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At the end of July, word got out about a WCG documentary made by the National Geographic Channel. Specifically, it followed the path of Xellos and the CJ team (then GO) and their journey to the finals in Singapore. Unbeknownst to us, the creator of this documentary is a member of the TeamLiquid forums, going by the name “The Storyteller”. While many of you may have seen the documentary on TV or downloaded it from the tracker, The Storyteller has many more stories to tell. In this lengthy interview with Mynock, he gives some great insights on the creation of the documentary, as well as progaming and some of the characters that are in the industry.  This is one you definitely do not want to miss. A big thanks goes to both Mynock and Kevin for their time and effort on this project.

The original forum thread about the documentary can be found here.
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The Storyteller, sporting the GO jacket, a gift from Xellos



Mynock:: So, let's get the basics out of the way first: a/s/l?
The Storyteller:: 27, male (pity, eh?), and Singapore, which is in South-East Asia.
Mynock:: And your name for the records sir...
The Storyteller:: Ho Chia Wei, or Kevin.
Mynock:: Natural born Singaporean?
The Storyteller:: Yep, spent a couple of years in Australia as a kid and three years in the UK for university.
Mynock:: What were you studying there?
The Storyteller:: Media and Communications.
Mynock:: Ah, so now you're basically working by your profession then.
The Storyteller:: Yes, although it was really a subject of last resort

Mynock:: Last resort? You seem really into it though. You don’t consider doing this worthwhile enough?
The Storyteller:: My education didn't quite follow the normal route, if you can call Singapore education normal. I did double science for my high school exam, and triple science for my Junior college exams, then I found I didn't quite like science after all, but because I hadn't done literature ever, and I hadn't done history or geography for the past two years, I couldn't do arts. So before entering university I was completely screwed as to my chosen career path. Usually, in Singapore, you either study something "useful", like engineering or law, and become an engineer or lawyer, or you study something general (arts or science) and then go off and be a teacher. My grade weren't good enough to do law and I didn't have the background to do arts. I wanted to do creative writing in the US, but my SAT scores didn't get there on time, so I ended up in the UK doing Media and Communications.
Mynock:: Are you happy about your choice in retrospect?
The Storyteller:: Very. I applied for it fresh out of junior college, and in my two and a half years in the army, I got a chance to do a couple of videos for them. So that made me realize I had blundered into the right path!
Mynock:: So that's when you started filming…
The Storyteller:: Yes, that was my first film a commemoration video for my unit. Then after I got out of compulsory military service, I went to the UK. Not a lot of stuff got done there, because for a while I was more interested in radio than TV, but eventually, for my final year project I did a short film that got the best mark in the history of the course

Mynock:: Haha, right and so now you work for...
The Storyteller:: It just so happened that I was offered a job with my present company to do produce a current affairs program. So I jumped at the opportunity, and they were good enough to keep me on after that, doing development.
Mynock:: So you work for a production company then, that makes video materials on requests?
The Storyteller:: Yes, we only do factual stuff, so documentaries, game shows, current affairs etc… We also do corporate videos, but we don't do advertising or drama.
Mynock:: Right. So tell me about your connection to StarCraft.
The Storyteller:: (man, this will be embarrassing)
Mynock:: When did you get into the game and into the scene?
The Storyteller:: I got into the game in 1998, when it first came out. I played it for a bit, but timing was bad. Back then, the internet was just starting to make its presence felt in Singapore. The kind of rates the providers were charging were nothing short of extortion
Mynock:: Huh, this in Singapore? The rest of the world had it much worse…

The Storyteller:: =D Makes me feel better!
Mynock:: Yea it should

The Storyteller:: Also, at the end of 1997, I had to join the army. Now depending on what job you get in the army you got different amounts of time out of camp, but basically, most people only get out on weekends. Book out on Saturday afternoon, book in on Sunday night. No time whatsoever to play StarCraft. And by the time I got out in 2000, there were other games hitting the market. Plus I had to head to the UK for university. And as you know, the UK is not exactly the most technologically advanced country in the world…
Mynock:: Haha, flames imminent!
The Storyteller:: For the first year, my dorm room didn't even have a phone line. Well, when there wasn't a single LAN gaming arena in the city, and the "quaint, restored Edwardian hostel" didn't have a phone line... It was hell… So the next time I touched StarCraft was when I started on this documentary.
Mynock:: Ouch.
The Storyteller:: And I bought 2 copies and charged it to the company under "research"

