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Code S Ro32: Group F Recap


By: stuchiu

Results from Live Report Thread by Dodgin
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NaNiwa vs. Heart
(P)NaNiwa <Entombed Valley> (T)Heart
(P)NaNiwa (T)Heart
(P)NaNiwa (T)Heart

Heart Wins 2-1!

Sniper vs. Squirtle
(Z)Sniper <Whirlwind> (P)Squirtle
(Z)Sniper (P)Squirtle
(Z)Sniper (P)Squirtle

Squirtle Wins 2-1!

Winners' Match
(T)Heart (P)Squirtle
(T)Heart (P)Squirtle
(T)Heart <> (P)Squirtle

Squirtle Wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(P)NaNiwa (Z)Sniper
(P)NaNiwa (Z)Sniper
(P)NaNiwa <> (Z)Sniper

Sniper Wins 2-0!

Final Match
(T)Heart (Z)Sniper
(T)Heart (Z)Sniper
(T)Heart (Z)Sniper

Heart Wins 2-1!



(P)Squirtle and (T)Heart advance to Code S RO16!



Squirtle Surfs Along on Victory Road
- (P)ST_Squirtle defeats both (Z)MVP.Sniper and (T)coL.Heart easily to move on to the Ro16.


With three individual league silvers medals in his pocket, Squirtle got off to a great start on his mission to escape from the Kong Line. Drawn into one of the softer groups of the tournament, Squirtle had no trouble dispatching his opponents and advancing in first place.

Squirtle started off the night against Sniper, the dark horse Zerg from team MVP. As Sniper went up to 3 hatch, Squirtle opened up with an unorthodox gate-first expansion build. Upon scouting Sniper’s 3rd hatch, Squirtle transitioned into a strong 5-gate timing attack. Despite scouting and delaying the proxy pylon, Sniper could never gather the critical mass of roaches and lings needed to hold off the attack, and was forced to GG out to the rush.

As the series moved on to Daybreak, Squirtle had another early attack prepared. After standard forge FE vs three hatch openings, Squirtle went for a strong 6 gate warp prism attack in Sniper's main, using force-fields to block off Sniper's ramp. Due to a number of factors - a macro hatch in Sniper's main, good counter-attacking by Sniper, and a few missed force-fields from Squirtle - Sniper managed to hold out against the attack and came out in much better condition. With his counter-attacking force of roaches and lings able to kill Squirtle's natural in the meantime, it didn't take long for Sniper to ride his advantage to a victory.

The deciding set took place on Entombed Valley, where Sniper decided he would control the pace of the game by going for a fake 3 hatch, cancelling it and going for a roach + slow ling bust that went totally unscouted until it was knocking at Squirtle’s front door. Though he was forced to sacrifice a number of probes, Squirtle held off the attack with good sim city, probe blocking, force fields and hastily built cannons. The situation normalized with Sniper taking the lead in drones while building a solid three base foundation as he went up to lair. However, Squirtle had tricks of his own, and hit back with DTs that killed a decent amount of Sniper's drones, demolished the hatchery at his third, and delayed his fourth base for a while. Behind all this, Squirtle was going up to three bases for a mass +2 blink stalker attack. Though Sniper had infestors out in time for the attack, Squirtle didn't hesitate to charge right in when he judged that Sniper just didn't have the numbers to hold. It was the correct decision for Squirtle as Sniper was overwhelmed and forced to concede.

- Squirtle gives Heart a taste of his own medicine in the winners match

Coming up to the winners match after cheesing NaNiwa three times in a row (more on that below), Heart had the tables immediately turned on him by NaNiwa's ex-StartaleQ teammate Squirtle.

They started off on Antiga where Heart did a marauder + reactor hellions timing attack, but a misplaced bunker meant that Squirtle was able to easily hold off the attack with his FE into 3 gates before robo strategy. Heart tried to expand behind his failed attack, but fell helplessly when Squirtle counter attacked with immortals and a slew of gateway units.

In the next game, Heart decided to go in the complete opposite direction of his previous games on the night, and went for three fast CC's against Squirtle’s standard gate-nexus build. Perhaps Squirtle felt something was amiss as no SCVs had come to attack him in the first 5 minutes, and he responded by pumping units from his three warp-gates and going for a bust on Heart. Heart was totally unprepared losing a massive amount of SCVs and being forced to lift his natural CC for a considerable length of time. Heart tried to play the game out from there, but it was effectively over. Squirtle simply contained Heart while teching up and taking a third, increasing his lead even further. Heart managed to gather one attack which was utterly crushed, and he made way for Squirtle on his path to redemption.

