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[MLG] Summer Arena: Draft Review

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July 19th, 2012 23:12 GMT

Summer Arena: Draft Review

By: Waxangel


Consulting by tree.hugger and NrGmonk

2. All Winners Round 1 Matchups will be set by the Players seeded #1-15. Starting with the #1 Seed, Players must choose their Winners Round 1 opponent from the Players seeded #17-32. In Winners Round 1, the #16 Seed will play the Player not chosen.


Update: Now includes post-draft review!

Ever since the above provision showed up in the MLG Arena rulebook last season, we've been excited.

A draft! After tailgaiting and absurd amounts of commercials, there's nothing else that so quintessentially defines American sports. The fact that it was implemented in the most American of leagues, Major League Gaming, was no great surprise. It follows that it should be no surprise to you, dear reader, that we give the draft a very American sports journalism treatment: a mock draft.

Last time, we were only in time to do a belated draft review. This time around, with MLG's live group show coming up, we acquired the seeding list so we could indulge in the time honored tradition of pretending to know better than the players and tell them who they should pick.

Player Seeding
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1. Alicia
2. Sase
3. Puma
4. Stephano
5. Oz
6. Ganzi
7. Alive
8. Grubby
9. Hero
10. Golden
11. SortOf
12. Violet
13. Illusion
14. Taeja
15. Real
16. Sheth

Cut off
17. Ryung
18. Roof
19. Losira
20. qxc
21. Sasquatch
22. Cytoplasm
23. Top
24. Daisy
25. Rain
26. First
27. Welmu
28. Snute
29. Goody
30. Revival
31. Dream
32. Tefel



#1: kr (P)SlayerS_Alicia

Player's Pick: us (Z)Sasquatch

It was the obvious #1 pick to anyone in the West, and it turns out that Alicia also got the memo. Kudos to the SlayerS camp, the foreigners who advised Alicia at NASL, or whoever it was that helped him make this pick. Or maybe it was even Alicia himself, taking the time out to dig through TLPD and liquipedia to scout out his opponents. In any case, congratulations to Alicia on getting the best pick in the draft!

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: us (Z)Sasquatch
A foreign Terran might seem like the natural pick for Alicia, but not when Sasquatch is up for grabs. The elusive, rarely seen Sasquatch was the surprise entrant into this tournament, qualifying after winning games over Binksi and Trimaster, while also receiving two fortunate byes against Insur and Sleep in the qualifier. There have been similarly unknown Arena entrants in the past such as Tefel and Mook, but it's safe to say that Sasquatch comes into this tournament with an even lower profile. It will be all on Sasquatch to prove that he deserves to be in this tournament, and show that he isn't terribly outclassed.

Though he's an obvious first pick in our minds, it's not a given that Alicia will choose to take Sasquatch. Korean players have shown a remarkable lack of knowledge of the international scene in the past, and it wouldn't have been surprising if Alicia hadn't able to distinguish between Nerchio and Sasquatch prior to Homestory. We don't know what kind of information (or misinformation) Alicia received from foreign players at NASL, so don't be surprised to see Sasquatch fall to #2 and get snatched up by SaSe.



#2: se (P)Quantic.SaSe

Player Pick: de (T)ESC.GoOdy


The obvious, best pick for SaSe and his strong PvT was either of the two foreign Terrans. We thought he should pick qxc, but SaSe opted to with the Panzer General GoOdy instead. Honestly there's not much between the two, and SaSe would be strongly favored against either player. Perhaps SaSe just preferred to play a more familiar opponent than risk dealing with a more unpredictable opponent.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: us (T)coL.qxc

SaSe has been an absolute terror in PvT, and he will be looking to pick up a foreign Terran here if Sasquatch isn't up for grabs. He doesn't have much choice in this area, with just GoOdy and qxc representing that contingent. Neither player has been in the championship picture for quite a while now, and SaSe should be able to beat either of them quite handily.

Though it's close, but SaSe should prefer to play qxc because he's American. As we've seen from the TSL4 qualifiers, Americans don't even qualify for tournaments if they're not given their own separate qualification region. Just blindly saying Koreans are better than foreigners was surprisingly valid in 2011, and saying everyone is better than Americans is rapidly becoming the 2012 equivalent.



#3: kr (T)EG.PuMa

Player Pick: fi (P)EC.Welmu


Welmu was the player we thought PuMa would pick, but not necessarily the player we thought he should pick. It's completely understandable if PuMa personally feels better about his TvP and thinks he should avoid TvZ at all costs. But...

Maybe we're just a little higher on Welmu's skill than most. He seems like he's just a little bit too dangerous JUST to take for being a Protoss foreigner. Not with the #3 pick.

In the end, it's really just splitting hairs. PuMa would have been strongly favored against Tefel, Snute, Welmu, or whoever he decided to take at this spot.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: [image loading] (Z)BLAST.Tefel

Welmu might seem like the natural choice here because he's the sole foreign Protoss player available in the pool, but PuMa doesn't absolutely need to take a TvP here. Though it's a match-up he once dominated, it has changed much since the summer of 2011. Now, PuMa is a player with much more well rounded strengths.

While a lot of the foreigners left are players who have been building momentum recently, Tefel has been fairly static. He played surprisingly well at the last Arena by taking out Ret and SeleCT, but he hasn't really been able to build on that performance. It will mean playing the recently feared TvZ, but PuMa should still go with Tefel here.



#4: fr (Z)Mill.Stephano

Player Pick: us (T)coL.qxc


Forget the 11 – 3 against foreign Protoss players last weekend. We still think Stephano's best match-up is post-queen patch ZvT. Exactly like SaSe, the best choice for Stephano was one of the two foreign Terrans, GoOdy or qxc.

Due to the players picking above him, Stephano was almost much guaranteed to get one or the other. Sasquatch was bound to go ASAP, SaSe was definitely taking one of the Terrans, while PuMa was highly unlikely to take a TvT.

