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Korean News Flash 2009-01-26

Text byLosingID8
January 26th, 2009 09:03 GMT
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This issue is brought to you by: LosingID8, OneOther, MrHoon, Infinity21, and SuperJongMan


Hello Team Liquid!

It sure has been quite a while since the last issue of Korean News Flash. With the new year, KNF has made some major changes to improve our coverage of the Korean Starcraft scene.

First off, we have recruited a lot new translators! Here's what the new team looks like:
  • Main Translator: LosingID8
  • Co-Translator: OneOther
  • Associate Translators: SuperJongMan (strategy), Infinity21 (interviews), MrHoon (interviews), and Wala.Revolution (TBD)

Please give them a warm welcome!

If you would like to become part of the translation team please PM me. Please know that it is a commitment and not a one-time sort of deal.

Because it has been such a long time since our last issue, I thought it would only be fair to provide you guys with a MASSIVE issue of KNF (33 pages and 2,952 words, to be exact). Enjoy!




In This Issue!
  • A Post-Game Interview with Kim Taek Yong (Bisu)
    Source: Fomos, translated by MrHoon
  • An Interview with OGN Sparkyz Coach Jun Tae Gyu (ZeuS)
    Source: Fomos, translated by LosingID8
  • New Face Interview with Lee Kyung Min(Horang2)
    Source: Fomos, translated by LosingID8
  • Premiere Starcraft Rivalries
    Source: YGOSU, translated by LosingID8
  • Strategy Guide: 1rax into FE
    Source: YGOSU, translated by SuperJongMan
  • A 5-Part Interview with Lim Yo Hwan (Boxer)
          Part 1 by OneOther
          Parts 2 and 3 by LosingID8
          Parts 4 and 5 by Infinity21
    Source: OGN's STAR 7224
  • Korean Coverage by TL!
    Source: Various, translated by the Team Liquid community!




Kim Taek Yong (Bisu) Interview

Translated by MrHoon

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- Any words after finally beating KTF in your 7 loss streak against them?
▲ We couldn't beat them recently, so I guess we were much more determined to beat them. Also the SKT team manager asked us to please beat this matchup so we tried even harder. We are very relieved we beat them.

- You were in a 5 streak loss against Lee Young Ho (Flash) (they still aren't including gomtv and calling it a 'private match', god knows why). BTW THIS ONE IS FULL OF IRONY
▲ I know I was losing alot. However I knew he never changes his style because he is stubborn. Last time on GOM after I won I was very relieved. When I played against him, I knew there was a very high chance I would show bad performance so I just played in a very relaxed fashion. But when I won, I earned a lot of confidence. He lost because he plays very safe at the beginning and tries to win the game at the later stages. Also he is stubborn, making him very predictable. (lol)

- Your first expo timing was very fast.
▲ I had 4 gates but flash had 1 factory so I had the ability to get a fast expo. Also today's build was a build that would be very effective against Young Ho. However the build was failing when I couldn't destroy enough tanks with 2 shuttles. I thought I was at an disadvantage.

- When did you think you won?
▲ He gave me too much time. When the mine daebak exploded in the center killing off Young Ho, I knew I had the advantage. Also when I got 3 o'clock and decreased his unit count I knew I won.

- You are #1 in proleague win rate
▲ Ah... I'm good (bisu laughs). I am getting results I thought I should be getting. I think my skills are getting better than before.

- You dropped the Starleague in a very depressing fashion.
▲ After losing game 1 I fell apart which probably led the result to game 2. If I had to blame on something I would like to say it was the map fault. These days you can't 1gate or you won't beat a zerg. That is why double nexus is the only viable strat against zerg, however tears of the moon has 2 rush entrances. Even though I prepared the best simcity possible (Translator's note: THAT IS A LIE BISU DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT) the zerglings came through. To block both entrance it takes too much resources and time.

- Do you have any plans for an All Kill during the 3rd round?
▲ In team battle it seems like people who are skilled have an advantage. I believe I am skilled enough so I am confident. Instead of telling people I will all-kill I will show everyone I can do all-kills.

- Any last words?
▲ I would like to thank everyone at SKT1 for practicing with me.

Credit: Reporter Shim Hyun
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OGN Sparkyz Coach Jun Tae Gyu (ZeuS)

Translated by LosingID8

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1st generation progamer and ceremony legend. There is a name that comes to mind when you hear this phrases. It is of course Jun Tae Gyu of OGN Sparkyz.

He has been a progamer for 8 years, since OGN Sparkyz was known as KOR. Starting from Janurary he has switched his position from a player to a coach.

While in his prime he reached a Starleague finals, but afterwards he became known best for his 2v2 teamplay skills. Perhaps it is because of his long history as a player that he hasn’t quite settled into his role as a coach.

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An Interview with Jun Tae Gyu

- Since when did you plan on being a coach
▲ Actually, ever since the last league finished I’ve been acting as an assistant coach. To put it more clearly, I was in kind of an in-between position as a player and coach. I wasn’t sure which way to go, but with the help of some staff members I made the decision.

- What’s different that you’re now a coach?
▲ When I was in the middle position I tended to be more sympathetic to the player’s perspective. However now that I’m an official coach I’ve subconsciously become more calm and collected in my decision making. Looking at things from the viewpoint of a coach helps me look at things more rationally. I guess you could say my perspective has changed.

- Can you give us examples?
▲ In the past when I saw a player I would think “This player needs to do better…” but now I see it as “How can I help this player improve.” Previously I was a hyung (close, older male) who would advise them, but now I have a clear authority so I can give them instructions to do this or that. However this also means that I feel the burden of responsibility.

- I hear Coach Ju Jin Chul (Side_LeGenD) has treated you well
▲ I have learned a lot from him, so I feel that I will be following him a lot. I think it’s important to use him as a model, and then also I can bring in the “know-how” I gathered in my previous experience as a player.

- How were the reactions of the teammates?
▲ Since I was already acting as an assistant coach at the time it wasn’t that big of a deal.

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- Do you hold any regrets about your history as a progamer?
▲ I feel great that I was able to do something I truly loved. Of course there is that sentiment of “if I had just practiced a bit more at that time I could have done better…” but I think what the future has in store is more important. The only thing I am truly regretful about is that I wasn’t able to show great results for my fans. My current fancafe (online fanclub) admin is still the same person from when I first started out as a progamer, so I am very thankful to them. Also, after I declared that I would be a coach many fans cheered me on. Since this is not the end, but rather a new beginning I hope that they would continue to cheer my on.

As a progamer, my greatest regret is not being able to win an individual league. I think at the time rather than effort, I tried to use my intelligence to win the game. If you play like that, then it is only a matter of time before you fall from greatness. I regret not trying harder at that point in time.

- Do you find it awkward to be a coach?
▲ There are still many people out there who don’t know I’m not a coach. When I go shopping or out to eat, many people recognize me but they always think I am still a progamer.

- I hear your lifestyle has changed a lot, too.
▲ Well, as I said before I was already helping out with the coaching staff, so it hasn’t changed too much. However, now that I have officially started working, there are a lot of new responsibilities. I tend to need a lot of rest at night, but my hours that I am able to sleep have decreased, unfortunately. In the practice room, I need to supervise them until the last player finishes so that increases work hours significantly.

- Who listens to you the best?
▲ Lee Seung Hoon (Chalrenge) listens to me the best. Ever since he joined the team he listened to me well. Of course, the person who doesn’t listen to me the most is Seung Hoon (haha). Back when we were both full players we had a lot of competition. But when I moved to the intermediary role, it was a bit distressing. I thought, “why didn’t I help him more at that point in time?” But even now I don’t think it’s too late.

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- What do you think are the benefits of being a former-player turned coach?
▲ It is the obvious truth that players understand the game better than the coaches. However when players talk with each other, their perspective is very narrow. They are preoccupied with the thought of “I better not lose.” However as a coach I am able to put things into perspective. Most players don’t see the weaknesses in their playstyle, but rather think that they are using the most optimal builds. I think I will be able to help fix these issues.

- Are there any players that you want to pay special attention to?
▲ I think it is true that I pay closer attention to the protoss players. Lee Kyung Min (Horang2) and Cho Jae Geol (Tazza) are players that hardly got any playtime during 2008, but I want them to create a big impact on the scene. Most rookies develop their playstyle by modeling it off of their favorite player. When I ask Kyung Min “Why don’t you play standard” he replies “What is standard?” His play is very freestyle and he incorporates all the advice I give him very quickly.