Mynock:: Hehe, that's the right attitude!
The Storyteller:: I entered BattleNet as a StarCraft player for the first time on one of those copies =)
Mynock:: OK then, why SC? What was your initiative if you didn't even know the game itself that much from before? You heard of the progaming scene then? The WCG caught your attention?
The Storyteller:: Haha
The Storyteller:: Well, in about... 2005 or late 2004 The Discovery Channel requested submissions of documentary ideas on Asia. I was tasked to think of some stuff, and one of the things I realized was that Asians are mad about computer games. When I went to the UK and Australia, I found that it was the skinny, undernourished Asians who spent their lunch money buying internet time to game. And of course, there's Singapore with a LAN gaming arena on every corner. So I did a little research and found out about StarCraft and Jihoon (Xellos). We didn't get that pitch, but I thought it would be fantastic to do a documentary on them. Then in 2005, the National Geographic Channel (NGC) approached us. "Can you do a documentary on the WCG in Singapore?" they asked. What they had in mind was something for their "Inside" strand. Like, "Inside the White House" or "Inside Vatican City". And this would be "Inside the biggest computer game tournament in the world": How it all comes together, logistics, technology, etc…
Mynock:: Ah, the boring stuff!
The Storyteller:: Absolutely! But I did want a free holiday to Korea... And if you think about it, it doesn't really make sense to talk about technology because the whole point of a computer game is to have as many people as possible playing it. So you want to have it play reasonably well on the clunkiest piece of junk you can find. So I told them if they were thinking of supercomputers and liquid nitrogen, they were going to be sorely disappointed. Then I suggested the whole BW story with the Korean progamers and all, and they seemed to like it. Did a ton of research and finally signed the contract. I had to put in a lot of extra stuff into our original proposal though, because nobody, including my immediate bosses, would let go of the technology element. I had no problems with that... I wanted to visit Canada anyway, so I said that they ought to film some game development in Blizzard. You know, the 3D modeling and all of that. Sadly, that was scrapped due to financial considerations.
Mynock:: Right. Well, not so sadly if you consider the end result though. I can hardly imagine how it would fit – and then again it deserves a whole documentary of its own. And so does the Korean progaming scene!

The Storyteller:: Sadly if you consider that I didn't get my free holiday to Canada. But If this documentary does well, there might be follow-up projects. I'm kind of watching and waiting, hoping that a chance will come along. Many in NGC were skeptical about this idea as it was. But you never know… I know there's an HD network called Voom in the States who have commissioned several hours of documentaries on gaming. Another company in Singapore is doing 3 hours on Korea. And we're doing an hour on China and an hour on Singapore. But as for the more mainstream channels... I don't know. It really depends on luck.

Mynock:: Ok you mentioned "if this one goes well" hasn't it already?
The Storyteller:: I suppose it depends very much on ratings I don't think it was very well publicized, since Blackman himself only heard about it when his friends gave him an illegal online Polish version to download. It hasn't premiered in Asia yet, and a lot of people have already seen downloads so I'm not sure how it will do.
Mynock:: I see. Well I could barely find it here on NGC, and I don’t know the rerun times, so I guess they could “care” more.

The Storyteller:: That’s what I mean; I think they're a bit lost. To me it is simple, put a sample on YouTube, tell the Korean networks, tie is in with WCG, there are many options! But, NGC hasn’t made the jump to that kind of thinking. They are still traditional, advertising on their network which makes it difficult to target the audience who would be interested in it.

Mynock:: So when will you know if NGC considers it successful, and determine if there should be another installment?
The Storyteller:: Probably in a couple months. Ratings of course will determine if there should be a sequel, but the difficult part is determining what to write about. Once you've said, "here's Jihoon, who makes 100,000 a year, un sponsored", how do you find something even better? We need a different angle to take.

Mynock:: Personally, I thought the way the game and pro scene were presented for the casual viewer was great. While hardcore fans may have wanted something more indepth, for the mass audience it was very understandable and clear. Perhaps showing more of the “life of a gamer” could have added more to it.

The Storyteller:: Yes. Well, we showed the contrast between the sponsored team and the unsponsored team. We really wanted to show SKT1 instead of Pantech though, but we couldn’t due to story and time constraints.

Mynock:: I personally especially liked how the difference between Xellos' and Control's places was shown
The Storyteller:: Man, fOru's room was like a dump, and he wouldn't let us show that it was a dump
Mynock:: He has his own room? See, some progamers have it good!
The Storyteller:: Yeah. He sleeps on the floor in his own room. Jihoon shares, or shared his room with Han San Beong, their practice partner, but I'm not sure if he's still with them. I think everyone else just crashed in this room full comforters.
Mynock:: Well a lot of people tend to roam around progaming headquarters trying to join up.
The Storyteller:: True
Mynock:: Ok, so what about the "washed up" gamers, like you showed grrr… but there are others too. In fact Giyom, Elky and Rekrul tend to hang out together, no?
The Storyteller:: Yes, Patry and Elky were living together at that point in time.
Mynock:: Why wouldnt u show those people as well?
The Storyteller:: I didn't know Rekrul back then, and again, it was down to story constraints. See, I really wanted to show Patry but I had to justify why otherwise, they wouldn't give me the money to do it. So I said that he was an example of what happens to pro gamers upon retirement, plus he speaks English and is white. NGC likes that kind of thing.

Mynock:: Haha.

