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[IEM] Singapore - Group Stage Preview

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November 22nd, 2012 17:34 GMT
  • .A
    Group A Preview
  • .B
    Group B Preview
  • .C
    Group C Preview
  • .D
    Group D Preview
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The Open Bracket has been played, the spots for absent players have been filled, and now we head into the group stages of IEM Singapore where the competition really begins. Like the parallel DreamHack tournament going on in Sweden, 24 players are split into four groups of six, with the top three players moving onto the elimination tournament phase.

.A
Group A

(P)mouz.HasuObs, (P)SK_MC, (Z)K3.VortiX, (Z)Tt.PiG, (Z)iM.MaFia, Yekke

Group A divides pretty easily into a top and bottom half, though there happens to be a tiny bit of room for class mobility. Obviously, you'd have to pick all-time foreign prize money winner (P)SK_MC to make it through in first, though it's not a 100% lock like it may have been before.

With MC playing poorly in and outside in Korea for the past few months, the door seems wide open for (Z)K3.VortiX to slip in and cause an upset. VortiX is coming off a quietly good WCS Global Finals performance where he finished top eight (the best among European players), and played the fearsome CreatorPrime very evenly in a 2 – 3 quarter-final loss. While he has to be worried about ZvZ, he could definitely make first place.

And then there's (P)mouz.HasuObs, who came in as a caster but ended up filling in as a player due to d.Killer's cancellation (hopefully that means a double paycheck for the unflappably consistent German). While he's in for a hard time against VortiX, he should beat the other foreign Zergs in the group, and his good PvP means 1st place isn't out of the picture if he beats MC and gets a good enough overall map differential.

After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed, but it's not as hopeless for them as for their compadres in the other groups. (Z)Tt.PiG in particular, is no stranger to upsets via ZvZ, having won WCS Australia playing only that match-up. Sadly, he couldn't continue his hot streak in the immediately following Oceania qualifiers, thus missing out on the world finals, and proving that ZvZ is a fickle mistress. There's also (Z)iM.MaFia, who did manage to get 2nd place at aforementioned WCS Oceania, though he got 0 – 2'd out of the world finals. Finally there's Yekke, who was actually pretty close to beating Zenio 2 – 1 in the open bracket.

It will be tough, but the SEA/Oceania players do have a chance if things go their way, and they manage to take advantage of ZvZ to the fullest. Perhaps HasuObs only came prepared to cast, and will be forced to use a trackball and a Wii keyboard to play due to having left his regular gear at home.

.B
Group B

(P)StarDustLight, (Z)d.Tefel, (Z)YugiOh, (Z)Xeria.KingKong, (T)WW.Sting, (Z)EnDerr

Group B is the cruelest group seen in a tournament this year. It's packed with skilled but low-profile players who would really love to make their splash on the the international scene, but they happen to be facing the triple-misfortune of 1) Having to eliminate one another in a first round group of death, 2) Playing at a horrible timezone where few people will see them, 3) Being buried totally by whatever popular players are at DreamHack.

(Z)EnDerr (aka Stellar), the WCS South East Asia champion, probably has it the worst. This was a rare chance for him to shine in an international tournament held in his region of the world, but he's been thrown to the wolves in the toughest group.

The other foreigner is (Z)d.Tefel, who raised some eyebrows as Dignitas' newest signing. However, it's a signing that makes sense as Tefel has done pretty well in online cups and qualifiers, beating out more famous players to make it to MLG Arena and this current IEM. This could have been a great debut for him on his new team, but unfortuantely he's stuck in a rough group.

Of course, there's the trio of Code B Koreans in the group as well. The former Startale player (Z)Xeria.KingKong we barely know anything about, save that our experience with Korean benchwarmers like Sleep and Daisy suggest that he's probably better than most of the foreigners at this event without ever having seen him play. (T)WW.Sting, we already know to be an excellent player, as he came in fourth place at TSL4. Sting's a pretty interesting character in that he's a fearless cheeser and a pretty good series preparer, meaning he's a championship candidate if he can make it through the group. Then there's (P)StarDustLight, a popular streamer and former KeSPA player, but not a player who's shown us anything in tournaments so far.

The King of Code A

There's one player who really stands above the rest in this group, and the King of Code A, (Z)YugiOh. While there is a 'Nestea Award' for players who have played in ten consecutive Code S seasons, true GSL fans know there really should be a 'YuGiOh Award' on top of that: awarded to players who have been in ten consecutive Code A's.

Indeed, the ex-SlayeRS player holds the dubious honor of having qualified for thirteen consecutive Code A tourneys. He's affectionately called the King of Code A, and has become something of a cult hero for being so consistently decent. YuGiOh has shown the strange quality of looking stronger whenever he's in his realm, and he even defeated MKP in Code A to show that he's the one true king of that domain. YuGiOh has actually been to Code S a few times, but each time he failed to show the kind of play let him rule Code A with an iron fist.

