• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:59
CEST 03:59
KST 10:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles7[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China10Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL76
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Server Blocker RSL Season 1 - Final Week
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Script to open stream directly using middle click
Tourneys
2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Last Minute Live-Report Thread Resource!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Accidental Video Game Porn Archive Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 621 users

New Feature: Power Rankings - Page 4

Forum Index > News
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
November 22 2006 07:43 GMT
#61
On November 22 2006 09:45 Sfydjklm wrote:
=/
what is the point of this?

aside from being totally awesome?
Legalize drugs and murder.
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
November 22 2006 08:03 GMT
#62
Thanks Saro
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-22 08:06:55
November 22 2006 08:05 GMT
#63
Sounds like an interesting idea but I hope that if people bring up debate etc you arne't as PMS as you are in this post, even if it's somewhat sarcastic.
Where joy exists despair will always beckon.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-22 08:34:40
November 22 2006 08:21 GMT
#64
FUCK! I REALLY THOUGHT I WOULD BREAK TOP 10 THIS WEEK!!


Edit: I think this is a bad idea. No offense to DJ Cool (he can, after all, rock a rhyme with the greatest of ease), but while he may know more about korean players than us, there are a lot of people who know more about koreans than him. It'd be like sweetlemons having an NFL power ranking feature on this site (or rather like me, panthers rock, bears suck, steve smith going to get shut down my ass, bitch, he's going to rape you fools again, REMATCH, SON!?!?!).

I also think the featured threads idea is bad. Or rather just worthless.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
November 22 2006 09:48 GMT
#65
That is because you are a homo that only trolls the forums, and does not read the news or care about the BW scene. Thus, your opinion is noted and disregarded.

For all of you who think you can do better, go scrap it up in the power ranking thread and do better yourself. This column, while perhaps abrasive to some, is sanctioned by the site. Go see if you can do better!
ModeratorGodfather
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
November 22 2006 10:13 GMT
#66
As he wrote...

I can see now that what I was hoping to save for next month is going to have to come now. A similar write-up will be present with the posting of every list from this point on, but I thought--perhaps--I could get away without posting it to start. Apparently not. So, onward to the justifications...

---

IPX - There's just no way to logically consider anyone else the hottest, most dominant player in progaming right now. He's won three of the last four MSLs, and he placed second in the one that he didn't win. Beyond that, he's into the ODT, and I can't even remember the last time he lost in the Proleague.

Anytime - This is a controversial choice, I know. But look at the players Anytime faced in getting to the OSL finals. Then watch his actual play. It's easy to look at the statistics and say, "Yo, Nada won 3-2 and had a better record in the tournament." Anytime faced harder players and displayed a greater degree of skill. If Arkanoid and Peaks weren't practically free wins TvP, I have no doubt that Anytime would have won the OSL with ease. And as an extra little nudge, Lecaf, under Anytime's stellar Proleague record, is current the #1 pro team.

Nada - He won the OSL and defeated both Reach and GoodFriend 3-0 in the weeks leading up to it. But he's just not in the same form as IPX or Anytime.

Midas - His semifinal performances have been lacking, but that doesn't change the fact that, on any given day, he can beat anyone in the world. His 2-3 losses to Anytime and Savior have been heartbreaking, and in both series, he's gone up 2-1, blown a huge game 4 lead, and just collapsed in game 5. If he learns to control his nerves, he'll be at the top of the game.

Sea - This is another controversial pick, but in terms of sheer scariness, no one out there has his combination of macro and multitasking. No one controls battles on multiple fronts while still macroing perfectly as well as Sea—no one. He needs to work on his TvZ, because it’s just not a matchup that lends itself to becoming a macro game, but once he figures that out, he’s going to be even more fearsome than he is already.

GGPlay – Argue with this pick all you want, but GGPlay has shown flat-out amazing ZvT and ZvZ as of late. There’s no shame in losing to Anytime 1-2. He’s also anchored his team in the Proleague for a very long time.

GoRush – Rush’s play in the OSL was strong enough for me to put him here. He advanced into the Ro8, losing 1-2 to Anytime in a series that could have easily gone 2-0 in the other direction.

Bisu – Bisu, while going 3-0 in his OSL group, managed to qualify for the upcoming MSL. A 1-2 loss to GoodFriend just doesn’t mean enough to condemn the fact that Bisu has the most potential of any young Protoss out there. He is without question the strongest player in his ODT group, and I expect him to make it into the OSL with ease.

Nal_Ra – This is my final controversial choice, but I’m going to ask you to cast aside your love for all things cheesy for just a moment and consider a few things: Ra would have been eliminated from his MSL group if Boxer had not had to go into the military. Ra did not make the last OSL. Ra cannot qualify for the coming OSL. KTF is in last place in the Proleague. Making it into the semifinals of the MSL by virtue of a gift and losing 1-3 to Savior is nice and all, but putting him any higher than #9 would be an affront to all the players that have qualified for multiple leagues and actually advanced by virtue of their own merit.

Jju – Jju might irritate me with his inconsistent play, but he is one of the only players to make and advance past the group stages of both Starleagues all while anchoring Khan in the Proleague. That’s enough for me to name him #10.