The Storyteller:: They feel Americans can't related to a bunch of non English speaking Korean chappies. Unfortunately, to the layperson, one retired progamer is the same as another. They all play poker, for instance so if we showcased more than one, we would end up telling the same story twice. That's also the reason for only focusing on a handful of progamers.
Mynock:: In your FAQs you mentioned the reason for picking Xellos was due to him being the wcg champ and all.
The Storyteller:: Yes. We were very, very lucky. I mean, of course I knew that even champions can be brought down by rookies. However, I don't think I appreciated just how possible it was because I was new to the progaming scene. So I went in with blind faith in him, and my team, who knew nothing about computer games, just kind of trusted me when I said, "don't worry, looking at his games, I don't think he'll lose". Then Jihoon goes up against The Rock and it takes him about half an hour to grind the guy into the ground. Meanwhile I'm sweating and going, "shit shit shit... my career is over..."
Mynock:: haha
The Storyteller:: And when he wins, I start cheering and pumping my fist in the air, and the coach is standing next to me and he's suitably impressed with my dedication to his star player, so from then on he gives us lots of extra interviews . To be honest, I wasn't supposed to produce this documentary at all, I was just supposed to do research and do the concept. But then we started to brainstorm and think of possible producers and with every name I kept asking, "but does he/she play computer games?". It was always no, no, no... until I got fed up and said, "I'll do it. I'll have to learn everything about international production, since it's my first time, but at least I won't have to read a Starcraft manual!" So I was pretty jumpy on shoot, worrying that things might go wrong
Mynock:: I guess everything was all was ok when Xellos won the Korean finals?
The Storyteller:: Yes. We had a few plans. You see, in actual fact, we did not interview Xellos or film his boarding house until AFTER the Korean Finals. The whole idea was that if he lost, we would just film the Korean champ winning the Korean Finals, and then go to HIS boarding house, so the story would change but we wouldn't waste any shooting time. So after Xellos won, we filmed his boarding house and everything else.
Mynock:: And well, you filmed control as well.
The Storyteller:: And of course, everyone thought we would have a happy ending to our story, But Control, he was the bad guy. He was also our insurance in case Xellos dropped out of the Grand Finals for whatever reason, Control was to become our main character. Of course, even the best laid plans go awry :p.
Mynock:: And then Xellos DID drop out of the finals...
The Storyteller:: And I was horrified! Ongamenet approached me for an interview after that, and i was stuttering and stammering like a politician because I was trying not to answer questions like, "So, how you feel, Seo jihoon lose?" with, "Silent_Control just killed my main character, that bastard!!!!!!" Then the worst thing is, just as my brain is working overtime to re edit all the sequences to make Silent_Control the main character, HE GOES AND LOSES TO A RUSSIAN! Do I have to go to RUSSIA to film this guy now?

And honestly... everything on fOru you saw in the documentary was all we had so we could hardly turn him into a main character. But I suppose a couple of days later, I realized what a powerful ending it would make, but at that moment, it was terrible. Even the WCG folks looked miserable when Jihoon crashed out.
Mynock:: Oh yeah the drama.
The Storyteller:: Jihoon himself walked to the carpark and just stood there I gave him a hug, and he looked completely dazed. I mean, what could be worse than losing to a lower tier progamer on national TV? (losing to Russian, obviously, but we didn't know that at that time). And when Silent_Control lost, he just sat in his chair for 5 minutes looking absolutely miserable. I gave him a hug too.
Mynock:: Haha, and then fOru comes and saves the day...
The Storyteller:: Yes! Who would have thought? I know he won a couple of tournaments before, but he's kind of old, and somewhat laid back . And I know Boxer is 27, but I doubt if Boxer ever built 50 factories and lost.
Mynock:: But what I could never shake there during those scenes, why do you write him off like old and so? In the bw community fOru goes by a different name, namely PvT god. So when I knew that it was foru vs androide in finals I had foru with a 95% chance of winning.

The Storyteller:: *grin* Ah, well, we didn't know that then, did we? =) I suppose it's partly his attitude and his public image. I mean, he's so incredibly shy and he always dresses down and he's so low key… I guess he fooled us =)
Mynock:: Don't write a guy off as old because he's reached 24 That's the moral!
The Storyteller:: Hell yeah.
Mynock:: (and coz I'm 24 myself, huh)
The Storyteller:: But it was great for drama =)
Mynock:: Yes I have to agree there. Moving on… I wanted to know throughout the documentary the APM of the players was considered as a main factor in their skill.
The Storyteller:: Ah I don't think we placed too much emphasis on it. However, I think we did not manage to place enough emphasis on other factors. So APM emerged as the ONLY factor in determining a winner. I tried to moderate that by dropping APM in the Korean Finals and focusing on the strategy aspect of it. In the final Xellos vs control game, I tried to leave it out as well, but like I said, the segment which specifically mentioned APM, and the lack of emphasis on other factors, may have given this wrong impression.
However, the APM thing was very important to me. I had to show that there were things that a progamer could do which a normal human being could not. I also think that watching anyone do anything well is a joy. I find watching Xellos's fingers dance across the keyboard very hypnotic, so that's why APM came into play
Mynock:: Yes actually, we're kind of in the same boat here. I also think APM is important, and I also agree that from the spectator's or onlooker's point of view it's also the more spectacular part of the game
The Storyteller:: Well, it is telling in the Xellos vs silent control match. Xellos really wanted to win that one but I think silent_control just had more time, and you could see that in his timing. He obviously practiced a lot, plus Xellos was a little stressed out. It will probably never happen again, but when you have a definite map, plus a definite opponent, chances are the guy with more practice time will win.
Mynock:: Well, it was a revenge game after all... especially on paranoid androide
The Storyteller:: It was.
Mynock:: I wanted to ask you more about the documentary itself now.

