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On December 10 2009 16:35 Kinky wrote: If you look at Idra's game record and the ranks he played to get to A+, it suddenly becomes less impressive :| Wait what? You do realize that his A+ rank is probably the most impressive amongst any other foreigner, since he dodged 0 koreans, actually the majority of his games are against koreans. As for stats, A+ rank with overall 32nd(35th as of now) on ICCUP is darn impressive. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
how the FUCK. | ||
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rredtooth
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thunk
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
Very impressed by all 4 it was a hard choice but.... Anyone could play 700 games (sorta) but not anyone could go 57-0 or get A+. It's that impressive for a progamer to reach the best rank in comparison so i voted for yosh... I am also very impressed by morrow | ||
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aqui
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On December 10 2009 17:23 Patriot.dlk wrote: Very impressed by all 4 it was a hard choice but.... Anyone could play 700 games (sorta) but not anyone could go 57-0 or get A+. It's that impressive for a progamer to reach the best rank in comparison so i voted for yosh... I am also very impressed by morrow RAAAAAAAGE, NOO, hardly anyone could play that many games. Imho dedication like that is as much trainable as "natural talent". I get so angry when people say anyone could do something if they would just put effort into it. But the fact is that most people are not able to put such an effort into it. /ragemode off | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
57-0 is definitely more impressive though. How the fuck do you even manage that? How can you play 57 perfect games in a row!?!? Sick, insane, absolutely motherfucking bitch-ass crazy imo. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Kizlyk
Ukraine84 Posts
 700 games that's crazy... | ||
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Mastermind
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On December 10 2009 18:44 Mooncat wrote: Idra barely reached A+, then stopped playing any games. He hasn't play a single game as A+ yet. If he stays A+ after actually playing some games(against other A+s too), kudos! A+ is more of an achievement than a "rank"... 1/3 of the A+ rankers hover around 12000 which is one game between A+ and A. then there are only a handful players above them and thats less than a dozen game difference. so i don't see anything wrong with stopping at A+ | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On December 10 2009 22:52 Zurles wrote: 57-0 is just variance, anyone is capable of it. Idra crushed. i think more people have achieved A+ than 57-0, thats like saying iloveoov's streak is just a variance that a lot of top tvzers can achieve... or jaedong's zvz streak is just a variance. | ||
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Foucault
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PangO
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
A+ is impressive! but 700 games is fucking crazy!!! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
IdrA capable of beating A- koreans after being a progamer for almost two years isn't really that impressive feat to me. The thing thats impressive about IdrA is that he's done what so many foreigners has failed to do, which is going to korea and actually staying there. Playing sc 24/7 for 2 years is impressive. 57-0 could be impressive but more like impressive luck not facing any good players to that point. Its all about who you face. I though he was inactive, and if thats the truth then his comeback to higher A- is impressive to me. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On December 10 2009 18:31 aqui wrote: RAAAAAAAGE, NOO, hardly anyone could play that many games. Imho dedication like that is as much trainable as "natural talent". I get so angry when people say anyone could do something if they would just put effort into it. But the fact is that most people are not able to put such an effort into it. /ragemode off completely agreed | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
Mamon's 700 games is sickening. It's incomprehensible. It's Cartman-in-the-WoW-episode level of insanity. It's dedication, fierce grinding, and batshit crazy. It's Jaedong preparing for MSL, OSL, and Proleague at once. It's David Beckham able to overcome his limitations by outpracticing any football player in the world. It's Kevin Garnett chasing that first ring. It's one of those qualities that is as impressive and important as talent, if not more so. The proper response to this can be phrased in three words: shock and awe. But if Mamon's record is about shock and awe, Yosh's streak is shock and awesome. I can't find words to describe how this sets my brain reeling. This is beyond illogical. Picking 57 random BAD players, one of them is supposed to cheese and win. If all of those players had a 1.3% chance of winning (an approximate difference of 660 on Elo rank, a difference greater than the best SC pro of all times in his top form vs the worst rated pro in his worst form), odds would be against that streak. This is beyond insane. A sane person should have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that this actually happened. This is a sick, sick world in which things like this can happen. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