Heart By Heart
- (T)coL.Heart pulls off an upset by defeating (P)Mionix_NaNiwa and (Z)MVP.Sniper, backed by skillful cheesing.


Though we all expected it, but we couldn’t help but watch in fascination as Heart rolled into the booth and did what he does best: all-in. In fact, he did it so well, that by the end of the day, he had booked himself a ticket to the Ro16.

The first victim was NaNiwa. On the first map, Entombed Valley, NaNiwa went with a 2 zealot stalker expansion, while Heart did a 1/1/1 build that was centered around massing a very large amount of marines and hellions early. Then Heart gathered a force of SCVs, marines, and hellions and pushed towards NaNiwa, with just one medivac in tow. Instead of using his medivac to drop, he used it as a sacrificial decoy to draw NaNiwa’s stalkers out of position and distract his attention for just two crucial seconds while he walked up the ramp into the natural and killed off the vital sentries.

NaNiwa decided to sacrifice his natural nexus and hold inside his main while Heart chose to stay on one base and finish the game. He continued to build up his infrastructure to get tanks, more rax and upgrades for his infantry. As tanks popped out, Heart tried to rally them to NaNiwa's base to keep him contained, but NaNiwa busted out in timely fashion, just before Heart could dig himself in. After mopping up the containing force, NaNiwa looked like he could just take his natural and play a normal game against the one-base Terran, but he ended up pushing his advantage too far in a failed attack on Heart's main. Smelling blood, Heart pulled his SCVs for a final all-in fifteen minutes into the game, and this time NaNiwa had no answer.

One good turn deserved another, and NaNiwa repaid the favor by picking Antiga as the next map and immediately going for a 4-gate all-in. Heart was gearing up to go for another 1/1/1, but unfortunately his bunker was nowhere near in time to stop NaNiwa's super-fast attack. Heart GG'd out, and the series went to a third set.

Heart showed even more variety in game three, going for an old school reactor-techlab two barracks pressure build. NaNiwa did a 1 gate expand and went up to 3 gates, fending off the rush without much trouble. However, that was just the first move for both players, as Heart was gearing up for a full-blown one base MMM all-in, while NaNiwa was rushing up to DTs. In a weird sequence of events, Heart pushed out just as NaNiwa had enough DT's to hold off the attack, while also sending a handful to cripple Heart's economy back at home. Still, Heart managed to somehow transition into a belated "1/1/1," with a force of marines, marauders, banshees, and a raven (one with heroic auto-turrets), which somehow was enough overwhelm NaNiwa in a last ditch attack.

After falling to Squirtle in the winners' match, Heart got a chance to redeem himself in the final match of the night against MVP's Sniper. In a shocking turn of events, Heart decided to go for a very standard, macro style of play in his first two games against Sniper. On Cloud Kingdom, Heart went for three bases and pummeled Sniper with constant MM-Tank aggression, making Sniper’s decision to go for a muta-heavy mid game largely ineffectual as he was forced to spend most of his time defending. A few favorable engagements for the Terran saw Heart go up 30~40 supply, from which point he could simply rally troops in Sniper's direction until he received the surrender.

The second game on Daybreak followed a similar pattern where Sniper once more went for mutas against Heart's macro play without doing any damage, but things went much better for Sniper this time. When Heart moved out across the map with a large force, Sniper was able to clean up the attack very efficiently with muta-bane-ling, and was able to keep Heart stuck in his base while teching up to brood lords and infestors. Heart was still only prepared to fight a lair army when the brood lords hit, and he was easily overrun.

In the elimination game, Heart stayed true to himself and played the style that had gotten him so far. He did a proxy 11/12 rax and pulled some SCVs to do massive damage to Sniper’s economy by dropping him down to 8 drones. Sniper tried to do a slow ling counter into Heart’s natural, but was forced to withdraw as marines closed in. However, he mistakenly withdrew into a squad of marines, instantly losing half of his lings. Heart smelled blood once more, and pulled a large amount of SCVs and executed a game winning attack.

Naniwa Finishes Last

NaNiwa brought more of his gate-nexus play in the losers' match against Sniper, but what wasn't good enough against DongRaeGu turned out to be insufficient against MVP's other Zerg ace as well. NaNiwa tried to go for a fast 4 gate follow-up in the first game, but it was spotted and easily thwarted by speedlings and roaches. He tried to follow up with a +2 blink stalker all-in, but Sniper sniffed out the attack before it came, and was able to use a great burrowed ling trap combined with roaches to totally crush NaNiwa's force.