Mynock:: First up, what's with the editing in the matches, the special effects and the sound effects during battles?
The Storyteller:: *cringe*
Mynock:: Laser shots and machine gun fire?!?
The Storyteller:: I hate those, I'll be honest. Of course, to me, and to everyone else who's played Starcraft, they irritate. But we couldn't clear the copyright to use Blizzard's sound effects in time (big organizations are kind of slow) so we had to use our own to boost the sounds.
Mynock:: Alright How was Korea, and especially how did you experience things in regard to progaming scene.
The Storyteller:: Whoa. That experience was so incredible I hardly know where to start. I guess my first introduction to it all was the all star match. As you know, the all star match, while being a completely relaxed event that nobody takes seriously, is a real treat for the fans, and as such, always looks a lot better than the "serious" matches, especially before OGN got their new studio. We were actually in Korea for a reconnaissance trip, and when we heard that Jihoon was playing, we decided to do a quick shoot as well to get some footage. It was the first filming. So we turned up at COEX with our cameras and all, and the first thing we see is this BLOODY ENORMOUS LINEUP. It was 6 people wide and hundreds of people long. Then we get closer and realize that it's composed almost entirely of girls, and then we get even closer and we realize they all look pre-pubescent. That was our first taste of the progaming scene =)
Mynock:: haha. But you did get in eventually?
The Storyteller:: We did. WCG helped us by providing someone from their PR department, Mia Yu, to speak to the producers from OGN, so we got preferential treatment. We got in ahead of time to set up and all. The booming rock/heavy metal music and the crowd and all just blew us away. Of course, that's speaking from my point of view, I was excited as hell and I couldn't believe I was actually seeing a progaming match for real. The pyrotechnics and all were fantastic, and I think our director, who actually had to run around with the camera trying to capture all of that, found it a bit overwhelming
Mynock::
The Storyteller:: On hindsight, it was probably the best way to be introduced to the scene, because had we gone to a match in Megabox Studio or one of the other small game venues, we would probably have been disappointed. As it was, there was some argument over where to place the all star match footage: at the beginning of the documentary or just before the first commercial break? i put my foot down on that one- I insisted on it being early in the documentary, the earlier the better, because I wanted the audience to feel that sense of awe that I felt when I first stepped into that hall.
Mynock:: Right right, that was for the best I'd say. It's always impressive to see it all by having a look at the masses who follow it. Speaking of which, those fans of Xellos who were in the documentary… how much were they following their favorite players? How big a part of their life is doing all those supporter signs, going to matches, and so on... Is being a progamer in korea = move star level of fandom?
The Storyteller:: Well, at first we thought they'd be a bit more extreme, to be honest. We had visions of them dressing up and all, and camping outside the team boarding house and having naughty dreams of Im Yo hwan's amazing fingers. But as it turned out, they don't spend a huge amount of time.

The really hardcore fans, like Jihoon's fan club leader, turn up for every single one of his matches, that's about as far as it goes. For a small match, they have the standard black Xellos banner, or the standard light blue fOru banner. For big matches, like the WCG, they stay up late to prepare special banners. I know the night before the tournament, they stayed up till 3am, but such things happen only once in a while.
One of the interesting things about their fame, though, is that they ARE recognized in restaurants. Every time we went to a restaurant, some middle aged woman would recognize them and come up shyly on behalf of all the waiters and ask for lots of autographs.
Mynock:: So do even the lower tiered players get stopped on the streets and such?
The Storyteller:: That I'm not sure about, since I didn't hang out much with players other than Xellos and fOru. I did have dinner with the whole GO team once, but that was in their regular restaurant, so nobody batted an eyelid. I know Xellos got stopped coming out of a restaurant as well. This girl got all excited, and her poor boyfriend was pressganged into taking a photo of his girl and some pretty boy. Mynock:: How close were you with the team at that time?