There's really nothing to complain about here. This is an A+ steal, because if Stephano had been picking first, it's not unlikely that he would have taken qxc with the #1 overall pick – forgoing Sasquatch because of his own ZvZ aversion.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: de (T)ESC.GoOdy

After seeing him crush MC, HerO, and Alicia at NASL, you may have been led to believe that Stephano's best match-up is ZvT. We beg to differ. Scary as it might seem, we believe that Stephano playing ZvT post-queen patch is even more formidable (and come on, NASL had Bel'Shir Beach and Dual Sight in the map pool). Sorry GoOdy! You're the sacrifice here.



#5: kr (P)FnaticRC Oz

Player Pick: de (Z)BLAST.roof


At #5, this could be a bit of a miss-pick. With Sasquatch and both foreign Terrans surely gone by the fourth pick, Oz was going into the draft knowing he'd be shopping for a European Zerg at #5 (he's wisely given up on PvP for the time being, it appears). That gave him a choice between Cytoplasm, Roof, Snute, and Tefel at this spot. Of the four, we of the belief that Cytoplasm struggles a bit more than the rest at ZvP, and was the best choice for Oz.

That said, it's probably just splitting hairs, as Oz would beat all of them anyway. Well, except maybe Snute...

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: se (Z)Ai.Cytoplasm

After making his now-infamous 'PvP is pure skill' statement, Oz has struggled to maintain even a 40% win-rate at the match-up. He picked Grubby as his opponent at the previous Arena, and got creamed 2 – 0 for his confidence. For pure entertainment's sake, we would love for Oz to take Welmu, Daisy, or First with the fifth pick in the draft.

If he wants to win, however, Cytoplasm represents the best opportunity. Without any foreign Terrans left on the table, Oz is limited to picking from three foreign Zergs in Cytoplasm, Roof, and Snute. All three have rapidly risen to prominence in the European scene, and it wouldn't be a surprise to see any of them cause some serious upsets this tournament. Of the three, Cytoplasm is the one who has the worst ZvP, and is thus Oz's best bet.

An alternative option for Oz here would have been to try and take advantage of SlayerS_Ryung's porous early game TvP defense, but it's hard to justify picking a Code S player over a less established European in any scenario.



#6: kr (T)coL.GanZi

Player Pick: no (Z)GL.Snute


Here are the two most likely ways this pick was made.

1) Ganzi refused to pick a Korean, and rolled the dice on all the remaining foreigners.

2) Someone on Complexity opened up the TLPD profiles, saw Snute's 41% ZvT win rate, and told Ganzi to pick him.

Honestly, we think that Ganzi's TvT is so beastly, and TvZ is so annoying, that he should have just taken a fellow Korean in Rain. But can you really call out a Korean for picking a foreigner out of pure principle? Recent progress says that the day is coming soon when all that will change, but not just yet.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (T)FnaticRC Rain

Symbol's ground-breaking, cold-blooded selection of his countryman Dream in last Arena's draft has opened the way for more Korean on Korean crime in the name of personal gain. It follows that GanZi should have no reservations about picking Rain and his recently lackluster TvT. Like PuMa, Ganzi is a very well rounded player who could pick anyone regardless of race. Looking through the rest of the field, there are a few other bad match-ups Ganzi could look to exploit, like Snute's ZvT, but in the end taking on Rain in a TvT seems marginally favorable.



#7: kr (T)FnaticRC aLive

Player Pick: kr (P)ESC.Daisy


aLive decided to be this tournament's Symbol, ruthlessly picking one of his countrymen to further his own chances at winning. Although, you must wonder if it's actually camaraderie that stops other Korean-Korean picks. Perhaps they are all making 100% rational choices, and they truly believe that most foreigners are just that bad.

In any case, it's a perfect choice for aLive and his strong TvP, and one he might have been expecting. Considering the preferred match-ups of the six players above him, it was unlikely that both foreign Protosses in Daisy (essentially a foreigner) and Welmu would already have been snapped up.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: fi (P)EC.Welmu

aLive looked like he had been hit particularly hard by the Queen patch in the first few weeks following its introduction, but his more recent TvZ performances have looked a lot stronger. Even so, we're still a lot more impressed by his TvP, especially his late-game army control which could seriously be the best in the world. Good thing there's a foreign Protoss left on the board in our projection!

I can't conscientiously mention Welmu without pointing out his capacity for undermining himself and his team with his god-awful sense of humor, but he does happen to be a pretty good player on the side. Honestly, it's a marginal call between him and Daisy here, and it could probably go either way.



#8: nl (P)Grubby

Player Pick: [image loading] (Z)BLAST.Tefel


Fortuitously placed at #8, the cut-off line where foreigners in the draft dry up, Grubby managed to escape with a desirable pick in Tefel. Picking Rain, probably the weakest Korean in the pool, was also an option here, but Grubby instead opted to two-immortal all-in a European Zerg into oblivion. From what we can tell, it still works fairly well in Europe, so why not stick to it?

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: de (Z)BLAST.roof

Roof isn't the ninth scariest player in this pool, but TvZ aversion and other match-up preferences see him survive this long to get picked up by Grubby in our mock draft. It's a minor windfall for Grubby at #8, but with eight Koreans and eight foreigners in the draft pool, he probably can expect to pick a foreigner in this position barring some crazy circumstances. In any case, Grubby can pick between Snute or Roof in this position. Both are good at ZvP, but Snute is a bit better, making Roof the appropriate pick.



#9: kr (P)Liquid`HerO

Player Pick: se (Z)Ai.Cytoplasm


It should be illegal to get such a windfall at #9. Somehow, the combination of four Euro-zergs in the draft pool, and a bunch of TvZ averse Terrans picking in the top eight means that HerO gets to play his best match-up versus one of the best possible opponents for him (only Sasquatch would clearly be a better pick). Yes, HerO got beat down by Stephano at NASL, but so did MC and Alicia. That's more indicative of Stephano being awesome at ZvP (and Bel'Shir and Dual Sight being awful maps) that the skill level of those three Protoss players. Cytoplasm has been running very hot lately, but this will be the toughest challenge he's had in months.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: no (Z)GL.Snute

Congratulations HerO, there's still a foreign Zerg left in the pool at #9. Although, the last time he played a foreign Zerg, it didn't go so well...