Things went a lot better for NaNiwa in game two, where a similar early pressure opening for NaNiwa allowed him to kill off Sniper's third base. NaNiwa seemed like he was in good position to secure his third and play a standard game, but instead decided he would go for a nexus cancel and all-in with +2 blink stalkers yet again. It was more of the same as burrow proved to be NaNiwa's bane yet again, leaving him unable to push into Sniper's burrowed roaches. Instead of backing off, NaNiwa attempted to force a terrible fight, which ended up in a costly defeat. NaNiwa belatedly tried to take a third, but by then Sniper had teched up to mass infestors. Channeling the spirit of NSH_Freaky, Sniper dumped infested Terrans on NaNiwa until he was forced to GG out.

Overall, NaNiwa placed below expectations tonight as his play seemed unfocused, and his execution was not as clean as we were used to seeing from him in recent GSLs. He will now have to climb back up from Code A, which is likely to be populated by dangerous KeSPA players this time around.


Code S Ro32: Group G Preview


By: Porcelina

Group G: (Z)LG-IM_NesTea, (Z)ST_Life, (T)mTw.SuperNova, (P)EG.JYPRC


Seeded first in Group G, we have (Z)LG-IM_NesTea.

NesTea has had what you might call a rough period. His IEM Cologne run was decidedly mediocre and uninspiring. He failed to take any pressure off his teammates in IPL TAC3. And while he did qualify for the OSL, his play in the actual tournament has been nothing short of a disappointment.

It all started at the end of his run in the last season of Code S. It bears keeping in mind that his position prior to Season 3 was not unlike what it is now. NesTea was in a position where many doubted whether he was the kind of player who could truly challenge for another Code S title. However he put together a very strong season, getting to the quarter-finals, only to see it all start to fall apart after a rather controversial bunker ramp block by ByuN. If he had not gone to Cologne, and declined participation in the OSL, he would go into this season a strong candidate to win it all. Alas, what happened, happened, and hypotheticals are just that.

Be that as it may, it should not be forgotten that the GSL is NesTea’s league. He has never looked quite as good when he leaves his home ground. He is famous for his dislike of travelling, and fundamentally he has been much better in an environment where preparation and being able to figure out his opponents are key factors. On the other hand, the distance to the OGN studios should not be prohibitive, and his failures there are perplexing. But the in the end, NesTea is the only player to have an award named after himself in the GSL, one that represents consistency, no less.

Life is (Z)Life.

Life already seems destined to be a great starcraft player. At the tender age of fifteen, he has accomplished more than one could realistically expect. Of course, his latest and grandest endeavor was to land a second place in TSL4. His run in the tournament showcased a lot of who he is as a player.

Cliches dictates that a cheesy player should be coined as unpredictable or willing to take calculated risks. Life is a bit different; his style seems so chaotic that the latter part may need to be omitted. His behavior seems more instinctive than calculating, having a sixth sense when it comes to finding an opponent’s weakness.

Having garnered a reputation as an online wizard, a GSTL terror and a TSL finalist, this will be Life’s first step into Code S. It is always difficult to predict what will come of obviously gifted players when they are first thrown to the wolves. The pressure sometimes creates coal, other times diamonds.

On the seventh day of Code S GomTV gave to me, the old ‘gainst the new in ZvZ.

In the past, NesTea was the undisputed Master of ZvZ. He looked about as likely to lose as MC would a PvP, except that when it came down to it, NesTea won more.

Life is currently what NesTea used to be. Even his statistics sit around the sky high 80% mark that solidified NesTea’s reputation as the master of the mirror. The trend of the players is reflected in the microcosm of the matchup. One old, the other new. One falling, the other rising. One a protector of the establishment, the other breaking down the doors.

Stylistically, NesTea has always seemed to favor mutalisk play. Perhaps this is a clue to his decline in ZvZ prowess, as the infestor-based standard has made forcing mutas a shaky plan. What was undoubtedly one of NesTea’s prime strengths, however, was his ability to out-think his opponents. He would more often than not make more correct decisions; an excellent way to win games of Starcraft. As Wings of Liberty draws to a close, this advantage is slipping away.

Against Life, all bets are off in terms of who will be out-thinking whom. Despite his unpredictable nature in ZvT and ZvP, Life plays an uncannily safe, reactive style in Zerg vs Zerg. There, he seems to channel NesTea's old spirit, always staying one step of his opponent and knowing the correct move that comes next. It might be NesTea that benefits from a little unpredictability in this match.

