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February 1st, 2013 23:37 GMT

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GSL 2013 Season 1 Code S



Ro32: Group H Recap
Innovation, Stephano, DRG, Hack


Ro16 Group Selection Preview
Oh, the possibilities!


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Ro32: Group H Recap

by: Waxangel

Results from Live Report Thread by Shellshock1122.
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Innovation vs Stephano
(T)Innovation <Whirlwind SE> (Z)Stephano
(T)Innovation <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)Stephano
(T)Innovation <> (Z)Stephano

(T)Innovation wins 2-0!

Hack vs DongRaeGu
(T)Hack <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)DongRaeGu
(T)Hack <Icarus> (Z)DongRaeGu
(T)Hack <> (Z)DongRaeGu

(Z)DongRaeGu wins 2-0!

Winners' Match
(T)Innovation < Akilon Flats> (Z)DongRaeGu
(T)Innovation <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)DongRaeGu
(T)Innovation <> (Z)DongRaeGu

(Z)DongRaeGu wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(T)Hack < Akilon Flats> (Z)Stephano
(T)Hack <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)Stephano
(T)Hack <> (Z)Stephano

(Z)Stephano wins 2-0!

Final Match
(T)Innovation <Daybreak> (Z)Stephano
(T)Innovation < Akilon Flats> (Z)Stephano
(T)Innovation <Whirlwind> (Z)Stephano

(T)Innovation wins 2-1!



(Z)DongRaeGu and (T)Innovation advance to Code S RO16!


Call it a Comeback
– Undefeated (Z)MVP.DongRaeGu tops Group H.


In the first Code S Season of 2012, (Z)MVP.DongRaeGu hit the best form of his life and won his only GSL championship. Going off last night's performance, DongRaeGu is on pace for a repeat in 2013. DongRaeGu made a statement with four crushing victories against (T)ST_Hack and (T)STX_Innovation, looking like the unstoppable player who dominated the first half of 2012.

DRG's first victim was Hack, the underdog of the group. Unfortunately for Hack, he showed that his underdog status was much deserved as he went down against DongRaeGu without being able to put up much of a fight. Game one on Cloud Kingdom was more of a creep spreading exercise for DRG as he looked completely untroubled, controlling the game from start to finish as he won with an ultralisk heavy composition. DRG went on to end the series in the following game, thwarting Hack's marauder-hellion-marine all-in with quick infestors.

Ro16 Players

Zerg (8)
(Z)ST_Life
(Z)Azubu.Symbol
(Z)Azubu.BBoongBBoong
(Z)LG-IM_LosirA
(Z)Samsung_RorO
(Z)Woongjin_Soulkey
(Z)MVP.DongRaeGu
(Z)ST_Curious

Protoss (3)
(P)SK_MC
(P)SKT_PartinG
(P)Squirtle

Terran (5)
(T)MarineKingPrime
(T)ST_Bomber
(T)FXOGuMiho
(T)Liquid`TaeJa
(T)STX_Innovation
After an easy victory against Hack, DRG moved on to a more illustrious opponent in Innovation. However, Innovation would provide no more of a challenge, though DRG did happen to catch at least one lucky break. The first game was vintage DongRaeGu as he used the muta-ling-bane style that had originally brought him fame in the ZvT match-up. Innovation tried to go toe to toe with DRG, but was brutally overrun by his opponent's swarming forces. Their second game followed a similar pattern as the first, but came to a rather abrupt end. As DongRaeGu charged in for a large mid-game bust, Innovation committed the bizarre error of unsieging, sieging, unsieging, and then resieging his tanks, making it so they fired zero shots in the pivotal defensive battle (a mistake that hearkened back to the Brood War days, where siege and unsiege were on the same hotkey). DongRaeGu's banelings were unscathed, and wiped out Innovation's marines to earn a fast GG.

No Second Chances.
– (Z)Stephano falls to (T)Innovation in battle for final Code S spot


Expectations couldn't have been higher for (Z)EG.Stephano.RC as he finally made his debut in Code S. The top foreigner had been courted for over a year by the GSL, and fans around the world wanted to know if he could make it in Korea. While Stephano had made a career of living up to, and often exceeding expectations, his run in the world's most prestigious StarCraft II league ended in a letdown.

His first series against Innovation appeared to be going smoothly at the start. Playing a macro game on Whirlwind, Stephano put himself in a good position to win late after using infestors to thwart Innovation's first big push out onto the map. However, Stephano soon found his solid foundation rapidly falling apart. Giving up the direct approach, Innovation opted to constantly use dropships to harass Stephano and keep him occupied while he slowly expanded his territory and secured more resources. Stephano simply could not keep up with Innovation's multitasking and aggression, and was forced to GG out after being slowly whittled down to the bone. Having taken the initiative, Innovation refused to let go, and pounced on Stephano in game two with a surprise 3-factory blue flame hellion strategy. It went exactly as planned for Innovation, with Stephano surrendering after his zergling based defense was reduced to ashes.