The Storyteller:: Quite often, actually. They were very nice me actually. I was not in touch with the progaming scene at that time, but even I had heard of IPXzerg and Midas and I guess they liked my enthusiasm. So they showered good Korean hospitality on me... beer, soju, dinners... and I returned the favour. But the difference was that I got to charge it all to the company, and they had no sponsor and didn't know where their next meal was coming from
Mynock:: I heard Koreans can be the best hosts in the world. How was xellos in real life? He always has seemed to be this quiet guy, but in your documentary, we could actually see him smile.

The Storyteller:: That is my proudest achievement As you know, taking a photo of Jihoon smiling is like taking a photo of the Loch ness monster. It's unbelievably difficult to get hold of, and when you do get it, you're never sure if he's actually smiling or whether it's just your imagination. In fact, I read Mani's interview of Xellos and I was thinking, "oh shit, the interviewer is talking more than the interviewee! How drunk does this guy have to be to talk?!" So after the all star match, we (director, myself, my boss, interpreter, Mia Yu from WCG and her friend) met up with Jihoon in a bar And he requested a lemon tea, so my opening question was, "tell me, because my girlfriend really wants to know, what's the secret of your smooth skin?"
Mynock:: haha
The Storyteller:: And he laughed, and then I followed up with, "do you like whiskey?" And he said yes, and out came the bottle of whiskey for him to bring back to the boarding house, and from then on it was okay. He's shy and he tries to control his emotions, it's part of being professional, but he is very intelligent and very sensitive and mature. I suppose he felt that I was genuinely interested in him as a person, and that helped open him up. And that's the secret of his smile =P
Mynock:: Haha, great stuff And what about control, did you get in touch with him right from the start or only when he became the "bad guy"?
The Storyteller:: No, it was after. For the round of 8, I told the director to go off and shoot some additional shots. I said I had a duty as the producer to monitor our possible characters. It had nothing to do with watching fOru beat July, of course, in fact, sure, I'd rather be carrying loads of equipment and sweating and shooting! But I just had to sacrifice for the good of the production, so I ended up sitting with Jihoon's female fans and watching the matches.

Then for the 3rd and 4th placing, we all assumed that July would walk all over control. But to our great surprise, control actually beats the number one zerg player in the world and that was when we decided we had to follow him.
Mynock:: How much do they actually practice?
The Storyteller:: Depends on the season, but 10 hours a day is not uncommon. Sometimes more, but sometimes a lot less. Like the master interview with jihoon, all the sound bites where he's wearing his black T-shirt, we did it in one of their practice rooms and apologized profusely to the coach for disrupting their schedules. Then we emerge after the interview into the main practice room and we find it empty so we tell the coach that they can start practicing again but everyone is too busy watching TV.
Mynock:: Haha
The Storyteller:: They offered to practice if we wanted to shoot them, but if not, they were all going to veg out in front of the TV that night and then go for supper

Mynock:: were they watching bw at least, or some Korean drama?
The Storyteller:: Korean drama!
Mynock:: Haha, I knew it!
The Storyteller:: They're only kids, after all. But hell, I wish I was like them at their age. With that kind of determination and discipline, I would be doing a lot better than I am now.

Mynock:: Well, many people dream of that you know, but we also here a lot about the “dark side” of progaming. Those players not skilled enough to get into the top leagues, and living on cup ramen.

The Storyteller:: And they end up become TL net administrators?
Mynock:: Haha, that’s right. GO would have to be an example of that, no?
The Storyteller:: Well, not really. I think it's an attitude applied to any chosen career path. Coach Cho said this excellent line in his interview that we had to cut, He said “They don't realize this, but they're doing something that most adults can't do. The lessons they learn from progaming will ensure their success in any field. They'll definitely be better people than I am when they reach my age.” And then he got all teary. Think about it, if all of us, at 18, were working with that kind of determination, we'd be damned successful by now.

Mynock:: Just about finished now, anything else you would like to share?

The Storyteller:: Well, it was very sweet the way control brought two girls to the WCG, and Xellos brought 17.
Mynock:: You mean brought as in they came because of him or as in came with him?
The Storyteller:: Well, for Xellos it was a competition thing. GO DID have a sponsor, but it was a small sponsor called Airwalk. They provided the uniforms and keyboard bags. But when Jihoon and Jaehoon both got into WCG, Airwalk sponsored the air tickets and accommodation of 20 fans. It was a competition where they all had to write, on the the back of a Jihoon/Jaehoon postcard, why they were their biggest fans. And one late night, Jihoon, Jaehoon, the manager of Airwalk, Coach Cho, Manager Kim and uhjoo sat down and picked out the 20 cards they liked best. And most of them, of course, were girls
Mynock:: nice I didn't know sponsors did thing like that.
The Storyteller:: And on the last day, after Jihoon lost, he went with them to the Singapore bird park. He really appreciates his fans and tries his best to be nice to them.
The Storyteller:: Well, they had a relationship with the sponsor, I guess. As for control, goodness knows how, but two girls popped out of nowhere to support him! And one of them he was desperately trying to impress but he wouldn't let her watch him play, because she'd cry if he lost.
Mynock:: Haha
The Storyteller:: I bumped into the three of them, wandering the halls of the competition, half starved, they had gotten lost. So I bought them dinner and control was like, "Oh Kevin! You so handsome!"
Mynock:: Haha
The Storyteller:: Then two days later Silent beats Xellos And the excuse he gives, beating the champ after losing to some Brazlian dude, is that nobody took care of him. Because the night before, his coach flew down with the Rock, and apparently fed him properly. Then he loses to Androide, and it's like worse than Midas losing to Savior. He just sat there, for about 5 minutes and he's literally pulling his hair out. I gave him a hug after that :p
Mynock:: Kevin the progamer saver.
The Storyteller:: Oh well, I just thought that would explain his misery. But it's interesting how Xellos takes defeat differently. No matter how upset he is, he just walks off calmly. He'll feel miserable in private but then he tries to move on as fast as possible. I think it's a result of his coach.