Realistically, Life would beat NesTea a majority of the time outside the GSL. For him, this is pure opportunity; while it would be disappointing to not qualify for the round of sixteen, he is more than likely to make it back. For NesTea, this is the chance to redeem himself and to once again prove that he sets the standard for Code S.


Another Genius Falling?

(P)EG.JYPRC has had a curious career since joining Evil Geniuses. While on TSL, he was used to living in the shadow of more famous team mates. Little may have changed since switching teams as far as that point, but what have changed are his GSL endeavours. No longer being relegated to bit parts in the GSTL, he was shown a lot of confidence in the SlayerS/EG line-up; his results being pivotal in propelling the joint-team to the finals. Furthermore, he has been able to carve a path for himself as well, breaking Into Code A, establishing himself as a strong player there and finally returning to Code S.

It was a fairly quiet run for JYP to get here, though that statement undersells the accomplishment. While a sudden rise to the top certainly grabs more headlines, showing a steady improvement both in gameplay and mental fortitude can be equally impressive. And there can be no doubt that JYP is a player who has improved his weak points, slowly and gradually, but still noticeably. His previous bout in Code S ended with two quick losses and a return to Code A. His second time around he should be stronger; the question is whether he will be able to reproduce his GSTL form in individual competition.

(T)mTw.SuperNova, the variable star.

One more season of Code S and SuperNova will have his NesTea Award. One has to wonder just how badly SuperNova wants to make the round of eight and be done with it. At any rate, it will be a staple of every interview he does until the next season.

The good news is that SuperNova is quite adept at making it out of the first group stage. The easiest way to get to the Promised Land is to land a spot in the round of eight, which is well within his capabilities; he is clearly the second best player in this group terms of history and results.

He seems to have taken the transition to being on a foreign team well. He did well at IEM Cologne, he won the Campus Party in Berlin then returned to Korea, taking out Creator twice in his Up and Down group to qualify for Code S. Based on recent results, SuperNova looks in good shape to start out his Code S season like he quite often does – there have been a few seasons where the mTw player has looked like a legitimate contender for a title in the group play stages.

On the eighth day of Code S we will get to see, if SuperNova beat JYP.

Let’s start out with stating the obvious. There is an elephant in the room. JYP is famous for having an atrocious record in PvT. This is slightly different from having an atrocious PvT; he can clearly play the matchup fairly well, but has had a tendency to either make critical mistakes or to get the short end of the build order stick in the GSL. He did make it through Code A last season beating ThorZaIN and Hack, which is promising, but is also against opposition inferior to what he will face here.

The elephant in the room is joined by a 800 pound gorilla in the room. Put bluntly, SuperNoVa’s TvP is strong. Possibly not as celebrated as that of TaeJa, jjakji or Polt, but make no mistake, it has always been a strong point. His style, like most notable TvP players, is identifiably his own. He often deploys Bio/mech openings, he has powerful cheeses and has an excellent late game. Perhaps most impressive is his ability to sniff out possible timings; he will attack at times no other Terran would, seemingly out of the blue but to great effect.

Unfortunately for JYP, he seems weak to most things SuperNoVa masters. His early game has often times look suspect and he often looks prone to mistakes in the late game. However, there have been several glimpses of a new and improved JYPvT as of late. Ironically, JYP might also be the type of player SuperNoVa might fall to. It is difficult not to remember how ‘NoVa defeated Creator twice but lost to Vampire in baffling fashion two weeks ago. The EG player has a very fine line to walk; he must try to ensure that no cheese really gets to him but he has not shown the type of PvT where he is able to recover from falling behind economically either.

SuperNova > JYP

The Rest of the Group.

I expect to see SuperNoVa and Life battle it out for the first place in the group. As much as SuperNoVa has shown fantastic TvZ in the past, his performance in this particular matchup has looked less impressive as of late. He has shown a clear preference for mech, mirroring Mvp in Cologne and again against YugiOh in U/D. His adaptation of the style has looked decidedly shaky on both occasions, winning more by out-muscling his opponents rather than being in control. Life will present a much tougher type of opposition; his ZvT looks great in general and he has a fantastic eye for exploiting Terran immobility. If SuperNoVa indeed goes mech, I suspect the games will largely come down to how greedy he is and how much Life will punish weak points in the opening. Stylistically, I cannot think of many Zergs against whom I would rather want to avoid mech. With Bio, it will come down to whether SuperNoVa can rediscover his form that let him defeat a DRG in his prime. However, TvZ has never been the Terran’s strong point apart from isolated incidents of brilliance while Life looks to crush that type of opposition.