Both Kyung Min and Jae Geol are both very confident so I don’t think that their nerves will be an issue when they play TV matches. A while ago, when preparing for a match against Park Ji Ho (Pusan) I stood behind him and he would do whatever I told him to do. That is extremely rare for a player to actually listen to what another person tells them to do. But he took my instructions and managed the game very effectively. I think that they are players you should be looking out for.

- A last word
▲ I want to hear people say “Because Sparkyz has Jun Tae Gyu their players are doing so well.” I want to provide the players with my know-how so that they can accomplish what I was not able to. If someone is a progamer on OGN Sparkyz, they will of course be a great player, but I want them to take the extra step to show their best to all the fans. I will help them do this.

Credit: Reporter Kang Young Hoon
Source



New Face: OGN Sparkyz Lee Kyung Min “There is no ‘standard play’ to me”

Translated by LosingID8

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As rookies are bursting onto the scene, a new protoss star has been born for OGN Sparkyz.
He is the same age and race as Cho Jae Geol (who received attention after beating Kim Taek Yong (Bisu).

Lee Kyung Min’s entrance is very flashy from the start. During the 2008 MSL Survivor Tournament Season 3 held in Decemeber, he defeated KTF’s “Ultimate Weapon” Lee Young Ho (Flash) and Woongjin’s “Virtuous Man” Kim Joon Yung (GGplay) to take 1st in his group. These were his first 2 official matches.

Against Lee Young Ho he used proxy gateways into fast dark templar, and against Kim Joon Yung he used a timing-rush zealot/archon build. Also, in his proleague debut he defeated MBCgame’s Park Ji Ho (Pusan) in a harassment-based game, showing off his impressive multitasking skills.

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-A free spirit whose play is very reminiscent of Kang Min (Na_rA)

Lee Kyung Min first played Starcraft in 4th grade. Although they all started playing just for fun, Kyung Min kept losing to one of his friends. He was not able to stand it and decided to seriously improve. He ended up playing more frequently than his other friends, and he became more and more involved in playing Starcraft. This is how he discovered his will to become a progamer.

“I realized that I wanted to be a progamer after watching the DAUM Starleague where Kim Joon Yung won. After watching him coming back from 0-2 to win the serious and embracing his father really left a great impact on me. I think this is especially true because I upset my parents a lot, and my father in particular was opposed to me becoming a progamer. That scene is why those finals left such a deep impression on me.

Although he was touched by Kim Jun Yung’s victory, his race is Protoss. He started out as a Zerg user, but a close friend of his kept winning with Protoss, so he decided to switch as well. He has no regrets about his choice and even now feels that it was a good choice.

Although he is now a commentator, I received a lot of influence Kang Min sun-bae-nim’s (term of respect to refer to someone who debuted before you) playstyle when he was a progamer. I enjoyed copying this and that strategy of his, and I’m happy that I’ve developed my own style based on that.

”Generally ob-dra (Korean term for observer/dragoon) is considered the standard build for Protoss, but I don’t think this way. Truthfully, I think it’s difficult to call anything ‘standard’, but if I had to choose something that would be the closest thing to ‘standard’ for me, it would be sa-up-dark (range-upgraded dragoon/dark templar). It is easy to micro and manage dragoons, while dark templars are a fascinating unit.”

Lee Kyung Min dislikes being forced to fit a certain mold. When he practices he usually does whatever he wants to do. He fully understands that Starcraft is a strategy simulation game. And of course, like all other rookies his macro is strong as well.

“I’m sure all other progamers are the same, but when I first officially started as a progamer it was really difficult for me. But right now I am enjoying it more nad more. My skill level has increased a lot. My style is still the same, but my fundamentals have improved significantly. I’ve developed better hotkey usage. In the past if my strategy worked I would win but if it didn’t I would lose. But now I am also able to mix in management-style games. I’ve reached the point that if my strategy doesn’t work I can still recover and pull it to the mid-late game. I think that my televised games thus far have shown results that surpass my actual skill level right now. I definitely had luck on my side.

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-A friend that cannot go without mention, Cho Jae Geol (Tazza)

OGN used to be a team that was notorious for its weak Protoss lineup. Thus fans are eagerly waiting to see what effect rookies like Lee Kyung Min will have. What are Kyung Min’s thoughts on this?

I think because of the evaluation that the Sparkyz Protoss is weak, Jae Geol and I have been receiving a lot of attention. Although it’s a good thing to be receiving attention, it’s also quite a burden. But what can you do? I hope that Jae Geol and I can both do well.

They are the same age and come from the same hometown. They won Elite School League together, and started their progaming careers together on OGN at the same time. Although they don’t admit it, they will most likely end up being each other’s strongest rival. But this is a great thing because it fosters improvement amongst such rookies as they practice in their house.

When asked what type of progamer he wants to be, Kyung Min replied “I want to be a player that has the psychological advantage. When an opponent meets me I want them to think ‘I have no clue what this player will do.’ Thus they will be forced to play overly safely.”

A Q&A session with Lee Kyung Min

- The meaning of your ID “Horang2” (Translator’s note: the 2 is pronounced “ee.” Horangee means tiger in Korean.)
▲ When I created this ID I was eating a lot of Frosted Flakes. I really loved eating it in middle school, but now I find it too sweet, haha. (Translator’s note: What a big LOL! TigerToss, TonyToss, CerealToss, the possibilities are endless!)

- What do you do when you have free time?
▲ I usually use it to nap. I also play this game called “MyStarcraft.” It’s a game related to Starcraft, and I found myself on there and tried to raise my stats as much as I could. Although I don’t play it regularly now I enjoyed it a lot.

- A progamer you want to become like
▲ Of course my #1 all-time would be Kang Min. Out of the currently active players, I want to learn Lee Jae Dong’s mind. I think that it is really impressive that even though he is at the top, he isn’t lazy and practices extremely hard.

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Player Profile
Name: Lee Kyung Min
Age: 17 (Korean)
Birthdate: 1992-01-15
Blood-type: O
Team: OGN Sparkyz
Race: Protoss
ID : sasin)horang2
Guild/Clan : sasin
Education: 11th Grade

Credit: Reporter Kang Young Hoon
Source



Premiere Starcraft Rivalries

Translated by LosingID8


This is an article that will be old-hat to many long-time followers of progaming. However, I know that there are new people becoming interested in professional Starcraft and joining TeamLiquid every day. So to those that aren't familiar with the history of progaming, here are some of the more important rivalries that have existed in Starcraft.

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Lim-Jin-Rok (Lim Yo Hwan vs Hong Jin Ho) (Boxer vs Yellow) (33-28)
Named after the Lim and Jin from their names. This was a great rivalry between a terran player with such great skill that he was widely known as “The Emperor” and a zerg player with a refreshing playstyle known as the “Storm Zerg”. Because both had such great skill they met in the finals as well. However, Hong Jin Ho appears to have shown uncharacteristic weakness in individual league finals. Even now, many fans consider this THE premiere rivalry in Brood War. One of the most important series between them was the 2002 WCG Finals.

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Chun-Sa-Rok (Oh Young Jong vs Lee Yoon Yeol (Anytime vs Nada) (5-7)

While the 2006 Shinhan Starleague S2 was going on, the anime Death Note was extremely popular in South Korea. Oh Young Jong’s nickname is SaShin (Death god) and Lee Yoon Yeol’s is ChunJae Terran (Genius Terran). So when they met in the finals the rivalry ended up being called Chun-Sa-Rok. This was a highly touted match-up especially because Lee Yoon Yeol was attempting to claim the Golden Mouse. In the end, Lee Yoon Yeol ended up winning in the final set and won the Golden Mouse. Their most well-known series is the Shinhan Starleague S2 finals.