Coach Cho is very attached to his players. He even sponsored trips to Thailand for them, because he said that it's not good for boys their age to do nothing but play Starcraft. We kind of got a shock when July confessed he'd never heard of National Geographic. But The GO team seemed to have a slightly boarder outlook on life.
The Storyteller:: One more interesting tidbit of info, Xellos took one week of driving lessons and then got his license first try. Must be his hand eye coordination! I also asked why so many progamers don't seem to need glasses, whether they had some secret to preserve good eyesight.
Mynock:: Because they're all wearing contact lenses?
The Storyteller:: Well, someone told me that it was because surgeons will do a free lasik on them. I don't know if that was in jest though =)
The Storyteller:: I also should mention that fOru picked Testie as the player he'd most like to face in WCG.
Mynock:: Oh, how's that?
The Storyteller:: We didn't even specify "non Korean", so presumably he's ranked as a better match than control or Xellos Well, you know fOru, he loves to play for fun. And he also said it was very sad that Korean progaming had lost its "friendly competition" atmosphere. He said it wasn't as cool as it used to be, because now everyone has to keep poker faces and play like it's the end of the world if you lose. So WCG, to him, is a good chance to have fun with the foreigners. He enjoys that relaxed atmosphere.
Mynock:: Nice.
The Storyteller:: So we asked him, if you could play against one player, any player, in this WCG, who would it be? And he says, "Testie."
Mynock:: Because Testie is random I guess?
The Storyteller:: (Xellos said silent_control, btw). Yes, I think he likes that.

Mynock:: Well anything you'd like to add? Like shoutouts and such? This is a BW interview after all!
The Storyteller:: Oh, well, thanks to CJ, of course =). And Uhjoo who showed us (girlfriend and me) around Korea =) And I guess the last words would be... um... CJ fighting? =)
Mynock:: Haha, fitting! Well then, thanks a lot for your time, and for creating such a great program. Best of luck in the future.

ModeratorGodfather
Moggle
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada327 Posts
October 09 2006 11:45 GMT
#2
OMG awesome!

I don't have time to read it yet, but OMG I WANT A GO JACKET

Thank you manlyfesto for posting and Mynock for doing the interview. And of course, thank you The Storyteller for the video :D
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teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
October 09 2006 11:51 GMT
#3
That National Geographic special was awesome.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
October 09 2006 11:52 GMT
#4
Great read!
Way
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada565 Posts
October 09 2006 11:54 GMT
#5
On October 09 2006 20:51 teh leet newb wrote:
That National Geographic special was awesome.


is there somewhere we can get this or T_T...?
Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
October 09 2006 11:56 GMT
#6
On October 09 2006 20:54 Way wrote:
[removed quote within quote]

is there somewhere we can get this or T_T...?


Yeah wondering same thing

Great read, really wanna see the video
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MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
October 09 2006 12:15 GMT
#7
secks
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2448 Posts
October 09 2006 12:19 GMT
#8
hmm where can one get this video?
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Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
October 09 2006 12:22 GMT
#9
I was skeptical at first, but it was a very enjoyable read.
Great job as always guys!
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Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-09 12:32:09
October 09 2006 12:30 GMT
#10
heres the video for those looking for it
http://corsairx.com/VODS/dfn-ngwcgames.avi
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 09 2006 12:33 GMT
#11
awsome interview as usual <3
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
October 09 2006 12:34 GMT
#12
was a great read! Thank you Storyteller !
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 09 2006 12:41 GMT
#13
wow
great interview
thanks for sharing this with us
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 09 2006 12:47 GMT
#14
Cool. Thanks for doing the interview MyNock. And thanks for making the doc Storyteller.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
October 09 2006 12:50 GMT
#15
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Profile Joined April 2006
United States1289 Posts
October 09 2006 12:59 GMT
#16
damn wow thats a monster interview ^_^

i will read it in the morning over my cup of cofee and burrito, gosu news post thanks mynock and the storyteller
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3418 Posts
October 09 2006 13:05 GMT
#17
That's the best interview I ever read on this site :- )
Awesome work.
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
October 09 2006 13:07 GMT
#18
What a guy. Read every beautiful word of storyteller's response. NGC was right to do this project, now if only someone would host it on a site or something b/c i dont have bittorrent anymore. Xellos is one of my favorite player since before he won wcg and up until now.