#10: kr (Z)GoldenLight

Player Pick: kr (T)TOP


Golden's best match-up is ZvT. TOP and Rain remain on the board. Golden picks TOP.

...What?

Rain and TOP are very similar in how they won GSL silvers and then went on to spend the rest of their careers being terrible compared to their peaks. Even so, wouldn't most people rate TOP at least slightly higher than Rain? Rain's silver came in GSL Open Season 3 (2010), when compared to now, people didn't even know how to play the game. At least TOP got his silver in GSL August (2011), when the quality of GSL games had risen past the "tolerable" line.

We've barely seen anything of TOP in 2012, and we're mostly going by his preliminaries results and inability to break through Code B to judge him. Unless Golden and Rain became fast friends on the international circuit or something like that, then this pick has some negative implications for TOP.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (T)TOP

You would think a former GSL finalist should go later in the draft, but TOP has almost literally done nothing since reaching Code S August finals ten months ago. We can only speculate as to reason for his precipitous decline following his 4 – 1 defeat to Mvp, but in any case, he's put things back together and made a minor comeback in the past few months with good performances in various online qualifiers.

It's not everything that he hoped for, but at #10, it's a pretty palatable pick for Golden. Leveraging ZvT is his best way out of the first round, and he'll be happy to take the long slumping veteran over a recent Code S player like Ryung.



#11: se (Z)WW.SortOf

Player Pick: kr (P)LG-IM First


Seeing as that First is really good, and that he's barely lost any PvZ in his short but colorful career after switching from BW to SC2, I can only interpret this pick by SortOf as incredibly brave and worthy of our applause, or just borderline suicidal.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (Z)TSL_RevivaL

SortOf rolled kind of unexpectedly into this tournament on the back of strong ZvZ (wins over Nerchio x2, Haypro, and Roof) so his best option from the remaining draft pool of only Koreans is fairly obvious. It's either Losira, effectively LG-IM's Zerg ace in the face of Nestea's indifferent GSTL performances, or TSL's rotation player Revival. We picked the latter.

You might rate Revival a little lower than he deserves, considering that TSL recalled Polt and Inori to Korea to play in the GSTL semi-finals while Revival has been left to play in MLG. However, considering that TSL are already three deep at Zerg with Symbol, Shine, and Hyun, it's understandable that they'd give Revival a shot to earn a pool play seed at the Summer Championship.



#12: kr (Z)viOLet

Player Pick: kr (T)FnaticRC Rain


Not much to say here, as the rest of the bracket kind of fills itself automatically. Preferring ZvT, viOLet was left with a choice between Rain and Ryung, and understandably, he took the guy who's not in Code S, and didn't recently beat DongRaeGu on the most Zerg favored map in the GSL.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (P)ESC.Daisy

The reigning Arena champion has a low pick at #12, but in this version of the draft, viOLet should have one player left that he can feel happy picking. Daisy looked good as he qualified for TSL4 over several Europeans, and if Golden and Sleep's performances in America are anything to go by, Daisy could be a regular fixture in the Euro scene for a while. But together in a pool with five recent GSL players, Daisy is definitely the easy choice for viOLet.



#13: us (T)Quantic.Illusion

Player Pick: kr (Z)TSL_RevivaL


With Ryung and Losira pretty clearly the best two players remaining and guaranteed to get pickd last, Illusion was left with an interesting choice between Revival and Dream. Both players are borderline Code A Koreans who have shown glimpses of brilliance, but don't have much semblance of consistency. Illusion hasn't had the best of luck against top players of either race, but it's odd to see him try his hand at the much hated TvZ.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (P)LG-IM First

Though this is just a mock draft, and a lot of things have to happen in a certain order for things to turn out this way, we're still fairly certain about the fearsome foursome Illusion will be picking from at #13: Ryung, Losira, Dream, and First. It's a tough position to be in for Illusion, trying to pick the least-bad of four terrible options.


Ryung is a recently Code S, TvT monster, so he's instantly out of the question. Losira is Zerg, so he's out by default as well. That leaves First and Dream. Dream was good but not great in his first tour of the international circuit, impressing against Terran and Protoss but behind held back by his TvZ like many others Terrans. First hasn't competed internationally yet, but he's kicking up a big cloud of dust as he stampedes through online qualifiers in Korea, picking up the legacy of the elephant that fOrGG has unfortunately failed to live up to. It's a close call, but First's lack of experience in dealing with jet lag and travel gives him the push ahead


#14: kr (T)Liquid`TaeJa

Player Pick: kr (T)MYM.MvP.Dream


Though TypeReal is the player who has the true last pick, Illusion had his own version of the last pick as well. There was no way TaeJa was picking Losira or Ryung, so he ended up taking the player between Revival/Dream that that Illusion decided to leave him.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (T)MYM.MvP.Dream

If Illusion takes First as we projected, then this is an easy choice for TaeJa. Losira's out because he's Zerg. Between Ryung and Dream, Dream is a far more desirable opponent. Ryung's been good at TvT since the same time last year, and he's consistently been one of the most intelligent players in the Terran mirror. Also, he was in Code S Ro16 just this season. Dream's good, but just not on that level.



#15: kr (P)TypeReaL

Player Pick: kr (Z)LG-IMLosirA


#16: us (Z)Liquid`Sheth

Pick: kr (T)SlayerS_Ryung


We've made plenty of fun of Ryung over the months for his bad TvP record, but it was mostly due to the fact that he would constantly get all-in'd in every tournament game we saw. When we saw him get to the mid-late game, he was actually pretty damn good (TaeJa has picked up on his tradition). It's my belief that TypeReal still should have gone for three-gate void rays against Ryung, but if he wants to two-immortal rush Losira to death, then that's fine too!

As for Sheth, he's left with the BAMF award winner of this draft, Ryung. MLG's seeding went pretty well in this case with the #17 seed Ryung actually ending up in the #17 seed place. As the only consistent Code S player in the draft, he was the natural pick to go last. It's hard to tell whether this is good or bad for Sheth, as he gets the best match-up, but also against the most skilled player.