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Sung Jun (The Holy War) (Ma Jae Yoon vs Kang Min) (Savior vs Nal_ra) (17-8)
At the time, going against Ma Jae Yoon as a protoss player meant certain defeat. In the MSL, Ma Jae Yoon looked as though he did not know how to lose, and fans even started calling him “Matler”. Protoss fans looked to Kang Min as their last hope. Even though the matchup is nearly a double-score and Kang Min never managed to beat Ma Jae Yoon in a series, whenever they would play fans would always get excited. See their match on Sin Peaks of Baekdu during the Pringles 2 MSL

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Taek-Bang-Rok (Song Byung Goo vs Kim Taek Yong) (Stork vs Bisu) (9-9)
These are the two players that started the new golden age of protoss. Song Byung Goo showed prowess in PvT, while Kim Taek Yong excelled in PvZ. Whenever they played each other it would be to determine who the #1 protoss is. During the EVER Starleague Ro8, Byung Goo went ahead in the series by winning 3-0, but recently Taek Yong has come back by winning 2 consecutive games. The reason why people enjoy watching their matches is because even though it is a PvP mirror matchup, their styles are different so it shows two opposite sides of protoss play. Byung Goo’s style is extremely safe and methodical, while Taek Yong’s is highly based upon harassment. Watch their Bo5 series in the GOMTV S2 MSL Finals.

Muh-Muh-Jeon (Lee Yoon Yeol vs Choi Yeon Sung) (Nada vs iloveoov) (9-20)
The name stems from Lee Yoon Yeol’s nickname Machine and Choi Yeon Sung’s nickname Muh-seum (Korean for servant). It is a matchup between the 2nd and 3rd bonjwas. Both of them want to play against each other until it is a Bo100. The score is nearly double with Choi Yeon Sung leading the way, but it continues to be a fan-favorite rivalry because of the name-value of the two players. Watch their games during IEF 2006.

Taek-Ma-Rok (Kim Taek Yong vs Ma Jae Yoon) (Bisu vs Savior) (12-2)
The word Taek-Ma-Rok is from a character in each of their names. On March 3rd, Kim Taek Yong became famous by defeating the 4th bonjwa Ma Jae Yoon in a 3-0 series. This is believed by many to have started Ma Jae Yoon’s slump. Afterwards during the IEF and WWI finals, Kim Taek Yong took them convincing manner and now he is considered to be a “chun-juk” (Korean term meaning an natural enemy you cannot defeat). Watch the GOMTV S1 MSL Finals.

Lee-Ssang-Rok (Lee Jae Dong vs Lee Young Ho) (Jaedong vs Flash) (10-7)
They both have the last name Lee, and Ssang means twin or double. They are considered the best of Zerg and Terran and they have both won an individual league and at a young age. The only thing that is a bit regretful is that these are not their best matchups, unlike Lim Jin Rok where it was the best TvZ vs the best ZvT. If you exclude unofficial KeSPA matches Lee Jae Dong is ahead by 5 wins. Watch the GOMTV Invitational S1 Finals.

Tu-Gwae-Rok (Park Sung Jun vs Choi Yeon Sung) (JulyZerg vs iloveoov) (13-20)
The name was created using Park Sung Jun’s nickname tu-shin (god of war) and Choi Yeon Sung’s nickname gwae-mool (monster). This is a matchup between Choi Yeon Sung who boasted a 70%+ win-rate in TvZ versus the hyper-aggressive playstyle of Park Sung Jun. This rivalry is extremely interesting to fans because they would only meet in very high-stakes games. See the WCG 2006 Grand Finals, and the ShinHan Bank 05-06 OSLs.

*Note: Head-to-head statistics were taken from the YGOSU article and not TLPD, so there may be discrepancies.

Credit: SoGeum (Salt)
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The SuperMarine Manual

Translated by SuperJongMan


Tsaa yeah. Ratatata~

CHAPTER ONE
A marine, a barracks, and a command center.


Ever since Oov showed the art of double cc on TV, the quest towards it's perfection began. Looking at the history fast CC builds - FacCC, 3raxCC, 2Rax pressure CC, 2rax 1RineCC, 0RaxCC - it's easy to see the trend is towards faster and faster CCs. Vs Zerg, the FE and macro style has become the new trend.

Let's examine the fastest two CC builds - 2rax 1 Rine CC and 0Rax CC.
2raxCC's expo seems the safest and most common option.
Since you can make marines from 2 rax, it affords additional safety (... however -_-;; )
0Rax CC, even though it's the fastest CC, the tech is slow and the lack of early units makes kekeke chogoling rushes and makes things like 2 evo hydra possible.
And so, while there may be an original 1rax 1rineCC, here is how Super Marines are made.

First off, if you run one rax constantly then make a CC, it's a little faster than 2raxCC, and slightly slower than 0raxCC. Get a fast academy, some scholarly firebats and well-learned medics and repel any zergling terror. 7-8 marines, medic, firebat, and the nat running smooth, nice ya?

The marine, barracks and command center begins something like this...

-The Build-
8 - Supply
9 - Scout
10 - Rax, 5-second worker cut,
11 - Supply
15 - Cut scvs, +CC +Marine +Gas
- Make Marines +Scvs +Acad
This is the build to grab your natural.

Upon reaching this point in the game, depending on the scouting your decisions will change.

1. 12 hatch / 3hatch
Vs 12 hatch 11pool - By the time he has 6 lings, you should have 4 marines.
***With 1 or 2 scvs and some micro, it is easy to neutralize.
At 10 ling timing, bat/medic comes out. Just go on to the next chapter.

2. 4 pool 7 pool, 9 pool, speed upgrade rush
Vs pool first and gas - Make 2 rax asap [!!!]
After the initial lings, 1 hatch lurker follow through is very common...
***So play as if you were playing off 1 base and follow through with a well timed hanbang(one-shot).

....and so the scvs worked and the new academy opened...

CHAPTER TWO
The Management After CC...


-The Build-
(Upon Finishing Acad)
Stim Up
2 Ebay @ ~200/150
Dual Ups
+2rax
Factory
-Scout/Scan for expos.

Get stim while running 1 rax.
You should slowly notice the economy picking up from the two bases.
When you are at about 250/150, send two SCVS out to construct dual Ebays.
When they complete, dual upgrade and add 2 rax.
Keep the one rax pumping and keep up supplies on your own.
While building the 2rax, get range, and you should have money left over.
Make your factory ASAP.
When the two rax are about 30% done is when the fact goes up.
Time to scouting~

1. I SEE A DEN!
***Marine/Medic deploy for containment!!!
While deploying, you must macro well. 1rax CC's econ picks up fast.

2. SPIYO~~
***Turret up, MM in defensive formation
Macro, and prepare yourself for the next step.

3. BOTH!?!?!
The villain has both techs! O, this is a little complicated!
You can try to read between hydra or muta by looking at the larva.
***First thing first, let's just deploy MM while using your 2scans to find out what's coming.
If hydra, stay out and pressure.
If Muta, come back in.
In this scenario, because the turret and 3rax are in play, even fast mutas won't hurt too much.

4. I scanned the den BUT A HATCH AT THE GAS MULTI!?!?!
***Build 2 bunkers at the nat choke while deploying units to pressure the Zerg expo.
After killing the hatchery, you can't have too much home insurance.

5. I scanned the spire BUT A HATCH AT THE GAS MULTI!?!?!
***Take about 5rines 1bat1med and use them as special forces.
Set them up outside and as soon as you see mutas coming in, send these out to kill the hatchery.

6- I scanned the den, the spire AND A HATCH AT THE GAS MULTI?!??!
Good chance this won't be seen. The den and spire takes away from hatchery mins. But the opponent coulda opened 3 hatch and be rich, so this scenario is mentioned.
***First off, the special forces are sent out like in the previous scenario. If you see zerglings trying to leak out from here or there, engage and buy time and harass. When the mutas come out, don't congregate into one ball, but still move the special forces squad out for hatch break.

- Transition -
As chapter two closes, the super marines come to save the day.
This is your hantiming. Send them out and now we have a third option tree.
The super marines are +1+1 hantiming marines.
Take as much adv of these guys as you can, and as we near the end of chapter two...
...you have the option of kicking up the rax count to 4.

The super marines knew it was time...

CHAPTER THREE
And They Declared War...!!!


-6rax with steady a fac/star support and winning with flexibility,
-6/7rax 0tank timing shot to the ultra-mobile two star SKterran,
-2 Fac power shot using tanks as central fighting pillars,
-"A MAN'S ESSENCE IS POWER" 5rax No vessel 3 tank chew up everything including swarm management.