SuperNova < Life

Meanwhile, NesTea vs. JYP seems fairly clear cut. NesTea, like in his ZvZ, seems very dependent on mutalisk play. He has not shown much of the style of Zerg that goes into infestors as soon as possible with the intent to mass up on brood lords. He almost exclusively goes for early pressure, either trying to end it there and then or with dedicated midgame attacks. On the other hand, JYP has quietly been one of the better PvZ players in Korea for a while. While he does mix in all-ins, he likes three base plays. As such, it seems reasonable to expect that the matchup will largely be decided on whether he can establish a safe third. Early stargate play seems likely, especially if he wants to deter NesTea from opting for heavy mutalisk usage.

NesTea < JYP

If all these things come true, a re-match of SuperNova vs. JYP would be on the cards. Once again, I have a very hard time seeing JYP win if he has not had some hitherto unseen leaps of improvement in PvT.

NesTea < Life
SuperNova > JYP
SuperNova < Life
NesTea < JYP
SuperNova > JYP

Life and Supernova advance.

Did you know...

  1. JYP knocked out Life in the round of 48 of Season 1 Code A.
  2. NesTea is 4-1 over SuperNoVa in GSL games. All of them occurred in Code S Season 2.
  3. SuperNoVa has the best Elo on Antiga Shipyard in Korea. Life has the third highest.
  4. NesTea has a 100% win rate on Daybreak in both ZvZ and ZvP. Against Terran he is 4-4.
  5. Life is 15-5 on Ohana, having the best Elo on that map. However he is only 4-3 in ZvP.
  6. JYP is not in the top 25 in terms of Elo on any map featured in GSL Season 4.
  7. JYP has won twelve out of his last sixteen games across all GSL competitions.
  8. Between 03.31.12 and 6.12.12, Life went 25-1 in ZvZ.
  9. Even though Life is ranked third in terms of Elo on Cloud Kingdom, his last ten games have ended with seven losses.
  10. If SuperNoVa secures a Code S spot for next season, he will get the prestigious NesTea Award.



Edit: It is entirely possible that I have learned something today.




Writer: Porcelina and stuchiu.
Graphics and Art: Meko.
Editors: Waxangel and Antoine.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
September 12 2012 02:38 GMT
#2
As always thanks for a great write-up. Fun facts in the end are sweet, more of the fluff'y stuff to accompany the well-written (but somewhat dense) previews would be good idea.
NiTi
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Chile5 Posts
September 12 2012 02:43 GMT
#3
nani got heart-sniped
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#4
I wouldn't mind seeing JYP advance out. His PvZ recently has looked very great, and he might be able to beat both Life and Nestea if the stars align.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
September 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#5
Cheers for the write up. Agree with the Supernova + Life prediction, but Nestea and JYP are definitely capable. I think this group is fairly close overall.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#6
I hope JYP makes it, the guy is due for some success in the individual leagues.
FILM
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United States663 Posts
September 12 2012 02:56 GMT
#7
Man, all of these titles have been depressing as of late ; __ ;
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
September 12 2012 02:59 GMT
#8
Life let's do this!
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Laryleprakon
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New Zealand9496 Posts
September 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#9
Hoping for Life/Nestea, unlikely tho.
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Australia54784 Posts
September 12 2012 03:08 GMT
#10
cheering for jyp/life!
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France12578 Posts
September 12 2012 03:09 GMT
#11
Supernova better make it, because I really want him to secure the Nestea award right away
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United States16 Posts
September 12 2012 03:16 GMT
#12
I think you messed up the title. It was group F not group E.
jdc214
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United States122 Posts
September 12 2012 03:19 GMT
#13
I run into the same problem with this group as I have almost every other season. I completely feel like at least 3/4 players *should* be in the Ro16. So much good starcraft, too many broken hearts, sigh...
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United States15275 Posts
September 12 2012 03:21 GMT
#14
I hope Supernova and Life advance. I think Life is far superior to Nestea in terms of mechanics and as long as he doesn't get mindfucked with a mirror build (like what happened against Leenock), he will be in good mental shape to take out Supernova/JYP.
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United States102 Posts
September 12 2012 03:23 GMT
#15
I like the old school so I will be rooting for NESTEA 100%.

Other than that - I am interested in seeing life.

I need to watch OSL somehow. I want to see flash and these guys playing sc2.
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September 12 2012 03:24 GMT
#16
gogo Life~
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 12 2012 03:30 GMT
#17
Is Porcelina the next TL preview bon-- ok enough of that, but nice job.