Pre-Draft Analysis
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TL's Pick: kr (Z)LG-IMLosirA

Whether it's because MLG's seeding system has improved, or just because of dumb luck, seeds #1 ~ 16 (the drafters) are actually better on the whole than #17 ~ 32 (the draftees). Compare that to the previous Spring Arena II, where the final six draft picks were Losira, Leenock, viOLet, HuK, MC, and Polt... The final two of Ryung and Losira isn't as scary as the previous final pair of Polt and MC, but we'll gladly sacrifice a more entertaining draft for brackets that make more sense.

One player among sixteen draftees must win the "scariest mofo" award, and it will fall to TypeReal, the Korean who's not really a 'Korean' in the Starcraft II sense, to decide which of his countrymen will receive that honor. Sheth, will have to live with Real's decision, further proving that Americans are destined to be shafted in esports.

On one hand, Real could seek to exploit Ryung's weak early game defenses in TvP. However, that's a hole Ryung has had months to seal up, and once he actually gets to play the mid-late game, he's a very scary fellow. After much deliberation, we've decided that ReaL should just take Losira, gear up to two-immortal all-in / DT all-in every game, and pray.








Writer: WaxAngel.
Graphics: Meko.
Moral Support: R1CH.
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Gezuz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden306 Posts
July 19 2012 23:18 GMT
#2
So when will this draft happen ?

hope it doesnt take 20 min for every decision like it took back in the Code S group pickings otherwise seems cool
MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
July 19 2012 23:20 GMT
#3
thats the same picture you used last time, good pic but still...
HunterXHunter is awesome
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
July 19 2012 23:21 GMT
#4
Illusion has beaten Ryung before, at IPL4, has he not?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 19 2012 23:23 GMT
#5
Oh wow Top is in this tournament...haven't seen him in anything in forever
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
July 19 2012 23:25 GMT
#6
...believe that Stephano's best match-up is ZvT. We beg to differ. Scary as it might seem, we believe that Stephano playing ZvT post-queen patch is even more formidable ...
banelings
Borsti
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany79 Posts
July 19 2012 23:27 GMT
#7
If Stephano would choose Goody ... that would be kinda BM wouldn't it?
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
July 19 2012 23:29 GMT
#8
"After seeing him crush MC, HerO, and Alicia at NASL, you may have been led to believe that Stephano's best match-up is ZvT. We beg to differ. Scary as it might seem, we believe that Stephano playing ZvT post-queen patch is even more formidable (and come on, NASL had Bel'Shir Beach and Dual Sight in the map pool). Sorry GoOdy! You're the sacrifice here."

ZvP?
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Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
July 19 2012 23:30 GMT
#9
Great article, but stephano wont pick goody, he hates going against mech and he said himself at the berlin tournament when he lost to goody in the quarterfinals..
Wampaibist
Profile Joined July 2010
United States478 Posts
July 19 2012 23:35 GMT
#10
Sasquatch will make top 3
PonceDeLEGABE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States117 Posts
July 19 2012 23:37 GMT
#11
On July 20 2012 08:23 Olinim wrote:
Oh wow Top is in this tournament...haven't seen him in anything in forever


Yea i thought it was just me as well i haven't seen TOP in a long time.
Farmer Poopy
Profile Joined October 2011
258 Posts
July 19 2012 23:41 GMT
#12
As usual, nice write up WaxAngel, cool looking graphics Meko. And obviously a big thank you to you R1CH, your morale support made this ten times better
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 19 2012 23:41 GMT
#13
Illusion will pick Dream over First, or any terran that's left. He's gone on record saying it's his best match up.
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juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
July 19 2012 23:50 GMT
#14
This seems like a weird tournament style. Curious to see how it pans out
Siphonn
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States298 Posts
July 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#15
Sasquatch > Alicia 2-1, you heard it here first.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#16
Wow uhh... I realize the American scene isn't doing well but that coment was a tad... harsh
yankjenets
Profile Joined June 2010
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 23:59:23
July 19 2012 23:58 GMT
#17
After seeing him crush MC, HerO, and Alicia at NASL, you may have been led to believe that Stephano's best match-up is ZvT. We beg to differ. Scary as it might seem, we believe that Stephano playing ZvT post-queen patch is even more formidable (and come on, NASL had Bel'Shir Beach and Dual Sight in the map pool).


Small typo. Should say ZvP.

Edit: oops someone else already pointed this out.
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
July 19 2012 23:59 GMT
#18
LOL NICE!
BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
July 20 2012 00:04 GMT
#19
If even half of these drafts occur ill eat my socks!
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Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
July 20 2012 00:06 GMT
#20
I could see SortOf picking Losira instead of Revival. Losira has seemed much weaker than Revival as of recent months.
Cri du Chat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany606 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 00:12:39
July 20 2012 00:11 GMT
#21
Hmm i think Sase should pick Goody, because Goodies TvP is a bit shaky, since you cant play Mech. And i suspect that Stephano will pick a protoss, even a korean, over a terran.
Other than that the list looks plausible i think.
Will be interesting to see, what Sortof can do in this tourney.
RUFinalBoss
Profile Joined May 2012
United States266 Posts
July 20 2012 00:12 GMT
#22
qxc will win
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ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
July 20 2012 00:16 GMT
#23
Taeja will win first place. YOU HEARD IT HERE.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 20 2012 00:19 GMT
#24
I just wanna say watch out for First lol!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
July 20 2012 00:29 GMT
#25
On July 20 2012 08:53 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow uhh... I realize the American scene isn't doing well but that coment was a tad... harsh


But is it wrong ?
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RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 20 2012 00:30 GMT
#26
On July 20 2012 09:04 BadAim wrote:
If even half of these drafts occur ill eat my socks!

Promises to eat clothing on TL only rarely end well.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Mostly[Q]
Profile Joined April 2011
United States34 Posts
July 20 2012 00:40 GMT
#27
When is the draft. I've been trying to find out, but i can't find it posted anywhere...
Will be sad when Bisu joins Ace and shaves his head
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 20 2012 00:46 GMT
#28
It says it is in 15 minutes on the front page, but I can't find a link.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
mikkels
Profile Joined December 2011
24 Posts
July 20 2012 00:47 GMT
#29
it's quite obvious that you didnt see many games of roof
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
July 20 2012 00:47 GMT
#30
Taeja's TvZ is godly, I doubt he's afraid of picking anyone.
Oblivion753
Profile Joined May 2011
United States73 Posts
July 20 2012 00:49 GMT
#31
On July 20 2012 08:53 Siphonn wrote:
Sasquatch > Alicia 2-1, you heard it here first.

