Wiped Out – mouz.MaNa and mionix.NaNiwa eliminated, leaving no foreigners in the GSL for the first time.
There have been plenty of jokes about the word "Global" in Global StarCraft League for a long time, but much of the humor went out of it on Tuesday night. MaNa and NaNiwa, the last remaining non-Korean players in the GSL, were eliminated from Code A by Korean players FXOasd and STX_Mini. As a result, for the first time since the GSL ceased to be an open tournament and required qualifiers instead, there are zero non-Korean players left in the GSL.
MaNa looked to be off to a good start, defeating asd in his first game on Antiga Shipyard with solid macro play, building up a strong three-base foundation and shredding his opponent with zealots and storms. However, in an unexpected blast from the past, it was the infamous 1/1/1 that got the last laugh. asd utilized the one-base all-in twice in a row, taking games two and three to eliminate the Polish Protoss from the competition.
Fellow foreigner NaNiwa couldn't avoid the same fate, falling 0 – 2 to KeSPA Protoss Mini. While NaNiwa had profited greatly from PvP during his two quarter-final runs in Code S, it failed him when the situation was most dire. He failed to break Mini with an immortal heavy attack in the first game, while he was crushed in a near-max late-game colossus war in the second.
In the past, a combination of generous foreigner seeding and a relatively forgiving relegation/promotion system allowed at least one foreigner to survive in the GSL at all times. Now, looking ahead to GSL Season Five, there's a real chance it will be an all-Korean tournament unless the GSL decides to practice its brand of seed-giving welfare once more.
– KT_Flash defeats MVP.SangHo as KeSPA and non-KeSPA players split series 3 – 3
As expected, Flash defeated Killer to make it past the first round. However, it wasn't the drubbing many expected, considering one player's nickname is 'God,' while the other recently re-joined a Korean team because he had allowed his skill level to fall drastically.
In games one and three, everything went the way Flash wanted, allowing him to repeat a victory pattern from previous games. His Protoss opponent eschewed storm to go for colossi heavy compositions, allowing Flash to win in a fairly simple manner, using his impeccable macro and ideal army compositions to almost a-move his opponent to death.
However, things didn't go well at all in the middle game, where one base openers (an immortal-gateway attack from Killer, and a 1/1/1-esque build from Flash) cancelled each other out and left both players left transitioning awkwardly into the mid-game. Killer ended up getting the better of the situation, using a DT switch to do a large amount of damage to Flash as he tried to move out from his two bases. Flash ended up committing to an all-or-nothing attack, one which Killer was able to clean up easily with gateway units to take the game.
While Flash's ability to take build order leads and macro with near perfection has been very impressive so far, his series against Killer will leave some fans wondering how he will fare against more elite Protoss opposition when he's not allowed to play his game.
In other KeSPA vs ESF news, the split was even at 3 - 3. While Flash and Mini won as mentioned above, MaruPrime defeated EffOrt as the CJ Zerg tried to all-in three times in a row. Effort succeeded once and failed twice, falling out of the tournament. Maru deserved much credit for his inspired defensive action, displaying some incredible micromanagement to hold off attacks while going for greedy builds.
STX_Last and TSL_Shine fought a very close series against each other, highlighted by a fantastic first game on Whirlwind where Shine barely beat out Last's Mvp-mech style with brood lords. At the end of the day, the TSL Zerg defeated the OSL quarter-finalist 2 – 1, but on the strength of the gameplay from both players, it was no shame for Last to be eliminated so early in the GSL.
As expected, aLive defeated the relatively unknown by.hero from Team Eight (the third 'hero' so far) 2 – 0. aLive had it both ways, crushing his opponent with a cheesy two-rax bunker rush in the first game, and 'spooned' his opponent to death with Mvp-mech in the second.
No Star Hoseo – Jjakji eliminated from Code A, leaving no NS HoSeo players in the GSL
Foreigners weren't the only faction eliminated from the GSL. Former GSL champion and NSH ace jjakji was dumped from the GSL in unceremonious faction, losing to KeSPA Player sOs (aka sHy) 0 – 2. While Jjakji had fallen considerably since his championship winning prime, his TvP was shown to be quite strong in recent tournaments, making it a particularly surprising loss.
