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Code S Ro32: Group E Recap


By: stuchiu

Results from Live report thread by Dodgin.
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
TaeJa vs. MaNa
(T)TaeJa <Ohana> (P)MaNa
(T)TaeJa (P)MaNa
(T)TaeJa (P)MaNa

Taeja Wins 2-1!

MMA vs. Mvp
(T)MMA <Whirlwind> (T)Mvp
(T)MMA (T)Mvp
(T)MMA (T)Mvp

Mvp Wins 2-1 and breaks the curse!

Winners' Match
(T)TaeJa (T)Mvp
(T)TaeJa (T)Mvp
(T)TaeJa <> (T)Mvp

Taeja Wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(P)MaNa (T)MMA
(P)MaNa (T)MMA
(P)MaNa <> (T)MMA

MMA Wins 2-0!

Final Match
(T)Mvp (T)MMA
(T)Mvp (T)MMA
(T)Mvp <> (T)MMA

Mvp Wins 2-0, Mvp > MMA in 2012?!



(T)TaeJa and (T)Mvp advance to Code S RO16!



Taeja takes another step toward the Terran throne
- (T)Liquid`TaeJa defeats (P)mouz.MaNa and (T)LG-IM_Mvp in dominating fashion and moves onto the Ro16


Taeja started off the night playing against Mana and showing excellent form. On Ohana, the game started passively on both sides, with Taeja going for his signature three orbitals into victory while Mana went for a double forge and robo bay. Taeja took the econ lead with a well placed scan which allowed him to land his third cc faster than usual. Eventually, Tajea was able to make that small advantage a decisive one by sniping an obs. This led to a 5 medivac drop in Mana’s main, drawing MaNa's forces away while a separate infantry force destroyed MaNa's third. Mana tried to come back by double expanding and using his better upgrades to defend, but Taeja’s army was too much and he killed both expos to end the game.

MaNa got quick revenge in game two, scouting out and forcing TaeJa to give up on his double-rax strategy. TaeJa tried to transition into triple orbitals after that, but Mana just went for four-gates and killed TaeJa off quickly.

In the final game, Taeja opened with rax gas into a hellion drop, followed by an expansion. After dealing some minor probe damage with his drop, TaeJa pulled back and consolidated his forces for an early bio, medivac and hellion push to trade for some of MaNa's sentries. TaeJa continued to stay aggressive, looking to force an end to the game while MaNa rushed up to templar tech. Mana tried to be aggressive with his storm and blink stalkers to stop TaeJa's attacks, but good dodging from TaeJa allowed him to kill MaNa's army and take the series.

TaeJa proceeded to face Mvp in the winners match, who had advanced after overcoming his arch-rival MMA in the initial matches. The first map was Abyssal City, where Mvp had just recently lost a long GSTL game to Jjakji. Mvp opened with a proxy marauder build, but Taeja scouted MVP’s main with an scv and was able to get a bunker up in time to deflect the pressure. Mvp followed by trying to go up to his usual 3 cc into mech build, but Taeja put on relentless pressure with small armies. A small 1/1/1 style attack did decent damage to begin, and then four hellions followed up to kill all the SCVs in Mvp’s natural and third. Taeja then attacked again and caught a crucial tank out of position. Things continued to spiral out of control for Mvp from there, and TaeJa eventually rolled up his advantage in to a 1 - 0 lead.

The second game on Daybreak saw a TaeJa go for a rare mech build to match Mvp's mech, turning the game into a TvT straight out of 2011. As both players skirmished in the mid game and slowly went to a split-map scenario, TaeJa pulled ahead slightly with faster tech and better upgrades. Taeja was able to transition to sky Terran, while also getting raven upgrades faster. The balance shifted heavily in TaeJa's favor when Mvp was out goaded out of position, allowing TaeJa's hellions to kill all but 18 of Mvp's SCVs. Eventually Taeja was able to put together an overwhelming sky Terran force, forcing the GG from Mvp and securing passage to the Ro16.

- (T)LG-IM_Mvp defeats (T)SlayerS_MMA twice, breaking the GSL TvT triangle

Though the MMA > Mvp > Polt > MMA relationship held for much of 2011, Mvp showed things had changed drastically in 2012 by defeating MMA twice to make his way to the Ro16.

The first match between came on Whirlwind, and easily stood out as the best game of the night. As the players spawned at diagonal spots, they both open into reactor hellions with Mvp winning an early skirmish. Given the distances on the map, both players transitioned into the mid-game with three orbitals, the difference being that MMA had a better economy and faster upgrades, while Mvp had a better army.

After the two Terrans were done setting up, the game turned into a match of speed chess all across the map. It was a clash of two different military doctrines: MMA wanted a mobile infantry force that could attack expansions, cut off reinforcements and threaten a flank on any of Mvp’s forces out on the map. On the other hand, Mvp wanted a stronger tank based army that would be unassailable once set, and could clear up and control large sections sections of the map at a time, and keep centralized control for Mvp.