---

Jaedong is not on the list not because I'm unaware of him or because I don't think he's currently on fire. He's not on the list because he hasn't done anything--yet. A bunch of Proleague wins and making an MSL is nice, but it's not enough to warrant placing him among players who have performed well against the very stiffest of competition. If Jaedong makes the OSL and/or wins a few games in a Starleague, that's when I'll say, "Yes, yes, yes," but as of right now, it just feels premature. We all saw what happened with Canata. He made both Starleagues and everyone was hailing him as the second coming of Jesus himself... and then he went 0-3, losing to one member of every race. The same policy of "show me something" applies to Free[gm]. I've got my eye on him, but I need more than a feeling to put him in such elite company.

GF, Iris, July, Zergman, Daezang, and Silver are all close calls, but they just don't quite measure up to the ten players I've selected.
ModeratorGodfather
Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-22 12:51:23
November 22 2006 12:50 GMT
#67
great, gratz on mod position.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 22 2006 14:24 GMT
#68
Ah very good point about rA's thing with Boxer's leave. Totally forgot about that fact, and his top4 MSL finish is rightfully diminished somewhat.

The only other "questionable" choice I could see is Sea, simply because he hasnt showed that much that was spectacular in the last msl/osl, compared to some of the other players on the list. (haha, the game vs boxer in proleague finals immediately comes to mind for me as a great performance of his ) I kind of feel worried that he chose to use SK Terran because a fan claimed he was too slow of a gamer... but as you say, his raw skill is unmatched for someone his age, and let's not forget that he is like what? 16?
Nimonic
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden30 Posts
November 22 2006 15:39 GMT
#69
Saro is awesome and its a brilliant idea, thnx TL guys
Dont you judge me, I got problems
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
November 22 2006 19:40 GMT
#70
It's a liquibet hack.
11 years and counting- TL #680
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-22 21:42:03
November 22 2006 21:39 GMT
#71
On November 22 2006 18:48 Manifesto7 wrote:
That is because you are a homo that only trolls the forums, and does not read the news or care about the BW scene. Thus, your opinion is noted and disregarded.

For all of you who think you can do better, go scrap it up in the power ranking thread and do better yourself. This column, while perhaps abrasive to some, is sanctioned by the site. Go see if you can do better!


Whatever. At least my opinion is noted. So note this: I think these power rankings will die. First off, DJ will get lazy. Maybe he'll quit, or maybe his rankings will just get increasingly sloppy. Secondly, even if he summons up the resolve to keep these things going for a good while (which I seriously doubt he will), people will just lose interest. May I ask why should I care about DJ's opinion? I know he's a solid player, and that his skill is nothing compared to his knowledge about BW and the scene, but other people know so much more. Maybe it'd be fun to read a news post once in a while, but a permanent feature... for me, too much.

Anyways, just remember I (and a bunch of other dudes before me) called the death of this thing.

-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 22 2006 21:53 GMT
#72
And me being a troll? Fuck that. You sure have a short memory. I've posted some worhtless stuff lately, but not exclusively so. And I think that a good bunch of the stuff people think is trollish is just ironic (like when I correct someone's punctuation usage while making the same mistake, then get flamed). Certainly not all of it (sometimes it's just my poor sense of humor), but some.

So I hereby proclaim from this moment on all of my posts will be exceptional. Of course, since I'm doing it because you pissed me off, you still win for straightening me out, so I also say that each of my posts will be better than yours. Man... elitist punk.
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
November 23 2006 00:57 GMT
#73
You know what would be really annoying? Another person that thinks he's Maddox, but applies it to a specific genre. The internet has enough clones.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-23 06:56:45
November 23 2006 06:42 GMT
#74
edit; fuck it..
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
November 23 2006 11:18 GMT
#75
I enjoyed it and will be looking forward to updates.
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 20:57:10
November 26 2006 20:48 GMT
#76
What's the point of this power ranking? People will disagree with you anyways....
Shouldn't you be putting your efforts into something more useful. Is it like an opinion column because you dislike the KeSPA? The KeSPA does work from results, you know....

Oh well... At least effort will be going into it and will create discussion.
Rigodon666
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada183 Posts
November 29 2006 13:04 GMT
#77
Whatever may people say, the facts stay: This ranking is disrespectful. Sorry, but I don't think high level players of this caliber should deal with such no-respect. Do your power ranking as you wish, but seriously, remove these personnal quotes. Talk with the facts like you somewhat did a little, but remove your comments.

I've always look foward to this website (I registered just for this). It has always been somehow professionnal and well mannered, and I can't understand how they've decided to let this ranking take the spot on the first page. It makes Tl.net looses credibility, and I don't think anyone who thinks about it for a minute would disagree with me. This is not about your ranking anymore, it's about Tl.net.

Keep it or don't keep it, I don't think anyone care. But if you do keep this ranking, do your job correctly as an Editor. We don't need a subjective point of view of the Korean Pro League scene based on one person's taste.

Thank you
I'll call the guy who will call Nada
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-25 16:32:28
December 25 2006 16:31 GMT
#78
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 193
NeuroSwarm 165
RuFF_SC2 145
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 116
Icarus 4
LuMiX 1
Dota 2
monkeys_forever463
League of Legends
JimRising 933
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor218
Other Games
summit1g12486
ViBE234
Trikslyr74
ROOTCatZ66
Livibee60
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick53877
BasetradeTV32
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH120
• Hupsaiya 82
• Adnapsc2 8
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22280
League of Legends
• Doublelift4489
• Jankos2234
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 1m
RSL Revival
8h 1m
Classic vs Clem
FEL
13h 1m
Elazer vs Spirit
Gerald vs MaNa
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
16h 1m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Wardi Open
1d 9h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
HSC XXVII
NC Random Cup

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.