I dont know why everyone always underestimates how good Alicia is. He made it all the way to both an MLG Grand Final and an NASL Grand Final. How many other players can say that? And in both of those finals he was matched up against the two best ZvP'ers on the planet. Sorry to Sasquatch, but i would start thinking of some REALLY good cheese play to even have a chance of taking a game off of either SaSe or Alicia.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire
StarNaN
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden35 Posts
July 20 2012 00:50 GMT
#32
Can you please put WW tag infront infront of SortOf (WWSortOf)? We want to have our player identified by our team, as well as the team identified by the player.
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
July 20 2012 00:56 GMT
#33
Assuming no one wants to pull some 'if you want to win you gotta go big' attitude, I will at least agree that the scariest mofo award will between Ryung and LosirA.

I will also agree that the Sasquatch pick is going to boil down to whether Alicia recognizes the gold mine he has or not.

Despite what was said I still think Stephano is going to pick protoss (i.e. Welmu), but I do concede it very well could be GoOdy if he doesn't get snagged before that.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 20 2012 01:02 GMT
#34
Aaaah, want stream!
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
HELLRIDERLICIOUS
Profile Joined July 2012
5 Posts
July 20 2012 01:03 GMT
#35
http://de.twitch.tv/mlg_live


here they will pick the seeds now
Le Tigre
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway6 Posts
July 20 2012 01:03 GMT
#36
I hope TOP performs well, so he'll get picked up by a new team soon! Looking forward to see him after such a long time away from the scene. Also, Snute fighting!
U werent loss
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 20 2012 01:03 GMT
#37
On July 20 2012 10:03 HELLRIDERLICIOUS wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/mlg_live


here they will pick the seeds now


Thank you!
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 01:04:43
July 20 2012 01:04 GMT
#38
I would think that SaSe would pick GoOdy. Even though Americans are generally worse then Europeans, GoOdy's TvP is not only not particularly good, it's more predictable then the wacky builds that qxc might have up his sleeve.

Also, Daisy is not going to get picked after RevivaL. I would even say that Daisy would go before TOP, except that Golden has great ZvT and he probably would feel more comfortable against TOP. RevivaL has beastly ZvZ, to the point that I could even see him going after LG-IM First since viOlet would have to pick between the two. He's proven himself more vZ and then First and that seems to be his best match-up. Plus, viOlet's ZvP generally seems better (and ZvP has always been a bit more stable of a match-up then ZvZ) I think it will go something more like this:
+ Show Spoiler [11 through 16] +
11. SortOf : ESC.Daisy
12. viOlet : LG-IM First
13. Quantic.Illusion : MYM.MvP.Dream
14. Liquid`Taeja : TSL.RevivaL
15. ReaL : LosirA
16. Liquid`Sheth : SlayerS_Ryung
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
July 20 2012 01:14 GMT
#39
You should just hire Apollo for the next Draft preview
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 20 2012 01:16 GMT
#40
On July 20 2012 10:14 saksy2 wrote:
You should just hire Apollo for the next Draft preview


Lol yeah, pretty sick insight!
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 01:17:55
July 20 2012 01:17 GMT
#41
TL writer is 1 for 8 right now? Not bad.
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
July 20 2012 01:37 GMT
#42
TOP has done nothing . . ? Are you crazy? If you look at all of the qualifiers, mini tournaments (ESV, what have you), etc., you will see TOP getting way way waay fair into them every time. Sure, getting to the finals in the qualifiers isn't exactly something to brag about, but getting that far every time is better than many korean players can brag about.
hmm... let's think about it
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
July 20 2012 01:45 GMT
#43
On July 20 2012 08:53 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow uhh... I realize the American scene isn't doing well but that coment was a tad... harsh

Honestly it was entirely accurate. Around now I'm starting to like even Kazachstan's chances in a match against them.
Exya
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada54 Posts
July 20 2012 01:46 GMT
#44
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/summer-sc2-arena-choose-which-matches-we-broadcast

does that mean the brackets are released now?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 20 2012 01:49 GMT
#45
Alicia gets 2nd place. New foreign Kong
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
July 20 2012 01:57 GMT
#46
On July 20 2012 08:53 Siphonn wrote:
Sasquatch > Alicia 2-1, you heard it here first.


heard it there first and will be the last.. probably the worst predition i ever seen EVER.
cndaks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States95 Posts
July 20 2012 02:04 GMT
#47
nice people..~ lookioing forward to this one
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
July 20 2012 02:04 GMT
#48
On July 20 2012 10:17 Megakenny wrote:
TL writer is 1 for 8 right now? Not bad.


Meanwhile Apollo was like 14/16
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
July 20 2012 02:07 GMT
#49
On July 20 2012 10:57 naux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 08:53 Siphonn wrote:
Sasquatch > Alicia 2-1, you heard it here first.


heard it there first and will be the last.. probably the worst predition i ever seen EVER.

yea me too, that is the worst prediction ever. Sasquatch will 2-0 Alicia, Alicia won't even take a map.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
July 20 2012 02:10 GMT
#50
Rofl I love how you guys used the same picture again for the preview image of this thread on the front page.

Such a fantastic pic
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
SwansGoMoo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States145 Posts
July 20 2012 02:14 GMT
#51
That picture still cracks me up.

"Dat ass..."
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
July 20 2012 02:17 GMT
#52
On July 20 2012 11:07 Lennient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 10:57 naux wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:53 Siphonn wrote:
Sasquatch > Alicia 2-1, you heard it here first.


heard it there first and will be the last.. probably the worst predition i ever seen EVER.

yea me too, that is the worst prediction ever. Sasquatch will 2-0 Alicia, Alicia won't even take a map.

Yeah pretty much.

Out of all the foreign Zergs, Sasquatch's ZvP is actually really really good.