The game was extraordinarily complicated. There were no less than 23 major attacks and counter attacks initiated by both sides, with MMA constantly counter attacking and taking out expansions, while Mvp was making heavy pushes, defending and taking out armies. Eventually, a hidden base for MMA along with his constant denial and harassment of Mvp’s economy allowed MMA to secure an advantage over MVP. The final nail in the coffin came when MMA finally hit the jackpot, catching eleven of Mvp's tanks unsieged in the middle of the map. With no SCVs, orbitals or army, MVP was forced to gg.

Here is a battle report of the entire game for those interested:
+ Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +

1st move: MMA postures around mid and catches MVP slightly out of position and sieges third. Is pushed back by MVP
2nd move: Both armies move in tandem from MVP’s natural choke to his third choke. MMA’s one marine stops MVP’s 4th from landing. MVP’s drop cancels 4th from MMA. MMA hides base in bottom right quadrant.
3rd move: MMA lands his overt 4th, but MVP’s marines are there. They get cleaned up. MVP double expands in two directions, one towards top right, other towards bot right. Fight in the center turns bad for MMA as tanks get drawn in by siege fire while MMA is multitasking drops.
Clash in the center. MMA maneuvers around MVP’s right to circle and kill MVP’s siege line. MVP has tanks on the left circling and flanking MMA’s siege line. MVP stims in once he sees on bio support and takes center, while MMA’s flank clears up most of the bottom half of army. MMA loses center control, less tanks but more medivacs.
4th move: MVP expands in the bot right quadrant natural, next to MMA’s hidden. MMA marches south and kills MVP’s 4th base. MVP’s central army marches south and clears up army, but misses medivacs. MVP takes another expo top right quadrant main.
5th move: MMA has another army take center. Leaves tank to hold the line as he clears up MVP’s base in bottom right quadrant natural with large marine medivac group. MVP takes sacrificial tanks in center.
6th move: MVP attacks MMA's third. MMA counters by taking our reinforcements in center and moving to kill MVP’s army.
7th move: MVP moves from 3rd to 4th and kills pf there. MMA tries to flank and catch army, but is slaughtered.
8th move: MMA’s expansion in top right quadrant natural forced to lift. MMA catches MVP’s tanks in top right quadrant unsieged. Has center control. Lands a drop on MVP’s 4th in top right and moves army to kill MVP’s bot right 5th. MVP’s army with no map sight cannot react in time.
9th move: MMA uses southern army to push MMA’s third, but is caught in sensor tower range and cleared up by MVP’s main army.
10th move: MVP goes across map and kills MMA’s third again. 4th of MMA gets harassed by a three marine drop. MMA leave some army to hold the line while his main army counter attacks.
11th move: MVP’s army moves top right quadrant and takes out MMA’s pf in the natural. MMA’s northern army pins MVP’s main army to the north, and MVP’s southern army must defend MVP’s 4th as well.
12th move: MMA’s southern army kills MMA’s smaller marine auxiliary force in bottom right quadrant, keeping the bottom right hidden and still unscouted. MMA moves northern army out with his southern army and blitz MVP’s third. MVP’s southern army responds and flanks MMA’s northern army, turning a bad position good for MVP.
13th move: MVP’s northern army rejoins his main now that the pin is gone. MMA combines his two smaller armies to reform his army in the south and now both position in the center. MVP pushes out his southern army and forces MMA back again, with MMA losing some more tanks in the center.
14th move: MMA’s tanks cannot unsiege or else they die, so he leaves a token marine medivac force in the center with his tanks and splits off a majority of his units to march north once again. MVP does a medivac drop and busts through half of MMA’s line, but MMA’s tank line still holds. MVP expanding all top right quadrant.
15th move: MMA has retaken 3rd, 4th and 5th. MMA’s Northern marine force cancels and kills 2 of the 3 bases top right. MVP takes out remnants of center army except for a small marine medivac force in bottom floating over space.
16th move: MVP pushes towards MMA’s center right. MMA reinforcing with his new army.
17th move: MMA’s northern marine force kills the last of bases in the top right quadrant for MVP. At the same time, the remnant marine medivac force drops and kills MVP’s scvs transfering to a new fourth. MMA deflects MVP’s push to center right, and MVP sends small tank force to take out bottom right.
18th move: MMA clears tanks in bottom right with a 2 medivacs, 2 tanks and 8 marines. MMA pushes with his northern marine force to MVP’s 4th. MVP clears it out and takes map control in the center. Also clears marines in his new bottom center base.
19th move: MVP does death push towards MMA’s main intersection that connects his natural 3rd and main mining base. MMA splits his army into two, one to defend, and one to counter attack. MVP immediately realizes what’s going on and moves south in parallel with MMA’s army and kills it.
20th move: MVP pushes to center right of MMA. MMA defends with his home army. But has split another part of his army to roam and clear the top right quadrant. It sieges MVP’s center left. MMA’s army stuck in bottom right moves to take out MVP’s main mining base. MVP forced to retreat as he cannot push towards MMA’s defending army.
Final move: MVP finally loses focus and loses 11 tanks for nothing in the center. MVP clears the army sieging his center right, but he doesn’t have the scv, orbital or army size to stay in the game and gg’s.


