• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:04
CET 10:04
KST 18:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !8Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle screp: Command line app to parse SC rep files How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1067 users

Daum OSL - Semifinal 1 - Iris vs. Stork

Forum Index > News
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-05 01:41:47
July 04 2007 23:39 GMT
#1
[image loading]


Stork is 21-3 PvT in 2007. Let me repeat that. Stork is 21-3 PvT in 2007. That's a staggering achievement, and there's no question that Stork is the favorite to take this series. So does Iris have a chance? Can he even hope to win three games in a single night when it took Stork six months to lose that many?

Well, yeah. Here’s why:



OSL Semifinal #1
July 6
18:30 Korean


[image loading]
Stork (P) vs. Iris (T)
[image loading]

Thanks for the images, KizZBG!

Game 1 – Monty Hall

I discussed Monty Hall's TvP balance last week, but it really comes down to this: the longer the game, the better the chance that the Terran will win. The large amount of gas gives Terran players the ability to have a high tank count and get early upgrades, and cliffs overlook all of the late game expansions, giving the Terran excellent late-game resource control. It's no surprise that so many Protoss players have employed proxy builds; they're looking to win the game early. I'm expecting Stork, however, to play safely at the beginning of the game with the objective of getting carriers before things drag on for too long. Iris' challenge will be to use his (presumably many) comsat stations to spot those carriers before they reach a critical mass and time his push accordingly.

Game 2 – Hitchhiker

Hitchhiker is a tough PvT map, and it's not hard to see why: the narrow, narrow path running down the middle of the map is like something out of a Terran player's wet dream. The typical Protoss strategy on maps like Hitchhiker—maps where one really doesn't want to fight with a ground army—is to use reavers to delay the Terran push until carriers. But Stork varied that strategy a bit in one of his games on Hitchhiker by going double-nexus, using a reaver to force turrets and scatter the Terran army, and finally using his brief economic advantage (from the double-nexus) to crack the Terran natural with a lot of zealots. Iris' goal should be to get to the late game; it's almost impossible to halt a massive Terran push in such thin passages. Stork is 2-0 PvT on Hitchhiker, but the map favors Terran 8-6 in the matchup.

Game 3 – Fantasy

There's no question that Fantasy is an excellent PvT map. With its long push distances and relatively open middle, Protoss players are able to do what they do best: form a big, perpendicular line of dragoons and send them into the fray with zealots charging in from behind. Current statistics favor Protoss 3-0 against Terran on Fantasy. I honestly have no idea what Iris can do to win this game, but I'm looking forward to seeing what he's prepared!

Game 4 – Python

Python, along with Arcadia and Tau Cross, is one of the most balanced maps ever created, but it does feature some positional, well, difficulties, especially when it comes to TvP. The normally-simple Terran act of setting up a push and securing that crucial third mineral line is obscenely difficult if the Protoss player is fortunate enough to have cross positions. Conversely, positions of 12/3 or 6/9 give the Terran player the option of slowly but surely creeping up the side of his main while securing the mineral-only expansion and putting himself in only minimal danger. Or the Terran can use a dropship or two to push directly into the Protoss main while supporting those troops with tanks from the available island expansion. I'm not sure which tactic is more difficult to combat, but neither is pleasant. Python's balance is most-evident when the positions are 12/9 or 3/6; Terran players are left with a shorter push and the option of taking the corner gas expansion, but they are unable to abuse the islands or support their push from their elevated main base.

Game 5 – Monty Hall

Though I doubt too many people are expecting it, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the series make it this far, which would be a huge treat for fans. Stork hasn't had nearly the amount of practice time that Iris has, and although I don't give Iris much of a chance to win on Fantasy, he can win on Monty, Hitchhiker, and Python (assuming that he gets a positional "boost"). The only real note about the final game of a Bo5 is that players tend to come prepared with an ace strategy that they've saved for that final, "if necessary" game. This series has the potential to be great!

Here's what the rest of Team Liquid had to say:

SuperJongMan: "Stork's PvT is so ridiculous, if he grabs an advantage, he does not let it go. Period. Iris is strong, but no terran is stopping Stork, don't be silly."

HonestTea: "This series will be decided by one aspect alone: Build Orders. The Two-Fac, 1-Fac, Obs-Goon, Reaver, FD, FE, DT dance."