Though in the end it will be either Nestea/Life or Supernova/Nestea

Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs. Nerves could play a factor now that he's in code S, young, and against a very intimidating opponent. Nestea has lost more ZvZ than ever lately, but I would not write him off in this mu at all just yet. I wouldn't say he's very reliant on mutas here either, Nestea has shown he can play all types of ZvZ.

Supernova I can see certainly getting first as I think beating JYP is sadly a given and while Nestea beat him 4-1 last season it wasn't in the most convincing fashion to say the least and Nestea has continued to plummet in the mu since then :/

I like JYP, but I think he's definitely the least likely to get out here. He's improved but he still has JVPvT and Supernova is good. I also think both of the Zergs can beat him, his PvZ is good and it's his best mu but he still hasn't blown me away like Squirtle, herO, Seed, MC etc. Nestea is still trustworthy enough here as well, but to a lesser extent than his ZvZ, he also broke his foot off in JYP's ass the last time they met (though it was just 1 game). While Life just has a good record against protoss currently and had to prepare for a final against Creator recently, so his ZvP likely hasn't lost any luster. It'll be close but Life will edge it out.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:35:49
September 12 2012 03:32 GMT
#18
On September 12 2012 12:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs.


So is Nestea's.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
September 12 2012 03:41 GMT
#19
Surprised you'd predict JYP over Nestea when he showed a small sign of life and beat Oz last night. Though I didn't see the games due to the insane time they are on so I guess he could have just cheesed him.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
September 12 2012 03:45 GMT
#20
On September 12 2012 12:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs.


So is Nestea's.


oh boy Artosis's jimmies are soooo gonna be rustled with your statement
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:53:51
September 12 2012 03:52 GMT
#21
On September 12 2012 12:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs.


So is Nestea's.


Should have bolded the part about it being in online tournaments as well (the more relevant piece).

Nestea has maintained a high winrate in ZvZ all offline for a far longer period of time in the gsl booth which is where they'll be playing today. Experience could play a significant factor.
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Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
September 12 2012 03:53 GMT
#22
Nestea can NOT fall out of code S. I believe in him

Nestea v Life
SuperNova v JYP
SuperNova v Life
Nestea v JYP
Nestea v SuperNova

if Life and Nestea go to code A then I won't have anyone left to cheer for but DRG
Life: The New Champion!!
hnim
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
September 12 2012 04:05 GMT
#23
A 200 pound gorilla sounds like a pretty lightweight gorilla.
Mvp fanboy
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 04:11:36
September 12 2012 04:08 GMT
#24
On September 12 2012 12:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs.


So is Nestea's.


Should have bolded the part about it being in online tournaments as well (the more relevant piece).

Nestea has maintained a high winrate in ZvZ all offline for a far longer period of time in the gsl booth which is where they'll be playing today. Experience could play a significant factor.


True. However the majority of Nestea's competition was less than impressive, similar to Life. It's the same thing for every player that has an abnormally high winrate in the mirror matchup.

As for experience, we can't really tell if it's going to be a factor. Life is not exactly suffering from the newbie jitters. His loss to Leenock was only due to a big head.
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 12 2012 04:10 GMT
#25
On September 12 2012 13:05 hnim wrote:
A 200 pound gorilla sounds like a pretty lightweight gorilla.


The actual phrase should have been 800. So sad.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
September 12 2012 04:17 GMT
#26
On September 12 2012 13:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs.


So is Nestea's.


Should have bolded the part about it being in online tournaments as well (the more relevant piece).

Nestea has maintained a high winrate in ZvZ all offline for a far longer period of time in the gsl booth which is where they'll be playing today. Experience could play a significant factor.


True. However the majority of Nestea's competition was less than impressive, similar to Life. It's the same thing for every player that has an abnormally high winrate in the mirror matchup.

As for experience, we can't really tell if it's going to be a factor. Life is not exactly suffering from the newbie jitters. His loss to Leenock was only due to a big head.


Not really. It's not impressive now because all those players have fallen off. But at the time he was beating the other top ZvZers in the world. The Nestea vs Losira finals was a match between the 1st and 2nd best Zergs at the time. Life is facing obscure players in online events to boost his win-rate.
Kraidio
Profile Joined May 2011
China133 Posts
September 12 2012 04:19 GMT
#27
Damn it, if only Suhoshin hadn't died in round 1. It would be a dream ro16 group to have Supernova and Nestea against Heart and him. The most consistent for T/Z vs their cheesy counterparts. It would be the most enjoyable games possible between them.