I think it's pretty close between yosh and idra.. but I mean there's just 33 people ahead of idra on iccup... THIRTYTHREE!!! | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On December 11 2009 00:44 Kazius wrote:he is definitely the most skilled foreigner ever, the most accomplished since Grrr, he hasn't accomplished anything in korea... his accomplishment in the foreign scene is impressive but hes a korean progamer. i mean mondragon's dominance in foreign scene is equally if not more impressive considering mondragon isn't in korea. | ||
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
He never adapts, plays the same s*it again and again and i have never been amazed by any of his matches (and i have seen many of them). It seems to me as idra is not smart enough for sc. I hope ret will stay in korea and shows that he is much better starcraft player, althought it may be impossible to beat the motivation and crazyness of koreans. My vote goes to yosh, seconded my mamon (hope you will own soon with your crazy motivation )-> go to korea :D | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
On December 10 2009 22:57 BabyRhino wrote: i think more people have achieved A+ than 57-0, thats like saying iloveoov's streak is just a variance that a lot of top tvzers can achieve... or jaedong's zvz streak is just a variance. /Facepalm It's still very impressive but you can't argue against the fact that it's just variance. | ||
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rredtooth
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On December 11 2009 01:58 Zurles wrote: using that logic couldn't you say idra got to A+ through variance?/Facepalm It's still very impressive but you can't argue against the fact that it's just variance. | ||
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TryThis
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
probly A+ tied with 57-0 for my favorite 700 hundred games is fucking amazing too though.. tough call! | ||
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UFO
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Louder
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QibingZero
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Mamon has played 700 games in 20 days. 35 games a day. Considering he's not a progamer, and that his game time average doesn't seem to be especially low (at the very least I'd say 6 hours of actual in-game time a day), this is insane. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 10 2009 17:23 Patriot.dlk wrote: Very impressed by all 4 it was a hard choice but.... Anyone could play 700 games (sorta) but not anyone could go 57-0 or get A+. It's that impressive for a progamer to reach the best rank in comparison so i voted for yosh... I am also very impressed by morrow haha I think anyone might be stretching it. The dedication it requires to do that is insane. Lets say he averaged 15 minutes a game. that is a 175 hours of GAMING alone, not even searching for games. This is even before the three weeks is up, so I would say hes probably going to get at least 100 more games in T_T | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On December 11 2009 02:40 redtooth wrote: using that logic couldn't you say idra got to A+ through variance? yes you could, which is why that logic is terrible. IdrA getting A+ is certainly impressive skill-wise, but going 57-0 is a crazy combination of skill, performing under pressure (If I was 30-0 or 40-0 I would start to get nervous about my first loss), and luck, and gets my vote. | ||
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selboN
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bEsT[Alive]
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1) Morrow at #2 because NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE would have guessed that. He has held onto it for some time. 2) Yosh: old school master of mech goes 57-0. Raw talent, check. Top 48, check. But, him going 57 and 0 to start off? So Yosh, what have you been doing lately? 3) Mamon playing 700 games. I knew someone would play close to 1000 games, but this old school player from Russia who keeps dropping in and out of the top 48? He doesn't even play Terran! Plus this guy hit the top 12 on more than one occasion. Another shocker. 4) IdrA +A. I expected some players to play around with A+ after seeing so many hit A- and A. I expected IdrA to be in the top 5. This isn't a big surprise at all. 5) Come on, everyone knows Ukraine has fucking solid players. I can name 7 off the top of my head. THIS SHOULDN'T SHOCK ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE CLAN LEAGUES AT ALL! -_- don't bold your entire post - fakesteve | ||
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StylishVODs
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On December 11 2009 04:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: haha I think anyone might be stretching it. The dedication it requires to do that is insane. Lets say he averaged 15 minutes a game. that is a 175 hours of GAMING alone, not even searching for games. This is even before the three weeks is up, so I would say hes probably going to get at least 100 more games in T_T He plays really allin-ish though, for example vs terran who FE he makes 12hatch pool gas and then nothing but lings after the first 12 drones and go for all-in attack. Still 700 games are impressive. | ||
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meeple
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GreEny K
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SoL[9]
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
I remember I used to check the top foreigner ranks and shit all the time and there were never any foreigners above A- | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On December 11 2009 00:55 7mk wrote: Props for an epic post, Kazius =) I think it's pretty close between yosh and idra.. but I mean there's just 33 people ahead of idra on iccup... THIRTYTHREE!!! Epic, but full of bullshit. Well at least the part about Idra being the second most accomplished. Has he not even heard of Elky? Psst... Kazius, Elky came a little after Grrr... and made top 4 in an OSL. Idra hasn't done that. But yes...A+ is impressive. I can agree with you on that much. | ||