The second game was on Daybreak was less a battle of ideologies and more of a battle of composition. Mvp went 3 base mech, while MMA put on early pressure using bio medivac. MMA started off with an early lead by attacking Mvp’s natural before all of Mvp’s tech was ready, and was thus able to destroy a lot of Mvp’s SCVs, main army, and force a lift of MVP’s third. He then dropped Mvp’s main and killed more SCV bringing the SCV death count up to 30. However, Mvp had triple orbitals up much faster and was able to stabilize while MMA took a belated third. Mvp eventually moved back out to his third and got the death push going. MMA tried to hold him off with both aggressive and defensive nuking, but eventually lost both his 3rd and 4th bases. At the same time MMA started drop harassment after clearing Mvp's turret ring with a nuke, but Mvp cleaned it up and got a 4th. MMA stuck in the game using clever bio positioning and nuke harassment to keep the economy equal, but he could never amass an army capable of challenging Mvp in direct combat, and eventually had to GG.

The deciding game took place on Antiga, and it was a different kind of game yet again: a savage battle of who could kill more SCVs. Both started with fast gas builds, with Mvp using a 1 gas variant into an expansion, while MMA went cloak banshees. Mvp attacked with a hellion marine and banshee combination, while MMA did damage with his cloaked banshee in Mvp's under-defended base. All said and done, both sides lost equal amounts of SCVs, but Mvp had his natural up while MMA did not. MMA stayed in the game using banshee harassment to even out the economy, but one hellion run by from Mvp made sure MMA's economy was wrecked once more. With Mvp on three bases, with better tech and more SCVs, MMA was forced into a final desperation SCV pull attack to break Mvp. It didn’t work and Mvp moved on to winners match described above.

After losing 0 - 2 to TaeJa, Mvp ended up having to face MMA once more. MMA had come up from defeating MaNa in the losers match, eliminating the Polish Protoss and completing his brutal welcoming party to Code S.

The Mvp-MMA rematch started on Entombed Valley, with MMA going gas first against Mvp’s cc first. MMA started with some marine hellion and medivac pressure while Mvp went for hellions and vikings. Eventually Mvp broke through and secured his natural while getting a third. MMA tried to follow up with a siege tanks, vikings and marines timing attack, but with cute positioning, Mvp was able to hold off with his vikings and hellions for long enough until his own tanks had the siege mode upgrade. Mvp then got his third cc up and went for mech, while MMA went for a hidden third in the bottom right and used bio tank to contain Mvp. Mvp pushed forward inch by inch until he broke out of MMA's soft contain dragging forth SCVs and going for a death push. MMA tried to drop and break the contain, but none of his attempts were successful and he had to GG.

The last game of the night was a rematch on Whirlwind. The two players spawned cross positions again, and MMA opened up with cc first into a rax and gas while Mvp on the other hand went for some marine-hellion aggression before expanding. In the rematch, MVP got a much better handle on how MMA was playing and used aggressive tank-marine-viking attacks to keep MMA’s economy in check. It started with a very early attack when MMA just establishing his third, taking a sizable chunk out of MMA's army and SCV count. MMA hit back with a triple medivac drop that killed Mvp’s engineering bays and some tanks, but it wasn't enough to wrest back control from Mvp. Mvp constantly forced MMA into bad positions, was prepared for all of his flanking attacks, and was generally in position to do damage wherever MMA's army was absent. Eventually, he carved out a niche in MMA's base where he could keep dropping, forcing costly defensive engagements from MMA until the SlayerS ace was forced to GG out.

- (P)mouz.MaNa’s first expedition into Code S

In the losers game of the night, Mana played MMA on Abyssal City. The game started normally with MMA going 1 rax cc. Mana on the other hand went for a stalker opening to deny MMA scouting while teching up to a blink all-in. Unfortunately, MMA was able to scout the lack of a nexus and he played defensively. Mana decided to go for 4 gate blink obs, but MMA got another SCV in and scouted everything. MaNa expanded and tried to transition into a normal game, but having failed to do much with his initial blink opening, he was crushed by MMA's superior bio force.

