Hmm.. I think I'm understanding the situation more. And it looks like it's the fault of OGN and MBC for giving KeSPA too much power. They should have created an organization that just keeps track of pro gamers' records in reputable tournaments -- just that, no more. By allowing KeSPA to organize the tournaments, OGN and MBC brought this upon themselves.

Now, I'm starting to wonder why OGN and MBC aren't just breaking their ties with KeSPA and start fresh. Maybe because it'll ruin e-sports? >__<

Those folks in Korea probably know a heck of a lot more than me in business management so I'm sure their decision was the right one (I hope, anyway).

Live2Win

United States6657 Posts

March 08 2007 10:36 GMT

#22

Thx for the translation Infinity. It made things clearer for me too.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 08 2007 10:37 GMT

#23

What's wrong with KeSPA running Proleague? OGN and MBC still run their own leagues.

Person514cs

1004 Posts

March 08 2007 10:41 GMT

#24

good job infinity21

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

March 08 2007 10:43 GMT

#25

On March 08 2007 19:37 SonuvBob wrote:
What's wrong with KeSPA running Proleague? OGN and MBC still run their own leagues.

the argument is that "proleague" is originally OGN and MBC's creation, and would fall under one of "their own leagues" that you call them =/

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 08 2007 10:48 GMT

#26

Well, here's what I wrote in the other thread. Let me know if I'm horribly wrong.

On March 08 2007 19:02 SonuvBob wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 08 2007 17:58 DTDominion wrote:

On March 08 2007 17:41 infinity21 wrote:

On March 08 2007 17:34 muramasa wrote:
I'm glad that the ProLeague is going to be coming back, but I'm fairly sure this is a bad thing for pro gaming, long term.

I don't know how profitable OGN and MBCgame are (obviously), but having to buy the broadcast rights from KeSPA is going to cut into that profitability. I hope we don't see a decrease in production values or, even worse, a loss of interest in pro gaming by the broadcasters parent companies.

I have absolutely no proof, but I think OGN and MBC have been raking in too much money with ProLeague. The fact that they have accepted the offer means that there are still tons of profits to be realized even after paying the fees. The introduction of new competition can only do good for the whole e-sports community. All the companies will try to be better than others, offer more attractive features, etc. Who wins? The consumers ^^
Even if OGN and MBC give up Pro League, other companies will be able to take their place (I'm not guaranteeing it will be as good) and continue the development of e-sports.

I don't think it's a matter of OGN and MBC making "too much profit" so much as it was their crappy negotiating position. Through slight of hand KeSPA "got the rights" to broadcast the proleague that OGN and MBC ran and then sold off those rights, and now the new company is making OGN and MBC pay to broadcast the pro league that they created and run, even if KeSPA provides more than superficial assistance.

This doesn't create more competition. It puts the broadcast rights in the hands of one company who can do whatever it damn well pleases with them. The old system worked. The companies that make the tournament have incentive to do a good job broadcasting it. And with multiple tournaments each tournament creator is going to do the best tournament they can. Merging the OGN and MBC proleagues was not a good thing IMO, and now the ability to broadcast them is in the hands of one company.

The consumer got fucked, hard. As did OGN, MBC, and all of pro gaming.

According to the IEG guy, "KeSPA is and has been in charge of Proleague for awhile."

As I understand it, based on the FiFo translations and the news thread:

MBC and OGN had their own team leagues. They merged to form ~~Voltron~~ Proleague with KeSPA's help, and at some point (at the beginning?) KeSPA took over pretty much all the responsibilities except for broadcasting, which they left to MBC and OGN.

MBC and OGN are both represented on KeSPA's board. KeSPA is not stealing from them. They objected because they didn't like the idea of paying for what they've been getting for free.

Now the league (run by KeSPA) is fully independent of the broadcasters (and their respective pro teams), which makes everything more "professional".