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Nal_rAwr
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On December 10 2009 17:26 LunarDestiny wrote: yosh's 57-0 is better than A+ rank This. Many progamers attest to iCCup's low level, mentioning how even Haran got olympian status. IdrA is the best foreigner around and plays with CJ Entus all day. I should hope he can get A+ | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
However Idra's A+ is ridiculous. Yosh's 57-0 is also equally impressive kudo's and damnations to the man who broke that | ||
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blipster8
United States71 Posts
In summary: the skill level required to make A+ against koreans even *possible* (never mind how likely) is considerably higher than the level required to go 57-0. Hence the former is, to me at least, one of the more impressive achievements I've seen out of a foreigner recently, and certainly the coolest on this list. | ||
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Terranist
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On December 11 2009 06:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Epic, but full of bullshit. Well at least the part about Idra being the second most accomplished. Has he not even heard of Elky? Psst... Kazius, Elky came a little after Grrr... and made top 4 in an OSL. Idra hasn't done that. But yes...A+ is impressive. I can agree with you on that much. I'm an ElkY fan (and watched all his VODs, and follow his poker antics - for those who don't know, he is considered the hottest poker player nowadays), and his accomplishments are definitely impressive, but no medal and you have to admit progaming skill has increased a LOT since, hence I put Idra's record above it. It was a hard choice, and I know dissing Idra is always ranks high on the TL pass-time Power Rank, but give credit where it's due. | ||
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
On December 11 2009 00:44 Kazius wrote: Idra deserves massive respect for his rank, as well as taking down Korean players and not sticking to beating the crap out of the foreigners (which he could easily, easily do) - he is definitely the most skilled foreigner ever, the most accomplished since Grrr, and his 1000 point difference from #2 is a testament to just how much better he is than the rest of the field. Sure, some people might take him out in a single game or even a series, but the ladder is simple enough to read. There is no competition. Mamon's 700 games is sickening. It's incomprehensible. It's Cartman-in-the-WoW-episode level of insanity. It's dedication, fierce grinding, and batshit crazy. It's Jaedong preparing for MSL, OSL, and Proleague at once. It's David Beckham able to overcome his limitations by outpracticing any football player in the world. It's Kevin Garnett chasing that first ring. It's one of those qualities that is as impressive and important as talent, if not more so. The proper response to this can be phrased in three words: shock and awe. But if Mamon's record is about shock and awe, Yosh's streak is shock and awesome. I can't find words to describe how this sets my brain reeling. This is beyond illogical. Picking 57 random BAD players, one of them is supposed to cheese and win. If all of those players had a 1.3% chance of winning (an approximate difference of 660 on Elo rank, a difference greater than the best SC pro of all times in his top form vs the worst rated pro in his worst form), odds would be against that streak. This is beyond insane. A sane person should have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that this actually happened. This is a sick, sick world in which things like this can happen. I was going with Mamon, but you made me change my mind. Yosh's record is insane. But I have to agree with TheFoReveRwaR that Idra being the most accomplished foreigner ever is ridiculous. You just cannot put him above Elky, and maybe not even above Nazgul and Mondragon | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On December 11 2009 08:38 Nal_rAwr wrote: This. Many progamers attest to iCCup's low level, mentioning how even Haran got olympian status. IdrA is the best foreigner around and plays with CJ Entus all day. I should hope he can get A+ I feel the same way about Idra getting A+. Why is that such a suprise? He lives in korea, playing on a professional korean team, practicing endlessly with korean semi pros and pros, and plays in almost every big SC tourny out there. I would expect nothing less than A+ from him. | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
And considering who he played / how he did it, it is a real accomplishment. He didn't dodge ANYONE or MU / Opponent Select at all! IdrA is a very very strong player atm | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
but besides dat 57 - 0 record is impressive | ||
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geegee1
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 11 2009 09:10 Kazius wrote: I'm an ElkY fan (and watched all his VODs, and follow his poker antics - for those who don't know, he is considered the hottest poker player nowadays), and his accomplishments are definitely impressive, but no medal and you have to admit progaming skill has increased a LOT since, hence I put Idra's record above it. It was a hard choice, and I know dissing Idra is always ranks high on the TL pass-time Power Rank, but give credit where it's due. Wow kid, if you are saying that IdrA has accomplished more than Elky... we got a problem | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Future_sc