To the woe of many, YuGiOh had the misfortune to meet Bogus in the Ro48 last season, and was sent out of Code A for the first time in over a year. But there may be a silver lining yet as YuGiOh heads to Singapore. Having conquered one realm and ruled over it for so long, the King might be in need of a new challenge, and new subjects to subdue.

.C
Group C

(P)Ai.Tarrantius, (P)Tt.White-Ra, (Z)TSL_Revival, (Z)Liquid`Zenio, (Z)Ninja, Jabito

Group C is the one group that looks mostly 'normal,' with players evenly distributed across the skill spectrum, and the races being relatively balanced compared to the other groups.

(Z)TSL_Revival is the obvious favorite to top this group. He might be the fourth string Zerg on TSL, but he's a Code A regular and was good enough to play his way into multiple MLG events these season. At a softer event like IEM Singapore, he's an instant title contender, especially considering his excellent ZvZ skill.

The other Korean Zerg, (Z)Liquid`Zenio, comes in with a more impressive resume including multiple seasons in Code S, but he's been on a months long slide in 2012. Even though he's one of the weaker Koreans in the tournament, he is a Korean Zerg after all, which means you still have to rate him higher than the others in this group.

(Z)Ninja and Jabito come in as the underdogs, with Jabito winning our early support just because he's Terran. At the same time we're fearful for what might happen to Jabito, as he just barely made it into the groups through the open bracket qualifiers. We saw the more established pros mangle the local heroes in some pretty ugly ways during the open, and it might be best to avert your eyes.

Rounding out the group are the two European Protosses. Along with Tefel, (P)Ai.Tarrantius is the mostly unheard of European who could break out at this tournament, except that he actually gets a reasonable group unlike Tefel. And of course, there's (P)Tt.White-Ra, the benevolent deity of esports. We've mentioned this in the past, but winning and losing don't actually matter for White-Ra – it's enough that he exists. Interestingly enough, he actually has a pretty good chance to make it out of this group. While it's been a while since White-Ra fell out of the very top tier, he's still quite a good player, and a second or third place finish is very possible.

.D
Group D

(P)Grubby, (Z)Virtus.sLivko, (P)FnaticRC Oz, (T)K3.LucifroN, Blysk, (Z)ProAnnn

While Group B is the group of death, few of the viewers will really miss the players that are eliminated. Group D also has quite a few skilled players, but in contrast to Group B, there would be a lot of tears shed depending on who manages to get out, and who gets eliminated.

It all starts with (P)Grubby, one of the most popular players in StarCraft who is beginning to rival White-Ra in his capacity to be unanimously loved. Similar to his Ukrainian counterpart, he's typically one level down from being a serious title contender at most major tournaments, but the soft pool in Singapore means he has a real chance of doing well. Grubby is in a particularly interesting situation where he has a great chance of upsetting two of the biggest favorites, Oz and MC, with his good PvP, but is in danger of being upset himself in a PvZ.

Of almost equal importance to IEM from a viewership standpoint is (T)K3.LucifroN, the lone Terran player who has a credible shot at winning the championship. Alongside Grubby and White-Ra, Lucifron is the player with the most "f*** this I'm not watching anymore" potential for viewers should he drop out, thus IEM must be praying for his success. To a lesser extent you could say that about (P)FnaticRC Oz, one of the more popular and well established Korean players in the foreign scene. However, there's a near 0% chance he doesn't make it out of this group, so there's nothing to worry about.

The player who is likely to be the cause of aforementioned tears is (Z)Virtus.sLivko, an excellent Russian Zerg who has gone surprisingly unnoticed as he consistently performs well in major tournaments. An Oz, Lucifron, Slivko top-three is very much in play here, with Grubby being the odd man out. Still, getting to hear Grubby's world-class casting in the proceeding days would be a pretty good consolation...

Finally there's (Z)ProAnnn and Blysk, who don't seem any less dead than their fellow SEA players in other groups. I feel like WCS should have taught us something about tournament structures that promote even play across all regions at the cost of pure competitiveness, but I'm not entirely sure what it was.

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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
November 22 2012 17:41 GMT
#2
Sounds weird when you name something a "group of death" when in most other tournaments it'd be a group of life :/

Nice write-up though
hmm... let's think about it
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
November 22 2012 17:42 GMT
#3
With sLivko's awesome ZvP I can't see him not getting out of the group, which means either grubby, lucifron, or oz gets the axe ;;
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
November 22 2012 18:10 GMT
#4
GO ZENIO GRUBBY AND WHITE-RA!!!
Mariosatr
Profile Joined September 2012
294 Posts
November 22 2012 18:29 GMT
#5
Did you mention how Mafia also 2-0'd Lucifron in the Open Bracket?
Other than that, great preview
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ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
November 22 2012 18:54 GMT
#6
Hoping for Enderr to pull a BWC Idra
Slackzftw
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany361 Posts
November 22 2012 19:06 GMT
#7
I've seen enough PvZ at BWC.
QxGRockEr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States191 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#8
gogogo sson! Hes winning the tourny. Said it here first.
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Wawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States215 Posts
November 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#9
EnDerr will pull and IdrA. Definitely!!

