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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:08:16
August 18 2012 05:07 GMT
#21
On August 18 2012 13:04 Gotnerves wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 12:57 Dodgin wrote:
I think wax just keeps predicting against mvp so when he finally loses he will look like a genius

I have to laugh at this from the open bracket preview now:

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


Terrible outside GSL, gets first seed in open bracket, wins group stage.


This. And if we go back to last year, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon are not gsl tournies.


On August 18 2012 13:51 Wildmoon wrote:
Wax's usual bias against Mvp. I laught so hard whenever someone say Mvp is not good outside GSL because I am trying to think who has won more than him in international tournament. lol


Actually, Mvp declined in foreign tournaments kind of substantially as his wrist problems grew. Even in his GSL 2 run, he didn't win by beating everyone in every single way possible (as he did in all his other tournament wins), it was through mindgames and planning and stuff (aka stuff only applicable to GSL). What Wax is saying is that after Mvp's wrists have declined, it's become more and more difficult for hiim to stand up in foreign style tournaments where planning takes backseat to mechanics.

EDIT: with that being said, I still think Mvp is favored over SortOf (and am definitely cheering him on, as I have all his other runs), but don't randomly hate.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:16:11
August 18 2012 05:10 GMT
#22
do people really think Mvp planned out every series in gsl s2 this year? lol

he said he only prepared for the first game in the finals

him cheesing a few games in the single elim part of the tournament makes everyone forget mvp vs leenock in the ro16, which is sad cause that series was gooooooooooood.

It's like people think Mvp has become a mid-tier foreigner in skill level just because of his wrists, skill doesn't magically disappear like that. He's playing a lot of mechanical TvZ lately too which is easier on him than marine/tank.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:33:34
August 18 2012 05:29 GMT
#23
On August 18 2012 14:07 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 13:04 Gotnerves wrote:
On August 18 2012 12:57 Dodgin wrote:
I think wax just keeps predicting against mvp so when he finally loses he will look like a genius

I have to laugh at this from the open bracket preview now:

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


Terrible outside GSL, gets first seed in open bracket, wins group stage.


This. And if we go back to last year, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon are not gsl tournies.


Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 13:51 Wildmoon wrote:
Wax's usual bias against Mvp. I laught so hard whenever someone say Mvp is not good outside GSL because I am trying to think who has won more than him in international tournament. lol


Actually, Mvp declined in foreign tournaments kind of substantially as his wrist problems grew. Even in his GSL 2 run, he didn't win by beating everyone in every single way possible (as he did in all his other tournament wins), it was through mindgames and planning and stuff (aka stuff only applicable to GSL). What Wax is saying is that after Mvp's wrists have declined, it's become more and more difficult for hiim to stand up in foreign style tournaments where planning takes backseat to mechanics.

EDIT: with that being said, I still think Mvp is favored over SortOf (and am definitely cheering him on, as I have all his other runs), but don't randomly hate.


If you actually watched the GSL which Mvp won you will know that most of his wins were standard game but people just saw his last game against Squirtle and thought that he cheesed his way to win th GSL. Only serie you can say he mostly cheesed to win was against Naniwa but still he beated Naniwa in standard game in first game.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6789 Posts
August 18 2012 05:36 GMT
#24
MC got this
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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
August 18 2012 05:39 GMT
#25
I guess MVP getting first in his group isn't enough for this writer to realize that he still is good when he doesn't get to plan a set...
hmm... let's think about it
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:10:00
August 18 2012 06:09 GMT
#26
ZvT is SortOf's weakest matchup as well... I'm not going to say he can't win, but he's definitely not the favourite by any stretch of the imagination. Poor Mvp, always the underdog in Wax's writeups. :p
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:26:34
August 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#27
On August 15 2012 22:26 Waxangel wrote:
eh, I can live with Mvp going out in ro 4 or somethign :o



Waxangel curse trlololol

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL



Well, it seems wrong cuz MVP just crushed Grubby / Targa who destoyed Oz and Ace out of this tournament.

btw you forgot MVP won

MLG Anaheim
Blizzcon 2011
WCG 2011
MLG Providence 4th (where he went through the whole tournament from open bracket and recording 26-5 overall)

MVP is also the MVP in the players by players tournament
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VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:27:21
August 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#28
Another WaxAngel's otaku prediction. Like it has been always correct... XDD
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:24:40
August 18 2012 06:20 GMT
#29
"If I predict Sortof to beat Mvp and he does I'll look so smart!" is not a good way to go about writing an article. Stop trying to pretend that Mvp is bad when he is one of the best terrans in the world. It makes the article look stupid.
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
August 18 2012 06:30 GMT
#30
Hey Wax, what's wrong with you? You proved to be always wrong about your thinking over MVP...lol
You seem really stubborn ....like a genius lol (well maybe not really)
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33712 Posts
August 18 2012 06:53 GMT
#31
On August 18 2012 14:10 Dodgin wrote:
do people really think Mvp planned out every series in gsl s2 this year? lol

he said he only prepared for the first game in the finals

him cheesing a few games in the single elim part of the tournament makes everyone forget mvp vs leenock in the ro16, which is sad cause that series was gooooooooooood.

It's like people think Mvp has become a mid-tier foreigner in skill level just because of his wrists, skill doesn't magically disappear like that. He's playing a lot of mechanical TvZ lately too which is easier on him than marine/tank.


I don't really believe him D:
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 07:08:45
August 18 2012 07:05 GMT
#32
Even if you don't believe him It's impossible to plan out every game in the ro32 and ro16. The maps are not pre-set and you don't know who you are going to be going up against in the winners match/losers match/final match.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33712 Posts
August 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#33
god, I love elfi though
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 07:40:07
August 18 2012 07:35 GMT
#34
JESUS , give mvp some credit, he'll roll through those zergs with competant play all day long.

EDIT: i have said this before, but mvp is the only player in sc2 i know of, which is considered dead and gone , if he doesnt win every ´single thing he enters
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 18 2012 08:02 GMT
#35
Bomber > everyone. At least I hope it turns out this way. I agree with the predictions though that he might lose to Violet if it's he that advances.
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Heritas
Profile Joined August 2012
Great Britain2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 08:07:44
August 18 2012 08:05 GMT
#36
WaxAngel : Where can I get odds on YuGiOh representing Korea in he WCS World finals? I'll put all my money on it
(he wrote this on twitter)

Well, Wax I personally recommend you go to some good psychotherapists and heal your unstable mind / impulse control disorders or you will lose all your money to kill yourself in some day

and don't blame teamliquid not to give you a credit as admin cuz I think they are pretty smart.

What about going to sc2gg as you hope?
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
August 18 2012 09:04 GMT
#37
Obvious bias against Mvp here, there's no way he'll lose to SortOf, a player that is way too overrated.

Predicting 3-1 or 3-0 each.
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 09:16:29
August 18 2012 09:15 GMT
#38
Wait, on what planet is Mvp terrible outside of GSL when he's won almost every LAN he's played in? HSCV was ugly but he crushed face at MLG, Blizzcon, and WCG.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 18 2012 10:57 GMT
#39
Why you keep betting against Mvp TL writers
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 18 2012 10:58 GMT
#40
On August 18 2012 18:15 forsooth wrote:
Wait, on what planet is Mvp terrible outside of GSL when he's won almost every LAN he's played in? HSCV was ugly but he crushed face at MLG, Blizzcon, and WCG.

And lost at MLG providence to the eventuala winner (leenock) who would then go on to beat him again in the semifinals of the gsl
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
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