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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 26 2013 08:42 GMT
#21
Life must go on. He must make it back to Code S. It is interesting to hear what sort of jokes they make about the root word of both players' names being the same.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
February 26 2013 08:52 GMT
#22
aLive possibly won't stay alive for long against Life, with Life clawing his way back into Code S. Upsets always make watching the GSL more interesting, and I hope that they will happen today.

I root for Flying, Gumiho, Lure and Life to make it through to Code S next Season.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
February 26 2013 09:08 GMT
#23
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 26 2013 09:10 GMT
#24
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.

Curious doesn't get enough credit for his skill. He's a very good player that's just finally putting it all together this season.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 09:18:02
February 26 2013 09:17 GMT
#25
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.
this.
I'm especially interested in how alive tries to play this. Practicing for a bo3 against life of all zergs as a terran must be quite depressing.

Wax, were you making gumiho the code s gatekeeper with gumiho-thorzain a few seasons (?) ago in mind?
AndaGalant
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany42 Posts
February 26 2013 09:41 GMT
#26
Where is the Review of last Code S Ro8 day 2 matches? Taeja vs Soulkey and MC vs RorO. Was hoping for some epic reading -
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 26 2013 09:45 GMT
#27
On February 26 2013 15:21 wchigo wrote:
In the latter part, the wording makes it seem like sOs 18 - 8 record consists purely of PvP games.

he has an 18-8 record in PvP as well as in SPL haha
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2013 11:23 GMT
#28
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.


Curious is a lot better than people give him credit for, and he has always been. Consider this:
-He had massive nerve issues that he was suddenly able to overcome
-Parting is a former team mate, meaning that Curious (possibly Life too, if he helped out with preparation) had intimate knowledge of Parting's already somewhat predictable PvZ
-KeSPA teams - SKT T1 in particular, focus on Proleague first, other tournaments second. With Parting scheduled to play in Round 4, in HoTS, it's not unlikely that management is making him divide his time between HoTS and WoL, whereas Curious is focusing almost solely on WoL (as evidenced by his series against Mvp in the MLG Showdowns).

Considering all that, I think aLive - a player who has been mediocre at best in the match-up lately (did you see aLive - Nestea in Code A?), beating Life, the best player in the world and arguably the most dangerous player against Terran across all races, is a much bigger upset. In fact, I would go as far as to say that Curious >> Parting wasn't that big of an upset.
AdministratorBreak the chains
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 26 2013 11:26 GMT
#29
On February 26 2013 20:23 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that Curious >> Parting wasn't that big of an upset.

http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/betcomments.php?liquibet=255 TL disagrees, haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 26 2013 11:34 GMT
#30
thank you waxangel...
Fionn would have screwed DRG over
:O
moo...for DRG
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2013 11:34 GMT
#31
On February 26 2013 20:26 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 20:23 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that Curious >> Parting wasn't that big of an upset.

http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/betcomments.php?liquibet=255 TL disagrees, haha


Oh I know, but looking at all the factors coming into the series, Parting wasn't all that favored - at least not in my eyes. A lot of people will vote for Parting on name value alone, but Curious actually did have a lot going for him
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 26 2013 13:18 GMT
#32
On February 26 2013 20:34 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 20:26 opterown wrote:
On February 26 2013 20:23 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that Curious >> Parting wasn't that big of an upset.

http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/betcomments.php?liquibet=255 TL disagrees, haha


Oh I know, but looking at all the factors coming into the series, Parting wasn't all that favored - at least not in my eyes. A lot of people will vote for Parting on name value alone, but Curious actually did have a lot going for him

Well, also since the Infestor nerfs, we see a lot of Zerg trying new strategies, so we really couldn't say what will work out for them when we don't know what style they play at all. Life won 2-0 against parting with Hydra rushes, and then switching into Mutas, while Curious destroyed Parting 3-0, opening Muta in every game.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
February 26 2013 14:28 GMT
#33
On February 26 2013 20:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:
thank you waxangel...
Fionn would have screwed DRG over
:O


Fionn would have picked Lure because he's a way more interesting story
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
randomusername85
Profile Joined February 2013
3 Posts
February 26 2013 15:42 GMT
#34
On February 26 2013 20:26 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 20:23 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that Curious >> Parting wasn't that big of an upset.

http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/betcomments.php?liquibet=255 TL disagrees, haha


Actually Parting was only a slight favourite over Curious on pinnacle sports betting. I think the odds were about 1.75 Parting and about 2.15 on Curious -> Parting a ~ 55% favourite with Curious ~ 45%.
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
February 26 2013 17:00 GMT
#35
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


first time on in months, just had to say this is ridiculous

suuuuure micheal jordan was the best player of his time, and possibly ever, but he wasn't that great.