GO ENDERR!!! GO JABI!!! <3
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HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
November 22 2012 19:43 GMT
#10
It's going to be so funny if HasuObs came to cast, and ended up winning the tournament =P.
Jintoss
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong117 Posts
November 22 2012 19:54 GMT
#11
so... when does the tournament happen? I really want to see how Ssonlight does^^
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EveRekanise
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore15 Posts
November 22 2012 20:05 GMT
#12
Eve.Yekke*
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 22 2012 20:15 GMT
#13
Only 3 terran...
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Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
November 22 2012 21:00 GMT
#14
IEM pretty lucky that 2 championship contending terrans qualified through the open bracket. this was about to be a boring tourney ;o
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Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
November 22 2012 22:53 GMT
#15
C'mon SEA lads! Got faith in Mafia, PiG and Ninja to do well. Yekke was impressive vs. Zenio yesterday in open bracket and really enjoyed his muta play in game 2 on Ohana. All the best boys <3
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#16
Great effort to spotlight what will be a somewhat overlooked tournament
MartinN
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain307 Posts
November 22 2012 23:29 GMT
#17
vamos españa
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
November 22 2012 23:39 GMT
#18
I wonder if nonterran players still bother to practice XvT matchups
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warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
November 23 2012 00:12 GMT
#19
ProAnnn and blysk are protosses
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 23 2012 00:21 GMT
#20
Why is it that because Hasu only came to cast, I get the feeling he's going to do very well this time?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 00:32:01
November 23 2012 00:25 GMT
#21
Light competition in this. Will be nice to see some of the very good but slightly less popular players get deep in this.

MC to take it. Or VortiX.
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iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 01:01 GMT
#22
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....
Hello friends:)
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2012 01:07 GMT
#23
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o
ChadMann
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 01:10:06
November 23 2012 01:08 GMT
#24
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


If you don't follow the scene.. Don't write a report on it
Why so much hate for SEA players?
Mafia dismantled your Euro heart throb Lucifron in the open bracket.
I hope this tournament shows some of you that SEA talent is stronger than you all think.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2012 01:13 GMT
#25
On November 23 2012 10:08 ChadMann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


If you don't follow the scene.. Don't write a report on it
Why so much hate for SEA players?
Mafia dismantled your Euro heart throb Lucifron in the open bracket.
I hope this tournament shows some of you that SEA talent is stronger than you all think.


Ok fair enough, I suggest you hope they do well and if they do you can come back to the preview thread tomorrow and say suck it waxangel, I promise It's lots of fun.
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 01:16 GMT
#26
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


I know he wouldn't it's not even about the results. It was about being professional and instead of saying "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" maybe something along the lines of "These guys are lesser known and will have a real fight on their hands to get out of this difficult group against well known international competitors" especially when it's their home server.

Sorry for coming across as shitty as i did, i'm just tired
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fenner
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United Kingdom163 Posts
November 23 2012 01:25 GMT
#27
Cheering for the SEA lads!!

Hopefully they can show how strong they are here.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2012 01:29 GMT
#28
On November 23 2012 10:16 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


I know he wouldn't it's not even about the results. It was about being professional and instead of saying "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" maybe something along the lines of "These guys are lesser known and will have a real fight on their hands to get out of this difficult group against well known international competitors" especially when it's their home server.

Sorry for coming across as shitty as i did, i'm just tired


It's okay, really ;o

perfectly valid complaint in my opinion!

wax also said this about Mvp last IEM for the open bracket preview

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360584

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


and then he won the whole thing, so if it turns out he's wrong and a SEA player wins their group just rub it in face tomorrow ;d
MatiaasS !
Profile Joined October 2011
Chile167 Posts
November 23 2012 01:29 GMT
#29
Hoping for a comeback of MC !
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Nommi
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 01:35:03
November 23 2012 01:30 GMT
#30
On November 23 2012 02:34 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
but it's not as hopeless for them as for their compadres in the other groups.

I'm sorry but that's kinda rude to label players as hopeless... I am pretty sure you can use heaps of other words to describe it without insulting players like that.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 23 2012 01:31 GMT
#31
After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed


you mean the three SEA zergs as in Mafia who 2-0'd LucifroN yesterday, got rank 1 GM on the korean server, and got insane results in every TSL4 qualifier he entered, PiG who got to the semi's in the Code A qualifiers 2 weeks ago and trained in the Prime House for a month and took down mOOnGLaDe in WCS Australia, a player who then went on to have the second best non korean run behind Naniwa at the last MLG???

Show some fucking professionalism, do your research, and stop being so ignorant to amazing players who you are too blind to realise have amazing potential to do well, especially locally.