very nice review reminds me of the classic interviews done in the past. gg out
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
October 09 2006 13:45 GMT
#19
The StoryTeller's jacket is pretty pimp.
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Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
October 09 2006 13:50 GMT
#20
yeah awesome interview! it's so interesting to get a glimpse at the personal lives of the progamers, both in the documentary and this interview. i'll also appreciate a little more what goes on behind the scenes in video production.

kevin, let me know if your free travels take you to toronto, canada.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
October 09 2006 13:58 GMT
#21
poor silent_control. T_T
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pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
October 09 2006 14:03 GMT
#22
“They don't realize this, but they're doing something that most adults can't do. The lessons they learn from progaming will ensure their success in any field. They'll definitely be better people than I am when they reach my age.”

I just had to make a post about this quote ...

And I have no idea what I want to say. It just really struck a chord with me. I never quite know what to post here at TL.net in regards to progaming because I'm never sure about what is common knowledge and what is completely new and unknown (I'm often surprised about people who quote random things I've said and compliment me on my knowledge of progaming) but one thing that became very clear to me was that G.O's situation wasn't very known here. They really were going through some rough times and more than once the OGN film crews captured Xellos and the coach crying to themselves when their team lost a match. It was really hard to see.

One thing I'm thankful for is that The Storyteller actually made something like this. Some people may have been excited because the G.O team had Xellos, and since Xellos is good, that must mean the team is awesome and rich and comfortable. The exact opposite is true. The fact that someone like Xellos stayed with the team and shared responsibility with the coach is really, really touching.

So, thank you for the interview and the documentary, Kevin. You really did some great work. When I saw you being interviewed on OGN, I thought nothing of it and even (just casually) asked you on the forums if that was you I saw. I'm really glad I followed up on your project, it was awesome. Good luck in the future.
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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
October 09 2006 14:04 GMT
#23
Dude this was such an awesome interview. Thank you so much Mani and Mynock. This Kevin guy is one awesome guy. Not to mention he's a lucky bastard.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
October 09 2006 14:16 GMT
#24
This is a really good read. Thanks to both Mynock for doing a great interview and TheStoryteller for his indepth answers, and of course making the best bw documentary to this date
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 09 2006 14:59 GMT
#25
wow awesome i love these interviews these days. gj mani, and thanks the storyteller! :D
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
October 09 2006 15:00 GMT
#26
pubbanana-

I have been fortunate with my connection to uhjoo to be a (very) little bit closer to the situation. I can tell you that through uhjoo, I have heard nothing but praise for Coach Cho as well. GO was forced to lose many of its big names because of money, Midas and rA being the obvious two. However, as Xellos decided not to run for the money, Coach Cho also decided to stay. He could have chosen a sponsor that would have been less than the best for his boys, but instead he held out, and now look. He has one of the best deals around. Both Xellos, Cho, and the rest of the crew are to be commended for staying the course and seeing the fruits of their labour.

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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
October 09 2006 15:22 GMT
#27
Nice interview and I loved the documentary.

btw the word "broader" is mispelled near the end there. Might wanna fix that.
Broom
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
October 09 2006 15:33 GMT
#28
Very nice read, love the inside aspects
Big thanks goes to Kevin and of course Mynock
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infecteddna
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Slovenia243 Posts
October 09 2006 16:13 GMT
#29
Damn awesome interview! ^^

If I was filming the Four Riders of the Apocalypse and 3 of them died on the first day of shooting,
I'd want no one but Kevin there to fix things.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 09 2006 16:19 GMT
#30
Great interview! well done!
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
October 09 2006 17:23 GMT
#31
Excellent interview!
Links for those who have not watched the documentary(which unleast for me was a very enjoyable watch):
http://files.ingame.de/broodwar/vid/NG_WCG2005.zip
http://corsairx.com/VODS/dfn-ngwcgames.avi
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Silverflame
Profile Joined August 2006
United States428 Posts
October 09 2006 17:32 GMT
#32
Wow, between the interview and the documentary, I can't decide which one is more godly!
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
October 09 2006 17:36 GMT
#33
kevin <3 <3

so well spoken for such a handsome young man :-P
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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
October 09 2006 20:19 GMT
#34
Very nice, good work.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
October 09 2006 20:33 GMT
#35
What a great interview.