The losers match against (T)ST_Hack allowed Stephano some degree of redemption, as he showed why the GSL had been so eager to secure his participation. Stephano mercilessly tore apart Hack's mech with brood lords in game one, and used a deadly two-base roach timing to take the series 2 - 0.

Stephano would be given one last chance to get revenge against Innovation and clinch a Code S spot in the final match of the night. Things started poorly for Stephano, as Innovation's proxy barracks rush forced him into a quick, one game deficit. Still, there appeared to be hope after game two, where Stephano dominated Innovation on Akilon Flats. The Evil Geniuses Zerg used one of his less favored compositions in muta-ling-bane to stay in control of the game, eventually transitioning into ultralisks and forcing the GG.

Alas, Stephano's momentum from game two did not carry on into game three. With everything on the line, Bogus pulled out a two base marine-marauder all-in strategy, one in the same vein as the timing attacks that saw him reach the semi-finals in the previous season. Stephano barely held off Bogus' first attack, but was helpless to defend when the second wave came crashing in. Just one game away from reaching the Ro16 and living up to the hype that been heaped upon him, Stephano was forced to wave the white flag.

Ro16 Group Selection Preview

by Zealously

The GSL Group Selections have time and again been the source of almost unending confusion, rage, and grief. There's no telling what the players will do, from committing GSL suicide by picking the strongest available players, to creating 100% mirror-match groups, or even choosing to play their own friends and teammates, we've seen it all happen in the GomTV studio. Tonight, the first Group Selections of 2013 will go down, and there will most certainly be much more confusion coming our way.

In this post, I will attempt to analyse the underlying reasons for players making the picks they do, identifying the most significant factors in these picks, as well as try to predict player picks. Please note that suicidal tendencies cannot be accounted for, nor the possibility that they will be tricked, taunted, persuaded, threatened, or flattered into making spur of the moment decisions.


Code S Ro16 Group Selection Format

The following was taken from the previous season's group selection thread by Shellshock1122. Reading through the post will help give you a better idea of how group selections work.

The four players with the highest GSL 2012 point rankings are placed into four groups - 1st place to Group A, 2nd to group D, 3rd to group C and 4th to Group B. This season, DongRaeGu goes to group A, Life to group D, MC to group C, and Squirtle to group B.

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There are three rounds of picks.
  • Round 1: The #1 ranked player picks from the remaining players, then the players ranked 2nd to 4th make their picks (A - D - C - B order).
  • Round 2: The player picked into Group D during round 1 then begins the second round of picks. The players picked in groups C, B, and A follow (D - C - B - A order ).
  • Round 2: The player picked into Group A during round 2 then begins the final round of picks. The players picked in groups B, C and D follow (A - B - C - D order). The final two players effectively have no real 'choice.'



The Five Key Factors

Obviously, the first thing a progamer will ask himself when making a pick is "Which opponent do I have the highest chance to beat?" If that were the only criteria they had in mind, then group ceremonies would end up being a fairly dull affair, with 90% of the selections being extremely obvious and predictable. However, maximizing one's win rate is not the only thing progamers have in mind at the group selection, and there are a number of key factors outside of the game that influence their decisions. Here are the five most important factors, in no particular order:

1) The ”Friend” Factor
If there is one trend that has remained almost unbroken throughout all GSL seasons, it is the rule of thumb that you do not, if it is even remotely possible to avoid it, pick friends or teammates. This one doesn't need much explaining: picking your friends and teammates might mean that you end up eliminating the other, ultimately preventing them (or yourself) from being successful and possibly creating quite a bit of hard feelings.

Another thing to consider about picking team mates are the mind games – Life will know Bomber well enough to counter what Bomber should be doing before he does it, and Bomber will play to counter Life's counter before any of them have actually even done anything yet. With this in mind, picking a teammate is not only a recipe for hard feelings, it becomes a dangerous thing to do even if you're generally the more skilled player.

The most well-known exception to this rule came in GSL November, where two-time champion MMA made the controversial decision that his fellow team mate, YugiOh, was the weakest player available to him. Without mercy, he picked him and sent him right out of Code S. In general, however, players will not pick their teammates or close friends.


2) The Revenge Factor
The desire for revenge is a natural human emotion, and it is a desire one must consider when looking at the reasons behind player picks in the Group Selections. A recurring theme throughout every tournament in GSL history has been the desire get back at player X for beating you that one time a few months back. However, it doesn't always play out the way the vengeful party would hope.