-_-

do people talk him up a lot? yes, can he lose, yes. does that mean he's overated? nope.

he should crush everyone, just because he doesn't sometimes doesn't mean he's not the absolute best.
Must not sleep, must warn others
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
February 26 2013 20:31 GMT
#36
Yes Life!!
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 26 2013 22:31 GMT
#37
Whoa, all predictions correct (one missed the series score, though).
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 23:17:05
February 26 2013 23:16 GMT
#38
On February 26 2013 18:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.

Curious doesn't get enough credit for his skill. He's a very good player that's just finally putting it all together this season.


On February 26 2013 20:23 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 18:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On February 26 2013 17:00 Zealously wrote:
On February 26 2013 16:38 SAFenix wrote:
Tbh Life is so overrated by every player/commentator/writer everywhere. Bomber saying "he's too good to even practice with''? So overrated. Yes he's the best player in the world, yes he's really good, yes he plays Zerg, but he's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if aLive won.


While he might be a little overrated in ZvP/ZvZ(he'll lose in those match-ups), his ZvT is on another level and every bit as good as people say it is. If aLive wins this series, I will consider it the upset of the year so far.

Over "Gatekeeper of the ro16 for all Eternity" Curious 3-0'ing Parting, World Champion? It wasn't that Curious won, which would've been surprising enough, it's that he completely roflstomped him.

I can't even think of many upsets that would outdo that one.


Curious is a lot better than people give him credit for, and he has always been. Consider this:
-He had massive nerve issues that he was suddenly able to overcome
-Parting is a former team mate, meaning that Curious (possibly Life too, if he helped out with preparation) had intimate knowledge of Parting's already somewhat predictable PvZ
-KeSPA teams - SKT T1 in particular, focus on Proleague first, other tournaments second. With Parting scheduled to play in Round 4, in HoTS, it's not unlikely that management is making him divide his time between HoTS and WoL, whereas Curious is focusing almost solely on WoL (as evidenced by his series against Mvp in the MLG Showdowns).

Considering all that, I think aLive - a player who has been mediocre at best in the match-up lately (did you see aLive - Nestea in Code A?), beating Life, the best player in the world and arguably the most dangerous player against Terran across all races, is a much bigger upset. In fact, I would go as far as to say that Curious >> Parting wasn't that big of an upset.

Not that big an upset? It's easy to justify anything in hindsight. Like I said, the shock wasn't so much that Curious won. As we know, upsets are frequent in pro SC2. The shock was the way that Curious won: stomping Parting in a completely one-sided 3-0. Everything was in favour of Parting before that match:
  • Parting was world champion, recent GSL blizzard cup finalist, GSL semifinalist, and just won WCG 2012
  • Curious has been stuck on the ro16 his whole career, for nerve reasons or whatever. It didn't seem likely this would be the time he would overcome his block after he had failed so consistently in the past.
  • Parting built his name on world-class pvz, beating zergs left and right even in the darkest days of pre-nerf infestor/BL
  • Curious's zvp was known as his weakest matchup
  • It looked like the infestor nerfs had finally fixed pvz, to the point that TL's writers naively predicted both protosses would advance and 3 of 4 zergs would be eliminated in the quarterfinals (in retrospect: LOL)
  • Parting eliminated Life, many (still) consider the best player in the world, in the last round
  • Curious's zvp continued to look weak this tournament when MC 2-0'd him in the ro32. And when he beat MC in the rematch, it had looked more like MC was just on one of his many off days (eg executing a bad immo-sentry) than him doing anything particularly special
  • Parting led the head-to-head 3-0 in sets, 6-2 in games
  • Parting was considered the undisputed best Protoss in the world, and was the favourite to win the tournament going into the quarters.

I could go on. The point is Curious edging out a close 3-2 over Parting, that would have been (barely) believable. It's not about underestimating or doubting Curious, just looking at the facts and the records. But if you had written in the TL predictions that Curious would 3-0 Parting, you would have had people writing in genuinely concerned for your health over the amount of drugs you were smoking.
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