1. 6rax 1fac 1star
- A brach recommended for those with great macro and good basic MMVessel control.
A not so small amount of mnm, a not so small amt of tank, and a not so small amt of vessels combine to make a large and effective force.
-Key point is the vessel and tanks must survive.
Support SVs thru mnm, Tanks with D matrix, Support your mnm by Irrad guard/defiler. It's also flexible enough to adopt to anything zerg does. However, only with high level of technical backing can you effectively play and win. Rather than irradiating lurks, save tanks with D or snipe guard/defilers instead. You have tanks and upgraded mnm for -_-;; lurkers.

This is a very tricky/difficult management for zerg to answer to but a difficult one to execute as well.

2. After hantiming, 8rax 2star, SKTerran.
This too is a high level terran management. Using well upgraded MM action and mass SV, try to starve the zerg and constantly hit and run to carve up the zerg. It is the most mobile management. However, the mechanics required behind this, especially since it becomes a war of attrition.. is... -_-;;

-Ling Lurker Defiler/Guardian using zergs get raped. Snipe defilers, pull away from it's dying dark swarm, o, there's the end of that fight! You don't have to save tanks or anything. It's mobility is chief. Seriously, chief. Irradiate away~

-And then for MMVes vs Hydra lurker, the flying swarms, and the plague, the swarm you can move out of the fight, but the plague is truly.. durrr scary. The marine one-shotting hydras, the vessel clumps being plagued and one shotted. Plague is a serious threat to mm. You could get easily get pushed to your main this way. This is the rat poison to SK.

3. After hantiming, 2fact 6rax Mass Tank and Vessel as detector
This strat can end games the fastest, but you will cut yourself if you fail. If the villian seems to be going Greater Spire, stopping tanks and start SVs. You can re-up tank production anytime since there are 2fact. The choice for vessel over wraiths is because the wraith cannot support the main force after the guardians are neutralized. getting a vessel before its too late is recommended.

-Many tanks, Many MM, Some SVs.... are used to grab a line and fight from there.
If you are lucky you can even snipe defilers casting swarm, splash damage the swarm considerably and then win the fight. Point is scouting. Scan a lot and when your senses tingle guardian, get SVs. It has enough power to fight with dark swarmed lurkerling or Hydralurk.

-Using good tank placement, make a strong center line. With a good center line, it is possible to expo at same time the zerg does.

It is recommended for those with spider senses for guardian timing.

4. A MAN'S ESSENCE IS POWER, 3FACT... 5RAX!!! and a starport for good form.
After hantiming attack, if you see 2/3 chamber and he succeeded his 3 gas hold, is a filthy fat stinkin rich zerg and looks to be wanting to power through, or if you still haven't seen a spire yet... use this! THE ESSENCE OF MAN.

After hanta attack and proper analysis, get 5rax, shut down the starport and get 3 facts asap. Tanks will gather at an astronomical rate. Level things, move on.

When using this and you run into ground-only zerg, you will literally melt them. About 3 groups of mnm and 2 groups of tanks will melt everything. Every time the tanks fire, it is equivalent of 2 nukes falling at once. It just chews up dark swarm. Vessels aren't needed and 2 scans are plenty. Is it because the lurkers disappear trying to go underground?
Super Marines spray fields of bullets and lure the zerg in, then the tanks clear everything. It's a surprising attack to be victim of.

If the villain can mass air units, matters become complicated.

If guardians are about to take to the skies, right under the idle starport, make 1-2 more and stop tanks to produce wraiths. Since we didn't get vessel, you should have about 1.5 groups of tanks ya?
***Grab a location somewhere and linger around and then try to catch them with wraiths. With 2 fact, vessels show immediate results but this is different since we already have 2 groups of tanks...

If the wraiths couldn't get all the guardians..

You gotta rely on the super marines. Since units are already towards the center, the zerg won't hit until the tanks are cleared. Gather wraiths til you can kill guards in 2 salvos, and hold with marines til. Since the guards are no up, marines can take 3-4 hits depending on heal. It is truly the essence of man, a 3/4gas zerg will charge with hydralurk and ultras...
And conflict will last 15 seconds. Just 15 seconds. It will resolve itself in 15 seconds.
For a zerg intent on such macro, 3 fact is the way to go.
Esssence of Man.

And... ... for the zerg management not mentioned here, may you solve those on your own -_-;;

Super Marines -_-;; fuck yeah, I went there.

- The End -


Written 2006 8 15.


Have a nice day.

Credit: YGOSU
Source



A 5-Part Interview with Lim Yo Hwan (Boxer)

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[Translator's note: This interview corresponds with a video interview series called STAR 7224, where they interview a top progamer every week. Although our translators are not a perfect transcript of the interview, they may help you enjoy watch it. I would suggest following along with the text as your watch each clip. Also, many thanks to jina0192 on youtube! ]

Part 1 by OneOther

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Video 1] +
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wcx_C3YD8e0


On the program “Star 7224”

Boxer: I have watched this show only once. I just know it’s something about riding in a car together.

TheMarine: Hmm a lot of progamers have been in here lately, including Taek Yong. (Bisu)

Boxer: Is it filming right now?

TheMarine: Yeah it’s running right now.

Boxer: Woah I get to be on a show that Taek Yong was on?

TheMarine: (Laughs) Young Ho - aka FlaSh - was on the most recent one. But now that you are back, it’s of course your turn.

Coming back home

Boxer: Ahh I have finally become a normal citizen now.

TheMarine: Has it hit you yet?

Boxer: Once I put the SKT uniform on I once again felt like I am actually back home. At first there was some confusion within myself because I kept on feeling like I needed to back. You know, I kept on thinking I would get in trouble for running away.

TheMarine: Well, the uniform looks a little awkward on you but at the same it looks really good on you.

Boxer: The quality is amazing!

TheMarine: Did you sleep well for the first time in a while?

Boxer: Mmm yeah, and I also had a hard time digesting all the delicious food I ate for the past couple days.

TheMarine: To be honest I have been on this with several other gamers, but it just feels different with you here. Subtitle - *The unknown force of Boxer*

Miscellaneous Chatting

TheMarine: You have talked a lot about your aspirations and plans regarding gaming, but I want to know more about your daily life and the time you spent in Air Force. Oh and not to pressure you or anything but there’s a tradition on this show. At the end, everyone has sang a song.

Boxer: (Laughs) Why did you have to tell me after I hopped on?

TheMarine: Come on, I know you have a couple songs memorized. Do you know a couple mainstream songs? What are your favorites?

Boxer: I just came back from the military, I don’t know anything! I mean I have listened to a couple like Son Dam Bi - Crazy or Rain - Rainism, but I haven’t sang either of them.

TheMarine: Don’t worry, I will teach you.

On Yelllow/CaSy/Anytime joining Air Force

Boxer: When Yellow first arrives, they are making him do a dance. Kind of like an initiation…show him what military is all about. Also include Casy and Anytime in some way too. But it’s not absolutely not a bad thing at all - it's a nice welcoming.

TheMarine: I am somewhat worried for him, but I think it will work out well.

Boxer: Military may be a little hard at first, but once he gets used to it a bit he will be fine.

TheMarine: How do you feel about Casy?

Boxer: He’s a gregarious guy, but that probably won’t help him much. Military is about sucking up…you gotta look good in front of the higher guys.

Part 2 by LosingID8

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Video 2] +

When MuMyung Gets Out of Military Service...

Boxer: I really think we should have a special program where we can invite all the people who have recently left the military. Such as H.O.T-Forever, MuMyung, and myself. I think it would be really funny.

TheMarine: Yes, that sounds really fun.

Boxer: Actually the reason why I want this to happen is because MuMyung probably has A LOT to say. Plus since this would be a televised thing, him and H.O.T-Forever wouldn't be able to fight.

TheMarine: Oh that's really great. We would get paid for just sitting there and doing nothing.

Boxer: We would get paid? OH YEAH THIS ISN'T THE MILITARY ANYMORE!

TheMarine: Yeah and we could make it sort of a reconcilitary thing, where they can get back on good terms with each other. And of course we would just sit back and watch.