On the contrary, it is a fairly common occurrence for the player seeking revenge to get demolished yet again. It seems obvious that picking a player who already beat you isn't the smartest strategy unless you are really confident that you just had that one bad day, but it doesn't stop progamers from continuing to try. On occasion, things do end up working in the vengeance seeker's favor. Some players become overconfident after a particularly crushing victory over an opponent, and fail to prepare adequately for the rematch.


3) The Overconfidence Factor
You are DongRaeGu. You have just advanced from the Round of 32 in dominating fashion, beating Bomber and Polt on your way to the Round of 16. In the Group Selections, Polt – the player you dominated just freaking yesterday , is up for grabs. Surely, the most logical decision is to pick that player, right? You owned him once, why shouldn't you be able to own him again? Oh, Polt beat you and got you kicked out of Code S. How on earth did that happen?

This demonstrates the Overconfidence Factor. Being overconfident in the GSL is perhaps the most serious mistake you can make, and it will get you eliminated more or less every time. DongRaeGu knew his ZvT was strong, and was confident in the fact that he had beat Polt just recently. That might have been enough to justify his move, if not for the fact that Heart and Happy were still on the table. Yes, DongRaeGu allowed a measly 2 - 0 victory to make him think that somehow a one of the best Terran players in the world would be a better opponent for him than two much less accomplished Terrans.

This not to say that picking a player you're very confident against is a bad move – Bomber is going to feel good about going up against Protoss, Life against Terran, Soulkey against Zerg, and so forth. But when players start to think less with their brains and more with their egos, they sometimes bite off more than they can chew.


4) The ”Group of Death” Factor
From a long-term win rate point of view, the least reasonable way of picking your opponent is picking an someone you know will be an excellent player. And yet, that kind of thinking is almost contagious in the GSL, with several Code S tournaments ending up with a Ro16 group of death. GSL champions in particular tend to attract a lot of attention at Group Selections, and for good reason – picking and beating them is a gateway to recognition and fame. However, you have to sit back and think, is it worth the risk? If it backfires, it can be a shortcut straight out of Code S.

Take, for example, Season 3's Group of Death containing MC, Symbol, Squirtle and Marineking. Right off the bat there were players available for picking that would have been consider safer, not to mention much easier opponents, than those guys. And yet, they were all very intent on creating a group that no one could safely advance out of. Why? It ties somewhat to the Overconfidence Factor above – they were all convinced that they could beat whoever they picked, and wanted to show off the skills they were so confident in.

The reasoning behind it appears to be that with how hard it is to distinguish yourself from the masses in Korea, creating a group of death and advancing is one way to prove how skilled you are. It is also the most risky way of creating a group, but there always seems to be ”that one guy” who starts it, and everyone else in the group is somehow roped into following his lead.

Something that ties to this is a kind of revenge that often occurs within the Group Selections themselves. Let's say for example, Marineking struggles against Zerg, and says he's inclined to pick a Protoss opponent such as PartinG. PartinG, who does not want to play a strong player like MKP, threatens to use his pick on a strong Zerg if MKP decides to go ahead with his move. MKP decides to call PartinG's bluff, and in response PartinG refuses to back down and brings Symbol into the group. In this example, PartinG knows that Marineking might be favored against him, so he decides that if he's going out, he's going to do his best to have someone eliminate Marineking for him. This also brings us to the fifth and final significant factor:


5) The ”Symbol” Factor AKA. I'm going to be really mean to you now
”Symbol hates LG-IM” is a common thing to read when they both appear in a discussion. No one can blame him, with how he lost to Seed in the most insane reverse-sweep ever in the GSL and proceeded to slump for a while after that.

What he did in the Group Selections once he got back there went beyond simple ”I'll pick the player who beat me and beat him”, and into somewhat controversial territory. By picking Happy, Seed's team mate, he knew that if he was going out, then chances were that one of the LG-IM players would eliminate the other. This struck many as mean, perhaps even evil, but there is a certain stroke of genius to it. Symbol knows that the knowledge that you might have to eliminate your teammate and friend could really throw you off your game and give him the advantage, and he doesn't hesitate to use that.

It also gives Symbol the credibility to make a similar threat in a future group ceremony. Most Koreans are too well-mannered to force a team-kill, but Symbol showed he's willing to protect his own interests at all costs. It's always something to consider – whether a player does it out of desire for revenge or cold logic doesn't really matter, because such a strategy is very potent and it most certainly shows that you mean business.


Mock Draft

Now that we've got all that out of the way, how about a mock draft? There's dozens of different factors that could swing the group selection one way or another, and one influential pick early can change everything. But for the fun of it, here's just one example of how things could go.