The compromise they agreed to is that MBC and OGN will now pay for broadcasting rights, but they are guaranteed to be the primary Proleague broadcasters for the next 3 years.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

March 08 2007 10:58 GMT

#27

I think you're right, if not, at least on the right track.
Now, I think OGN and MBC made a bad decision to give too much power to KeSPA (i.e. allowing them to organize the tournament) because now it's that much harder to separate themselves from it.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 08 2007 11:03 GMT

#28

KeSPA seems like exactly the right group to be running Proleague. As far as I know, every team sponsor (which includes OGN and MBC) has a spot on the board. I don't know who else does though.

Can one of you Korean types browse through KeSPA's site to figure out who exactly runs it and all that? I assume one of these is the "about" page:
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/kespa/kespa_01.asp
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/kespa/kespa_02.asp

Pressure

7326 Posts

March 08 2007 11:08 GMT

#29

ty for translation :D

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

March 08 2007 11:16 GMT

#30

On March 08 2007 20:03 SonuvBob wrote:
KeSPA seems like exactly the right group to be running Proleague. As far as I know, every team sponsor (which includes OGN and MBC) has a spot on the board. I don't know who else does though.

Can one of you Korean types browse through KeSPA's site to figure out who exactly runs it and all that? I assume one of these is the "about" page:
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/kespa/kespa_01.asp
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/kespa/kespa_02.asp

First one doesn't say anything.
Second one

pictures taken from the second link

says that they will focus on three things
ProGamer assistance, popularizing games and leagues, and national e-sports market support

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 08 2007 11:20 GMT

#31

Hm.. see anything on there that actual does say something about KeSPA's structure, etc?

http://www.e-sports.or.kr/kespa/kespa_06.asp looks interesting.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

March 08 2007 11:25 GMT

#32

Oh, KeSPA runs everything and OGN & MBC broadcasts them.

My Korean's very limited -- it doesn't go past everyday usage + a bit more.

edit: Yeah KeSPA literally runs everything. From the rules to the officials to promoting e-sports. The whole game structure is dictated by KeSPA.

Tarte

Canada933 Posts

March 08 2007 12:48 GMT

#33

thanks for translation, appreciated.

Let's hope this turn out to be positive.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

March 08 2007 12:51 GMT

#34

I made a mistake while copying & pasting from MSWord D:
Corrected part:

1)First Negotiation
•Demands exclusive broadcasting rights for cable and satellite TV
•Accepts IEG’s rights on additional broadcasting material
•IEG and the two companies (OGN and MBC) cooperate to create a new ProLeague enterprise

lol it took me like 2 minutes to find out that this thread was moved to News >__<
"zOMG where did my beautiful thread go?"

GoDannY

Germany442 Posts

March 08 2007 12:58 GMT

#35

thx 4 translation

OverTheUnder

United States2929 Posts

March 08 2007 13:01 GMT

#36

sounds good to me^_^

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

March 08 2007 14:14 GMT

#37

NICE~ I was gonna mention this in the thread but you beat me to it.
I literally found out 2 minutes before news post.

Anyways, I'm glad it resolved the way it did.
3 years of proleague is good, and Progaming expansion seems to be in a good place to continue.

ArC_man

United States2798 Posts

March 08 2007 15:17 GMT

#38

So that means SC will stay alive for at least 3 more years? XD

Anyways, I think as long as Kespa pays for all the production and OGN/MBC only does the broadcasting, everything is fine. I originally thought Kespa wanted OGN/MBC to do the broadcasting AND pay for all the production costs while paying Kespa -.-

EachTogether

Korea (South)4 Posts

March 08 2007 15:19 GMT

#39

On March 08 2007 19:43 thedeadhaji wrote:

the argument is that "proleague" is originally OGN and MBC's creation, and would fall under one of "their own leagues" that you call them =/

what thedeadhaji said is absolutely right. because of that fact, we, most of the SC fans are angry.