I just got to see the documentary recently, and I absolutely loved it. I also love this interview, and the insight that Storyteller graciously shares with us about the progaming scene.
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19133 Posts
October 09 2006 20:38 GMT
#36
Awsome interview! Thanks a bunch :D. And that jacket is way 1337. Hope you get around this and get some more comissioned, inside scoops!:p
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Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
October 09 2006 21:11 GMT
#37
Great, thanks for sharing your experience =D
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arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
October 09 2006 21:26 GMT
#38
nice xellos jacket ;p
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comabreaded
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States2166 Posts
October 09 2006 21:44 GMT
#39
That was a damn good interview. Thanks.
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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
October 09 2006 21:45 GMT
#40
that was a pretty nice video
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Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-09 23:23:53
October 09 2006 23:22 GMT
#41
sick
one of the best interviews i've ever read.

[edit] this documentary was broadcasted in Brazil (dubbed), but I don't have NGC, so I'll have to download it NOW.

is it in english?
anyone knows if there is subtitles?
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pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
October 10 2006 00:41 GMT
#42
Seriously one of the best interviews that have ever been done.

This site has been kicking even more ass than usual on the News section.
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Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
October 10 2006 00:46 GMT
#43
Uh, thanks guys, very glad you liked it, too much praise tho, really

All the thanks goes out to Mani for compiling this thing as I was - and am - too busy to do anything noteworthy anyway, and of course The Storyteller for the great insightful info he provided us with.

-Mynock
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
October 10 2006 00:51 GMT
#44
--- Nuked ---
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-10 03:35:04
October 10 2006 01:15 GMT
#45
--- Nuked ---
Tycho
Profile Joined April 2003
Netherlands351 Posts
October 10 2006 01:52 GMT
#46
great ngc edition, d / l - ed and watched immediately =]
Just enjoy!
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
October 10 2006 03:04 GMT
#47
Hi Kevin. Remember the guy that mailed you about a university paper he was writing about pro-gaming? Dunno if you do, but that's me. *waves*
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
October 10 2006 03:41 GMT
#48
It was long but extremely interesting

thanks mani!
Huge iloveOov fan
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
October 10 2006 05:35 GMT
#49
Excellent interview Mynock! Great job.

That jacket is awesome by the way.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
October 10 2006 05:54 GMT
#50
Thats a long interview.
Moonlight Shadow
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
October 10 2006 06:01 GMT
#51
On October 10 2006 14:54 useless wrote:
Thats a long interview.


Living up to your name I see.

Thanks for all of the positive comments. I realize it is not your standard BW interview length, but in reality, the standard internet length is much too short. I would hope that people can read it for interests sake, and not be counting the number of lines on something. (God knows when you get to university this is like the introduction).
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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
October 10 2006 06:30 GMT
#52
Teh Secks!!!
First Boxer then this, I am overwhelmed by positive emotions...
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Adaptation
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada427 Posts
October 10 2006 07:01 GMT
#53
Damn, starcraft shows its emotional side. Come give me a hug Nada, its fine to lose to a proxy zealot rush inside of your base.
So i did a 9 pool on an island map, so what?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 10 2006 07:04 GMT
#54
Nice interview.

I watched the documentary once, but then it got deleted. Someone care to seed?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States378 Posts
October 10 2006 09:04 GMT
#55
Do the next article on progaming girls IE Tossgirl ;D
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strik.fr
Profile Joined May 2006
France212 Posts
October 10 2006 10:34 GMT
#56
that documentary was really very good and interesting , and that interview is nice because more details . thanks
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TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
October 10 2006 12:07 GMT
#57
can anyone reseed this ?
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The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
October 11 2006 13:12 GMT
#58
On October 10 2006 12:04 Born)Slippy wrote:
Hi Kevin. Remember the guy that mailed you about a university paper he was writing about pro-gaming? Dunno if you do, but that's me. *waves*


Hey, yes, I remember you. Did it go okay?
[CS]Pablo
Profile Joined September 2002
Brazil338 Posts
October 11 2006 20:37 GMT
#59
On October 10 2006 02:23 lololol wrote:
Excellent interview!
Links for those who have not watched the documentary(which unleast for me was a very enjoyable watch):
http://files.ingame.de/broodwar/vid/NG_WCG2005.zip
http://corsairx.com/VODS/dfn-ngwcgames.avi


I've dled the avi, but it seems to need a codec to run, I can only hear the audio. Does anyone know which codec it requires and where can I get it?
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Mr_Pink
Profile Joined September 2006
United States338 Posts
October 12 2006 06:27 GMT
#60
took me a while but it HAS! been read.
gG.
eugene17
Profile Joined June 2006
Singapore174 Posts
October 13 2006 15:46 GMT
#61
Great GREAT interview! watched on the PC and i'll catch it again on NGC. Just proves how great a game starcraft is.

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MaGnIfIcA
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway2312 Posts
October 13 2006 17:18 GMT
#62
Very nice interview, will watch the documentary as soon as i can.
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Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
October 14 2006 12:40 GMT
#63
On October 10 2006 15:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
[removed quote within quote]

Living up to your name I see.

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