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On December 11 2009 09:10 Kazius wrote: I'm an ElkY fan (and watched all his VODs, and follow his poker antics - for those who don't know, he is considered the hottest poker player nowadays), and his accomplishments are definitely impressive, but no medal and you have to admit progaming skill has increased a LOT since, hence I put Idra's record above it. It was a hard choice, and I know dissing Idra is always ranks high on the TL pass-time Power Rank, but give credit where it's due. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/600_IdrA/games http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/344_ElkY/games Elky has beaten Casy, Zeus, Boxer, Gundam, Rainbow, terato, chrh, kingdom, yellow, themarine, hot-forever, sync and garimto in official matches. So far Idra has acomplished nothing in korean major tournaments or leagues. Not saying he won't in the future but at the moment there is no comparison. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On December 11 2009 08:44 DreaM)XeRO wrote: ev10-morrow (or whatev) is a manner player. very good star player However Idra's A+ is ridiculous. Yosh's 57-0 is also equally impressive kudo's and damnations to the man who broke that It was Rox.Fraer! who's a really impressive player himself. few can match the raw talent of Yosh and Androide, too bad Androide retired. | ||
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Imbu
United States903 Posts
Although slightly biased, I was very impressed by Yosh's 57-0. That was just plain amazing, considering how long Yosh hasn't been really playing. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
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On December 11 2009 10:59 ilj.psa wrote: morrow is overrated Yet he still holds a position in the top 10. What have you done lately? GTFO. | ||
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TheFallofTroy
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
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lazz
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On December 11 2009 12:22 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Yet he still holds a position in the top 10. What have you done lately? GTFO. lol | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On December 11 2009 15:31 lazz wrote: how the hell is a 57-0 streak impressive? getting A+ is way more of an achievement than dodging Koreans 57 times Yosh doesnt dodge koreans you tool, his rank is legit. Which is one more thing that makes him and his streak really amazing | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On December 11 2009 19:46 Waxangel wrote: ukraine, I didn't even know they played bw ;o lol they had 2 top 4 WCG runs the past 2 WCG years Their scene is top 3 in terms of BW in Europe(russia/pol are the other 2) Strelok had a really strong year in 07 and got a bronze in 08 WhiteRa was pretty much uncontested best P after TSL1 and has a top 4 WCG finish Dimaga is 2nd best Z after Ret Alf qualified for ro32 last TSL and overall their scene is very strong, anyone who is even slightly following the foreigner scene should know Strelok/Ra/Dimaga and this shouldnt be a surprise at all. So this poll is just basically asking Alf being in top 20 which is pretty hillarious, since Ra/Dimaga are top 10 foreigners and Strelok has been struggling but picked his shape back up | ||
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RiZn
United States22 Posts
someone playing 700 games is ridiculous hahaha!!!!! <-- that's all i have to say | ||
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Taly
Germany29 Posts
vote yosh [x] Idra is NOT the first foreinger to hit A+ btw | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
57-0 is pretty fucking impressive too though. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 12 2009 01:59 Taly wrote: Im so glad yosh is back crushing Zerg as easy as he allways did :D vote yosh [x] Idra is NOT the first foreinger to hit A+ btw This season alone there was that Australian whom I have never heard of that is A+... before any other foreigner. | ||
Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On December 12 2009 05:20 Chill wrote: Voted Morrow, not sure how he's #4 on the poll. Literally no one would have put Morrow at #2. The other ones people would have said are plausible. I shared the same sentiments. I have no idea how everyone is overlooking this. Yosh going 57-0 is really big too, but come on. Morrow in the 2 slot? He's still there RIGHT NOW. | ||
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[TYG]Transcend
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On December 12 2009 04:36 GreEny K wrote: This season alone there was that Australian whom I have never heard of that is A+... before any other foreigner. ICCUP sometimes mistaken Korean IP with Australian ones. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
Second choice would be yosh's streak..that is insane O_O. | ||
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Chameleon
United States604 Posts