H.O.T-Forever vs MuMyung

Boxer: Whenever they'd fight with each other they would always use me as an observer. They would argue their cases and ask me which one of them was in the wrong. But in my eyes they were the same. I had a really difficult time because of those two.

Anti-Kim Jung Min (TheMarine)

Boxer: You know, for us, ACE, it's really tough as it is but...

TheMarine: Oh no I know what's coming. Ok it's time for me to get cussed out.

Boxer: You... you were too... how do I say this.

TheMarine: Yes, if I saw something bad I would say it was bad.

Boxer: No, if you saw something bad you would overemphasize how bad it was. Rather than "Are they able to practice enough" you would say "Why don't they practice?", like that.

TheMarine: No no I didn't say anything like that.

Boxer: "DID THEY EVEN PRACTICE?"

TheMarine: No no no...

Boxer: At times like that it really hurt. I thought if anyone else, you would be supportive and help us out. Especially since you know our predicament.

TheMarine: TO VIEWERS! I have to let you know how much I supported and cheered on ACE!

Boxer/TheMarine: AIDFUYKJWNEGKJDFIUOIQEGD (lol they are talking over each other like crazy)

TheMarine: I do remember one time, Yo-Hwan hyung came up to me after a match and said "you're doing too much. Go lightly. It's hard for us, too." But you know it wasn't just me saying those things. Hoon-hyung (old SKT coach, now OGN proleague commentator) said those things too!

Boxer: Hoon-hyung is saying those things because he's following your lead! You're his senior in commentating!

TheMarine: Oh hahaha, I guess that's true...

Boxer: But you know it wasn't just him who said mean things about us, all of you guys out there said bad things too! Please tone it down, because it's really hard for us. Please send words of encouragement!

Air Force ACE Internal Ranking Tournament

TheMarine: So you know that ACE recently brought in 3 new recruits!

Boxer: Yeah the sad thing is that when they had a ranking tournament. 1st place Anytime, 2nd place Casy, 3rd place Reach.

TheMarine: You know it's really unfortunate. Reach seems to do really well during practice but he doesn't show it on TV.

Boxer: Yeah it's because he's really nervous. He's been playing 2v2 for too long.

Weaknesses of ACE:

Boxer: All teams don't play as well on TV as they do at home when they practice, but I really think that the disparity is the extreme in the case of ACE. Even normally, there is a definitely skill gap between us and other teams. But when we go out to play a match we do even worse than normal. Even to the point where we don't even know what happened.

It's especially bad when we had to face SKT. I had no practice partners. I really had no one to play with so I called up the SKT coaching staff and asked if I could play with the C-team.
"Yeonsung-ah, Yongwook-ah, you guys aren't practicing with the C-team, right? I know you aren't."
"Yeah we aren't, why hyung?"

"Is it OK if i practice with them, then?"

But Yeonsung replies "Oh come hyung I can't do that~" and then he cuts me off. Oh, so sad T_T.

The Return of the Emperor

TheMarine: When do you think you'll play for SKT? The 3rd round starts on Jan 17th.

Boxer: Well it depends on how quickly I can get my skill back. Hopefully I can play in the 3rd round. It's not as if I can just get on the roster because I want to. My skill has to back it up.

ACE Practice Time

TheMarine: I hear that you guys didn't have much practice time. It must have been hard to get as much practice as you needed. How did you practice efficiently?

Boxer: Actually we do have sufficient practice time. It's just that we have noone to practice with. T_T

Part 3 by LosingID8

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Video 3] +


Boxer on proleague

TheMarine: But because of the rules there's something interesting that has come about. It has really shown that T1's zerg line is really weak, but T1's protoss are really strong. So it creates an issue--

Boxer: That's an issue that doesn't need to exist

TheMarine: Haha, but it makes each team's color different from others which is good.

Boxer has a girlfriend!

TheMarine: Well at least you're out of the army while you're still in your 20s! (this interview was done 7 days before the new year).

Boxer: Yeah I'm glad that I'm able to spend Christmas and the New Year's as a regular citizen.

TheMarine: Oh speaking of Christmas! There's a question that I wanted to ask you... but it might be kind of senstive.

Boxer: Sensitive issue? I don't like those questions, haha.

TheMarine: Ah but you've already talked about it in your interview the other day...

Boxer: All I said was yes/no. I don't want to go any further.

TheMarine: Ah hah! I didn't even say anything and you already know what I'm talking about.

Boxer and H.O.T-Forever

TheMarine: You know when Kang Do Kyung (H.O.T-Forever) got out of the army he said that he got hit by you a lot.

Boxer: NO NO that's not true! When someone is leaving the Air Force, all the remaining soldiers stand in two lines, and the person has to run in between them, whether it be running, walking, crawling, whatever. And as they go by the people standing on the sides can kick them, knee them, do whatever. So he came by. So I grabbed him and I told him "hehe I have a lot of reasons to be discontent with you" and then we both fell down. But he fell on his back instead of falling forward, so he could see who was hitting him. So everyone else was too afraid to hit him. So basically I look like an idiot, while everyone else is taking care of their image. So he ended up just staring at me, lol.

Boxer: There was another incident that made me dislike him...

Part 4 by Infinity21

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Video 4] +


Emperor’s birthday beatings
Boxer: My teammates and I come in after a dinner party and they lay down a bed cover, demanding that I lie down for my b-day beating. I was appalled since the policy had never existed before then. I reluctantly give in but they got way to serious after the drinks and started stomping on me mercilessly. I thought I was going to die. Change of location to where I used to live when I first joined the army. HOT-forever comes over and lays down the bed sheet AGAIN and forcibly gets me down for more birthday beatings. HOT covers me up with another bed sheet and starts stomping on me. I see his foot through the cracks. Then while he was stomping, both his feet disappeared. This guy jumped and stomped me with both feet. I was speechless *blood pressure rising*

Boxer stim pack mode!

Boxer: That’s not the end. Let me say something: I thought, “Ok it was my birthday so I’ll just take it. I can get my revenge on his birthday. On his birthday, the birthday beating policy ended and HOT walked away without a single beating.

TheMarine: Here are some questions submitted by fans. If nominated, they can get a gift certificate.

Boxer: I don’t get anything?

TheMarine: Well, you… you I’m not that sure about.

Question: “Since your return to SKT, what has changed about the younger teammates?”

TheMarine: What kind of influence do you think you have on them? You’re [image is] rather… strong

Boxer: I’m a little odd. I don’t know if the kids find it hard but the older ones should know. I’m not the type to forcibly tell people to do this and that. I try to go with the situation and try to stick together. I’m not sure what the coach is thinking exactly. I will make the best decisions according to his will. That’s what I think … *reaches for the question* The kids will…

TheMarine: Like having an influence and whatnot (caption: Yo-Hwan hyung~ Let’s focus on the question)

Boxer: Their personalities or their game style… well, their game styles can change. Personalities or (TheMarine caption: Yo-Hwan hyung~ Your answer is too long..) well… they’re not trying to change… I have no idea what I’m talking about haha. The question is too hard.

TheMarine: (talking to the crew) Ah, no, we all understood right? Right? (caption: He’s going to be ticked off). That person might be hurt. Ahh, this question’s pretty good: “What female celebrity is your type?”

Boxer: Some time ago, I said Kim XX. I didn’t mean it like *pant pant* *drool*. But the interview went out like that. It was very simple… “it would be this person”. I figured I’d better say someone that everyone would like. So I said Kim XX, right?

TheMarine: Kim Tae-Hee?

Boxer: No, I said Kim Sa-Rang. But what kind of!!!!! It’s practically like… *sigh*

TheMarine: Alright, alright. Let’s keep your blood pressure down a little today (caption: Many stim pack triggers today!)

Question: Yellow is going to the army, aren’t you disappointed?

Boxer: This question, I answered yesterday or the day before

TheMarine: You already answered it? *puts it away*

Boxer: *grabbing the question back* I can answer it again. I hope that Jin-Ho gets his act together. So I can get some motivation by watching him. If he’s going to work hard, he needs to go through some harsh army experience. An army is something that if you don’t get aligned properly, you will suffer. Because of that, I asked for a lot. I asked the guys to demand Jin-Ho to do the Hong dance as soon as he gets there. I told them to show him who the seniors are.