Not a good matchup for Alicia to pick him into, even if the "results gap" is huge.
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QXC_Fanboy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States35 Posts
July 20 2012 02:19 GMT
#53
I am super excited for the matchups that have arisen. Qxc Stephano is one i want to see, also im paying close attention to Sasquatch, in addition to this i like Sortof's odds vs First and I have hopes that Illusion vs Revival will be a great set.
"Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination"
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 20 2012 02:21 GMT
#54
On July 20 2012 11:17 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 11:07 Lennient wrote:
On July 20 2012 10:57 naux wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:53 Siphonn wrote:
Sasquatch > Alicia 2-1, you heard it here first.


heard it there first and will be the last.. probably the worst predition i ever seen EVER.

yea me too, that is the worst prediction ever. Sasquatch will 2-0 Alicia, Alicia won't even take a map.

Yeah pretty much.

Out of all the foreign Zergs, Sasquatch's ZvP is actually really really good.

Not a good matchup for Alicia to pick him into, even if the "results gap" is huge.


Surely you aren't saying that Sasquatch is favored against Alicia?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
July 20 2012 02:34 GMT
#55
Holy shit I am blown away by how accurate the TL draft picks were. Almost completely spot on.

There were a few deviations early on that were specifically mentioned in the TL predictions as alternative picks that changed quite a few other picks, but if you follow the changes through the TL predictions are ridiculously accurate. Well done, whoever made those picks.
JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
July 20 2012 02:39 GMT
#56
Ryung Fighting!!
"I'm naturally good at everything. I'm good at eating too, so that's why I can't lose weight."
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 20 2012 02:48 GMT
#57
On July 20 2012 11:04 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 10:17 Megakenny wrote:
TL writer is 1 for 8 right now? Not bad.


Meanwhile Apollo was like 14/16

Wait, was he actually that close? If so Apollo is a fucking god.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 20 2012 02:50 GMT
#58
Hmmm, PuMa picking Welmu really messed up the rest of our draft. We were very very wary of Welmu; I think PuMa would have no trouble against a foreign zerg, but by picking Welmu, one of Europe's more dangerous protsses, he''s inviting a bit of danger. Doesn't mean PuMa won't win, but Welmu is a much stronger player than the third picking would suggest. Certainly better than Daisy, whom PuMa avoided.
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Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
July 20 2012 02:56 GMT
#59
On July 20 2012 11:50 tree.hugger wrote:
Hmmm, PuMa picking Welmu really messed up the rest of our draft. We were very very wary of Welmu; I think PuMa would have no trouble against a foreign zerg, but by picking Welmu, one of Europe's more dangerous protsses, he''s inviting a bit of danger. Doesn't mean PuMa won't win, but Welmu is a much stronger player than the third picking would suggest. Certainly better than Daisy, whom PuMa avoided.

Koreans will always avoid picking another Korean I think, even a Korean living in Europe.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 02:59:36
July 20 2012 02:59 GMT
#60
On July 20 2012 11:04 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 10:17 Megakenny wrote:
TL writer is 1 for 8 right now? Not bad.


Meanwhile Apollo was like 14/16

I didn't watch, but I would imagine Apollo was picking with the knowledge of the previous pick in mind i.e. knowing who was out? That would be a completely different and much easier kind of thing than predicting how everything rolls out from start to finish.
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Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
July 20 2012 03:03 GMT
#61
On July 20 2012 11:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 11:04 Dexington wrote:
On July 20 2012 10:17 Megakenny wrote:
TL writer is 1 for 8 right now? Not bad.


Meanwhile Apollo was like 14/16

I didn't watch, but I would imagine Apollo was picking with the knowledge of the previous pick in mind i.e. knowing who was out? That would be a completely different and much easier kind of thing than predicting how everything rolls out from start to finish.

He was but only partially. He picked on the spot but forgot to cross of his paper list, resulting in one of his mistakes being due to picking a player that was already picked. (At least so I remember)
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 20 2012 03:03 GMT
#62
On July 20 2012 11:56 Adebisi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 11:50 tree.hugger wrote:
Hmmm, PuMa picking Welmu really messed up the rest of our draft. We were very very wary of Welmu; I think PuMa would have no trouble against a foreign zerg, but by picking Welmu, one of Europe's more dangerous protsses, he''s inviting a bit of danger. Doesn't mean PuMa won't win, but Welmu is a much stronger player than the third picking would suggest. Certainly better than Daisy, whom PuMa avoided.

Koreans will always avoid picking another Korean I think, even a Korean living in Europe.

Doesn't mean it's the best decision!
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 20 2012 03:04 GMT
#63
On July 20 2012 11:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 11:04 Dexington wrote:
On July 20 2012 10:17 Megakenny wrote:
TL writer is 1 for 8 right now? Not bad.


Meanwhile Apollo was like 14/16

I didn't watch, but I would imagine Apollo was picking with the knowledge of the previous pick in mind i.e. knowing who was out? That would be a completely different and much easier kind of thing than predicting how everything rolls out from start to finish.

I'm watching it now, thats exactly how he did it. He wasn't completely specific with players, he'd pick 2-3 choices that the player would make.
http://www.twitch.tv/mlg_live/b/325523111
Starts around 15 minutes in.
Despite that, Apollo did insanely well, to the point that JP had to remind the viewers that Apollo wasn't cheating and was making the predictions legitimately.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 20 2012 03:04 GMT
#64
Sasquatch fighting!
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
July 20 2012 03:35 GMT
#65
qxc pull the upset IN AMERICA

sorry stephano, you arent a true american
and my axe
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 04:14:16
July 20 2012 04:13 GMT
#66
whoops
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 05:46:32
July 20 2012 05:45 GMT
#67
picks can be found here:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena
KDN
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway96 Posts
July 20 2012 06:52 GMT
#68
Hero - Stephano in winners bracket 4, calling it now.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 20 2012 07:00 GMT
#69
Stephano's gona kick everybody's teeth out!Trust me he got this...it's in the bag.
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
July 20 2012 07:14 GMT
#70
On July 20 2012 12:35 13JackaL wrote:
qxc pull the upset IN AMERICA

sorry stephano, you arent a true american

Sure he is, haven't you seen this video?
+ Show Spoiler +
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
July 20 2012 07:56 GMT
#71
Damn qxc, I'm fucking rooting for you!

