EPTand F91 like i said almost took out stork in his prime at the time. So base on this, F91 is ahead of nony, but nony did have like a good month of living in a pro team to make up for the skill gap, I really hope nony can take out F91, or at least take 3 games from him and make it close.
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rei
United States3594 Posts
and F91 like i said almost took out stork in his prime at the time. So base on this, F91 is ahead of nony, but nony did have like a good month of living in a pro team to make up for the skill gap, I really hope nony can take out F91, or at least take 3 games from him and make it close. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Nony should abuse zergs lack of micro in lan lat and play defensive/grade heavy lategame oriented toss. If he does I'm sure he can do all right. If he plays standard I'm sure just like with strelok f91 will be able to lag abuse him to death. I've seen a couple chinese zergs abuse cosairs lack of micro against early mutas a million times so that is definately an adjustment that we should hope nony keeps in mind. | ||
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
On March 22 2009 11:07 AttackZerg wrote: As long as f91 isn't overly offended, and doesn't even mind restarting after being up 2/0 or so it seems, then I think it doesn't really matter. This. I don't think either player is being particularly mannered (assuming that Ash's posts were made following a request by F91, and weren't entirely his own idea), but it's in the past, just shake hands, agree on a standard beforehand, and try again. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On March 22 2009 11:16 CaptainPlatypus wrote: This. I don't think either player is being particularly mannered (assuming that Ash's posts were made following a request by F91, and weren't entirely his own idea), but it's in the past, just shake hands, agree on a standard beforehand, and try again. I don't think anyone here needs to defend F91 from you. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
This means that either the Chinese as a whole are much better than we previously thought, or that something else is at work in the Liquibition games (aka lag). | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On March 22 2009 12:03 motbob wrote: Isn't it interesting that F91 defeated 3 of the best foreigners, (Idra, Strelok, Nony 2-0) and yet lost pretty badly in the qualifiers for ESWC (brackets are here). This means that either the Chinese as a whole are much better than we previously thought, or that something else is at work in the Liquibition games (aka lag). Winning in 'unplayable' lag, hardly constitutes defeat. It's rescheduled anyways. | ||
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bludragen88
United States527 Posts
On March 22 2009 12:03 motbob wrote: Isn't it interesting that F91 defeated 3 of the best foreigners, (Idra, Strelok, Nony 2-0) and yet lost pretty badly in the qualifiers for ESWC (brackets are here). This means that either the Chinese as a whole are much better than we previously thought, or that something else is at work in the Liquibition games (aka lag). I don't think that's very conclusive - maybe he had a bad matchup, or maybe people in China are more familiar with his style (I'm sure the top Chinese players play each other at least a fair amount), or maybe he just had a bad day/tournament. He has been convincingly better than these foreigners, so if there was lag it could factor in, but the results themselves don't prove anything. If he were losing to C+ players on ICCUP all over the place and then 5-2d Idra and Strelok, then we could wonder. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On March 22 2009 10:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Mainly because a lot of people here fickle. Remember when it was F91 v JF? Before that, about 1% of the TL population knew who F91 is, and the Liquibet statistics showed JF as the overwhelming favorite. Because JF was coming off 4 Liquibition wins, everyone just assumed he'd steamroll everyone. And then F91 came along and basically demolished JF, and now, 3 more Liquibitions later, TL is enamored with F91. If Nony wasn't Nony, people'd be predicting F91 4-0. Not many people here have an accurate gauge of the skill levels of many of the foreign pros relative to each other. People sway where the wind blows. I need to learn to put things into prospective like you do. You wrote that whole thing out addressing the ignorance level on this forum without offending anyone. I like you. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On March 22 2009 12:03 motbob wrote: Isn't it interesting that F91 defeated 3 of the best foreigners, (Idra, Strelok, Nony 2-0) and yet lost pretty badly in the qualifiers for ESWC (brackets are here). This means that either the Chinese as a whole are much better than we previously thought, or that something else is at work in the Liquibition games (aka lag). PJ / Lx / F91 / Super etc... are ( at least imo ) on the same level than Ief, Strelok Nony or Idra lol. And tbh China >>>>>>>>>>> any other country ( except Korea ;D ). They have like 10 players who could be on liquibition. Now try to find 10 players who deserve to be on this showmatch in the US or even Poland ( two quite strong countries ). You will find 4-5 max :/ | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Super's, in my opinion, on a lower level. But this proves my point about how most people here don't have an accurate view of the skill level of foreigners, especially Chinese ones - you basically presented Lx as a "nobody" who beat F91, when in fact he was the favorite going into the matchup. | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
QFT. What a winner. | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
I'm glad I voted for F91. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
I know there are quite a few rich TL posters. Maybe one of them can donate money to fly F91 to US (not Nony to China cause that would just give him another excuse)? Or maybe we should start a pot for "donate to F91 US ticket" | ||
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Deleted User 39582
317 Posts
On March 22 2009 13:59 mmdmmd wrote: OK, I know there are quite a few rich TL posters. Maybe one of them can donate money to fly F91 to US (not Nony to China cause that would just give him another excuse)? Or maybe we should start a pot for "donate to F91 US ticket" because i'm sure f91 would want to fly to the US to win $25 (assuming he wins) | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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Creationism
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On March 22 2009 09:53 bludragen88 wrote: No matter what happened, whether we take one side's story or the other side's story, or the midpoint of the two, I don't see how we can skewer Nony for his alleged less than diplomatic statements, and not do the same to Ash. There is absolutely no reason to come post a note like that - if that's not a straight up flame/troll I don't know what is. I can think of a million better ways to raise the issues that Ash raised, and explain the story, without needing to convince us that Nony is bm - let public opinion decide that Nony was at fault if you're truly on the "right" side. It's not a flame/troll, it's just an argument; with support and etc to back it up. In fact, it could maybe be the truth (<---key word, maybe), in which case it's anything but a flame. It's the follow-up posts that ignite the flamewars. | ||
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yiwei
China29 Posts
hahahaha....... | ||
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Doso
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