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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
February 06 2009 18:48 GMT
#21
pvp is my least favorite matchup to watch, but there is no way i'm missing bisu vs jangbi. soooo sick
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
February 06 2009 18:51 GMT
#22
Great writeup as always.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
February 06 2009 18:56 GMT
#23
Great writeup.

Disheartened at Free though. I'm afraid he's ending up like a Junwi version of protoss. Weak nerves.

But alas, Jangbi vs Bisu is quite possibly the best PvP mu a person could ask for, next to maybe Best or Stork in combination with them.
Aurious
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1772 Posts
February 06 2009 19:27 GMT
#24
Jangbi is boring I hope he loses
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
February 06 2009 19:54 GMT
#25
Nice writeup. JAngbi > Free quite easily
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
February 06 2009 20:36 GMT
#26
"You won't wanna miss watching these two tsunamis of gosu collide." :D
rofl now i can't await the final. I say Jangbi 3 Bisu 2
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 06 2009 20:36 GMT
#27
Free really should have played better. kind of sad.

Nice writeup

If jangbi gets second, the jokes of him being "just like stork" are never going to end
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 06 2009 20:36 GMT
#28
Hahahahaha tsunami of gosu. Thanks Tadziooooooooo!
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 06 2009 20:51 GMT
#29
On February 07 2009 02:26 mO.Palantir wrote:
Sry but Bisu will 3-0 this nub.


I agree with this sentiment.


Thanks for the writeup!!
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
February 06 2009 20:54 GMT
#30
Bisu wins 3-1.
Thx for great write-up Tadzio!
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-06 21:12:00
February 06 2009 21:10 GMT
#31
wtf? a manner pylon makes you lose? you've never seen a game where a person manner pylon'd and won? How much pvp do you watch? Theres literally hunderds of examples, and the list gets big and bigger every day as manner pylons become more frequent.

Saying that Jangbi vs Bisu on Destination was nail biting is kind of odd. Considering Jangbi was massively ahead the whole game due to not a manner pylon, but his successful reaver harass that reduced Bisu's probe count to practically nothing, and sniped two nexus'.

Wow...
On February 07 2009 03:33 disciple wrote:
JangBi's pvp is good but I'm not sure he is trashing stork all over the place in practice games like the birdtoss says. The maximum JB could take from this finals is the game on destination and the cash for the runner-up. It should be exciting but in end of the day KTY will add another badge on his shirt
Jangbi's kind of like a mini magma, where hes known for doing much better in practice. That, and Stork kind of sucks at the moment.
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
February 06 2009 21:46 GMT
#32
I like JangBi and all, but I think I have to cheer for Bisu in the finals. DIdn't tasteless say something about a bo5 between the winner of this season, and the winner of last season? A Bisu vs Jaedong bo5 would be amazing. I think Bisu has the slight edge to take the finals, but it should be a good series. Loved the writeup!
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
February 06 2009 21:50 GMT
#33
@dazed_spy lol... First, no one mentioned any nails or, for that matter, biting so stop making shit up. The crack about Bisu's manner pylon costing him the game was a joke, learn to spot them (parenthetical asides that explain that it's a joke are meant to help, btw). Second, I put plenty of qualifiers on my statement about manner pylons and even followed up in a later post by saying I wasn't making any concrete claims about their effectiveness. But, hell, if you want to make a mountain out of a molehill and rant against my anecdotal and GOM-related observation, knock yourself out. I'd start by counting the PvPs in GOM with manner pylon and seeing how often they result in wins. Here, I'll help by covering the ones I did battle reports for:

Free vs Jangbi; Free manners all 3 games, loses all 3 times.
Backho vs Stork; BackHo manner pylons game 2, loses game 2.
free vs Tempest; Tempest manner pylons games 2 and 3, loses both games.

That's right... Manner pylons are 0-6 since the RO16 got underway. To be sure, this isn't definitive evidence that manner pylons are self-destructive, but it's not exactly the most convincing proof that they're viable, and it certainly makes my off-hand comment about how the strategy is performing in the GOM classic at least somewhat accurate.

Step off ma nutz, fanboi.
dmetheny
Profile Joined July 2008
United States146 Posts
February 06 2009 23:14 GMT
#34
Jangbi has looked good enough to take one, maybe two games off of KTY, but never three. he is just too good in bo5's
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-07 03:40:17
February 06 2009 23:38 GMT
#35
Thank you for the writeup Tadzio!

Apostrophe error in the second sentence x_x Nice edit!!
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 07 2009 00:18 GMT
#36
On February 07 2009 06:50 Tadzio wrote:
@dazed_spy lol... First, no one mentioned any nails or, for that matter, biting so stop making shit up. The crack about Bisu's manner pylon costing him the game was a joke, learn to spot them (parenthetical asides that explain that it's a joke are meant to help, btw). Second, I put plenty of qualifiers on my statement about manner pylons and even followed up in a later post by saying I wasn't making any concrete claims about their effectiveness. But, hell, if you want to make a mountain out of a molehill and rant against my anecdotal and GOM-related observation, knock yourself out. I'd start by counting the PvPs in GOM with manner pylon and seeing how often they result in wins. Here, I'll help by covering the ones I did battle reports for:

Free vs Jangbi; Free manners all 3 games, loses all 3 times.
Backho vs Stork; BackHo manner pylons game 2, loses game 2.
free vs Tempest; Tempest manner pylons games 2 and 3, loses both games.