Maybe they might get destoryed, in starcraft anything can happen. But a comment like that in your write up is just stupid, and all you accomplish is pissing off Australians who are already aware of how wrong the rest of the world is with their assumptions on our skill level.
SunsetSC2
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia148 Posts
November 23 2012 01:40 GMT
#32
Hate to add to the hate train here, but you can't say a guy who 2-0'ed Lucifron will "probably get destroyed", whether you follow the SEA scene or not. I actually think that series was a huge story, possibly the biggest of the day, and you're not giving it, or the player, the respect they deserve.

A preview thread is what it is, but lay off the huge, sweeping generalisations.
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SystemTV
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia102 Posts
November 23 2012 01:41 GMT
#33
Another amazing piece of shit written by Wax
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ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
November 23 2012 01:55 GMT
#34
You know how it is, these Americans trolololol

-1 for journalism
Blunt truth is, this a small tourney to cover for TL. There aren't any "favorites", so why bother...right? I kinda understand that in the interest of time, everyone just trawls TLPD, but come on teamliquid, we're still part of the community. That's why there's this thing called reporting. There is a real opportunity to get to know "small" SC2 scene that's better known for FXOBoss and FXOUnstable, and you guys missed it.

-1 for being the impartial arbiter
Yes, we all know Koreans destroy. I'm not gonna deny that MC will probably take this one, but I think you're missing that there could be some really great games in the SEA/local contestants. Taking shit for granted is what scores you -1.

-1000 for pissing off SEA fans
Oh well. That said, our region has more money and more potential than the flagging economy of the US. That's a fact. Trolololol
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
November 23 2012 02:00 GMT
#35
Not following the SEA players is all well and good. But openly tearing them apart on the front page of TL is pretty awful.

Very disappointed.
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Arkanthiel
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines100 Posts
November 23 2012 02:03 GMT
#36
Man, it feels really cool to see the name of my countrymen in there.

Enderr, Jabito hwaiting~!!
Los! Los Cabadrin!
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 02:07 GMT
#37
Artosis to the rescue being the professional baller he is ------> http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
Hello friends:)
fenner
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United Kingdom163 Posts
November 23 2012 02:07 GMT
#38
A much more informed blog regarding the player potential at this event from Artosis.

http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
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ChadMann
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia128 Posts
November 23 2012 02:18 GMT
#39
How this article should have looked - http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 23 2012 02:24 GMT
#40
you could learn a thing or two from this waxangel, coz right now you don't know what you're doing.

http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore

BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
November 23 2012 02:29 GMT
#41
Mafia so fucking trash he only 2-0'd lucifron in open bracket stage.

Fucking awful write up jesus christ.
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UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
November 23 2012 02:29 GMT
#42
I applaud the coverage, but I can't say I totally enjoyed the write-up. I've been hearing 'storyline' tossed around lately, as well as the lack of mid-tier player exposure. There are quite a few lines in this article that take backwards steps to achieving this, especially when discussing the regional players. I'd be really bummed if I was one of them reading this.
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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
November 23 2012 02:32 GMT
#43
its pretty obvious that waxangel is just the old bitter grandpa in the room who hates the young kids stepping on his lawn of BW elitism
Chris_CityHunter
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia310 Posts
November 23 2012 02:41 GMT
#44
I'll be cheering for all the SEA and Australian players, win, lose or draw, these guys are ballers!

roguez
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand71 Posts
November 23 2012 02:43 GMT
#45
Next time can someone who actually researches the players, their performances at the event and their results do the preview? People have already pointed out the inconsistencies and straight up bad journalism behind this.

Artosis however is a total baller, perhaps TL should get someone more like him to do this sort of shit, since Waxangel has no idea clearly.
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SenSai
Profile Joined November 2005
Australia335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 04:20:19
November 23 2012 02:55 GMT
#46
This was an absolutely disgusting write-up of IEM. Firstly it's one thing to be biased but to openly bad manner a whole regions player base (many who are attending their first international event) on the front page of TL..

Disappointed to say the least.
Waio
Profile Joined September 2010
Chile82 Posts
November 23 2012 02:56 GMT
#47
Gogogogo Grubby and White-Ra!

mGGDrGooSe
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1 Post
November 23 2012 03:13 GMT
#48
Oh please. You expected a higher quality post from TL? The only place with a worse signal-to-noise ratio is reddit. Our guys repeatedly beat Kr, NA, and Euro pros on ladder and in online tourneys. Unfortunately, SC2 fanboys only care about offline results, which will come in time. It just kinda unfortunate that IEM condone this level of sub-par writing and idiocy (https://twitter.com/IEM/status/271807020594765825). No wonder people are turning off from the major tourneys recently if this is level professionalism they scrape up.
Asrathiel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia377 Posts
November 23 2012 03:17 GMT
#49
Hmm how about Artosis' article gets a front page spot instead of this? Lovely :/
for science... you monster
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
November 23 2012 03:33 GMT
#50
On November 23 2012 05:15 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
Only 3 terran...