Game 2 was played on Entombed Valley, with MMA playing economically with 1 rax into double cc while Mana went for the standard 1 gate zealot stalker expand into a 3 gate and robo. The macro advantage from MMA allowed him to get up to 50 supply ahead of Mana without any major engagements from either side. The game came to a head as MMA moved out to attack, and with a good arc, snipes, and some misplaced force fields, MMA was able to crush Mana’s first army. Afterwards, MMA kept Mana on three base while getting up 3 more bases of his own. With some good nuke harass and aggressive sniping, MMA was able to make Mana fall apart and destroy his army for a second time. MMA then ended the game with a barrage of drops and nukes.

Overall, Mana played up to expectations, showing some solid PvT which just wasn't good enough to defeat the all-star line-up of Terrans assembled against him. Going into this group, Mana said he was worried about Korean Terran aggression and his worries proved to be well founded as Taeja dropped to defeat him in the first match of the day. To make things worse, when MaNa tried to play very defensively, staying on two bases for extended periods of time, both MMA and Taeja took strong macro leads by getting their thirds up much faster without being punished.

While Mana did go 1-4, foreign fans don't have to be discouraged. MaNa was placed in what most would consider to be the hardest Ro32 group this season. MaNa hadn't spent much time in Korea before his matches, so he wasn’t been able to fully reap the benefits of Korean training. With time, he seems fully capable of playing at a higher level. Also, none of MaNa’s games seemed to have any major issues caused by nerves, and he was able to take a game off of Taeja with a cute 4 gate timing after seeing Taeja’s 2 rax opener. So with a clear head, and a few more weeks of Korean training, MaNa should be able to go into his Code A and perform well.

Code S Ro32: Group F Preview


By: Waxangel

Group B: (P)Mionix_NaNiwa, (T)coL.Heart, (Z)MVP.Sniper, (P)ST_Squirtle

After MaNa's unfortunate defeat last night, GomTV's Foreigner Week™ continues with a five hour marathon of "Haters Gonna Hate" featuring NaNiwa.

(P)Mionix_NaNiwa vs. (T)coL.Heart

Well, isn't this familiar. NaNiwa comes into a season of Code S sprayed with a fresh coat of drama, haters gathered 'round like moths to a fire, and oddly overshadowed and underrated despite the fact that he's the best foreign Protoss player. If we were to go on past experience, then the inevitable conclusion would be NaNiwa shutting up the haters yet again, with everyone suddenly remembering that Stephano has turned down four Code S seeds this year.

Considering his first opponent, NaNiwa will have a great chance to get off to a good start in his quest to make the Ro8 once more. PvT has been NaNiwa's favored match-up for nearly the entire duration of his stay in Korea, and if he had to handpick his first opponent from the 31 other players in the tournament, Heart would have probably have fallen inside his third choice.

At the same time, you have to think that Heart isn't exactly taking exception to drawing NaNiwa either. As the only ever Korean pick-up by a foreign team that makes you think "wow, that was a really shrewd pick-up of a player that no one expected to be good!" he shares a trait with NaNiwa in being able to manufacture wins out of nowhere, even though he's rarely the popular choice. With an uncanny ability to successfully all-in and base trade combined a fairly decent standard game, Heart is slowly starting to gain people's respect (if begrudgingly).

You have to like NaNiwa in a longer game, but there's no guarantee we'll see a game like that. Heart likes to cheese it up in all match-ups, and he's one of the few players who still has the "I don't care if you know it's coming" 1/1/1 in his arsenal, and it's certainly one of the biggest dangers NaNiwa will face. But you have to also consider the fact that NaNiwa has also shown an affinity for PvT all-ins in various GSL games, and that this series could turn into a sequence of trading early blows.

(Z)MVP.Sniper vs. (P)ST_Squirtle

As the ultimate authority on hipster picks, I deem that Life and Rain have become too mainstream to pick as darkhorses. Instead, I declare Sniper as this tournament's true underground underdog.

He has effectively become Mvp's Zerg ace, if not overall ace, going 7 – 1 in the last GSTL and 7 – 2 in IPL TAC3. While team MVP still misses the godly, 2011 version of DRG, Sniper has done a fine job filling his shoes. While most people will know him for his utterly forgettable 1 – 4 elimination from Code S last season (at the hands of SuperNoVa and MC), we're more than willing to put that aside as initiation by fire. He showed he was more than deserving of a second chance, crushing AcE, Gumiho, and Puzzle in the Up/Down matches to earn this Code S spot. This time, he will be better.

Even so, he could have asked for an easier first opponent here. We're in one of those phases where Protoss players and Zerg players are bickering with each other about who is more imba in the match-up, but in any case, Sniper won't be happy to face one of the toughest opponents possible. Squirtle comes in as one of the top Protoss players in Korea, shuffled in some order with Creator, MC, PartinG, and Seed.