You'd better fuck shit up.

"The surest way to win, is to determine to succeed."

.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
July 20 2012 08:11 GMT
#72
Uhhh, I thought top 8 from Spring Champ are seeded into arena. Where's DRG? Where's MKP? This list makes no sense.
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
July 20 2012 09:18 GMT
#73
to me TOP and sortof are the most interesting players in this
really interested if they can do something here
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
July 20 2012 09:29 GMT
#74
stephano will never pick goody after his loss against him in berlin (and goody will be pick first by alica) and grubby will never pick roof. I hope that sortof will make a great run, because he is playing really good lately.
Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
July 20 2012 13:01 GMT
#75
On July 20 2012 16:56 Qwyn wrote:


You'd better fuck shit up.


.


Thats nasty man
Toast and coffe
kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
July 20 2012 15:28 GMT
#76
Awesome write up... Loving the mock draft style post..... things ended up panning out differently than many of the predictions but well worth the read anyways.
rG
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
July 20 2012 16:08 GMT
#77
I am hoping LosirA will come to play instead of being the tourist and enjoying the trip to the US. His play often is as good as ever his mental state seems shaky ever sinds ... Oh well Hoping for a Grubby showing aswell :D
solidONE
Profile Joined August 2010
United States160 Posts
July 20 2012 18:07 GMT
#78
i seriously don't get why TOP got shit on so bad in this. I have a feeling he's going to show better games than expected. And as for doing nothing, qualifying for OSL over a lot of people that should have is a start considering he's teamless and his only avenue to really show performance is to qualify for GSL again, which isn't exactly easy.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 18:13:18
July 20 2012 18:11 GMT
#79
This article needs to be cleaned up. You should hire someone (me) to proof read these things.


While a lot of the foreigners left are players who have been building moment recently,


After seeing him crush MC, HerO, and Alicia at NASL, you may have been led to believe that Stephano's best match-up is ZvT. We beg to differ. Scary as it might seem, we believe that Stephano playing ZvT post-queen patch is even more formidable


Good overall read though. Stephano is likely going to face 2 ZvZ's after QXC, so the bottom half of the bracket is hard to predict. I can see Alicia coming out of the top half, he has some nasty all-ins for Ryung if he advances vs Sheth.

I also think Puma was correct in picking Welmu. Tefel is good and TvZ is tough these days.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
July 20 2012 18:16 GMT
#80
Man, whoever writes these arcticles for TL definitely doesn't know much about the European scene and is very biased towards Koreans. I really want to enjoy these articles, but it just doesn't work out.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
July 20 2012 18:19 GMT
#81
On July 21 2012 03:16 Champloo wrote:
Man, whoever writes these arcticles for TL definitely doesn't know much about the European scene and is very biased towards Koreans. I really want to enjoy these articles, but it just doesn't work out.


I know the european scene and think there are no "big" mistakes in there. Which points are throwing you off?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 20 2012 18:23 GMT
#82
On July 20 2012 08:21 Dexington wrote:
Illusion has beaten Ryung before, at IPL4, has he not?


No, but sheth certainly did
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 20 2012 18:24 GMT
#83
+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry GoOdy! You're the sacrifice here.



LOL
<3 bw
iDrone
Profile Joined December 2010
United States176 Posts
July 20 2012 18:31 GMT
#84
does waxangel have to be so...critical? I know, your beloved esport is fading before your very own eyes, but seriously dude.
The way you talk frequently talk about players is I think pretty harsh. What gives you the right? Besides jerking off TL x years ago when you got this gig?
Do you even have 100 games played off sc2? I would own you in any best of series and I have no idea how much you play, just that you are retarded for the way you pretend to know about players. All you have is the fact sheets and you just throw an opinion along with it; quite sad coming from such an esteemed TL.
You think they would be able to find someone who is actually passionate. Not a burnt out old fart who is completely groggy and delusional, at best.
Toodles!

User was temp banned for this post.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
July 20 2012 18:41 GMT
#85
is "2 immo rush" the new equivalent of pvz?
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
July 20 2012 18:48 GMT
#86
You have some formatting problems at #14-15-16

Cheers. I hope Sase and Sephano win it all. Sase with the harder braket ;-(.
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 19:05:59
July 20 2012 18:59 GMT
#87
On July 20 2012 08:27 Borsti wrote:
If Stephano would choose Goody ... that would be kinda BM wouldn't it?


I hate how people always under rate GoOdy. He beat Stephano in the Battle of Berlin and lost to Nerchio in the finals. If you made that statement about Nerchio vs GoOdy then I would say you are right - he's beat GoOdy in something like 14 consecutive times in tournament matches. Nerchio is to GoOdy like GoOdy is to Cloud (of course Cloud never wins vs GoOdy is my point).
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
July 20 2012 18:59 GMT
#88
Pretty accurate TL I must say ^^ A lot of them being entirely correct and in many other cases the player have chosen another player of that race.

Some picks are also really weird, like Sortof, I have no idea why he would pick First. He is known as an ZvZ expert (for good reasons) and zerg has overall good results against terran... and then somehow he chooses a top Korean Protoss...



"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 20 2012 19:05 GMT
#89
Seems whomever wrote the post draft is still living in 2011 where every tournament was top 15 Korean. Hey TL you might want to look up the last 5 months of tournament.

The attitude l8tly on these forums remind me about the Iraqi Infomation minister!

[image loading]
WE ARE STILL GETTING TOP 15 IN EVERY TOURNAMENT.
WE JUST GOT BAD LUCK AND BAD MAPS!
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
July 20 2012 19:15 GMT
#90
It's funny that it turns out that there is only 1 mirror matchup xD
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 20 2012 19:22 GMT
#91
On July 21 2012 03:59 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Pretty accurate TL I must say ^^ A lot of them being entirely correct and in many other cases the player have chosen another player of that race.