And make sure it's Suhoshin vs Heart at some point - the amount of cheese would feed SC2 for a life time.
A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 04:53:53
September 12 2012 04:27 GMT
#28
On September 12 2012 13:17 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 13:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Life has sick ZvZ sure, but it's somewhat inflated by online tournaments against lesser Zergs.


So is Nestea's.


Should have bolded the part about it being in online tournaments as well (the more relevant piece).

Nestea has maintained a high winrate in ZvZ all offline for a far longer period of time in the gsl booth which is where they'll be playing today. Experience could play a significant factor.


True. However the majority of Nestea's competition was less than impressive, similar to Life. It's the same thing for every player that has an abnormally high winrate in the mirror matchup.

As for experience, we can't really tell if it's going to be a factor. Life is not exactly suffering from the newbie jitters. His loss to Leenock was only due to a big head.


Not really. It's not impressive now because all those players have fallen off. But at the time he was beating the other top ZvZers in the world. The Nestea vs Losira finals was a match between the 1st and 2nd best Zergs at the time. Life is facing obscure players in online events to boost his win-rate.


With the exception of Losira, BBoongBBoong, and Zenio (who relied more on mindgames than strategy to win in the early days) most of those players were always mediocre in ZvZ. In fact most zerg players in Korea were mediocre in ZvZ in the early days. Don't even try to pretend otherwise for Cezanne, Coca, July, and baby Leenock. The best ZvZ competition Nestea ever faced was in his later international games: Nerchio, Stephano, Symbol, and Violet. He played very well against them with the exception of Symbol.

The "he played unknown players" card is begging the question. The popularity of opponents is irrelevant to their skill, and many of Life's opponents are good to great at the mirror matchup. Life's record is more impressive since he played way more games against unknown opponents without preparation, which is where the "randomness" of ZvZ is supposed to kick in. He is also close to undefeated in Bo1 ZvZ sets in team leagues, which is more than Nestea can ever claim.
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PittlerGG
Profile Joined June 2012
22 Posts
September 12 2012 04:31 GMT
#29
This is the least surprising thing I've read in my life.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 12 2012 04:48 GMT
#30
Omg Supernova, get the Nestea award! I will be so proud O.O
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
September 12 2012 04:49 GMT
#31
Oh,boy that escalated quickly.Well didn't put much hope in them at first place so not suprised.
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Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
September 12 2012 05:01 GMT
#32
Go SuperNova!!!
iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 05:03:51
September 12 2012 05:02 GMT
#33

[*]Between 03.31.12 and 16.12.12, Life went 25-1 in ZvZ.


writers at TL can see into the future LOL

did you mean June 12th?

nevertheless it was a good read
When your bases are ashes...then you have my permission to "GG".
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 12 2012 05:07 GMT
#34
On September 12 2012 14:02 iGX wrote:
Show nested quote +

[*]Between 03.31.12 and 16.12.12, Life went 25-1 in ZvZ.


writers at TL can see into the future LOL

did you mean June 12th?

nevertheless it was a good read


I may have...

Was going to be all slick and present the date in nice American format.

Then fell over myself and goofed it. =/
deroth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
September 12 2012 05:13 GMT
#35
Actually even though Nestea has been pretty unimpressive lately I'm gona go and say he and Supernova will advance.. Nestea is still a pretty damn smart player, even though his mechanics and multi-tasking have been non-existent as of late.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 12 2012 05:18 GMT
#36
Looking forward to everyone but nestea's games today unless he proves me wrong and shows us the old nestea, I for one would love to see nestea back in form stomping some nerds.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
September 12 2012 05:18 GMT
#37
My brain says Supernova/Life.

My heart says Nestea/Supernova

cheering for the veterans tonight.
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Regime
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia185 Posts
September 12 2012 05:28 GMT
#38
i really didnt enjoy hearts games although they were well constructed timing attacks i think it just took the others sum wat by surprise and squirtle is just a baus so he was always going to win. i enjoyed the fun facts tho cant wait for nestea vs life, and hopefully nestea vs supernova for the nestea award :D
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
September 12 2012 05:55 GMT
#39
if JYP beats supernova, 1st JYP 2nd life, if JYP loses (more likely scenario), 1st Life 2nd supernova
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arbus
Profile Joined September 2012
10 Posts
September 12 2012 06:16 GMT
#40
i hope naniwa stops playing in gsl from now on and focuses on foreign tournaments. I think overall he wasted his time, stephano was always right not playing their and focusing on foreign tournaments and actually winning them.
laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
September 12 2012 06:20 GMT
#41
I loved this write up, especially the way you broke down the picks match by match. Well done! and Thank You!
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
September 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#42
Those STATS at the end!
Someone call down the Thunder?
GoingGoingGone
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Slovakia529 Posts
September 12 2012 06:58 GMT
#43
On September 12 2012 12:41 JJH777 wrote:
Surprised you'd predict JYP over Nestea when he showed a small sign of life and beat Oz last night. Though I didn't see the games due to the insane time they are on so I guess he could have just cheesed him.