Four Ukraine Flags- More impressive now that its 4 in top 8, but as far as top20 goes Dimaga White-ra and Strelok were all imo no-brainers to finish within that range. So the question is how impressive is it that Rox.Alf and fraer got in top20. The answer to me is: not as impressive as morrow being above all of them at the #2 spot. Morrow-700 games is a ton of games, but i'm not sure about calling it impressive since even a D player can accomplish that. Yosh's 57-0- why are people suprised that an A level player didnt lose to anybody in D/D+/C-/C/C+/B- ranks? Especially since he started laddering after most top TSL players got out of the low ranks I'd pretty much expect A level players not to start losing until around B level, but either way that 57-0 is really more like a 10-12 win streak maybe against people actually close to his skill level. Idra- At first I thought it might have been Idra's A+, but foreigners (at least White-ra has once) have gotten A+ before (and i guess this year whoever that australian guy is). Idra has been a progamer for something like a year and a half now, if he wasn't pretty easily capable of getting A+ i'd question what he's been doing all that time and why he's still there. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 12 2009 05:20 Chill wrote: Voted Morrow, not sure how he's #4 on the poll. Literally no one would have put Morrow at #2. The other ones people would have said are plausible. because it says impressive, not suprising | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
VOTE FOR i dunno why i just wrote that | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
A+ is fucking good. | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
Is it impressive? Hell yes. I'm completely split between that, the 57 win streak and the 600 games played though. #2 guy doesn't get my vote because he's not playing koreans at all. | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
On December 12 2009 08:51 chameleonia wrote: Has to be Morrow- totally shocking, a huge accomplishment, and most of the others arent really that 'impressive' imo. Yosh's 57-0- why are people suprised that an A level player didnt lose to anybody in D/D+/C-/C/C+/B- ranks? Especially since he started laddering after most top TSL players got out of the low ranks I'd pretty much expect A level players not to start losing until around B level, but either way that 57-0 is really more like a 10-12 win streak maybe against people actually close to his skill level. Dude. Morrow has been dodging not only koreans, but top foreigners. Seriously, even top foreigners can't get 57-0 if they tried. They'll drop a few games to cheese, weird strategies, or the ever-present factor of foreigner imperfections (lots of top foreigners can't even split, sometimes they macro weird, etc. They just don't have the "perfection" factor.) | ||
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krndandaman
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[TYG]Transcend
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On December 12 2009 15:11 krndandaman wrote: Not that impressed by 700 games. I see random d+ players with 500 games often, so why is it surprising that a serious gamer in a large tournament got 700 games in? Confuses me. Even someone on my iccup buddylist has 500-600 games last time i checked. Did they play that amount in 2 weeks? | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On December 11 2009 12:22 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Yet he still holds a position in the top 10. What have you done lately? GTFO. eh he admited to picking his opponents up and dodging to get there, clearly you know nothing about this. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
1 and a half months ago Morrow was as good as Machine. Many of us are aware of his antics, but can you say you expected this guy to claim the number 2 slot? Fuck no. Morrow himself would never claim he was capable of such a feat until low and behold. He's still number 2. Fuck, Greg cannot even say he expected himself to sit next to Morrow. NO ONE did. :. This is the most impressive feat considering no one expected it. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 12 2009 16:30 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Apparently you haven't been reading the official TSL Ladder Standing thread to know this. 1 and a half months ago Morrow was as good as Machine. Many of us are aware of his antics, but can you say you expected this guy to claim the number 2 slot? Fuck no. Morrow himself would never claim he was capable of such a feat until low and behold. He's still number 2. Fuck, Greg cannot even say he expected himself to sit next to Morrow. NO ONE did. :. This is the most impressive feat considering no one expected it. he no more deserves the #2 spot than octzerg did when he had it if he accomplishes something when he doesnt get to choose who he plays, then he'll have done something impressive. | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
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Lovin
Denmark812 Posts
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NFL2368
United States112 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Doesn't measure up at all. | ||
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Substandard
Italy270 Posts
Yosh's streak is impressive but i believe a lot of top foreigners would be capable of such a feat given a bit of luck with opponents and cheese. Idra is the only one who can get A+ playing koreans (yes even though he migt have played most of the games against A- guys he has also beaten A koreans). Morrow being number 2 is surprising but given the dodging and choosing of opponents it isn't as impressive since other "underdogs" like octzerg have clearly shown that it is possible to reach a higher ranking in this ladder system than arguably better, but less abusive players. | ||
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RiZn
United States22 Posts
On December 12 2009 18:27 IdrA wrote: he no more deserves the #2 spot than octzerg did when he had it if he accomplishes something when he doesnt get to choose who he plays, then he'll have done something impressive. lol that'd be hilarious is idra gets beat out by morrow- now "he'll have done something impressive." ;p | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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fAnTaCy
United States893 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