The first game on Antiga Shipyard saw sOs get ahead with good blink stalker harass after his fast expansion, after which Jjakji opted to do a massive all-in in the mid-game, pulling a huge number of SCVs to go attack with his medivacs and infantry. Jjakji came close to breaking his opponent's defensive line, but sOs was able to hold out by a narrow margin. In the second game, sOs killed off NSH's hope in a particularly cruel and anti-climatic fashion, using a 4-gate + warp prism all-in to end the series.
Hmmm... The famously awful PvT player JYP (35% winrate), a player who has never made it to the Ro8 in the GSL, going up against four-time champion Mvp, who happened to win his most recent championship by beating only Protoss players from the Ro8 onward. The conclusion is so obvious, it's downright suspicious. Just to make sure nothing is wrong here, we'll go over the reasons Mvp might lose as an exercise.
As we've always said before, even when JYP had a PvT win rate in the 10 percent range, his actual PvT was never that bad. Maybe it was below average, but you just can't become a progamer with a 10% win rate in a match-up. More than his actual skill, it was a mental block keeping him down when he played PvT in the GSL booth, causing a self-reinforcing cycle of self-doubt and second-guessing that made him blow leads and collapse in spectacular fashion.
With a few weeks off playing PvT, JYP managed to cast his mental shackles off as he started GSL Season Three, showing confidence and playing some pretty good games. He's 9 – 3 since July, taking down opponents like FnaticRCRain (a 'should-win'), ThorZaIN (decent win), Hack (impressive), and SuperNoVa (also impressive). From fending off deadly all-ins to playing late macro games, JYP actually looked like a solid TvP player these past months, as unbelievable as it might be for long time followers.
On the other hand, Mvp's TvP has been going in the opposite direction since GSL Season Three. After his miraculous win against Squirtle in the Season Two finals, he's lost to Genius, Oz, Flying, and PartinG for a 0 – 5 record in Korea. He has been pretty good abroad, going 4 – 0 against Grubby and Feast at IEM Cologne, but I doubt those two would be insulted if I said the aforementioned Korean Protosses are better players.
Early game attacks have been particularly troublesome for Mvp, as various one and two base attacks have taken him out before he's been able to execute his game plan. If JYP has picked up on this – how could he not have, with almost two weeks to prepare for this match? – he could be the next Protoss to take an easy win off Mvp.
Well, I guess if we put it like that, a JYP upset really is a possibility, as unlikely as it would have seemed three months ago.
To no one's surprise, Curious (who has the distinct honor of having the only non-acronym ID in the group) and MKP have made it into the Ro16. Curious is probably the best textbook Zerg player in Korea, while MKP might be the most mechanically gifted pro-gamer in the entire world. They are players you'd expect to be making it into the semi-finals and challenging for championships, but somehow in the GSL, they find the Ro16 to be a barrier that's as impenetrable as Code B is for foreigners.
It's particularly shocking in MKP's case, as he failed to make it past the Ro16 even when he was winning MLGs left and right earlier this year, becoming the consensus #1 player in the world. For him, we're willing to put it down to variance or bad luck. Getting stopped before the Ro8 three seasons in a row? An improbable sequence for MKP, but nothing you can draw any conclusions from. If he gets stopped again this season, then maybe there's something worth talking about.
As for Curious, we're almost certain it's mental hurdles that have kept him from passing the Ro16. When he had his first big breakout, he utterly destroyed Code A (in the past, a tournament that actually had its own champion) with an incredible 13 – 0 run to get directly into Code S. However, once Curious reached Code S, he just looked like a different player, independent from the higher quality of opponents. The game sense, the decision making, and the attention to detail that made Curious look completely on top of things at all times in Code A were nowhere to be seen. Even then, he played well enough to stay afloat in Code S, coasting along for five consecutive seasons despite not playing up to his potential.
There's a chance that this could be Curious' second break-out season, where he goes from Code S regular, to someone who's regularly in the championship picture. In interviews, he's said he's made a lot of progress in getting over his nervousness when playing in Code S, and it showed in a fantastic Ro32 performance where he crushed MC and MKP with great play. Perhaps the problem was that he was taking things a little too seriously before, consciously stifling all emotion and earning himself the name "Poker Face." At the Ro16 group ceremony he was the most jovial of all the players gathered, cracking jokes and maintaining big banana grin.
