I love the whole idea and the execution but have a little favor to ask. Could you pls record it a bit louder cuz listening to it is kinda hardened on a train or bus or on the street with heavy traffic. It would be awesome if u do that. Keep up the good work.

Chef

10810 Posts

October 14 2008 20:26 GMT

#82

On October 15 2008 02:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
you are not a real savior fan if you also love firebathero, its like cheering for the yankees and the red sox or ohio state and michigan all at once. you just don't do it. fbh-savior is not a rivalry like yellow boxer where they are all buddy buddy outside the booths. savior and the entire cj team hates fbh. you can't be a hardcore fan of both given their history.

i acknowledge FBH's skill level and boldness in the last MSL group and recognize what he brings (entertainment value) to progaming, but will never ever say i love him or cheer for him. if you are a real savior fan you would remember the disrespect during gomtv2

You're not a real StarCraft fan if you don't love FBH.

OOOOH :O DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

I cheer for Savior over FBH any time they meet, and if that doesn't make me a fan of Savior well... That's fucking retarded, because that's by definition what a fan is. It'd be like people telling me I can't be a Senators fan and like Yashin.

PS: Your baseball/football whatever analogies are lost on me. Real men watch Hockey and Soccer (the not gay kind of football). Saying if you're a fan of one team, you can't be a fan of the other, is a false dichotomy. It'd be like saying if you like Rock, you can't like Rap, and vice versa (or classical and death metal, electric and country.. whatever). So I can only hope that you're just trolling me, because otherwise you'll lead a very boring life without that spicy variety that makes things interesting.

PPS: FBH's nukes and lock downs alone make him great fun to watch, even omiting his stage antics.

PPPS: AND ANOTHER THING!!! Ovechkin doesn't play on my favourite team, but that doesn't I can't love him... He's a pleasure to watch, and an incredible talent. I like to see my goalie stopping his pucks but... I'm still in awe when he pulls a sick shot and scores, even against my team (but I won't stand up and cheer lol).

Hot_Bid

Braavos36390 Posts

October 14 2008 20:30 GMT

#83

you can't be a true savior fan if you "love FBH" because fully cheering and understanding savior necessitates a hatred of FBH, the two are bitter rivals, and not in the friendly yellow-boxer way. my sports rivalry analogies are way more appropriate than something like Rock-Rap, where the two are genres and not opposing one another.

you can think you're a true savior fan all you want, but in my eyes theres no way if you love FBH too.

JudgeMathis

Cuba1286 Posts

October 14 2008 20:33 GMT

#84

I prefer FBH over Savior. :-D

edit: Good podcast. Good stuff to listen to.

Chef

10810 Posts

October 14 2008 20:34 GMT

#85

Well I think my Yashin/Senators analogy is much more fair then

There's a tonne of bitterness there.

In your eyes I might not be, but that's unimportant

I know that I get excited and on the edge of my seat when watching Savior play, and nervous when there are game deciding moments in his games... I don't get that for almost any other player. Even FBH, I just watch amusedly... Because he's entertaining, but I don't necessarily care if he wins... I don't even think of him as having a chance at a title.

PS: You can think you're a true fan of StarCraft all you want, but in my eyes, there's no way if you don't love its best players.

NiGoL

1868 Posts

October 14 2008 20:36 GMT

#86

Damn sweet man.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36390 Posts

October 14 2008 21:26 GMT

#87

On October 15 2008 05:34 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Well I think my Yashin/Senators analogy is much more fair then

There's a tonne of bitterness there.

In your eyes I might not be, but that's unimportant

ok "i'm amused by FBH and i don't care if he wins" is far different than "i love firebathero and cheer for him" which is what i got from the tone of your earlier posts

i didn't say true starcraft fan i said true saviro fan, and i didn't say anything about loving or hating the best players in starcraft, i was speaking specifically to the Savior/FBH dynamic, so i have no idea why you are arguing that

edit: so we don't sidetrack the thread any further i'm just going to reply to your below post here, it seems either you misrepresented or i misinterpreted your feelings about FBH. when you say "oh i love savior and i also love fbh" that implies you cheer for them in the same way. now you say you don't care whether fbh wins or not, you just want him to do stupid stuff. this is different than being a "fan" of him or "loving" him in the same way you cheer for someone...

as for my dichotomy being false, it's definitely not. it still holds true for you, you don't "cheer" for both of them to win and find success, you said so yourself. to do so would be weird and unnatural, much like cheering for two rival sports teams (and it doesn't matter what sports you enjoy, pick two soccer teams that hate each other).

anyone who has ever cheered for a sports team or player who really dislikes / has a rivalry with another player or team understands this, it's simply not acceptable to love and cheer for them both the same way.

Chef

10810 Posts

October 14 2008 21:55 GMT

#88

I was just mocking you with an example of a dichotomy I find to be as false as yours.

I love watching FireBatHero... I love watching Savior more, but I still like FBH... Meaning... I don't watch all VODs, but if I see his name in it, that's a big influence for me to want to watch the matchup, while basically any game with Savior is worth watching if I have the time.

I don't know if I'll cheer for FBH to win against randoms, but I'll certainly cheer for him to do retarded stuff, especially in proleague (I think that's what team vs team games are called...). I won't be upset if he loses in OSL or MSL, but I'll sort of want him to win if it's against some random I don't care about.

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

October 14 2008 22:17 GMT

#89

The episode was pretty good, looking forward for more

Interview is a pretty good idea

StarBrift

Sweden1761 Posts

October 14 2008 22:31 GMT

#90

I agree with both of you. I dislike Chalrenges personality and I don't want him to win games because of that. It's totally understandable and even warranted that a big time Savior fan dislikes FBH for his acts against their favorite player. I know I had the same experience with Much when he did the heart ceremony. At the time I laughed because it was a snide way of getting back at FBH but I gotta agree at the same time that I was happy when FBH got his revenge finally. I really wanted FBH to beat Much out of the MSL partly because of that "ceremony". But I suspect the fact that Much very possibly has the most uninspiring and boring personality in the entire world. I mean the guy looks like he's just been through a 15 hour reading of bad poetry and he looks like that ALL THE TIME. HE should be called great grandpa toss instead of uncle toss with that pre historic look of his. That being said I don't nearly dislike Much as much (no pun intended) as Chalrenge.

But they key here is that if you say you HATE another player you clearly don't know the meaning of the word hate. If someone says he really really dislikes FBH then that's totally fine by me but hatred is too strong a word. That really implies that the person would possibly try to harm the subject if they met in real life. And I really don't think anyone on these forums dislike a pro gamer that much.

Louder

United States2276 Posts

October 15 2008 21:54 GMT

#91

haha. Tyler is funny. On one note, Idra and I actually GOT ALONG, we didn't really have words at all.

But uh. I was disappointed in a way that there was some freakish explosive drama (as long as I wasn't involved). Always fun to watch and talk about.

thunk

United States6233 Posts

October 16 2008 02:50 GMT

#92

A question for your next Podcast: Who, in your opinion, represents their team's legacy better - The Legendary KTF Protoss rookie Tempest or the next SKT1 lineage Terran, Fantasy?

Both have been losing a lot in the last week or so, but pwned the three weeks before that. I think whether or not Fantasy beats GGplay and Fantasy beats FBH in the Ro32 will be known by the time you release your next podcast to, so that'll be interesting to hear your ideas on.