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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 11:42 GMT
#661
Flash won twice on PR and once on Odd-Eye.

Totally expected lol.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 28 2010 11:42 GMT
#662
If he wins OSL he is, but going 2-1 with Jaedong in finals and losing poweroutage are making a good case for him.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 11:45 GMT
#663
Jaedong and Flash are beyond bonjwa.

Why are we still having this discussion?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
August 28 2010 11:47 GMT
#664
On August 28 2010 20:45 SuperArc wrote:
Jaedong and Flash are beyond bonjwa.

Why are we still having this discussion?

maybe flash is going to be beyond beyond bonwja soon
fly.stat
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States449 Posts
August 28 2010 11:50 GMT
#665
"One of the key reasons why Flash got dropped this month is because he's been solved."

Completion of a 15 game win streak and MSL title over Jaedong after this is said. Hurts to be the one who put that statement on the internet right now. ;D
Until I write you again, take care of your precious person.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 11:53 GMT
#666
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 28 2010 11:57 GMT
#667
props to Flash for taking it,


though yeah as someone pointed out, twice on PR and once on odd-eye


anyways a nice performance by Flash anyways,


re-match is coming soon though
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
August 28 2010 11:58 GMT
#668
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.

Arguably JD is peaking right now. ELO peak, dual finals (probably), no human can beat him. Flash only happens to be even better right now.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
August 28 2010 11:58 GMT
#669
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.


You are asking for trouble with these statements, people will get pissed

And playing devil's advocate here, who says Flash has already peaked^^


"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland231 Posts
August 28 2010 12:01 GMT
#670
Yes. The reason should be that jd has been doing better, not flash have been solved.

anyway. Whole game, every match up (matchup?), many players have been solved many times,
and sometimes it just stays that way for some time, and with flash it was not the case, hm.
EX CATHEDRA!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 12:01 GMT
#671
On August 28 2010 20:58 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.

Arguably JD is peaking right now. ELO peak, dual finals (probably), no human can beat him. Flash only happens to be even better right now.


Nah, JD's peak was last year shortly before the PL finals.
JD is just so consistent that he didnt fall down like all the other major players. (same can be said about the current Flash)
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
August 28 2010 12:02 GMT
#672
So, no matter what happens in the OSL, best year ever by Flash.

Still, it could be a little better.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 28 2010 12:03 GMT
#673
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.


...? No he didn't?

He failed to win MSL and SPL, and won OSL, at his "peak."

Flash has won MSL and SPL. If he just MAKES it to the OSL Finals he has far surpassed Jaedong's peak.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 12:05 GMT
#674
On August 28 2010 21:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.


...? No he didn't?

He failed to win MSL and SPL, and won OSL, at his "peak."

Flash has won MSL and SPL. If he just MAKES it to the OSL Finals he has far surpassed Jaedong's peak.


I never said otherwise.

I dont even know what the "No he didnt?" refers to...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:07:09
August 28 2010 12:05 GMT
#675
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.

Bleh I don't know about that.

Flash this season

MSL 3 finals
OSL 3 finals (yeah he has to play free but look at their MSL series..)
PL gold
WL gold
PL most wins

vs

MSL 3 finals
OSL 1 final (assuming he beats Stork which is not as 100% as Flash v Free, but still likely)
...up until this one he hasn't even reached the Ro4 of the OSL
PL second most wins
(I am trying to say JD is not really that close to Flash right now accomplishment wise)
-----------------------------------
Flash has definitely had a much better solid season of Starcraft than JD (who is #2 obviously)

And if we're just talking about peak "skill" (as opposed to "peak accomplishments") at JD's peak Flash still was playing on JD's skill level even if he was dropping out of leagues and catching the losing end of their games.

For instance, JD/Flash on RH3 (very close great game), Flash v JD on Neo Harmony (knocking JD out of the MSL with great 2 hatch muta defense + clutch timing on the 3rd) and Flash/JD @ Sin CR... those games were all played around JD's "prime" and Flash played on JD's level. He was worse, but to say Flash was "nowhere near" JD is misgiving.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 28 2010 12:10 GMT
#676
On August 28 2010 21:05 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 21:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.


...? No he didn't?

He failed to win MSL and SPL, and won OSL, at his "peak."

Flash has won MSL and SPL. If he just MAKES it to the OSL Finals he has far surpassed Jaedong's peak.


I never said otherwise.

I dont even know what the "No he didnt?" refers to...


Well I mean, is it a compliment to say Fantasy was near Jaedong when Jaedong peaked? It's such a disingenuous statement that means nothing.
Remember Violet.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 28 2010 12:15 GMT
#677
My thoughts on the finals :
Frist of all i didn't get the impression that one of the player was a lot better then the other it was mostly mind games , carefully planed build orders and a bit of luck ( except maybe the fighting spirit game i didn't have the time to watch that one i came in time to watch the final game) . The series was a lot closer then it looked . Flash just played riskier then Jaedong and it paid of .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:43:16
August 28 2010 12:17 GMT
#678
On August 28 2010 21:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:53 SuperArc wrote:
Meh, at least I can say Flash was nowhere near JD when JD peaked.

But when Flash peaked JD was always right behind him.


...? No he didn't?

He failed to win MSL and SPL, and won OSL, at his "peak."

Flash has won MSL and SPL. If he just MAKES it to the OSL Finals he has far surpassed Jaedong's peak.


This isn't a fair argument . SPL finals format was different then and KTF as a team is better then Hwaseung not counting Flash and Jaedong . They even bought ForGG from Lecaf . Though Flash's run is more impressive then Jaedong's .
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 28 2010 12:19 GMT
#679
Yeah, but Flash won his game and Jaedong lost all of his, and both of them played a game that decided the final.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 12:19 GMT
#680
I'll never understand why MBC or OGN just dont put the most balanced map on sets 1 and 5.

Game 3 on FS showed us that JD and Flash can play such beautiful back and forth SC, but noooo.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
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