MKP and Curious already faced off once before in the Ro16, where Curious won the series 2 – 1. The games Curious won were your typical infestor backed hive-tech streamrolls, while MKP won a game with strong mech play on Entombed Valley. After the games, Curious was nonplussed about the loss to mech, saying that he just guessed wrong and suffered a loss as a result. If that's really all there was too it, he better hope he doesn't guess wrong twice this time.
This should be an extremely close series, but I'm giving it to Curious here. Typically I pick conservatively, not giving a player credit until he's proven he can win at least once at a given level of a tournament. However, MKP seems to be running in place for the last few months, while Curious' recent play has been convincing enough for me to believe he's over his nerve issues and ready to take it to the next level.
Prediction: Curious 2 – 1 MKP.
Winners Match and Onward
Given that PvZ is his best match-up, beating Curious twice would have been JYP's best chance to get through. Unfortunately for him, that's an impossible scenario, and he will have to defeat at least one Terran player to get through. In a way, it sets up a nice personal challenge scenario for JYP: Overcome his weakest match-up once and for all, and he'll be rewarded with passage into his first GSL Ro8. On the flip side, there would be no more cruel scenario than for JYP to defeat a Terran, and still get eliminated from this group.
MKP would be more than happy to flex his TvP muscles against JYP, but you have to wonder how he feels about going up against Mvp. To put it bluntly, Mvp's been the player who has single-handedly crushed more of MKP's hopes and dreams than all other players combined, defeating him in two GSL grand-finals and eliminating him from a few other tournaments just for kicks. However, it's been ages since they last played against each other, and MKP has grown a lot since then. Should they meet again, we'll see if MKP has fear in his heart, or vengeance.
Curious, well... He could be the best player in this group if he can play up to his potential. He has nothing to fear from Mvp, unless he pulls some new game-changing style of play out of his a** after ruining Zerg lives everywhere by introducing his banshee-mech to the world at IEM Cologne. Knowing Mvp, it's a possibility. JYP is deadly at all phases of PvZ, and might actually be the toughest opponent Curious has to face, but he'll be 50/50 against him at worst.
As for Mvp, he's Mvp. You have to believe he's always a title contender in the GSL. His run through Code S Season Two to win the championship, when none of his performances for the months prior suggested that it was even a possibility, tells us that "knowing how to win" is the most powerful attribute a player could want. He might have gone out in the Ro16 last season, but that doesn't stop him from being yet again, one of the most dangerous players in the tournament.
And so I shed a tear for Jjakji and New Star Hoseo.
If I really wanted to depress myself, I would go and have a comprehensive look at my post history to figure out just how many of my posts have started out or contained the phrase 'Poor Jjakji'...
Think the group depends on MVP vs MarineKing losers match (yes, JYP will beat MVP). Curious will 4-0 the group, if MVP wins losers match, JYP will go through. If MarineKing wins, MarineKing will go through.
Also, I hate using acronyms for players that have good nicknames. It's as easy to say MarineKing or DongRaeGu as MKP and DRG (MKP is especially stupid since he's the only player that gets his teamname mentioned with him all the time).
*edit* Second part was regarding "(who has the distinct honor of having the only non-acronym ID in the group) ".
Now, looking ahead to GSL Season Five, there's a real chance it will be an all-Korean tournament unless the GSL decides to practice its brand of seed-giving welfare once more.
Gogo Curious . . . it's about time he freakin broke out and showed his true potential. He definitely has what it takes to make the ro4 at the very least. I hope we see some great play and I hope you're right Waxangel! I need MVP and Curious to go out. Please =)
Oh man I feel like I agree with your predictions 100% but I want MKP to beat Mvp so bad T_T I think Curious or Life will be the next zerg champ so I think Curious will win the group as well if Curious can get his shit together in Code S
I can't see Mvp losing to Curious at the moment, but I definitely see Curious making it out. Sad, though, I want MKP to make it out of this group too. TT Looks like a crazy sick group.
Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
On September 26 2012 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
I reckon I could do it, as long as tomorrow = September 27 (-:
On September 26 2012 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
I reckon I could do it, as long as tomorrow = September 27 (-:
Tomorrow as in 7 hours and 40 minutes from now.
If I end up staying up for GSL/OSL tonight I will make the thread but It's pretty unlikely I will be able to stay awake.
On September 26 2012 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
I reckon I could do it, as long as tomorrow = September 27 (-:
Tomorrow as in 7 hours and 40 minutes from now.