First pick: DongRaeGu: Marineking
Though DRG and MKP apparently are good friends, picking the player with the weakest vZ in the Round of 16, and the one that he has also developed rivalry with seems to be by far the most attractive option for DRG. In addition, DongRaeGu has shown in the past that he wants MKP in his group every chance he can get. One tendency that cannot be overlooked completely, however, is DRG's stubborn preference to always pick players he beat in the Round of 32. This hasn't worked out for him so far, as Creator and Polt have both punished him in the Ro16. If he does continue this trend, it seems Innovation, another Terran, could also be on the top of his wishlist.

Second Pick: Life: Soulkey
Life is still upset with how season 5 turned out for him, as he was eliminated from two straight losses against Soulkey in what was considered his best match-up for a long-time. In his Ro32 interview, he stated that he wants to get revenge. Unless the Startale coaching staff talked him out of that pick during this time, it's probable that he'll go through with it.

Third pick: MC: PartinG
MC went on record saying he wants an all Protoss group. Take a moment to take that in. There are three Protoss in the Ro16 and he as many of them in his group because he wants to monopolize the Protoss spotlight. Since he can't take Squirtle, he'll end up having to take the only remaining Protoss in Parting.

Fourth pick: Squirtle: BboongBboong
Squirtle advanced in second place from his group after losing to the vastly improved BBoongBBoong, and I can definitely see him picking BboongBboong to get back on him. Though Curious is also available, Squirtle was his teammate for a long time and as such it is unlikely that he'll be picking the Code S Reader.

Fifth pick: Soulkey: Symbol
Soulkey stated in his Ro32 interview that he wants to create another all-Zerg group this season. RorO is a fellow KeSPA Zerg and on a ZvZ tear lately, and Curious is Life's teammate. So, depending on how well-mannered Soulkey is, we'll either see Symbol or Losira being picked here. But, given Symbol's downright bad vZ record lately, it seems more likely that Soulkey will take him.

Sixth pick: PartinG: Curious
The teammate factor is absolutely something to consider here, but Parting and Curious are no longer on the same team, and the benefits of picking Curious may well outweigh the discomfort of picking a former teammate in Parting's mind. Parting has an insane PvZ record, he should be very confident against Curious with how well he should know Curious' style.

Seventh pick: BboongBboong: Taeja
Although BboongBboong beat a Protoss on his way to the Round of 16, his ZvT is probably still his best match-up. Bomber absolutely dominated his Ro32 group and is an unlikely pick, so this pick becomes a toss-up between Gumiho and TaeJa, with Taeja being the more attractive pick due to his recent injuries.

Eighth pick: Marineking: Gumiho
Marineking wanted nothing more than to get into MC's desired Protoss group, but in this hypothetical scenario, there's no way for him to get a Protoss opponent. What he has left is a choice between his shaky TvZ or his still very strong TvT. Unless Marineking goes insane and picks a strong ZvZer in the hope that DRG will go out alongside him, Marineking has no choice but to pick a Terran. Out of the two available Terrans in Gumiho and Innovation, Gumiho's record in combination with being demolished by Bomber in the Round of 32 should convince MKP that he's the player to pick.

Ninth pick: Gumiho: Innovation
Gumiho advanced to the Round of 16 by beating last season's champion Sniper, proving that his TvZ is nothing to joke about. His TvT is also strong as he has shown many times before, but his crushing defeat at the hands of Bomber may convince him to pick a Zerg and not a Terran to be safe. Still, I cannot help but feel that Innovation's TvT is something he'll consider a safer pick than RorO or Losira, who have both shown powerful ZvT lately.

Tenth pick: Curious: Losira
Curious will both want to avoid picking a teammate in Bomber and RorO's excellent ZvZ. Although Losira stated that he is very confident in his ZvZ skills, Curious is no slouch in the match-up and will likely be more than happy to take the Cat over Bomber and the Samsung Zerg, especially given the fact that he almost certainly knows Losira better than he does RorO.

Eleventh pick: Taeja: Bomber
Bomber was an absolute menace in the Round of 32, stomping both Gumiho and Sniper. Still, I can't help but feel that Taeja's supposedly shaky wrist situation in combination with his already weak vZ makes going for the potential TvT against Bomber a more attractive choice than playing his worst match-up against RorO who is completely confident in the match-up.

Twelfth pick: Symbol: RorO
The only remaining player at this point is RorO, which also means that Life, Soulkey and Symbol all end up in Group Z for the second season in a row.

The groups would then end up being:

Group A: (Z)DongRaeGu, (T)MarineKing, (T)GuMiho, (T)Innovation
Group B: (P)Squirtle, (Z)BBoongBBoong, (T)TaeJa, (T)Bomber
Group C: (P)MC, (P)PartinG, (Z)Curious, (Z)LosirA
Group Z: (Z)Life, (Z)Soulkey, (Z)Symbol, (Z)RorO.