Some picks are also really weird, like Sortof, I have no idea why he would pick First. He is known as an ZvZ expert (for good reasons) and zerg has overall good results against terran... and then somehow he chooses a top Korean Protoss...

I agree, I don't know why the article gets so much criticism.
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
July 20 2012 19:26 GMT
#92
Very impressed with the results of the draft. I loved the write ups as well. I'd like to point out, under the Stephano section, you refer to his ZvP as ZvT twice in a row. Just a small typo.
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chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
July 20 2012 19:44 GMT
#93
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?
Keytar
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada156 Posts
July 20 2012 19:45 GMT
#94
For how hard it is to get them all right when even one player deviating from your predictions screws the whole thing up, this was fairly close to what happened. I'm really impressed by your accuracy.
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Eko200
Profile Joined December 2010
United States101 Posts
July 20 2012 19:50 GMT
#95
I'm calling it here, QXC is going to beat Stephano. He has time to prepare for him, he has all killed a Korean team, and Stephano probably won't prepare for QXC specifically.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 21:07:19
July 20 2012 20:06 GMT
#96
Stephano picking Goody would have been terrible, he lost his last series vs him when he was godly in ZvT. Goody's style is pretty good vs stephano and they have pretty even record against each other.
Primal666
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovenia418 Posts
July 20 2012 20:07 GMT
#97
it will be fun to see if any ''picked'' players will beat their pickers:D
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
July 20 2012 20:15 GMT
#98
On July 21 2012 04:22 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:59 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Pretty accurate TL I must say ^^ A lot of them being entirely correct and in many other cases the player have chosen another player of that race.

Some picks are also really weird, like Sortof, I have no idea why he would pick First. He is known as an ZvZ expert (for good reasons) and zerg has overall good results against terran... and then somehow he chooses a top Korean Protoss...

I agree, I don't know why the article gets so much criticism.


Yep I also agree. I dont follow every playhem or other smaller cups, but I think I have pretty good knowledge of the eu scene and there arent any big flaws in it. Ofc there is always room for discussion.
But I love the writeups. This and the power rankings are my favourite content on tl. Keep it up !!!
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
July 20 2012 20:26 GMT
#99
On July 21 2012 04:44 chadissilent wrote:
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?


Well, compare Sasquatch to the other 15 picked players. He's unrecognizable, and the second I saw him matched to Alicia, I sighed inside. Fact is, if you aren't making a splash in the scene within popular tournament streams, you're going to be sniped by the best.

If you have any Sasquatch VODs, I'd love to see how well he plays. He'd easily stomp both of us, but do you think he's really in the leagues of Alicia, SaSe, or PuMa?
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heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 20:55:04
July 20 2012 20:54 GMT
#100
On July 21 2012 05:26 BlueBoxSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 04:44 chadissilent wrote:
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?


Well, compare Sasquatch to the other 15 picked players. He's unrecognizable, and the second I saw him matched to Alicia, I sighed inside. Fact is, if you aren't making a splash in the scene within popular tournament streams, you're going to be sniped by the best.

If you have any Sasquatch VODs, I'd love to see how well he plays. He'd easily stomp both of us, but do you think he's really in the leagues of Alicia, SaSe, or PuMa?


Man no offense to Scarlett, but when you use her as an example of someone good to compare to, it just seems silly. Because the NA scene is really dead. I'd love for anyone in the NA to have a shot at Code A but that boat has sailed many moons ago.

The logic for when you're trying to show someone being "good" should be:

1. Will that person do well in code A (make it past code B qual, then make it past Ro48)?
If yes, do that.
If no, that person is no good.

Sucks the level of competition is so high, but code A really should be the bottom bar for "good". Considering we have at least 32 top class players ahead of that bar already.

-edit oops was referring to the embedded quote, not the one I quote
AngelOvUriel
Profile Joined April 2011
Cuba91 Posts
July 20 2012 21:18 GMT
#101
How dare you leave TypeReaL blank... what is the meaning of this..
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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
July 20 2012 21:24 GMT
#102
Ryung is going to win this
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BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
July 20 2012 21:40 GMT
#103
On July 21 2012 05:54 heartlxp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:26 BlueBoxSC wrote:
On July 21 2012 04:44 chadissilent wrote:
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?


Well, compare Sasquatch to the other 15 picked players. He's unrecognizable, and the second I saw him matched to Alicia, I sighed inside. Fact is, if you aren't making a splash in the scene within popular tournament streams, you're going to be sniped by the best.

If you have any Sasquatch VODs, I'd love to see how well he plays. He'd easily stomp both of us, but do you think he's really in the leagues of Alicia, SaSe, or PuMa?


Man no offense to Scarlett, but when you use her as an example of someone good to compare to, it just seems silly. Because the NA scene is really dead. I'd love for anyone in the NA to have a shot at Code A but that boat has sailed many moons ago.

The logic for when you're trying to show someone being "good" should be:

1. Will that person do well in code A (make it past code B qual, then make it past Ro48)?
If yes, do that.
If no, that person is no good.

Sucks the level of competition is so high, but code A really should be the bottom bar for "good". Considering we have at least 32 top class players ahead of that bar already.

-edit oops was referring to the embedded quote, not the one I quote


Alright, but no NA player is good by that logic, right?
I'd love someone from NA (especially America) to succeed overseas, but the fact is that it probably isn't going to be Sasquatch.

I'm not using Scarlett as a model, but you can't really deny that she's great, comparative to the North American scene. Hopefully Sasquatch will smash the MLG, but we can't be that hopeful. D:
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chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
July 21 2012 22:34 GMT
#104
Sasquatch almost 2-0's Alicia, then beats TL's very own Sheth in the next round. But please, flame on.
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
July 22 2012 11:17 GMT
#105
On July 22 2012 07:34 chadissilent wrote:
Sasquatch almost 2-0's Alicia, then beats TL's very own Sheth in the next round. But please, flame on.


It's easier to just assume unknown = bad..shouldn't really take it as the writer flaming. Sheth did worse tho lol
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 22 2012 18:07 GMT
#106
On July 21 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seems whomever wrote the post draft is still living in 2011 where every tournament was top 15 Korean. Hey TL you might want to look up the last 5 months of tournament.
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