That's right... Manner pylons are 0-6 since the RO16 got underway. To be sure, this isn't definitive evidence that manner pylons are self-destructive, but it's not exactly the most convincing proof that they're viable, and it certainly makes my off-hand comment about how the strategy is performing in the GOM classic at least somewhat accurate.

Step off ma nutz, fanboi.

"The game the two players shared on Destination was a half-hour tooth-grinding, back-n'-forth harass-fest that Bisu lost-- I'm convinced-- only because he opened with a manner pylon. And as we've all learned during this season of GOM, a manner-pylon is just a white flag of surrender by another name (tongue firmly set in cheek)." Tooth grinding, back and forth- this qualifies a game that was not one sided. It was one sided. As for you making a joke about manner pylons, I actually glanced over "tongue firmly set in cheek" so I thought you were being serious.

Games where manner pylons were won: Almost any of kals victorious pvp's, a huge percentage of Jangbi's pvp's [for ex: against kal], quite a few games from Sangho as well. Not to mention an innumerable amount from past leauges and proleauge. Manner pylons are done probably a quater of the time in pvp, clearly this a tactic practiced again and again, and is found to be a risk, but a risk with rewards.
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Dr.Green
Profile Joined October 2008
Philippines264 Posts
February 07 2009 00:44 GMT
#37
im worried about Bisu here. Jangbi is on a tear lately. But still hoping for a Bisu win!
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-07 01:56:22
February 07 2009 01:55 GMT
#38
On February 07 2009 09:18 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 06:50 Tadzio wrote:
@dazed_spy lol... First, no one mentioned any nails or, for that matter, biting so stop making shit up. The crack about Bisu's manner pylon costing him the game was a joke, learn to spot them (parenthetical asides that explain that it's a joke are meant to help, btw). Second, I put plenty of qualifiers on my statement about manner pylons and even followed up in a later post by saying I wasn't making any concrete claims about their effectiveness. But, hell, if you want to make a mountain out of a molehill and rant against my anecdotal and GOM-related observation, knock yourself out. I'd start by counting the PvPs in GOM with manner pylon and seeing how often they result in wins. Here, I'll help by covering the ones I did battle reports for:

Free vs Jangbi; Free manners all 3 games, loses all 3 times.
Backho vs Stork; BackHo manner pylons game 2, loses game 2.
free vs Tempest; Tempest manner pylons games 2 and 3, loses both games.

That's right... Manner pylons are 0-6 since the RO16 got underway. To be sure, this isn't definitive evidence that manner pylons are self-destructive, but it's not exactly the most convincing proof that they're viable, and it certainly makes my off-hand comment about how the strategy is performing in the GOM classic at least somewhat accurate.

Step off ma nutz, fanboi.

"The game the two players shared on Destination was a half-hour tooth-grinding, back-n'-forth harass-fest that Bisu lost-- I'm convinced-- only because he opened with a manner pylon. And as we've all learned during this season of GOM, a manner-pylon is just a white flag of surrender by another name (tongue firmly set in cheek)." Tooth grinding, back and forth- this qualifies a game that was not one sided. It was one sided. As for you making a joke about manner pylons, I actually glanced over "tongue firmly set in cheek" so I thought you were being serious.

Games where manner pylons were won: Almost any of kals victorious pvp's, a huge percentage of Jangbi's pvp's [for ex: against kal], quite a few games from Sangho as well. Not to mention an innumerable amount from past leauges and proleauge. Manner pylons are done probably a quater of the time in pvp, clearly this a tactic practiced again and again, and is found to be a risk, but a risk with rewards.


I'm sorry, but surely you need to read a bit closely before responding. Note the bolded part for emphasis.

And while I agree that the Jangbi-Bisu game wasn't "half hour's worth" of back and forth play, it was for at least the first half of the game. That said, Bisu had a chance to come back because Jangbi missed his window to push in after winning that initial battle(perhaps thought Bisu retreated rather than having no army left?) But Bisu couldn't get enough harrasses later on to come back.

While that game didn't show much in terms of strategies, since I don't think either player wanted to show their hand. But it did show how well Jangbi can both deal with harrasses and how well he could carry them out.
Meh
shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
February 07 2009 02:52 GMT
#39
something tells me its gonna be 3-1 either way
F91
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand77 Posts
February 07 2009 03:29 GMT
#40
On February 07 2009 03:40 Jaksiel wrote:
The Destination game wasn't really back and forth. Jangbi just took forever to win the game for some reason after he had a huge advantage.



cause whoever crosses the bridges is at a disadvantage when engaging the enemy
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