If I end up staying up for GSL/OSL tonight I will make the thread but It's pretty unlikely I will be able to stay awake.
I should be able to do this tonight, I shall put my hand up and create the thread (-:
On September 26 2012 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
I reckon I could do it, as long as tomorrow = September 27 (-:
Tomorrow as in 7 hours and 40 minutes from now.
If I end up staying up for GSL/OSL tonight I will make the thread but It's pretty unlikely I will be able to stay awake.
I should be able to do this tonight, I shall put my hand up and create the thread (-:
On September 26 2012 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
I reckon I could do it, as long as tomorrow = September 27 (-:
Tomorrow as in 7 hours and 40 minutes from now.
If I end up staying up for GSL/OSL tonight I will make the thread but It's pretty unlikely I will be able to stay awake.
I should be able to do this tonight, I shall put my hand up and create the thread (-:
Thank you very much!
'tis my pleasure. I'll need someone to collate the K-pop on tonight though, I won't be able to hit the stream before the actual matches start )-:
On September 26 2012 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Posting it here too since no one has made a thread for tomorrow yet
Hello everyone, I believe opterown posted earlier in the LR thread that he's looking for someone handle the OP of the LR for him tomorrow since his internet was capped by his service provider. Normally I would go ahead and do it like I have been for him for Code A but I have a class, a presentation, and a paper due during the broadcast tomorrow morning, so there's no way I can be in charge of the OP. It's pretty simple. Opterown has created a SC2 LR Resources thread with premade OPs. Tomorrow/Today's is already created http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=8#156 All you have to do is bold the name of the winner, add in the maps when they're picked, and post the Recommend polls. It's pretty simple. If anyone could go ahead and make it, that would be great. Otherwise, we might be scrambling for a thread or might not even have one, and it's a pretty ridiculous group tomorrow! Thanks to the person that steps up and creates the thread!
I reckon I could do it, as long as tomorrow = September 27 (-:
Tomorrow as in 7 hours and 40 minutes from now.
If I end up staying up for GSL/OSL tonight I will make the thread but It's pretty unlikely I will be able to stay awake.
I should be able to do this tonight, I shall put my hand up and create the thread (-:
Thank you very much!
'tis my pleasure. I'll need someone to collate the K-pop on tonight though, I won't be able to hit the stream before the actual matches start )-:
Dasende will post all the youtube videos in the thread most likely
I desperately hope that Mvp will totally crush his group! YOU CAN DO IT MVP, I BELIEVE IN YOU!
I hope no one dares to root for anyone other than The King for his or her own sake, because Mvp is about to roll on through to the Ro8 and destroy all the doubters.
Sorry guys. Curious won't win a single set in a group like this. Unless vs jyp. JYP always seems to be held back by formidable s class players as well as jyp. I don't see them breaking the curse just because mvp and mkp seem to be less than immortal.
On September 26 2012 11:36 alphakennybody wrote: Sorry guys. Curious won't win a single set in a group like this. Unless vs jyp. JYP always seems to be held back by formidable s class players as well as jyp. I don't see them breaking the curse just because mvp and mkp seem to be less than immortal.
MarineKing has just as much of a curse as them. He hasn't made it past the ro16 in GSL since the Super Tournament.
Even though Mvp said he's in the worst condition possible right now in a recent interview, if he makes it through to Ro8 this season, he'll surely win another GSL.
Now, looking ahead to GSL Season Five, there's a real chance it will be an all-Korean tournament unless the GSL decides to practice its brand of seed-giving welfare once more.
well, we already know stephano's taking a slot
is he? he has had a slot offered for 3 season and always declines. Has he had a change of heart?
I would like to see Lucifron, Vortix, MajOr, and Nerchio qualify for code A. Maybe one day
Really hoping MKP makes it through, his matches are always so entertaining and hes one of the very few with a style completely different from other players. But as things stand I'd have to agree that MVP and Curious get through, MKP really didnt impress in the RO32.
On September 26 2012 11:36 alphakennybody wrote: Sorry guys. Curious won't win a single set in a group like this. Unless vs jyp. JYP always seems to be held back by formidable s class players as well as jyp. I don't see them breaking the curse just because mvp and mkp seem to be less than immortal.
lol what are you talking, JYP is probably the hardest player curious will have to face........ he should defeat mkp and mvp....