Yeah so much PvZ... Didn't we just have a tournament where it was all PvZ? Like last weekend?
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 03:41:57
November 23 2012 03:34 GMT
#51
The write-up is just stating the true nature of regional balance, notice how only SEA server areas are upset.
It isn't like he talks up the Koreans like they are unbeatable, MC has been identified as one of them that may under-perform.
The SEA players have no significant accomplishments that are noteworthy, especially for the TL audience that are used to the level of play like Taeja, Sea, Stephano, and DRG.

This tournament isn't even worth a write-up except for the name value of IEM, and the players have very few if any significant results. The level of play would be higher watching a low-GM on KR ladder than this IEM.

Why would anyone watch IEM over IPL?

EDIT:
On November 23 2012 12:13 mGGDrGooSe wrote:
Oh please. You expected a higher quality post from TL? The only place with a worse signal-to-noise ratio is reddit. Our guys repeatedly beat Kr, NA, and Euro pros on ladder and in online tourneys. Unfortunately, SC2 fanboys only care about offline results, which will come in time. It just kinda unfortunate that IEM condone this level of sub-par writing and idiocy (https://twitter.com/IEM/status/271807020594765825). No wonder people are turning off from the major tourneys recently if this is level professionalism they scrape up.


SEA players consistently beating tier 1 Koreans?
Offline tournaments mean less than online tournaments?

Great logic there.
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
November 23 2012 03:36 GMT
#52
i wonder how the casters' gonna introduce jabito..
Not even death can save you from me.
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore846 Posts
November 23 2012 03:54 GMT
#53
yea agree with everyone here

artosis wrote a much more informed piece because he actually knows the players hes talking about. He doesn't generalise them into one lump of bad players even for the players he doesnt know yet (e.g yekke). please spotlight that article instead.

http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
sc2sea.com - The SEA / ANZ community
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
November 23 2012 03:57 GMT
#54
wtf this write up?????
Not even death can save you from me.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
November 23 2012 04:07 GMT
#55
Jesus guys, calm down. I'm the guy who wrote the whole "AUSTRALIANS ARE GOING TO FUCKING KICK ASS AT MLG" thread and I think we're all jumping the gun a bit. I find it heartwarming that SEA sticks up for itself like this but some of the things being said are just silly.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
SunsetSC2
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 04:20:28
November 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#56
On November 23 2012 12:34 Cattlecruiser wrote:
The SEA players have no significant accomplishments that are noteworthy, especially for the TL audience that are used to the level of play like Taeja, Sea, Stephano, and DRG.


So Mafia 2-0'ing Lucifron in the open bracket, a player who Waxangel cites as the lone Terran hope, is not an accomplishment?

Pig reaching the semis of Code A qualifiers isn't an accomplishment?

Is that enough for the "TL audience"?
Or is this you and the author being severely uninformed?
*pew* *laser shield* || @Sunset_SC2
TL+ Member
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
November 23 2012 04:31 GMT
#57
On November 23 2012 13:18 SunsetSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 12:34 Cattlecruiser wrote:
The SEA players have no significant accomplishments that are noteworthy, especially for the TL audience that are used to the level of play like Taeja, Sea, Stephano, and DRG.


So Mafia 2-0'ing Lucifron in the open bracket, a player who Waxangel cites as the lone Terran hope, is not an accomplishment?

Pig reaching the semis of Code A qualifiers isn't an accomplishment?

Is that enough for the "TL audience"?
Or is this you and the author being severely uninformed?


1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.

2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.

Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol

There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders.
SunsetSC2
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia148 Posts
November 23 2012 04:38 GMT
#58
On November 23 2012 13:31 Cattlecruiser wrote:
1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.

2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.

Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol

There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders.


Keep up the tone, mate. It's doing wonders for your cause.

It's about the double standard in the article. You can't call the person who 2-0'ed the "Terran hope" in this tournament a no-hoper. It doesn't make sense. It's like the open bracket results weren't taken into consideration in the preview article for the group stage, which makes no sense.

Mafia also held KR GM Rank 1 for awhile, you impressed yet?

These aren't bottom-feeders. If that's what you call a bottom-feeder, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the article wasn't well researched.
*pew* *laser shield* || @Sunset_SC2
TL+ Member
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 23 2012 05:02 GMT
#59
It would be nice if SEA players were hyped a bit for their home tourney.

But that wasnt waxangels intention. He just did a normal preview like he always does. Thats perfectly in his rights. I personally think as well that no SEA player is specially favored to advance in their group (though I except 1-2 to upset).

SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never performed well internationally, so waxangels predictions are not too far off. At last years IEM for SEA, PIG and iaguz both didnt win a single game. At BWC Mafia went 0-4. At MLG, only moonglade made a splash. There is the occasional success story (Mafia beating Lucifron), and there is definite hope for another, probably bigger one.

waxangel is totally not BM vs SEA in his article, more so comments from players like iaguz and deth, which is really disappointing to see.
Meko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States129 Posts
November 23 2012 05:02 GMT
#60
Goodness, quite a thrashing going on in this article. O.o
Graphics
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
November 23 2012 05:10 GMT
#61
On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote:
SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never attended internationally

Fixed that for you!
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iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 05:12 GMT
#62
On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote:
It would be nice if SEA players were hyped a bit for their home tourney.

But that wasnt waxangels intention. He just did a normal preview like he always does. Thats perfectly in his rights. I personally think as well that no SEA player is specially favored to advance in their group (though I except 1-2 to upset).

SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never performed well internationally, so waxangels predictions are not too far off. At last years IEM for SEA, PIG and iaguz both didnt win a single game. At BWC Mafia went 0-4. At MLG, only moonglade made a splash. There is the occasional success story (Mafia beating Lucifron), and there is definite hope for another, probably bigger one.

waxangel is totally not BM vs SEA in his article, more so comments from players like iaguz and deth, which is really disappointing to see.


Some people over-reacted for sure but to say Wax was not rude to the entire SEA scene is pretty stupid.

PiG 2-1 VortiX in other news
Hello friends:)
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 23 2012 05:17 GMT
#63
Pig 2-1 VortiX coz hes a SEA zerg who will "probably get destroyed."

Take that to your backface!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 23 2012 05:20 GMT
#64
good lord calm the hell down aussies

SEA wins are upsets and you know it, be optimistic but realistic
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
November 23 2012 05:20 GMT
#65
On November 23 2012 13:38 SunsetSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 13:31 Cattlecruiser wrote:
1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.

2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.

Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol

There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders.


Keep up the tone, mate. It's doing wonders for your cause.

It's about the double standard in the article. You can't call the person who 2-0'ed the "Terran hope" in this tournament a no-hoper. It doesn't make sense. It's like the open bracket results weren't taken into consideration in the preview article for the group stage, which makes no sense.

Mafia also held KR GM Rank 1 for awhile, you impressed yet?

These aren't bottom-feeders. If that's what you call a bottom-feeder, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the article wasn't well researched.


GM Rank 1 in Korea? Was this the midnight after GM unlocked? LMFAO
I'm surprised he didn't win a GSL already... Oh wait, he can't even qualify for Code A?
Get real chief.

You can easily call one of three terrans the "Terran Hope". It indicates the sparsity of Terrans in the tournament rather than the legitimacy of the player winning.
Also a single match set doesn't make a player favored over the other.

If you don't call players that can't make Code A bottom feeders, who do you call bottom feeders?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 23 2012 05:22 GMT
#66
A weak lineup, and yet I feel confident that this will be a fun event to watch...

GL White-Ra!! ^_^
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 05:34:27
November 23 2012 05:22 GMT
#67
On November 23 2012 14:10 Dox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote:
SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never attended internationally

Fixed that for you!


Thats certainly true as well, that why I especially mentioned the cases when they attended (and didnt do well).

On November 23 2012 14:12 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote:
It would be nice if SEA players were hyped a bit for their home tourney.

But that wasnt waxangels intention. He just did a normal preview like he always does. Thats perfectly in his rights. I personally think as well that no SEA player is specially favored to advance in their group (though I except 1-2 to upset).

SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never performed well internationally, so waxangels predictions are not too far off. At last years IEM for SEA, PIG and iaguz both didnt win a single game. At BWC Mafia went 0-4. At MLG, only moonglade made a splash. There is the occasional success story (Mafia beating Lucifron), and there is definite hope for another, probably bigger one.

waxangel is totally not BM vs SEA in his article, more so comments from players like iaguz and deth, which is really disappointing to see.


Some people over-reacted for sure but to say Wax was not rude to the entire SEA scene is pretty stupid.

PiG 2-1 VortiX in other news


Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below)

On November 23 2012 14:17 Champi wrote:
Pig 2-1 VortiX coz hes a SEA zerg who will "probably get destroyed."

Take that to your backface!


Wax also said this: "It will be tough, but the SEA/Oceania players do have a chance if things go their way, and they manage to take advantage of ZvZ to the fullest."

He wasnt betting on them, but he exactly mentioned that possibility.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
November 23 2012 05:27 GMT
#68
On November 23 2012 14:20 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 13:38 SunsetSC2 wrote:
On November 23 2012 13:31 Cattlecruiser wrote:
1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.

2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.

Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol

There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders.


Keep up the tone, mate. It's doing wonders for your cause.

It's about the double standard in the article. You can't call the person who 2-0'ed the "Terran hope" in this tournament a no-hoper. It doesn't make sense. It's like the open bracket results weren't taken into consideration in the preview article for the group stage, which makes no sense.

Mafia also held KR GM Rank 1 for awhile, you impressed yet?