Manifesto7: "Iris only has one matchup left to prove; his TvP. Stork is the perfect guy to do it against because he is a protoss suitable for Iris' steady style. Someone like rA or Pusan might be too funky for him, but vs Stork Iris knows he can play his own game."
Koldblooded
Profile Joined July 2006
United States661 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-04 23:41:19
July 04 2007 23:40 GMT
#2
Stork again
By.Flash fighting
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
July 04 2007 23:47 GMT
#3
Nice read as always Etter!

Looking foward to ur power rank!
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 05 2007 00:13 GMT
#4
Stork :D
nice etter
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
July 05 2007 00:23 GMT
#5
beautiful write up, gogostork
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
July 05 2007 01:15 GMT
#6
Nice writeup.

Iris & Stork pics:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 05 2007 01:20 GMT
#7
keke, as soon as I read the *updated* pvt stats of stork, I would have known the outcome of last night's match against FBH...

BUT I WATCHED, SO I DONT CARE~~
GO Stork~~
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
July 05 2007 01:24 GMT
#8
I really don't try very hard to appease the spoiler police. If it belongs in the analysis, I put it there. ^^
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 05 2007 01:28 GMT
#9
Looking forward to this series.

+ Show Spoiler +
It would be kind of a snub at FBH if Stork loses this series, after beating him in the MSL.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 05 2007 01:32 GMT
#10
birdtoss for the double title
make me happy
ModeratorHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
July 05 2007 01:43 GMT
#11
i won't make any predictions 'cause i suck;
i'm hoping for good games while rooting for Iris
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
TarsTarkas
Profile Joined April 2007
United States169 Posts
July 05 2007 01:49 GMT
#12
So which Terrans have actually beaten Stork?
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 05 2007 02:20 GMT
#13
FBH twice (today in semifinals), Sea.Leta once (in Proleague on Tau Cross. Was an awesome game btw, very similar to Nada vs Anytime Game 5 @ Shinhan 2 OSL finals, only better).
ModeratorHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 05 2007 03:38 GMT
#14
Yep you should watch the Leta game when you have time
good dropship and vult play i think :D
Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
July 05 2007 03:44 GMT
#15
will the power rank come out any day now or are you waiting for the season to end? just curious
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-05 03:45:34
July 05 2007 03:45 GMT
#16
On July 05 2007 12:38 Pressure wrote:
Yep you should watch the Leta game when you have time
good dropship and vult play i think :D


Game 1
Sea.Leta < Tau Cross > Stork
Download

This is like the 3rd time I've linked this but everyone should watch it of they haven't. :D
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-05 03:47:49
July 05 2007 03:46 GMT
#17
On July 05 2007 12:44 Aepplet wrote:
will the power rank come out any day now or are you waiting for the season to end? just curious

Tomorrow morning. It's mostly written, but I'm probably going to be too busy to finish it tonight. (I'm at work right now. Don't tell.)

Plus, I'd like to see Iris TvP, too.
zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
July 05 2007 03:47 GMT
#18
gogo iris tomorrow stork is
23-6 PvT ^^
우리는 대-한민국입니다
Asakura
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Germany471 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-05 04:19:40
July 05 2007 04:19 GMT
#19
STORK, GO

GO

GOOOOOOOOOOO!

I BELIEVE! YOU'RE THE BEST AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!
Man is disturbed not by things, but by the views he takes of them. (Epictetus)
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
July 05 2007 04:25 GMT
#20
Awesome report DJ. You almost convinced me that Iris has a chance...almost.

On July 05 2007 10:32 Carnac wrote:
birdtoss for the double title
make me happy


ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 144
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 4088
actioN 1021
Pusan 430
Shuttle 315
Killer 193
Dewaltoss 62
soO 56
Bale 55
Mong 42
ajuk12(nOOB) 26
[ Show more ]
NaDa 18
sorry 12
Noble 11
Sacsri 2
Terrorterran 0
Sea 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe138
League of Legends
JimRising 489
C9.Mang0438
Counter-Strike
summit1g11911
shoxiejesuss514
allub14
olofmeister1
Other Games
ceh9448
Happy357
XaKoH 223
crisheroes211
Trikslyr19
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 3
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH215
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen24
League of Legends
• Lourlo1441
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
1h 56m
ByuN vs Creator
Clem vs Rogue
Scarlett vs Spirit
ShoWTimE vs Cure
OSC
4h 56m
Big Brain Bouts
7h 56m
YoungYakov vs Jumy
TriGGeR vs Spirit
CranKy Ducklings
1d
WardiTV 2025
1d 1h
Reynor vs MaxPax
SHIN vs TBD
Solar vs herO
Classic vs TBD
SC Evo League
1d 3h
Ladder Legends
1d 9h
BSL 21
1d 10h
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.