With how well Curious is playing at the moment and with his new found confidence i picking him top the group and then its a toss up between MKP and MVP and going off recent perfomances i think that MKP might have it in the bag. But who knows it is MVP after all the only guy in the world who has the "know how to win" factor.
MVP>JYP Curious>MKP Curious>MVP MKP>JYP MKP>MVP
Hoping MVP makes it out with curious but who knows
"MKP might be the most mechanically gifted pro-gamer in the entire world"
I hope you mean amongst the ESF pros, because there's no way that this statement is even remotely true if we count the Kespa guys. MKP more mechanically gifted than Baby, Bisu, JD, or Flash? Are you kidding me?
On September 26 2012 15:55 Qaatar wrote: "MKP might be the most mechanically gifted pro-gamer in the entire world"
I hope you mean amongst the ESF pros, because there's no way that this statement is even remotely true if we count the Kespa guys. MKP more mechanically gifted than Baby, Bisu, JD, or Flash? Are you kidding me?
he is at least on the same level! The fact, that he didn't make it in BW doesn't prove anything here. You need to have much more and different qualities to make it as a pro gamer. And in the kespa scene it's even harder. I would totally agree here.
Real nice write-up, loved the NSHS hahaha. Its sad, but true.
Love you are not betting against Mvp, its way to dangerous to do so. Looking forward to the rest of the matches, dont see Jyp getting out - perhaps both MKP and Curious will make it
On September 26 2012 15:55 Qaatar wrote: "MKP might be the most mechanically gifted pro-gamer in the entire world"
I hope you mean amongst the ESF pros, because there's no way that this statement is even remotely true if we count the Kespa guys. MKP more mechanically gifted than Baby, Bisu, JD, or Flash? Are you kidding me?
he is at least on the same level! The fact, that he didn't make it in BW doesn't prove anything here. You need to have much more and different qualities to make it as a pro gamer. And in the kespa scene it's even harder. I would totally agree here.
All elephants are mechanically gifted to find water in deserts or play starcraft. I dont see the statement from Wax as an elephant challenge - its just because MKP mechanics are so sick man :-)
On September 26 2012 15:55 Qaatar wrote: "MKP might be the most mechanically gifted pro-gamer in the entire world"
I hope you mean amongst the ESF pros, because there's no way that this statement is even remotely true if we count the Kespa guys. MKP more mechanically gifted than Baby, Bisu, JD, or Flash? Are you kidding me?
he is at least on the same level! The fact, that he didn't make it in BW doesn't prove anything here. You need to have much more and different qualities to make it as a pro gamer. And in the kespa scene it's even harder. I would totally agree here.
All elephants are mechanically gifted to find water in deserts or play starcraft. I dont see the statement from Wax as an elephant challenge - its just because MKP mechanics are so sick man :-)
His mechanics are not that sick...micro and macro =/= mechanics. Mechanics also mean, being able to construct an effective sim-city (i.e. building placement), being able to execute efficient actions under pressure (not getting supply blocked while under attack, etc.), and other things like maximizing mining efficiency at every base even in the late game. MKP isn't great at any of those things, and I'd argue that he's actually quite poor at building placement, while being pretty average at the other two. Multitasking is also a factor in all of these areas, since doing anything under enemy pressure requires good multitasking. MKP's multitasking is one of his weaknesses.
I'm not saying any of this to denegrate MKP in any way. But, saying that he might be, or is even one of, the most mechanically gifted RTS pro-gamers in the world is a stretch, to say the least.
Also, being "gifted", in my vocabulary, means being able to learn and excel at a fast pace. If that were the case. MKP should have shined LONG ago at MBC, instead of being relegated to the B-team. Baby was kicking ass at age 14, and Flash was owning A-class players at 16. That's being gifted.
On September 26 2012 15:55 Qaatar wrote: "MKP might be the most mechanically gifted pro-gamer in the entire world"
I hope you mean amongst the ESF pros, because there's no way that this statement is even remotely true if we count the Kespa guys. MKP more mechanically gifted than Baby, Bisu, JD, or Flash? Are you kidding me?
he is at least on the same level! The fact, that he didn't make it in BW doesn't prove anything here. You need to have much more and different qualities to make it as a pro gamer. And in the kespa scene it's even harder. I would totally agree here.