These aren't bottom-feeders. If that's what you call a bottom-feeder, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the article wasn't well researched.


If you don't call players that can't make Code A bottom feeders, who do you call bottom feeders?

I'd call like...Spanishiwa, MaddeLisk, Levin, etc bottom feeders. Even that might be a bit too harsh.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
November 23 2012 05:35 GMT
#69
On November 23 2012 14:20 Cattlecruiser wrote:
GM Rank 1 in Korea? Was this the midnight after GM unlocked? LMFAO
I'm surprised he didn't win a GSL already... Oh wait, he can't even qualify for Code A?
Get real chief.

You can easily call one of three terrans the "Terran Hope". It indicates the sparsity of Terrans in the tournament rather than the legitimacy of the player winning. Also a single match set doesn't make a player favored over the other.

If you don't call players that can't make Code A bottom feeders, who do you call bottom feeders?


Isn't this the exact attitude we are trying to stamp out. Even Carmac himself said he wants better player exposure and more people than those select few at the very top to get their names out there. It doesn't matter who's better, it's about the support. It's about the storyline, but you only want the same premium names in the spotlight. It's about creating interest in the community, but you continue to downplay the regional players and create zero interest or hype for them.

There are a LOT of people from the region watching and supporting IEM Singapore. We are here through thick and thin - however it hurts and get's really depressing when people outside our region keep stereotyping our players and keep driving that tired old stigma on and on. How do you think the players feel?

Personally I would have liked to hear more about the WCS Singapore runner up Yekke, who narrowly lost to Zenio in the open bracket. I thought he played really well, but no one cares and because he gets no mention, tomorrow he will be forgotten.

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Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 05:42:59
November 23 2012 05:39 GMT
#70
On November 23 2012 14:22 00Visor wrote:
Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below)

I think the closing statement was the one that rubbed most people the wrong way -

I feel like WCS should have taught us something about tournament structures that promote even play across all regions at the cost of pure competitiveness, but I'm not entirely sure what it was.

He's effectively saying, "The tournament is going to be bad because IEM allows SEA players to compete."

EDIT: I'd just like to re-iterate that we're not oblivious to where we stand among the rest of the world. We're not delusional in thinking our players are championship material, but we're not the bottom of the barrel either. We just want to be treated and included as equals. Americans and Europeans don't suffer from the stigma we do.

For us, skill and accomplishments are irrelevant. People are quick to dismiss us because of our geographic location. It's exhausting.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 23 2012 05:46 GMT
#71
On November 23 2012 14:39 Dox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 14:22 00Visor wrote:
Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below)

I think the closing statement was the one that rubbed most people the wrong way -

Show nested quote +
I feel like WCS should have taught us something about tournament structures that promote even play across all regions at the cost of pure competitiveness, but I'm not entirely sure what it was.

He's effectively saying, "The tournament is going to be bad because IEM allows SEA players to compete."

EDIT: I'd just like to re-iterate that we're not oblivious to where we stand among the rest of the world. We're not delusional in thinking our players are championship material, but we're not the bottom of the barrel either. We just want to be treated and included as equals. Americans and Europeans don't suffer from the stigma we do.

For us, skill and accomplishments are irrelevant. People are quick to dismiss us because of our geographic location. It's exhausting.

That's because there's a competitive difference between the regions, and always has been. There are a handful of SEA players who can make an international showing, but they don't have the results to sway opinions (compared to how Sen does for Taiwan).
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 23 2012 05:52 GMT
#72
On November 23 2012 14:39 Dox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 14:22 00Visor wrote:
Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below)

I think the closing statement was the one that rubbed most people the wrong way -


Ok, thx. The closing statement can really be interpreted badly, but its also pretty weird.
At WCS we had 5 different regions in the quarterfinals, some suprises like Killer and Suppy, so that does advertise seeds for all regions.
Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
November 23 2012 06:27 GMT
#73
Go enderr!!! this guy is the chuck norris of starcraft in our country!
You can take the lion out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the lion
Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
November 23 2012 06:42 GMT
#74
On November 23 2012 11:03 Arkanthiel wrote:
Man, it feels really cool to see the name of my countrymen in there.

Enderr, Jabito hwaiting~!!



yeah me too! If these guys or other SEA players manage to sneak their way into winning this whole thing.. that would be like:
awwwwwww yeahhhh!!!

other guys sorry, we philipinos are really an optimistic and happy people ^_^
You can take the lion out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the lion
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
November 23 2012 07:57 GMT
#75
So many zerg.
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
ILOVEWAR
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands104 Posts
November 23 2012 08:11 GMT
#76
.... Grubby is going hardcore...

He just flew back form Shanghai to Amsterdam and now he is AGAIN in asia?
If you dont like war, go play tetris...
Supter
Profile Joined February 2011
France382 Posts
November 23 2012 09:08 GMT
#77
So, as expected, PiG and Mafia are out.
But hey, they may pass the group play of a major tournament someday.