TheMarine: Yeah, Jin-Ho is kind of a free man. He has a bit of that image. It must be good to get practice at Ace but it will be very hard to adjust to the different style initially.

Boxer: I’m going to have a drink with Reach soon. We’ll talk about how to cook Jin-Ho. I’m going to have another talk with him. (caption: Was I too harsh?) To Yellow’s fans, I’m saying this for his own good! In the army, this is the way to show that I care about him. This is all for Yellow, so PLEASE don’t see me as a weird person! This is all for Jin-Ho. It’s coming from my heart.

TheMarine: Ok, ok. See, all the questions were so tough. “Pro gaming must mean you don’t get to see a lot of women” but he sees them. “When was your first kiss, and where do you look at women when you first see them?” Don’t lie!

Part 5 by Infinity21

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Video 5] +


Boxer: ;;; Kiss… I didn’t even go out with a girl until I was 20. Even in meetings my face used to become red. So when I became 20, I started going out with a girl that I met at an internet café. She was into games, not StarCraft, but some other game. As we’re seeing each other – we live pretty close – I’d take her home and…

TheMarine: Oh man, hold up.

Boxer: We just kissed! Back then, I was pure unlike the current Jung-Min. So we had our first kiss but we were so bad that it was embarrassing.

TheMarine: See, these kinds of questions lifts up the mood. Where do you first when you meet a woman?

Boxer: For sure, in my early 20s, I looked at the face. Everything else was fine as long as she looked pretty. But! It’s not just me, every other man will agree with this. Past your mid 20s, you start looking lower. *TheMarine stops him* At this point, the audience should know what I mean.

*Caption: If you get it, SAY~HO!!*

TheMarine: Man, what are we, two adult males, talking about? We need to bring a female guest.

Boxer: These questions are R-rated.

TheMarine: That’s right. Yo-Hwan hyung watches that stuff a bit. He watches that a lot. *Caption: And you? Keke* *looks at question* Oh, this question’s a little odd: “In Ace, after losing a game, what excuse did you make to your teammates?”

Boxer: Rather than excuses, I was sorry that I couldn’t win. We felt sorry that we couldn’t win games for the team. In order to escape that feeling, we practiced as soon as we got back, late into the night.

TheMarine: You never really went on losing streaks before going into the army, and neither did the other Ace members. What was it like to experience that?

Boxer: I feel like I tasted every bitter thing in the world. At one point, I didn’t even want to go out. I wanted to take a breath and get back into the game but I had to keep playing because there were no substitutes. I wanted to pan out all the possible scenarios and play confidently but I couldn’t do it.

TheMarine: Is there somewhere you’d like to travel? You’re a normal citizen now. So where would you like to go?

Boxer: All my clothes are 2-3 years old now. I want to go to somewhere like Macau where there’s a casino or Hong Kong where I can buy lots of clothes for cheap, like an outlet? But it’s unrealistic since I’m broke so I’ll stay here and get good results.

TheMarine: Yeah, being a pro gamer in his 30s like you always used to way. Well, you’re not 30 yet. There’s a week left, right?

Boxer: Yeah, 1 week to go before I’m in my 30s.

TheMarine: 1 week before his 30s. I still have a LOT of time. We talked about this so much. It asks: “I hear there have been a lot of episodes with HOT coach?”

Boxer: I should have gone to the press. “Coach Kang attacked by a stranger on the 22nd” and right above “The emperor of Terran, Lim Yo-Hwan returns from the army on the 21st”

TheMarine: We should have both of you in the van.

Boxer: The car won’t go. It’ll all be broken before we start.

TheMarine: We haven’t had a question like this: “Who didn’t listen to you the most in the army?”

Boxer: This already came up. Who do you think it is?

TheMarine: MuMyung *Caption: Bingo~!*

Boxer: This guy listens well sometimes but other times he really doesn’t listen. It drives me nuts.

TheMarine: Oh, and one thing here: The return of the emperor – congratulations *Boxer swipes the last question board* Oh come on, this is the highlight. We did all this tonight for this question. 7224’s unavoidable corner, singing!

Boxer: *cough* Ah, I have a cold… *cough* Maybe I’ll do it with my face covered?

TheMarine: Just tell me the title, I’ll sing with you. The viewers won’t like it but-

Boxer: I sang so much during my birthday party…

TheMarine: We didn’t get to see it. Many OGN viewers didn’t get to see it.

Boxer: Already sad love.

+ Show Spoiler [original song] +
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=t77e3uoHSbg


TheMarine: Yada’s Already sad love. That’s a tough song. Ready? Start
*sing*

Caption: We are happy that he has come back.

Credit: OGN and STAR7224
Source: jina0192



Korean Coverage by TL!

Translated by the Team Liquid community


I would like to thank all of those who continually bring us news from Korea even though they have no obligation to do so. You guys are awesome!

  • Boxer and Savior Interview by MrHoon and AloneInDaBunker
  • Savior vs Flash on ICCUP by AloneInDaBunker
  • BackHo Injured by GTR-2-Go
  • BackHo withdraws from Ro16 OSL by zincsterio
  • OSL Wildcard by ondik and firedodo
  • KeSPA official GG rules by XYoonZ and GTR-2-Go
  • Reach Interview by jimmyl930
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Bosu
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January 26 2009 09:07 GMT
#2
Whoa.. thats a lot of news
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WOW!! I am gonna spend a good amount of time reading all of this! Thanks so much guys
~o~ I have returned
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January 26 2009 09:14 GMT
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- You dropped the Starleague in a very depressing fashion.
▲ After losing game 1 I fell apart which probably led the result to game 2. If I had to blame on something I would like to say it was the map fault. These days you can't 1gate or you won't beat a zerg. That is why double nexus is the only viable strat against zerg, however tears of the moon has 2 rush entrances. Even though I prepared the best simcity possible (Translator's note: THAT IS A LIE BISU DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT) the zerglings came through. To block both entrance it takes too much resources and time.


savior destroyed him
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
Fontong
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January 26 2009 09:18 GMT
#5
From the Horang2 interview:

- What do you do when you have free time?
▲ I usually use it to nap. I also play this game called “MyStarcraft.” It’s a game related to Starcraft, and I found myself on there and tried to raise my stats as much as I could. Although I don’t play it regularly now I enjoyed it a lot.

LOLOL I'm a horang2 fan from now on!
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WONDERFUL POST

I was about to call it a night, then I saw this huge newspost. Just read the whole thing. I'm very interested in seeing how the OGN Protoss lineup will turn out.
And that Boxer interview is just amazing. So much new material, I just love you guys for translating it.

Also:
On January 26 2009 18:03 LosingID8 wrote:
Boxer: I just came back from the military, I don’t know anything! I mean I have listened to a couple like Son Dam Bi - Crazy or Rain - Rainism, but I haven’t sang either of them.



Time to sleep
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
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January 26 2009 09:36 GMT
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Fucking awesome. Thanks guys.
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January 26 2009 09:38 GMT
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It may have been a while since we got a Korean News Flash, but this was well worth the wait! Great job guys.
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January 26 2009 09:40 GMT
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SuperJongMan hates zergs.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
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On January 26 2009 18:40 T.O.P. wrote:
SuperJongMan hates zergs.

true that.

On Jan 16 2009 04:58 SuperJongMan wrote:
LOL, yeah right, like I'd ever translate a Zerg strategy article. LOL. YOO STOOPID SON~.

Yeah, I'll do the 1rax double article. Kill Zorgy.
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January 26 2009 09:47 GMT
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omfg so long this is gonna keep me occupied for awhile.
Time for some Revolution !
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Vietnam445 Posts
January 26 2009 09:48 GMT
#12
nice news
thanks a lot
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-26 09:59:19
January 26 2009 09:55 GMT
#13
Wow, this is an amazing post. You guys put a lot of effort into this, it's these kind of things that make TL what it is.
Thanks for your hard work!

Also, Soyu, thanks a ton for the TvZ article. This will help a lot.
All of the post is awesome though. All of you guys rock.
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MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
January 26 2009 10:00 GMT
#14
Thanks a LOT for these translations
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
January 26 2009 10:10 GMT
#15
thanks a lot! awesome read
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
January 26 2009 10:11 GMT
#16
This is a big one, wow.