With another silver at WCS Korea, Squirtle has supplanted MKP as the de facto King Kong of the Korean scene, and as we all know, no one wants to keep that reputation for long. Already, Squirtle must be looking beyond this group, past the Ro16, and to the elimination stages of the tournament where he can win a championship and prove that there is no jinx.

Match-up wise, this should be a battle of textbook play against textbook play as neither player has really shown much flair except for being really, really good. One quirk Sniper showed in his up/down matches was a preference to go for backstabs whenever possible, which could be the right way to play instead of going head on against the battle micro of a top Protoss player. Sniper did show a susceptibility to well executed all-ins last season when he went out 0 – 2 to MC, though losing to MC's all-ins is not really a surprise for any Zerg. Then again, Squirtle is very good at executing his own all-ins, so don't be surprised to see the Ohana + Immortal all-in combination spell the end for Sniper as well.

Winners Match and Beyond

If you look at this group on paper, NaNiwa seems fully capable of making it to the Ro16 yet again. He was matched up against Mvp, Ryung, and Puzzle in Season Two, while he faced Nestea, Creator, and TheStC in Season Three. In comparison, his current group of Heart, Sniper, and Squirtle is probably the weakest of them all.

However, if you look a bit deeper, there is one factor that makes things trickier this time around. In previous Code S tournaments, NaNiwa had plenty of opportunities to take advantage of his very strong PvP. Puzzle has always been poor at PvP in tournaments, while Creator was still learning the ropes in Code S when he faced NaNiwa. Squirtle is an entirely different story, and will be the first better PvP player NaNiwa has had to face in a long time. Add NaNiwa's weak PvZ onto that, and it's hard to see where NaNiwa will get his second win, even if he beats Heart. His best hope would be to pray that he gets to face Heart twice, and just play complete coin-flip PvP against Squirtle.

Heart is favored against nobody in this group, yet he's the player who can play the most volatile style and can hope to win on variance. Remember, he made his Code A debut by defeating Bomber with two proxy-fact builds, so anything's possible when Heart is involved.

As for Sniper, he's the second best player in the group, bringing solid all-around Zerg play. Sniper's problem is that he's also the least experienced player in the group (I would say Heart's wealth of international experience gives him an edge in the experience department, even though this is his first Code S), and that nerves got the better of him the last time he played in Code S. If he can play up to his team league level, then first place is a definite possibility.

Squirtle is the favorite in the group, having the greatest combination of both pure skill and tournament experience. Even so, there's no easy match for him. Sniper is a very dangerous opponent to take first, especially considering he has drawn the Zerg-favored Whirlwind as the first map in the series. If Sniper is 100%, then Squirtle could very well lose the opening series. If that happens, Squirtle will have to tread carefully. There's no telling what Heart will do in a game, while a PvP is still PvP in the end, best GSL record or not.

Predictions:

NaNiwa > Heart
Squirtle > Sniper
Squirtle > NaNiwa
Sniper > Heart
Sniper > NaNiwa

Squirtle and Sniper advance.




Writer: stuchiu and Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko.
Editor: Waxangel.
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The_Templar
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your Country52797 Posts
September 11 2012 02:22 GMT
#2
I think NaNiwa will be able to snatch a win from Sniper, otherwise I agree
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Zenbrez
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Canada5973 Posts
September 11 2012 02:23 GMT
#3
DO IT NANIWA
Refer to my post.
modesttoss
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
September 11 2012 02:24 GMT
#4
I believe in you Naniwa!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 11 2012 02:26 GMT
#5
Amazed that Waxangel predicted MVP's victory over MMA correctly. Of course, the GOMTvT triangle was already broken, since Polt beat MVP earlier this summer but still... Also sad about MaNa losing. The gods of Starcraft sure are cruel to have placed him in this group. NaNiwa is once again the foreign hope in the GSL.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
September 11 2012 02:30 GMT
#6
Wanted to mention that the openings for all the players are great; correlating them to their fame or memes is great. I can get used to GOM keeping this up.

Sad to see MaNa drop. T_T Hope NaNiwa can (once again) be our foreign hope.
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MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
September 11 2012 02:32 GMT
#7
I'm pretty sure Naniwa is going to pass this group.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 11 2012 02:39 GMT
#8
Squirtle and Nani for 1st and 2nd, I believe~
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Mask DeMasque
Profile Joined February 2012
United States415 Posts
September 11 2012 02:41 GMT
#9
I'm not sure if Naniwa was lucky or unlucky to be in yesterday's group. I wonder if he would trade places with Mana if he could. On one hand he'd only have to play PvT, but against three of the best terrans ever... but today he gets only one terran, Squirtle's good PvP, and a zerg.
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United States13 Posts
September 11 2012 02:43 GMT
#10
Not to be that moron foreigner who is just a big complaining hater, but I just can't help but feel that Naniwa drew into the "easy" group... again. Now I know what you are thinking, yes, this is an insane GSL and all the groups have talent in them, but if we were to switch the positions of the two foreigners and put Mana where Naniwa is and vice versa, I can't help but feel that we would have seen Naniwa finish last in the terran group of death and Mana would have a decent shot at making it out of the group alive. "OH NANIWA IS SO GOOD AT PRACTICING FOR MATCH UPS HE WOULD MAKE IT OUT IF HE WERE IN THAT GROUP". Yes. He is. And so are the other three god terrans in the group.
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mecharmy
Profile Joined December 2010
5 Posts
September 11 2012 02:52 GMT
#11
wow mana got totally outclassed in both of his series.