Believable, or unbelievable? In any case, this is just one way the groups could turn out. The players are always wheedling and dealing during the group selections, so you never know what kind of strange arrangements may come to pass. In any case, feel free to your own mock drafts in the replies!

Writers: Waxangel and Zealously.
Graphics: Meko.
Editor: Waxangel.
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Ishu
Profile Joined January 2012
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 23:51:15
February 01 2013 23:50 GMT
#2
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
February 01 2013 23:53 GMT
#3
NO! MKP TO BE PICKED LAST

not first :<
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
LeapofFaith
Profile Joined November 2011
United States446 Posts
February 01 2013 23:59 GMT
#4
Hopefully the group Z repeats itself from last season, same winners and everything :D
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 00:11:59
February 02 2013 00:10 GMT
#5
Zealously, you read my blog post on the Ro16 Group Nomination didn't you?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 00:13:31
February 02 2013 00:13 GMT
#6
MC still living at IM house right? He should have MVP engineer a perfect group drawing for him.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
February 02 2013 00:15 GMT
#7
On February 02 2013 08:53 derpface wrote:
NO! MKP TO BE PICKED LAST

not first :<


Let's hope!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
February 02 2013 00:16 GMT
#8
An all Zerg GoD would be nice actually.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 02 2013 00:21 GMT
#9
A bit sad that Leencok didn't make it, but still, great names in this code S. Somehow I think that Protoss players are going to get far, don't know why.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
February 02 2013 00:22 GMT
#10
On February 02 2013 09:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
An all Zerg GoD would be nice actually.


Yeah so atleast 2 zerg does not advance
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
February 02 2013 00:28 GMT
#11
Is the picture of DRG on the main page a reference to The Jungle Book movie? The way DRG looks along with the quote really reminds me of Baloo XD
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 00:50:21
February 02 2013 00:31 GMT
#12
group selections are always funny. I hope john translates!!

Mock groups:

A: DRG, MKP, TaeJa, Bomber

B: Squirtle, Innovation BBoong, PartinG

C: MC, Curious, LosirA, RorO

D: Life, Gumiho, Symbol, Soulkey

your guess is as good as mine..

another very interesting part about group selections is you can find out who is considered to be really damn good among the progamers, as they know more than we do because they play against these people on ladder, on inhouse games, etc. that was so stupidly worded, but to explain my point, in GSL november (The season which Jjakji won by a "fluke"), Jjakji was actually picked last in group selection (This is back when there was ro32 group selections).
hmm... let's think about it
Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
February 02 2013 00:35 GMT
#13
haha, I had no idea about Symbol and his group selection shenanigans, it makes me like him more.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
February 02 2013 00:35 GMT
#14
I wonder what sort of pressure is on the players to live up to past promises and community desire for interesting groups. I also wonder how much influence the coaching staff has on the picks.

I can see the MVP coach telling DRG that he should simply pick BboongBboong, since the latter might pick MKP anyway. That seems smarter to me than picking MKP to start out with, but who knows. I think the group picks are more interesting if they keep the coaches out of there.
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 02 2013 00:38 GMT
#15
uh... TaeJa's worst matchup definitely isn't his TvZ...
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
February 02 2013 00:48 GMT
#16
i laughed at group Z hahaha
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
February 02 2013 00:49 GMT
#17
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HeadlessWonder
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1096 Posts
February 02 2013 00:58 GMT
#18
Great writeup. I really enjoyed reading it.
I think TaeJa's wrists might make him a really attractive early pick.
CIS Doto
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
February 02 2013 00:59 GMT
#19
On February 02 2013 09:13 stuchiu wrote:
MC still living at IM house right? He should have MVP engineer a perfect group drawing for him.


Which season was that from again? I just remember hearing about MVPs perfection and brilliance. I'd love to reread the article that was written about it (Assumingly whichever ro16 group that ended up being)
SNSDBWooger
Profile Joined March 2012
France16 Posts
February 02 2013 01:01 GMT
#20
So every zerg confident against terrran ?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 02 2013 01:05 GMT
#21
On February 02 2013 09:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 09:13 stuchiu wrote:
MC still living at IM house right? He should have MVP engineer a perfect group drawing for him.


Which season was that from again? I just remember hearing about MVPs perfection and brilliance. I'd love to reread the article that was written about it (Assumingly whichever ro16 group that ended up being)


here it is.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308029#one

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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 02 2013 01:12 GMT
#22
amazing writeup!
moo...for DRG
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
February 02 2013 01:14 GMT
#23
On February 02 2013 09:58 HeadlessWonder wrote:
Great writeup. I really enjoyed reading it.
I think TaeJa's wrists might make him a really attractive early pick.