ive been dodging alot but also keep in mind there have been 3 times more player who have dodged me than i have dodged others if anyone could get #2 by dodging then i wouldnt still be #2 im not trying to promote myself saying im most impressive or anything (i think idras a+ was most impressive in this poll) im just letting u know most people has been dodging... | ||
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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LF9
United States537 Posts
.And not to bash TSL or anything, but the format is kind of corrupt; any system when you get to choose your opponents is just BEGGING to be abused in so many ways. | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
imo A+ vs koreans is far more impressive than 57-0 vs non-koreans, dont u guys remember how testie managed to do 100-0 on pgtour? (yea he picked map and matchup, but anyway, 57-0 isnt that hard, every top foreigner can achieve this if he avoid playing good koreans) 1st spot is for mamon for ~710 games now, thats really sick | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On December 12 2009 16:30 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Apparently you haven't been reading the official TSL Ladder Standing thread to know this. 1 and a half months ago Morrow was as good as Machine. Many of us are aware of his antics, but can you say you expected this guy to claim the number 2 slot? Fuck no. Morrow himself would never claim he was capable of such a feat until low and behold. He's still number 2. Fuck, Greg cannot even say he expected himself to sit next to Morrow. NO ONE did. :. This is the most impressive feat considering no one expected it. so many wrongs in this post. yeah no one expected it but : NO HE DID NOT DESERVED THE 2 SPOT BECAUSE HE WAS DODGING TO GET THERE. Dunno how to emphasize it enough unless you are Morrow himself | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On December 13 2009 08:33 ilj.psa wrote: so many wrongs in this post. yeah no one expected it but : NO HE DID NOT DESERVED THE 2 SPOT BECAUSE HE WAS DODGING TO GET THERE. Dunno how to emphasize it enough unless you are Morrow himself MorroW will rape your family and then, with a malevolent smile, feast upon the the carcasses of their ravaged bodies. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
On December 13 2009 07:51 LF9 wrote: 700 games really isn't that much if you think about it. You could reach that in 2 weeks at 50 games per day, which if you are driven and dedicated at anything is probably near par. Idra's A+ is obviously impressive, but "foreigner" or no, he is kind of in a class of his own among foreigners now and things like this shouldn't really come as a surprise. He is a good player, but I think everyone already knew that. Yosh has always been good, but I didn't know he was active, and streaks like this are very impressive. Even the very best players are susceptible to cheese, and it's very hard to maintain long streaks on ladders (even more so than top leagues at times) because you don't know the players you are playing against, so you don't know what to expect. Hat's off to Yosh, because he must be playing ridiculously solid and safe so as to defend all the cheese but somehow still able to keep up with people who play standard every single game. Smells like he's been practicing .And not to bash TSL or anything, but the format is kind of corrupt; any system when you get to choose your opponents is just BEGGING to be abused in so many ways. 50 games a day at 15 minutes a game is close to 12 hours for 2 weeks. You don't think that's impressive, hahaha? | ||
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On December 13 2009 09:16 XeliN wrote: MorroW will rape your family and then, with a malevolent smile, feast upon the the carcasses of their ravaged bodies. No | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
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John49ers
United States237 Posts
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On December 13 2009 15:56 Louder wrote: I can't believe kids think a 57-0 streak is more impressive than A+ vs koreans. Proof that the people voting in the poll know next to nothing about this game. I guess people doesn't find it impressive that a guy who's been a progamer for 2 years is able to defeat A- koreans... What impresses me the most is that he actually stayed in Korea for so long. Takes some willpower | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On December 13 2009 15:56 Louder wrote: I can't believe kids think a 57-0 streak is more impressive than A+ vs koreans. Proof that the people voting in the poll know next to nothing about this game. Also note that kid went 57-0 got dq'd for ladder abuse | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia917 Posts
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annYeong(o11)
Canada784 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On December 13 2009 17:50 annYeong(o11) wrote: ladder abuse was retarded and after his streak, but keep inmind only 19 games of the streak were against B- or higher its still possible he used other methods to abuse | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
On December 13 2009 15:56 Louder wrote: I can't believe kids think a 57-0 streak is more impressive than A+ vs koreans. Proof that the people voting in the poll know next to nothing about this game. Iccup nowdays care only about one thing, stats! I'm on D+ / C- ranking, I dont care about stats, I never reset account, so I checked win precentages around that rank. And It was quite funny how everybody else was so much better with stats and precentage and so much less games played. I'm happy and proud too see people on this ladder with over 500 games, that shows that they want this more than anything. Shame Mamon didnt make it  | ||
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