
Pretty much, just like what just happened.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 11:19 GMT
#657
So this time I asked several people what would happen if JD were to go 9pool to not get ridiculed by all the others.

And I still fail, so what am I doing wrong?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 28 2010 11:25 GMT
#658
Come to think of it, maybe 12 pool would be a good response to scout into 14cc.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 11:40:05
August 28 2010 11:39 GMT
#659
Flashs 14CC timing attacks are the most powerful thing in Brood War. The +1 on the marines killed so many mutas in game5.

GG

edit: Wrong thread, but whatever, fits in here as well
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 11:42:57
August 28 2010 11:41 GMT
#660
i guess no1 is settled + Show Spoiler +
is he bonwja now? long time for me at least
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