in the opening game Taeja basically told mana by those manner CCs "welcome to the big leauge son"

then in mana's last game vs mma where mma toyed with him with mass nukes, its practically telling him "you dont belong here, gtfo"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 11 2012 02:56 GMT
#12
sad mma didnt make it, but mvp was in good form today. as consolation, his tvp looked good!
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Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
September 11 2012 03:01 GMT
#13
Pretty solid predictions. I'll just be happy as long as Squirtle makes it out, and given his group I like his chances.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 11 2012 03:12 GMT
#14
Great writing Stuchiu, a recap worthy of that group.
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
September 11 2012 03:13 GMT
#15
Agree 100% with predictions. I don't know why, but something about Naniwa not being on Quantic anymore or whatever it is makes me think that he's going to do terribly this Code S. I don't know what makes me think that. But for some reason I do. It's really weird. It's not because he did shit in recent foreign tournaments, since that always happens. Just something intangible makes me think he's not going to advance this time aroud.
hmm... let's think about it
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
September 11 2012 03:14 GMT
#16
easy group for Naniwa. He should make it out based on his past success in GSL Code S.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 11 2012 03:24 GMT
#17
Sniper and squirtle are the big favorites imo but naniwa or heart could still make it out if things go their way
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 11 2012 03:24 GMT
#18
On September 11 2012 12:12 Dodgin wrote:
Great writing Stuchiu, a recap worthy of that group.


Thanks, that group was awesome.
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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 03:28:42
September 11 2012 03:28 GMT
#19
I have the exact same predictions as OP has. Korean Toss players in general seem to be doing really well lately, but I dont see how Naniwa can beat Sniper.
#TheOneTrueDong
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 11 2012 03:30 GMT
#20
i don`t see naniwa pulling this one either.

BUT.... he has done it plenty of times and against all odds....
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scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
September 11 2012 03:35 GMT
#21
Naniwa for RO16 BELIEVE !
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mith652
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia151 Posts
September 11 2012 03:45 GMT
#22
We just need Polt to lose to MMA then the triangle has been reversed, with Polt>MVP>MMA>Polt the new order.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 11 2012 03:48 GMT
#23
I would maybe predict Naniwa, but he looked bad in TSL 4 and WCS Sweden...
#TheOneTrueDong
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 04:01:35
September 11 2012 03:56 GMT
#24
Even if he beats heart, he still has to face Squirtle, which imo, I think he will lose because let's face it. Squirtle has pretty damn good PvP even if it's a coinflip. He'll most likely end up facing Sniper like the predictions so let's hope Naniwa has been refining his PvZ in these past couple weeks of downtime.

Btw, somehow I think Taeja will pick Naniwa in ro16 this season. He usually picks a protoss because its his best MU and looking at the other protosses who made it through already, Naniwa is the most likely candidate if he makes it past ro32.

Nvm, I just looked at the Gomtv s4 points chart, it looks like Naniwa and Taeja are both in the same rank so maybe Naniwa will pick Hero instead? ;D
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 11 2012 03:56 GMT
#25
If we judge by his GSL results he will make it out
if we judge by his foreign results he will be destroyed

thing is this is GSL
naniwa 2012
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33330 Posts
September 11 2012 04:11 GMT
#26
On September 11 2012 12:56 FidoDido wrote:
Even if he beats heart, he still has to face Squirtle, which imo, I think he will lose because let's face it. Squirtle has pretty damn good PvP even if it's a coinflip. He'll most likely end up facing Sniper like the predictions so let's hope Naniwa has been refining his PvZ in these past couple weeks of downtime.

Btw, somehow I think Taeja will pick Naniwa in ro16 this season. He usually picks a protoss because its his best MU and looking at the other protosses who made it through already, Naniwa is the most likely candidate if he makes it past ro32.

Nvm, I just looked at the Gomtv s4 points chart, it looks like Naniwa and Taeja are both in the same rank so maybe Naniwa will pick Hero instead? ;D


HerO has more points than both of them D:
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mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
September 11 2012 04:13 GMT
#27
I think it will be Squirtle and Naniwa - except I think Naniwa will beat squirtle with 1 game being won on a cannon rush OR a proxy inside squirtles base. Then squirtle will win the last match to advance with Naniwa.