I appreciated all the effort that has gone into this by all the translators!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
January 26 2009 10:33 GMT
#17
After that interview, I'm totally a horang2 fan. Haha. And the Boxer interview was awesome. Thanks guys.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 26 2009 10:38 GMT
#18
great work guys!
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lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
January 26 2009 10:54 GMT
#19
good job!

awesome boxer interview...
fromis_9 enjoyer
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
January 26 2009 10:57 GMT
#20
This is made with balls.
Incredible work seriously.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 26 2009 11:06 GMT
#21
whoo, finished it after reading it intermittently for 2 hours!!


LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
January 26 2009 11:10 GMT
#22
ah ty haji for pushing it to the 2nd page lol, no more scrolling needed
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 26 2009 11:11 GMT
#23
I'm a difference maker obviously.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-26 11:12:44
January 26 2009 11:12 GMT
#24
wait, what did you ever do for TL?
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 26 2009 11:12 GMT
#25
Thanks a lot for the translations guys.:D
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banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
January 26 2009 11:42 GMT
#26
Great write-up, thanks so much for translating all of this.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
January 26 2009 11:45 GMT
#27
awesome
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AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
January 26 2009 12:31 GMT
#28
Great read! Thanks!

Also, I know this isn't a big deal, but you have a bracket facing the wrong way in the overview of the article (around Bisu).
Splunge
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany925 Posts
January 26 2009 12:33 GMT
#29
Thx for all your work! Just awesome!
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
January 26 2009 12:42 GMT
#30
On January 26 2009 21:31 AlTheCake wrote:
Also, I know this isn't a big deal, but you have a bracket facing the wrong way in the overview of the article (around Bisu).

i don't know what you're talking about
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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 26 2009 12:49 GMT
#31
Can the translators keep their own opnion to themselves, if you have some hating to do or opnions to express, go make a topic in the forums.
bisu fanboy
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 26 2009 12:56 GMT
#32
holy shit this is EPIC
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AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
January 26 2009 12:58 GMT
#33
On January 26 2009 21:42 LosingID8 wrote:
i don't know what you're talking about

Oh you :3
rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
January 26 2009 12:59 GMT
#34
A MAN'S ESSENCE IS POWER!

Uhm, what?
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
January 26 2009 12:59 GMT
#35
awesome work!

i hope LosingID8 or Mr.Hoon didnt cover the Bisu interview
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 26 2009 13:06 GMT
#36
Holy shit! That Boxer interview, damn hes crazyy!!!
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
January 26 2009 13:32 GMT
#37
Really great read!

Also, I like that you get info about the blood-type of CerealToss. Might come in handy in case of emergency.
-_-
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-26 13:54:41
January 26 2009 13:54 GMT
#38
Jesus christ! Sick sick sick post. Words can not describe how awesome you guys are.

Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 26 2009 13:55 GMT
#39
11 supply? quite a strange build
I am trying it out now.

Very cool issue this time!
And all is illuminated.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 26 2009 14:07 GMT
#40
You guys did an awesome job with this. Really nice work !
rakue
Profile Joined November 2008
Philippines7 Posts
January 26 2009 14:20 GMT
#41
great job guys. thanks for bringing Korea closer to the foreign community. looking forward to more of your work.
Lifes a dick, you gotta grab it by the balls.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 26 2009 14:35 GMT
#42
Thanks alot for the work.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
January 26 2009 14:36 GMT
#43
quite a lot of stuff to read. great work! boxer interview was awesome, too. i didnt know he had beef with HOT... and all this other progamer gossip... awesome
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
January 26 2009 14:48 GMT
#44
that article makes me dislike bisu even worse then before.

also. hot is mean.
wraiths go pew pew
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 26 2009 14:49 GMT
#45
Gotta try this interview.

H.O.T-Forever seems like a jerk. I like hearing about these little beefs between progamers.
RIP Aaliyah
.Ix
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines266 Posts
January 26 2009 15:24 GMT
#46
Best KNF ever. Great job guys!

Noticed a small error though. I'm pretty sure the Bisu-Savior rivalry's recommended series should be GOMTV MSL S1, not S2.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-26 15:38:29
January 26 2009 15:38 GMT
#47
Boxer: Whenever they'd fight with each other they would always use me as an observer. They would argue their cases and ask me which one of them was in the wrong.
Sounds more like an arbiter.
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
January 26 2009 15:53 GMT
#48
That's kinda lame coming from Bisu. Even assuming that you can't FE on Tears, Bisu's certainly never complained about Neo Requiem, when SKT was playing him on the map again and again.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
January 26 2009 16:04 GMT
#49
<3 long boxer interviews
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
January 26 2009 16:48 GMT
#50
Incredible work guys, thanks heaps!


[image loading]

- can't really tell why but pictures of old schools looking tense always make me feel much more excited than the new blood players. Have a look at this, isn't it just so classic? Boxer's tense face makes you want to instantly watch his games.
I guess back then they were more about being purely entertainers than the generic generation nowadays.
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Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 26 2009 16:51 GMT
#51
i actually read all of the articles. nice boxer interview by themarine. never knew boxer was actually depressed by his and ace's performance.
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
January 26 2009 16:56 GMT
#52
Wow amazing articles, I just finished them all. Boxer's interview was quite weird, seems like he wasn't treated too well in the milatary. The story of him taking a beating on his birthday is really sad.

I'm going to try out that Supermarine build some, seems really interesting. It resembles the Protoss +1 zealot attack imo.
#1 Flash Fan
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
January 26 2009 17:07 GMT
#53
On January 27 2009 00:24 .Ix wrote:
Best KNF ever. Great job guys!

Noticed a small error though. I'm pretty sure the Bisu-Savior rivalry's recommended series should be GOMTV MSL S1, not S2.

ah fixed.
On January 27 2009 00:38 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
Boxer: Whenever they'd fight with each other they would always use me as an observer. They would argue their cases and ask me which one of them was in the wrong.
Sounds more like an arbiter.

yeah, that's what i thought too but i'm pretty sure boxer specifically said "observer" in the interview itself.
On January 26 2009 21:49 fearus wrote:
Can the translators keep their own opnion to themselves, if you have some hating to do or opnions to express, go make a topic in the forums.

huh?
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
January 26 2009 17:30 GMT
#54
Holy awesome. Thanks much for all this. Best KNF ever.
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plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
January 26 2009 17:48 GMT
#55
Awesome read, it cut a good hour off my workday. I especially liked the boxer interview - I'll check out the videos later on.

Keep up the good work!
Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 26 2009 17:52 GMT
#56
On January 27 2009 00:53 Zozma wrote:
That's kinda lame coming from Bisu. Even assuming that you can't FE on Tears, Bisu's certainly never complained about Neo Requiem, when SKT was playing him on the map again and again.


for once a progamer speaks his mind instead of the usual "i will try my best and practice even harder, all the races are even blablabla". Bisu might be wrong, but at least he's being honest.

<3'd the boxer interview
Terran & Potato Salad.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
January 26 2009 17:53 GMT
#57
Wow the boxer interview really made me appreciate again how strange Korea is. He never even kissed a girl until he was 20 (19?) and it's scandalous to even look at a girl's body, but it's allowed to beat another man bloody just because it's his birthday. WTF???
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
January 26 2009 18:19 GMT
#58
Hey is there any larger versions of the rivalries images? Those are all really good.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
January 26 2009 18:23 GMT
#59
Holy fuck, this is so awesome. I really loved Horang2's interview...knowing things like "Horangee"=Tiger is really interesting.
✌
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 26 2009 18:25 GMT
#60
w00t
horane(ee)

:D :D

finally a decent OGN toss
gogogogo next bonjwa ;D
cw)minsean(ru
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
January 26 2009 18:37 GMT
#61
On January 27 2009 02:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2009 00:53 Zozma wrote:
That's kinda lame coming from Bisu. Even assuming that you can't FE on Tears, Bisu's certainly never complained about Neo Requiem, when SKT was playing him on the map again and again.


for once a progamer speaks his mind instead of the usual "i will try my best and practice even harder, all the races are even blablabla". Bisu might be wrong, but at least he's being honest.