Just to clarify, that game was basically the same what Squirtle did to Sniper in game 1, but with a huge screw-up by Oz that Nestea utilized. The attack was scouted, he had a hole in his wall-in, no cannon and Nestea sent some lings to run by. After that, it went downhill.

That being said, Nestea has a decent chance. But I'm joing the Life/Supernova club.
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randomsaint
Profile Joined December 2011
42 Posts
September 12 2012 07:39 GMT
#44
Is the Life ZvZ stat supposed to be match score or map score or what? On (his korean) TLPD he has two map losses in that time frame and 0 match losses so that's pretty confusing

Also Nestea's 4-1 record on Supernova was in Season 3
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 12 2012 07:46 GMT
#45
Who correctly predicted Squirtle and Heart? This guy.

Who hyped Squirtle and Heart when no when cared about them? This guy.

I am now accepting all contracts in case any team is looking for a scout.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 12 2012 08:02 GMT
#46
On September 12 2012 16:46 Hall0wed wrote:
Who correctly predicted Squirtle and Heart? This guy.

Who hyped Squirtle and Heart when no when cared about them? This guy.

I am now accepting all contracts in case any team is looking for a scout.


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dase
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden7 Posts
September 12 2012 08:04 GMT
#47
Makes me sad that Naniwa got kicked out... Oh well, there's going to be new GSL's i suppose.
Builds are for losers, timings are for men.
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
September 12 2012 08:18 GMT
#48
really enjoyed the statistics at the end of the article =)
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 08:23:03
September 12 2012 08:22 GMT
#49
On September 12 2012 17:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 16:46 Hall0wed wrote:
Who correctly predicted Squirtle and Heart? This guy.

Who hyped Squirtle and Heart when no when cared about them? This guy.

I am now accepting all contracts in case any team is looking for a scout.


+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM


That video just doesn't get old. =D

Going to hold off on celebrating until I get signed by a team though. Surely teams will want full time scouts one day...
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ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
September 12 2012 08:25 GMT
#50
On September 12 2012 16:46 Hall0wed wrote:
Who correctly predicted Squirtle and Heart? This guy.

Who hyped Squirtle and Heart when no when cared about them? This guy.

I am now accepting all contracts in case any team is looking for a scout.


[image loading]

Great games so far, loved Hearts play cause he simply showed how to win ... looking forward for todays group :>
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 12 2012 09:00 GMT
#51
On September 12 2012 15:16 arbus wrote:
i hope naniwa stops playing in gsl from now on and focuses on foreign tournaments. I think overall he wasted his time, stephano was always right not playing their and focusing on foreign tournaments and actually winning them.


No. Just... No.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 12 2012 09:21 GMT
#52
On September 12 2012 11:32 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:

Squirtle Surfs Along on Victory Road


Hahaha!
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gplayer
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania106 Posts
September 12 2012 09:56 GMT
#53
Hope Naniwa recoveres.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 12 2012 12:56 GMT
#54
Squirtle's play was awesome yesterday. Like poetry.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 12 2012 13:55 GMT
#55
On September 12 2012 16:46 Hall0wed wrote:
Who correctly predicted Squirtle and Heart? This guy.

Who hyped Squirtle and Heart when no when cared about them? This guy.

I am now accepting all contracts in case any team is looking for a scout.


I did.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
September 12 2012 14:14 GMT
#56
did you hire the GSL stats guy for the "fun-facts" in the end?
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
September 12 2012 15:25 GMT
#57
I like your stats, hopefully you will utilize them more
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Xidious
Profile Joined October 2011
United States29 Posts
September 12 2012 17:39 GMT
#58
Something about squirtles play makes watching SCII for me at least more entertaining then it usually is when watching pro matches. Just stuff like that 5 gate timming when he scouted 3 hatch man, maybe we can some day get to the level of entertaining games BW had.
13k
Profile Joined November 2009
Brazil16 Posts
September 14 2012 14:33 GMT
#59
Unimpressive is Heart's Terran style.

Great write-up. Nitpicking: title is wrong, should read "F Recap".

Dream is destiny
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 20:34:54
September 15 2012 20:34 GMT
#60
Nevermind §
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