This is turning out to be a GREAT GSL season. Those MMA vs MVP games yesterday were so freakin sick - I was reminded of how I fell in love with GSL.... MVP vs MMA - epic!!!!!

GJ GOM.

MIKE
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 11 2012 04:37 GMT
#28
I was so hipster picking Sniper to win this season that he isn't even hipster enough to pick to be the underdog winner.

The real hipster hipster pick is Heart.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 11 2012 04:40 GMT
#29
I think Heart will advance in 2nd today. I was probably the first person ever to hype Heart back in October of last year so I have to stick with him here.

Sniper is scary though, he hasn't shown his best play in Code S and if he manages to bring his A game then he could cruise through this group.

Naniwa is the only one I can't see advancing.
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desarrisc
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Canada226 Posts
September 11 2012 04:56 GMT
#30
Naniwa always surprises. More haters he has, he seems to perform better.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 05:03:37
September 11 2012 05:03 GMT
#31
really betting against a player who got to ro8 twice?
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
September 11 2012 05:09 GMT
#32
This group`s games were so good, especially MMA vs MVP series.

I like the new recap writer. Very detailed.
Someone call down the Thunder?
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 11 2012 05:11 GMT
#33
On September 11 2012 12:56 aRyuujin wrote:
If we judge by his GSL results he will make it out
if we judge by his foreign results he will be destroyed

thing is this is GSL
naniwa 2012

The thing is, those foreign events were also more recent
#TheOneTrueDong
Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
September 11 2012 05:18 GMT
#34
I actually think that Naniwa has a fair chance to advance, he's quite good at PvT and despite Squirtle's phenomenal PvP, an upset in the match up isn't completely unheard of. Against Sniper, though being very good, and with Naniwa's weak PvZ, I feel like Naniwa will have prepared well, and could take that win. Realistically I think Naniwa over Heart, then loss to Squirtle and advances over Heart, all other matches implied.
Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
September 11 2012 05:19 GMT
#35
This group looks relatively doable compared to Mana's. I hope that Naniwa can make it through~
Nuubie
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden66 Posts
September 11 2012 05:27 GMT
#36
Because I agree completely with your predictions, I really disagree and see a big contradiction in:

He was matched up against Mvp, Ryung, and Puzzle in Season Two, while he faced Nestea, Creator, and TheStC in Season Three. In comparison, his current group of Heart, Sniper, and Squirtle is probably the weakest of them all.


Sniper & Squirtle is two players who are better than Naniwa in the matchup, and Heart is as volatile as it gets in TvP, and although there's seldom easy opponents in GSL, following this year and player's status going into a new GSL season, this is the toughest group for NaNiwa.
He had the same don't-give-a-f*** attitude from his stream, where he all-ins every game and shamelessly plays three ads.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
September 11 2012 05:31 GMT
#37
Looks like Mana...
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ran out of mana
T-T!
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 11 2012 05:39 GMT
#38
Should be a great group! Kinda regret not staying up last night, but I had class. Can't wait for this. Nani and Squirtle are strong picks, but I actually like how Heart plays so there will be good games all around.
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hnim
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
September 11 2012 05:51 GMT
#39
On September 11 2012 12:45 mith652 wrote:
We just need Polt to lose to MMA then the triangle has been reversed, with Polt>MVP>MMA>Polt the new order.

Polt lost to MMA at IPL 4.
Mvp fanboy
Mikku
Profile Joined June 2012
Czech Republic58 Posts
September 11 2012 06:06 GMT
#40
Squirtle is outclassing rest of the group ... but I hope second advancing player will be Naniwa.
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
September 11 2012 06:11 GMT
#41
Lets go squirtle and sniper!
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 11 2012 06:20 GMT
#42
This group is gonna have some good games can't wait to see squirtles games!
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
September 11 2012 06:38 GMT
#43
no doubt squirtle should win this lol, im just interested to see if heart has what it takes to take out naniwa, who looks fairly weak lately imho, in TSL4 and IEM opens.
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Lelomak
Profile Joined July 2012
United States2 Posts
September 11 2012 07:11 GMT
#44
Go Heart!!!! most underated terran out there imo. rooting for you!!!
Go for Bonjwa or go for broke.....
Paincarnate
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
115 Posts
September 11 2012 07:37 GMT
#45
The TvT triangle was already broken when Polt beat Mvp 2-1 in WCS Korea. Mvp beating MMA is just the second leg of it. Now we just need to wait for MMA to beat Polt to form the reverse triangle
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 11 2012 07:58 GMT
#46
On September 11 2012 16:37 Paincarnate wrote:
The TvT triangle was already broken when Polt beat Mvp 2-1 in WCS Korea. Mvp beating MMA is just the second leg of it. Now we just need to wait for MMA to beat Polt to form the reverse triangle