All elephants are mechanically gifted to find water in deserts or play starcraft. I dont see the statement from Wax as an elephant challenge - its just because MKP mechanics are so sick man :-)
His mechanics are not that sick...micro and macro =/= mechanics. Mechanics also mean, being able to construct an effective sim-city (i.e. building placement), being able to execute efficient actions under pressure (not getting supply blocked while under attack, etc.), and other things like maximizing mining efficiency at every base even in the late game. MKP isn't great at any of those things, and I'd argue that he's actually quite poor at building placement, while being pretty average at the other two. Multitasking is also a factor in all of these areas, since doing anything under enemy pressure requires good multitasking. MKP's multitasking is one of his weaknesses.
I'm not saying any of this to denegrate MKP in any way. But, saying that he might be, or is even one of, the most mechanically gifted RTS pro-gamers in the world is a stretch, to say the least.
Also, being "gifted", in my vocabulary, means being able to learn and excel at a fast pace. If that were the case. MKP should have shined LONG ago at MBC, instead of being relegated to the B-team. Baby was kicking ass at age 14, and Flash was owning A-class players at 16. That's being gifted.
Okay Wax, did what I could :D I surrender now.
On a side-note, I think its scary how confident Tastosis are about Mvp winning over MKP, i feel its more like 50/50 at best for Mvp.
On September 26 2012 19:57 -Hitman- wrote: On a side-note, I think its scary how confident Tastosis are about Mvp winning over MKP, i feel its more like 50/50 at best for Mvp.
On September 26 2012 11:36 alphakennybody wrote: Sorry guys. Curious won't win a single set in a group like this. Unless vs jyp. JYP always seems to be held back by formidable s class players as well as jyp. I don't see them breaking the curse just because mvp and mkp seem to be less than immortal.
lol what are you talking, JYP is probably the hardest player curious will have to face........ he should defeat mkp and mvp....
On September 26 2012 09:39 Doubting wrote: Curious is going to destroy this group
:D I would have already laughed at that when I read it before the games. I was 100% shure that MVP will advance, either with cheesy style or his solid standard play.Sure, he had his medical problems, but then he just switched to a more cheesy style (some would call it protoss style ;-) )until it got better, so he is playing overall better again. Maru with his awesome micro and always interesting builds has my cheers since i saw the very first game of him. I was sure, but not 100% sure that he will advance. Leaving "the other two". I expected JYP to go strong, so in no way curious would advance. 0-4 for curious is the outcome, although I wouldn't say he was that far off
On September 26 2012 11:36 alphakennybody wrote: Sorry guys. Curious won't win a single set in a group like this. Unless vs jyp. JYP always seems to be held back by formidable s class players as well as jyp. I don't see them breaking the curse just because mvp and mkp seem to be less than immortal.
lol what are you talking, JYP is probably the hardest player curious will have to face........ he should defeat mkp and mvp....
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How could anyone seriously think this? JYP sucks vs Terran, as shown again. Just because he barely picks up wins against lower Code S players on occasion doesn't mean he'll ever beat any top ones.
Eventhough its good u guys post this so fast, The title is always good, yet still on the mainpage u say Mana & Naniwa are out..... Thanks i haven't even got the time to check the vod...
On September 26 2012 11:36 alphakennybody wrote: Sorry guys. Curious won't win a single set in a group like this. Unless vs jyp. JYP always seems to be held back by formidable s class players as well as jyp. I don't see them breaking the curse just because mvp and mkp seem to be less than immortal.
lol what are you talking, JYP is probably the hardest player curious will have to face........ he should defeat mkp and mvp....
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How could anyone seriously think this? JYP sucks vs Terran, as shown again. Just because he barely picks up wins against lower Code S players on occasion doesn't mean he'll ever beat any top ones.
Hey man JYP looked good against SuperNova. And if you're gonna say SuperNova is a 'nominal' code S player that's like saying Chris Bosh is a 'nominal' player in THE BEST TEAM WITH THE MOST STACKED LINE UP EVER. (As I typed that reference I realized it is likely to be lost on most people. All I am saying is GSL is the most freaking stacked league and hard as heck to stay in so there is no such thing as a nominal Code S player)
And oh by the way Supernova almost has the NesTea award, meaning he's the second most consistent Code S player there is (Besides freaking NesTea).
But it's true, the poster that said JYP is the hardest is not right.
Side Note: I like the results cause I play Terran, but hard day for Curious am I right? BO losses left and right man. That sucks so much.