Really? He showed pretty good games in RO32 imo
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 02 2013 01:15 GMT
#24
Mandatory DRG celebration gif to round out the recap!

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moo...for DRG
Bupalumpa
Profile Joined October 2012
Venezuela24 Posts
February 02 2013 01:15 GMT
#25
I think all 3 toss will make it to the RO8, this is going to be a fun GSL. Hope for a MC vs Bomber Final, don't care how win.
Everything changes when it find a purpose
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
February 02 2013 01:17 GMT
#26
On February 02 2013 10:05 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 09:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On February 02 2013 09:13 stuchiu wrote:
MC still living at IM house right? He should have MVP engineer a perfect group drawing for him.


Which season was that from again? I just remember hearing about MVPs perfection and brilliance. I'd love to reread the article that was written about it (Assumingly whichever ro16 group that ended up being)


here it is.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308029#one



The epithome of the Fionn Curse lol

PS: gogogogoogo DRG !!!!!
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
February 02 2013 01:19 GMT
#27
On February 02 2013 10:05 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 09:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On February 02 2013 09:13 stuchiu wrote:
MC still living at IM house right? He should have MVP engineer a perfect group drawing for him.


Which season was that from again? I just remember hearing about MVPs perfection and brilliance. I'd love to reread the article that was written about it (Assumingly whichever ro16 group that ended up being)


here it is.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308029#one


much appreciated
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
February 02 2013 01:21 GMT
#28
as much as I love LG-IM I can't help but have an immense amount of respect for Symbol. It would be great if Symbol would dominate ro16 and as each day passes by I can't help but feel that his time is coming. Symbol vs Life will be the match that I am most excited for.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
February 02 2013 01:24 GMT
#29
If MC does actually pick Parting he's a frickin idiot. Just to state the obvious...
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
February 02 2013 01:25 GMT
#30
you missed a prime opportunity to give us one last Keen/NaDa joke in the revenge factor paragraph
xAshCanaaNx
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines150 Posts
February 02 2013 01:27 GMT
#31
Zealously is a good writer
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 02 2013 01:31 GMT
#32
I know praises are hard to come by as a TL-writer, but it's the stuff that anyone who writes live for (especially if you do it for free).

Zealously, I love your writing.
Mellifluous stuff, flows like honey.
<3
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rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 01:38:52
February 02 2013 01:37 GMT
#33
On February 02 2013 09:38 kochanfe wrote:
uh... TaeJa's worst matchup definitely isn't his TvZ...

With his wrists (as they are now), it is.

T_T

Because the matchup that requires the most micro for Terran is TvZ, I don't want to play TvZ. I want to play TvT or TvP.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
February 02 2013 02:01 GMT
#34
Group Z, eh?
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Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 02:03:45
February 02 2013 02:03 GMT
#35
On February 02 2013 10:24 Evil_Sheep wrote:
If MC does actually pick Parting he's a frickin idiot. Just to state the obvious...


This. Parting and Bomber are flat out the 2 scariest people out there right now that arent initial group makers imho.
And as for MC taking PartinG? Honestly when was the last time PartinG lost PvP in a big tourney? Because my recent memory remembers him destroying Rain to win MLG tourney of champions and beating Creator to win the biggest SC2 tourney to date and become World Champion. PartinGs not unbeatable, but i just flat out dont like picking him for your OWN group; let him go to another group and be scary there.
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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 02:32:19
February 02 2013 02:18 GMT
#36
On February 02 2013 11:03 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 10:24 Evil_Sheep wrote:
If MC does actually pick Parting he's a frickin idiot. Just to state the obvious...


This. Parting and Bomber are flat out the 2 scariest people out there right now that arent initial group makers imho.
And as for MC taking PartinG? Honestly when was the last time PartinG lost PvP in a big tourney? Because my recent memory remembers him destroying Rain to win MLG tourney of champions and beating Creator to win the biggest SC2 tourney to date and become World Champion. PartinGs not unbeatable, but i just flat out dont like picking him for your OWN group; let him go to another group and be scary there.

MC - "I plan on picking a Protoss. Main reason being that I want to be recognized as the best Protoss player. Of course thing could end up backfiring on me. But then agian, that's a good thing for the opponent player." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394966

On a different note... LosirA is the only IM player of the 9 in the GSL in the ro16... Wat. Is this a new low for IM throughout the entire history of Code S? Nevermind. YoDa was the only one last season and Mvp the only one the season before...