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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 11 2012 08:04 GMT
#47
Heh, completely identical prediction to my own today.

bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
September 11 2012 08:14 GMT
#48
Also, none of MaNa’s games seemed to have any major issues caused by nerves



Well, don't forget the walled-in-robo on ohana vs taeja. But no, I largely agree with you
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Clarityxo
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland174 Posts
September 11 2012 08:36 GMT
#49
Come on Naniwa, let's get it done.
Excelle
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden200 Posts
September 11 2012 08:53 GMT
#50
Hope you have trained much and well for this day Naniwa! GOGO!
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Mr_Z
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa88 Posts
September 11 2012 09:14 GMT
#51
Squirtle and NaNiwa, we gotta believe a foreigner can make past RO32, we just gotta
Always last :(
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 11 2012 09:35 GMT
#52
GO SQUIRTLE!
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laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
September 11 2012 10:16 GMT
#53
Go Naniwa!
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trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
September 11 2012 10:55 GMT
#54
im sure naniwa is gonna make it...


to code a
~
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
September 11 2012 11:31 GMT
#55
Can anyone please clarify what the author meant by saying that Nani has been sprayed a fresh coat of drama?
Dazu
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway32 Posts
September 11 2012 11:43 GMT
#56
Based on purely biased fanboyism i will say Naniwa will make it out of his group.

We can always hope! You can do it Nani!

YourOldBuddy
Profile Joined December 2011
Iceland94 Posts
September 11 2012 12:01 GMT
#57
Mana 1-4 start is better than many foreign players f.ex. Naniwa and look where Naniwa is now by just sticking with it.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
September 11 2012 13:03 GMT
#58
Wow, isn't that terribly ironic.

I watched the first game of the MMA vs MVP series and was like "oh great, more MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA stuff"' and went to bed.

Then I wake up to find that was the only game MMA won.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33330 Posts
September 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#59
fuck, so close to 2/2 TT
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gplayer
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania106 Posts
September 11 2012 13:39 GMT
#60
Too bad for MMA...
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
September 11 2012 13:41 GMT
#61
HEART!!!!!!!!!!! :D

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Aphod
Profile Joined March 2012
United States72 Posts
September 11 2012 13:52 GMT
#62
So glad Heart is actually doing this. If he Royal Roads I might cream my pants, mainly because the guy's like king underdog in the KR scene. Not especially good mechanics, but his one standout characteristic is his ability to make people ask, "How the hell is Heart still in this tournament?" Also he's cheesy as hell, and SCII needs more cheese (from a spectator standpoint, of course).
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 11 2012 15:18 GMT
#63
On September 07 2012 15:30 Epoxide wrote:
Sniper is Naniwas GSL curse >_>

Still don't believe Naniwa can win that game
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Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 11 2012 18:27 GMT
#64
Considering how much Nani has switched teams, he probably doesn't have solid players from each race to practice with. I feel as though he's taking his place in Code S forgranted.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 11 2012 18:37 GMT
#65
HATAS GONNA HATE, NANIWA GONNA NANIWATE~~~... that didn't make sense, but go Nani lol.
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Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
September 11 2012 21:41 GMT
#66
great win for heart and col!
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
September 11 2012 21:44 GMT
#67
the fall of naniwa

jinro still the best foreigner in gsl

hopefully when hots hits, jinro will come out of retirement and do another fairy tale run and show nubs how its done
Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
September 11 2012 22:16 GMT
#68
"Squirtle comes in as one of the top Protoss players in Korea, shuffled in some order with Creator, MC, PartinG, and Seed."
*ahem*, Liquid HerO?
Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 11 2012 22:41 GMT
#69
On September 12 2012 07:16 Gatesleeper wrote:
"Squirtle comes in as one of the top Protoss players in Korea, shuffled in some order with Creator, MC, PartinG, and Seed."
*ahem*, Liquid HerO?


HerO is solid, but I definitely believe Squirtle and Seed are better since HerO has lost to both. Creator just won TSL, MC is a GSL champ and PartinG.... I guess PartinG and HerO are about the same level. For me the best Protoss are 1. Seed, 2. Creator 3. MC. 4. HerO/PartinG.
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Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
September 13 2012 04:26 GMT
#70
On September 12 2012 03:27 Interstellar wrote:
Considering how much Nani has switched teams, he probably doesn't have solid players from each race to practice with. I feel as though he's taking his place in Code S forgranted.


Teams really has nothing to do with practice. Every player has practiced with other teams players for GSL games. All really depends on who you know and if they decide to help you (as in teammates of someone your facing wont help you practice as they'll help their teammates). If you read the Code S interviews you'd see that every player practices with teammates and other players aswell.
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