I don't want to be rude, but you SEA spectators are always so butthurt when it comes to your players. They are quite good, but no, MaFia doesn't worth VortiX. Stop with that.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 09:41:38
November 23 2012 09:18 GMT
#78
On November 23 2012 17:11 ILOVEWAR wrote:
.... Grubby is going hardcore...

He just flew back form Shanghai to Amsterdam and now he is AGAIN in asia?


Pretty sure he rescued a cat or two from trees too on the way, 'cause that's how the e-sports hero rolls!!! Jokes aside I really hope he can show his real level this time, without food poisoning, because he prepared a lot in the past weeks.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
November 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#79
On November 23 2012 18:08 Supter wrote:
So, as expected, PiG and Mafia are out.
But hey, they may pass the group play of a major tournament someday.

I don't want to be rude, but you SEA spectators are always so butthurt when it comes to your players. They are quite good, but no, MaFia doesn't worth VortiX. Stop with that.


European spectators are the same when their players are insulted. Everyone has their own sense of pride just let it be =D! its fun to cheer on shit enjoy the games hombres
troi oi thang map nai!!!
MLuneth
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia557 Posts
November 23 2012 10:10 GMT
#80
Tbh, this is pretty disappointing, especially that it is clear that Wax didn't even look at the open qualifiers when writing this. Wax, if you ever can't be bothered doing any research instead of just saying that SEA players are trash make a post on + Show Spoiler +
http://www.sc2sea.com
and someone will happily tell all you need to know about the player.
Innovation is a PatchTerran
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
November 23 2012 12:09 GMT
#81
On November 23 2012 18:08 Supter wrote:
So, as expected, PiG and Mafia are out.
But hey, they may pass the group play of a major tournament someday.

I don't want to be rude, but you SEA spectators are always so butthurt when it comes to your players. They are quite good, but no, MaFia doesn't worth VortiX. Stop with that.

Wonderful attitude you have there.
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
November 23 2012 12:18 GMT
#82
Well, Ninja makes it through his group stage. A SEA player made it to bracket play. Unlike Mafia, Yekke and PiG you didn't even say "They may cause an upset" for Ninja.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Bashnek
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia895 Posts
November 23 2012 12:43 GMT
#83
I'm glad a writeup happened, im disappointed in everything about it.

Theres telling people who they can expect to win, and then theres shitting on players, this whole thing was just amateur.
/人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕人\
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 23 2012 12:49 GMT
#84
YEKKE <33
POGGERS
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33397 Posts
November 23 2012 13:10 GMT
#85
It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
November 23 2012 13:26 GMT
#86
On November 23 2012 22:10 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.

Koreans smash everyone no matter what region, what exactly makes Americans any worse?
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
November 23 2012 16:08 GMT
#87
On November 23 2012 22:10 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.


Sorry, but SEA server is too tightly-knitted for this to happen.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 23 2012 16:51 GMT
#88
On November 23 2012 21:18 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Well, Ninja makes it through his group stage. A SEA player made it to bracket play. Unlike Mafia, Yekke and PiG you didn't even say "They may cause an upset" for Ninja.

Ninja's a lot less known than the others. I wouldn't have given him a fraction of the chance Mafia or PiG had.

Stop looking for excuses to bitch - you don't reflect well on SEA at all.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 18:02:15
November 23 2012 18:02 GMT
#89
whiteeeerrrrraaa!!!!!!! kekekekeke :D

edit: zomg im so pumped
My religion is Starcraft
HuTSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia188 Posts
November 23 2012 23:47 GMT
#90
What a god-awful writeup.

This has the same post quality as half the shit in the strategy section.
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
November 24 2012 00:21 GMT
#91
On November 23 2012 22:10 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.


even if you are jaded and cynical it is your job to put that aside, if not for esports then for some quality journalism at the very least.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 24 2012 01:20 GMT
#92
On November 24 2012 08:47 HuTSC2 wrote:
What a god-awful writeup.

This has the same post quality as half the shit in the strategy section.


Honestly I thought it was pretty good except for the part about the SEA players and I'm usually very critical of wax, he predicted they would lose and they did lose except for one of them who was placed in the weakest group. I know you guys are defensive about your players but what he predicted pretty much happened, in that sense It's more accurate than saying they had a good chance and being wrong.
sunglasseson
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States145 Posts
November 25 2012 10:52 GMT
#93
its annoying that grubbys games were easily some of the most enjoyable games i have seen in the entire WOL expansion but yet a 3k check is awarded to him.

wish they would up the prize pool a bit. the mans games were ALLLLLLLLLLLL good to watch not just a few
BBoyXELAnt
Profile Joined August 2012
United States22 Posts
November 27 2012 18:40 GMT
#94
Surprised there are only two Terrans; is it normally this way?
My favorite part about Starcraft 2 is ctrl click Supply Depots + R. They all go down at once :D
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