(That and DRG is in the same boat for MVP... Only player of 9 in the GSL in the ro16...)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 02 2013 02:46 GMT
#37
not a bad preview! gj
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 02 2013 02:53 GMT
#38
If the groups turn out that way, DRG gets an easy pass to the ro8. His ZvT looked unstoppable last night.
Long live the King of Wings
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
February 02 2013 03:23 GMT
#39
Don't care. Bomber gogogogo
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
February 02 2013 03:26 GMT
#40
If that is DRGs group, ill get so happy.
#TheOneTrueDong
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
February 02 2013 03:42 GMT
#41
On February 02 2013 08:53 derpface wrote:
NO! MKP TO BE PICKED LAST

not first :<


MKP's TvZ is really, REALLY shaky.

If a Zerg doesn't pick him super quickly, I'll be very surprised.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 03:45:22
February 02 2013 03:44 GMT
#42
On February 02 2013 12:42 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 08:53 derpface wrote:
NO! MKP TO BE PICKED LAST

not first :<


MKP's TvZ is really, REALLY shaky.

If a Zerg doesn't pick him super quickly, I'll be very surprised.


He has the ability to dominate as easily as he does the ability to throw away games to questionable decisions.

Marineking especially in TvZ is always going to be a wild card. Zergs don't like to pick him. He consistently gets chosen late despite all of these predictions that people will choose him early.

TBH if he's going to be chosen early at all it'll be Life that does it. I dont see DRG choosing him at all. I think he'll go after Innovation.
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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
February 02 2013 04:02 GMT
#43
On February 02 2013 12:42 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 08:53 derpface wrote:
NO! MKP TO BE PICKED LAST

not first :<


MKP's TvZ is really, REALLY shaky.

If a Zerg doesn't pick him super quickly, I'll be very surprised.

That's funny because Roro and everyone else thought that too until MKP ro-rolled him up and smoked him

MKP not to be dismissed so lightly.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
February 02 2013 05:09 GMT
#44
Should be a fun group selection ceremony, I havent watched one since season 2 last year.
Long live the Boss Toss!
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
February 02 2013 05:25 GMT
#45
Interesting. Go Bomber!
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
February 02 2013 05:35 GMT
#46
That was a really cool bit on the group picking, thanks!
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Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
February 02 2013 05:40 GMT
#47
It all sounded so reasonable as I read it...

Didn't even last a single pick.
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Plasmid
Profile Joined December 2010
57 Posts
February 02 2013 06:00 GMT
#48
On February 02 2013 14:40 Emperor_Earth wrote:
It all sounded so reasonable as I read it...

Didn't even last a single pick.


No but all together the first 12 picks in the mock version match the first 12 picks of the real one. And I can say that confidently even before the 6th pick is known.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
February 02 2013 07:56 GMT
#49
i've seen DRG pick people he's previously stomped in groups, and he absolutely slaughtered Innovation, so i can see him picking him.

And yeh obviously terrans will pick terrans.
orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
February 02 2013 08:19 GMT
#50
so who picked who?
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 09:35:01
February 02 2013 09:11 GMT
#51
I am sorry guys, but this is getting seriously annoying!

WHEN is the bloody ceremony? Nothing in the articel, nothing on liquipedia. Why do you insist on writing about interesting things in absolute detail and then having the reader google the one really usefull information - when they are??

edit: funnily enough, google leads to TL itself with a LR thread (and it is already over).

edit2: even more funny is that the prediction was quite off, but in 3/4 groups, the last player turn out to be right
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 02 2013 10:10 GMT
#52
On February 02 2013 18:11 opisska wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I am sorry guys, but this is getting seriously annoying!

WHEN is the bloody ceremony? Nothing in the articel, nothing on liquipedia. Why do you insist on writing about interesting things in absolute detail and then having the reader google the one really usefull information - when they are??

edit: funnily enough, google leads to TL itself with a LR thread (and it is already over).

edit2: even more funny is that the prediction was quite off, but in 3/4 groups, the last player turn out to be right


The biggest problem with attempting to predict how the group selections will turn out is the fact that one strange or provocative pick early will snowball and mess up all predictions. I predicted the picks that I considered most logical based on recent statements and the form of the players, but just as I originally wrote, external factors make the Group Selections exceedingly difficult to predict.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 02 2013 11:22 GMT
#53
On February 02 2013 19:10 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 18:11 opisska wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I am sorry guys, but this is getting seriously annoying!

WHEN is the bloody ceremony? Nothing in the articel, nothing on liquipedia. Why do you insist on writing about interesting things in absolute detail and then having the reader google the one really usefull information - when they are??

edit: funnily enough, google leads to TL itself with a LR thread (and it is already over).

edit2: even more funny is that the prediction was quite off, but in 3/4 groups, the last player turn out to be right


The biggest problem with attempting to predict how the group selections will turn out is the fact that one strange or provocative pick early will snowball and mess up all predictions. I predicted the picks that I considered most logical based on recent statements and the form of the players, but just as I originally wrote, external factors make the Group Selections exceedingly difficult to predict.