There's nothing admirable about whining that you lost because of map imbalance. We've all been there, but that doesn't make it okay. If he couldn't find any way of FE'ing, then he ought have done something else.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
January 26 2009 18:50 GMT
#62
Nice work, gj, but i have one question:
what the hell is that b-day beating thing?(in boxer's interview) It sound really cruel and horrible. Think about it, you get beated on your birthday :O
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
January 26 2009 18:53 GMT
#63
On January 27 2009 03:37 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2009 02:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On January 27 2009 00:53 Zozma wrote:
That's kinda lame coming from Bisu. Even assuming that you can't FE on Tears, Bisu's certainly never complained about Neo Requiem, when SKT was playing him on the map again and again.


for once a progamer speaks his mind instead of the usual "i will try my best and practice even harder, all the races are even blablabla". Bisu might be wrong, but at least he's being honest.


There's nothing admirable about whining that you lost because of map imbalance. We've all been there, but that doesn't make it okay. If he couldn't find any way of FE'ing, then he ought have done something else.

agreed
its one thing when people bitch and whine about map/race imbalance on forums or chat, but when you do it in an interview after your games it's an insult to your opponent
Entusman #12
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 26 2009 18:54 GMT
#64
You've never had birthday beats? You get one punch/hit/slap for each year you've been alive - the rules me and my friends use is that they are redeemable by anyone who hasn't been present while they were being administered. I.E when i turned 20 i got like 120 because people were coming to the bar and hadn't seen people hit me ~_~. People who are present take part in group beats that cumulatively add to your age.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
January 26 2009 19:04 GMT
#65
i haven't even heard about bday-beating.At least it is not usual in finland,mby in canada,but in that interview it sounded like beating to half-dead
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
January 26 2009 19:06 GMT
#66
Terrific post. Thanks for all the work. I hope Bisu one day goes through a Savior period and humbles his ass up~ Also the rivalry posters aren't available for purchase... or in print or anything are they?
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
January 26 2009 19:10 GMT
#67
I hate HOT now
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
January 26 2009 19:53 GMT
#68
SuperJongMan for president. The translation came across brilliantly. BRILLIANT!

Also, the other ones were good, too. Thanks guys.
☺ ☻
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
January 26 2009 20:12 GMT
#69
OMFG this is an epic writeup!
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
January 26 2009 20:21 GMT
#70
Thanks for the write-up, pretty interesting to read. Boxer seems like a very down-to-earth person, which is nice to see.

Oh btw, @ the Anti-Kim Jung Min (TheMarine), I don't know if it was just that I couldn't follow it, but I think the Boxer and TheMarine are switched for what they say. Not sure though, you might wanna check it out.

toaster939
Profile Joined January 2009
Slovenia8 Posts
January 26 2009 22:00 GMT
#71
Awesome, the interview with Boxers was unforgettable.

GG
Power overwhelming
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
January 26 2009 22:13 GMT
#72
horang2 plays MyStarcraft hahaha so good
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errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
January 26 2009 22:47 GMT
#73
Anyone still have the bisu / by.hero game?

Because, I thought I remembered the real reason bisu losing being that he didn't get his probes out to block the lings in time. IIRC he had like 3 cannons that could fire on the lings going up the ramp anyway, but he didn't block in time.

Any confirm/deny?
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
January 26 2009 23:09 GMT
#74
Awesome read tx.
觀過斯知仁矣.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
January 26 2009 23:38 GMT
#75
On January 27 2009 05:21 Resonance wrote:
Thanks for the write-up, pretty interesting to read. Boxer seems like a very down-to-earth person, which is nice to see.

Oh btw, @ the Anti-Kim Jung Min (TheMarine), I don't know if it was just that I couldn't follow it, but I think the Boxer and TheMarine are switched for what they say. Not sure though, you might wanna check it out.

the names are correct as listed. anti in this case means someone who was antagonistic etc, so they are saying that themarine was antagonistic towards ACE while he was commentating proleague matches.
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YianKutKu
Profile Joined January 2009
United States142 Posts
January 26 2009 23:39 GMT
#76
OMggg boxer wants to go to Macau? I'll give him a free paid tour around the city!
hwighting!
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
January 27 2009 00:17 GMT
#77
this is too awesome.

Great, great work!
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nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
January 27 2009 00:22 GMT
#78
Best KNF so far imho
u gotta sk8
Quim
Profile Joined January 2009
Sweden6 Posts
January 27 2009 01:41 GMT
#79
thanks guys
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
January 27 2009 02:00 GMT
#80
Aside from TheMarine wearing a crappy sweater, I really loved this issue. Keep it up, guys.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 27 2009 02:01 GMT
#81
So I grabbed him and I told him "hehe I have a lot of reasons to be discontent with you" and then we both fell down.

"hehe" gave me a banana grin
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Whyzguy
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada263 Posts
January 27 2009 02:06 GMT
#82
Awesome issue! Loved the Boxer interview. Am I the only one who thinks he sang that pretty well?
"He who throws dirt, is losing ground." - Fortune Cookie [May 2011]
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 27 2009 04:31 GMT
#83
Sick trans! Thanks all.

Boxer interview was hilarious.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Flamboyant
Profile Joined January 2009
United States57 Posts
January 27 2009 06:06 GMT
#84
A+

5/5

10 stars

Very informative

Would read again

Very nice guides

no im not sucking up
sib-pelle
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden162 Posts
January 27 2009 10:37 GMT
#85
Awesome!
Jangbi fanboy & Gaming Community Scientist
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
January 27 2009 12:40 GMT
#86
Lovely to see Kyungmin getting some attention - he's one of the most energised and fun young players I've worked with this season (along with Tazza) and it's nice to hear about his goals/who he admires etc. Thanks for an excellent article
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
January 27 2009 15:05 GMT
#87
haha that story about boxer hitting HOTForever was hilarious

this feature of TL is pure gold, thank you so much to the translation team and other unofficial translation contributors!
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
January 27 2009 17:09 GMT
#88
no fbh vs savior?
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
January 27 2009 18:00 GMT
#89
"GOMTV Invitational S1 Finals" = what?
GOMTV Classic S1 Final or GOMTV Invitational Final?
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
January 27 2009 22:29 GMT
#90
.... the part where boxer comes out of the building when themarine introduces him in the first YT video... "CAUSE I'M YOUR LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" liquid came out of my nose.
Translator
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 28 2009 01:27 GMT
#91
amazing amazing work. Thanks for translating
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 28 2009 01:27 GMT
#92
On January 28 2009 02:09 anch wrote:
no fbh vs savior?


not as strong as the rest of them, that's for sure
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
January 28 2009 02:25 GMT
#93
On January 28 2009 03:00 uNiGNoRe wrote:
"GOMTV Invitational S1 Finals" = what?
GOMTV Classic S1 Final or GOMTV Invitational Final?


I think its a little mistake, their finals was in the Averatec Intel Classic S1 Finales, the GSI finals was between Stork and Flash.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
January 28 2009 16:13 GMT
#94
LIDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can't fight the feeling.
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
January 29 2009 00:09 GMT
#95
Great translations guys. Thanks a bunch!
StarDraKe
Profile Joined January 2009
France65 Posts
January 30 2009 02:01 GMT
#96
great work! thx

how come he is broke after so many years? o.O
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
January 31 2009 16:52 GMT
#97
On January 30 2009 11:01 StarDraKe wrote:
great work! thx

how come he is broke after so many years? o.O


thank you, was about to ask that.
For the Swarm!
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
February 01 2009 14:08 GMT
#98
Boxers interview
heMarine: You know when Kang Do Kyung (H.O.T-Forever) got out of the army he said that he got hit by you a lot.

Boxer: NO NO that's not true! When someone is leaving the Air Force, all the remaining soldiers stand in two lines, and the person has to run in between them, whether it be running, walking, crawling, whatever. And as they go by the people standing on the sides can kick them, knee them, do whatever. So he came by. So I grabbed him and I told him "hehe I have a lot of reasons to be discontent with you" and then we both fell down. But he fell on his back instead of falling forward, so he could see who was hitting him. So everyone else was too afraid to hit him. So basically I look like an idiot, while everyone else is taking care of their image. So he ended up just staring at me, lol.


OMFG! is that even legal?
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
February 02 2009 09:48 GMT
#99
Holy crap guys, nice work!

thanks for sharing your stuff with the rest of us :D
My unblocks gets yo curleh mustache wet のωの
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