Hey, nobody really expects you to predict 100% correct. I think that Fionn thought us that very well

I was rather commenting about how strangely it turned out - that you predicted the last guys right, even though they ended up being picked by different 3rd-placers. But after all, there were some pretty good predictions, such as DRG's all-T group.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
February 02 2013 15:59 GMT
#54
I am really hoping Bomber and DRG advance!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 02 2013 16:27 GMT
#55
On February 02 2013 17:19 orllyfools wrote:
so who picked who?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396491
Here's all the picks and order
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1494 Posts
February 02 2013 17:36 GMT
#56
Kind of lol'd at the fact that RorO was picked last even though he's arguably the weakest (tied with perhaps Losira or MarineKing's TvZ).
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VKCA
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada391 Posts
February 02 2013 18:16 GMT
#57
On February 02 2013 08:59 LeapofFaith wrote:
Hopefully the group Z repeats itself from last season, same winners and everything :D

lol how the hell is leenock supposed to get out of a group he's not even in?
silly silly
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 18:38:14
February 02 2013 18:36 GMT
#58
Haha, everything was so wrong except the ninth pick, which was still innovation XD.

Nevertheless, a very entertaining read. I think these are impossible to predict ^.^ who could have seen parting being second pick?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 02 2013 18:40 GMT
#59
On February 03 2013 03:36 Alryk wrote:
Haha, everything was so wrong except the ninth pick, which was still innovation XD.

Nevertheless, a very entertaining read. I think these are impossible to predict ^.^ who could have seen parting being second pick?

They got that RorO was the last player too
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JtoK
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany232 Posts
February 02 2013 19:21 GMT
#60
I think they should implement a rule that you can't pick a player you won against in Ro32. Maybe that the player who lost can vote or pick the player he lost against (if its possible and the player isn't seeded etc).
Its kinda boring seeing MC vs Curious again, but ok, will still be great games anyway.
Overall it doesnt really matter who picks who, but for me it would be more interesting.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 02 2013 19:24 GMT
#61
On February 03 2013 04:21 JtoK wrote:
I think they should implement a rule that you can't pick a player you won against in Ro32. Maybe that the player who lost can vote or pick the player he lost against (if its possible and the player isn't seeded etc).
Its kinda boring seeing MC vs Curious again, but ok, will still be great games anyway.
Overall it doesnt really matter who picks who, but for me it would be more interesting.

well if the last 2 seasons are anything to go by, when someone (DRG) picked a player they defeated in the ro32 (polt, creator) they lost the rematch in the ro16
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
February 02 2013 20:00 GMT
#62
Wow! Looks like DRG is back bringing his A-game.

Happy that Innovation won too.
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Mikantoray
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States25 Posts
February 03 2013 08:03 GMT
#63
Group Z....hehehehe
gogo!
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2013 10:41 GMT
#64
MarineKing fighting! MarineKing 2013!

You can do it!
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ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
February 04 2013 02:03 GMT
#65
Yes, DongRaeGu allowed a measly 2 - 0 victory to make him think that somehow a one of the best Terran players in the world would be a better opponent for him than two much less accomplished Terrans.


Correct yes?
ItanoCircus
Profile Joined January 2013
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 07:23:21
February 04 2013 07:21 GMT
#66
It will never happen, but a group consisting of Life, Parting, Bomber, and DonRaeGu would be amazingly fun to watch and would settle the question of "who's who" in SC2:WoL.

Parting - World Champion
Life - Possibly the best
Bomber - Terran fighting!... and MKP is slacking, so Bomber would have to pick it up... Innovation isn't really setting up an impressive stage for himself right now.
DonRaeGu - Because it's just like him to go for the gold when he's on a rise.
Better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth closed than to open it and remove all doubt.
Pockmark
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom23 Posts
February 04 2013 11:56 GMT
#67
Glad MKP has an ok ish group, think he will make Round of 8.

Other groups look nasty, was a proper high five moment when Life picked Parting. Awesome!

MKP Fighting!
War is hell. But SC2 war is ace. MKP Fighting. Fan of Innovation,Hero,DRG,Taeja,Flash,Life,JD (All Terrans to!)
tsCovert
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico31 Posts
February 05 2013 05:08 GMT
#68
Great Recaps!!! my daily dose of GSL on a quick glimpse
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SarahGibbs22
Profile Joined February 2013
United States6 Posts
February 05 2013 05:39 GMT
#69
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
February 05 2013 14:41 GMT
#70
I would really enjoy a Group Z. Gotta thin out the Zergs. I don't mean to extend the Zergbashing any longer than need be, but I really cannot watch another ZvZ. I'd rather watch PvP than ZvZ these days, and that's a sad state of affairs.

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