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July 18th, 2012 22:38 GMT
  • GSL on Liquipedia
  • Code A Ro32: Day Two Recap
  • Code S Semi-finals: Byun vs SeeD Preview
  • Code S Semi-finals: DRG vs MC Preview

Code A Ro32: Day Two Recap


By: Fionn


Results from Live Report Thread by Probe1.
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
aLive vs GanZi
(T)aLive <Entombed Valley> (T)GanZi
(T)aLive <ESV Ohana RE> (T)GanZi
(T)aLive <ESV ClouD Kingdom> (T)GanZi
GanZi forfeits due to wrist issues.
(T)aLive wins 2-0!

SangHo vs PartinG
(P)SangHo <Crux Atlantis Spaceship> (P)PartinG
(P)SangHo <Crux Metropolis> (P)PartinG
(P)SangHo <Antiga Shipyard> (P)PartinG

(P)PartinG wins 2-0!

Life vs Leenock
(Z)Life <Crux Daybreak> (Z)Leenock
(Z)Life <Crux Atlantis Spaceship> (Z)Leenock
(Z)Life <ESV Ohana RE> (Z)Leenock

(Z)Leenock wins 2-0!

Polt vs Maru
(T)Polt <Crux Metropolis> Maru
(T)Polt <Crux Whirlwind> Maru
(T)Polt <ESV Ohana RE> Maru

(T)Polt wins 2-1!



HerO vs MMA
(P)HerO <Entombed Valley> (T)MMA
(P)HerO <ESV ClouD Kingdom> (T)MMA
(P)HerO <Antiga Shipyard> (T)MMA

(T)MMA wins 2-0!

Oz vs YoDa
(P)Oz <ESV Ohana RE> (T)YoDa
(P)Oz <Crux Whirlwind> (T)YoDa
(P)Oz <Crux Daybreak> (T)YoDa

(T)YoDa wins 2-0!

Shine vs Ace
(Z)Shine <Crux Metropolis>AcE
(Z)Shine <Antiga Shipyard> AcE
(Z)Shine <ESV ClouD Kingdom> AcE

(Z)Shine wins 2-1!

Puzzle vs Curious
(P)Puzzle <ESV ClouD Kingdom> (Z)Curious
(P)Puzzle <Crux Whirlwind> (Z)Curious
(P)Puzzle <Crux Atlantis Spaceship> (Z)Curious

(Z)Curious wins 2-1!


Let's Party Like It's 2011
- Polt, MMA and Leenock continue to work out of their 2012 slumps and head towards the final stage of Code A

With FXO, TSL and Slayers all in the GSTL semifinals in a few nights, all three teams (maybe less so Slayers) can take some pleasure in seeing their 2011 aces start to play like their old selves in the GSL. With all three having made it to GSL finals last year, none have reached the semifinals of Code S this year and are fighting to get out of Code A.

Leenock and Polt were faced up against two players of their respective race who were younger, had more hype and even could be considered the favorites against the former GSL finalists. Leenock was able to halt the Life hype train for a bit, outplaying Startale's new Zerg in two straight games and being the first player to make Life look outclassed in ZvZ since he broke through in GSTL this season.

Polt, who has had high placing after high placing in foreign tournaments this year, hadn't been doing well in the GSL, but after swearing off of streaming and international events for the time being, he showed why he can still be considered one of the better Terrans in the world. He failed a proxy marauder rush in game one that he could have won with if he was a bit more decisive, but came back in the next two games with strong play to take down the young prodigy of Prime. Neither Leenock or Polt are in Code S yet, but if they play at the level they've showed so far, you will see them back again in no time.

Finally, we get to MMA. Everyone wanted to know if he would show up in a Slayers uniform (he did), and if he would be too fazed with all the drama going on to be able to beat a tough player in Hero (he wasn't). Hero, who has been traveling around the world and been playing in foreign event after foreign event, didn't play up the level he is capable of and got punished for it. Statistically by far his worst match-up, MMA was able to smash Hero in a TvP and win a match with Violet next week for a Code S spot. Still, with a sulky expression after his blowout victory, you have to wonder how this MMA and Slayers drama will end.

The Royal Road Calls
- Yoda and Shine, two possible Royal Road candidates for Code S Season Four, put on impressive showings against Oz and AcE.

In Season One it was Parting. He got to the quarterfinals with the hype of a thousand storms, but got absolutely flattened by eventual champion DongRaeGu when they met.

For Season Two it was Squirtle. Unlike his teammate Parting, he was able to get all the way to the finals and closer than anyone ever has at completing the royal road. He was all-in defense away from being crowned the Protoss President, Royal Roader, and GSL Champion, but failed to capture all three and lost to Mvp.

This season, it was Symbol. He had maybe even more hype behind him than Parting and Squirtle, got through two Groups of Death and was one game away from making it to the semifinals. Then, well, he kinda choked, got beaten down and eliminated in the quarterfinals by a celebrating Seed.

Now, with the fourth season of Code S soon approaching, we will be looking for our next player who we can hype to become the first royal roader - before he flames out fantastically and we start the process all over. At this point, it's practically a GSL tradition. So far in this Code A, Yoda and Shine have both put on back-to-back performances that make them the leading Royal Road hype candidates, should they make it all the way into Code S.

Yoda, who already eliminated a GSL veteran and golden mouse winner in July, went on to do the same thing to former Code S semifinalist and OSL Ro16 competitor Oz in commanding fashion. Known for his manner mule celebrations, Yoda didn't let his fans down by dropping his trademark manner mules in both games when he felt that Oz was done for. Oz, a very good player in his own right, just couldn't stop Yoda's constant harassment and fell to LG-IM's royal road hopeful.

Shine, who we shall just call the Grim Reaper, took out Ace in an encore performance from his eliminating of Virus last season. Virus and Ace have both been players haven't been the most popular Code S players in their careers, and Shine mercilessly culled them from Code A as well. With Symbol and Hyun - another player who could go for the royal road next season - helping him in the TSL house, Shine is a player to watch out for. Next up he will face by far his toughest test of Code S season when he takes on his captain and teammate Polt in the final stage of Code A.

Steady As She Goes
- Parting and Curious continue their consistent play and get one step closer back to Code S.

Not much to talk about about these two. Killer talked big, said his PvP was unbeatable, and even after his good results lately, got crushed by Parting. Killer had a few cute ideas and tried to take Parting off his game, but the Startale Protoss's control and micro was just too good for anything Killer could think of.

Puzzle, who has now kinda-somewhat-I-guess become Slayers ace after MMA's official demotion, didn't give his team the best confidence boost. While SlayerS' old ace was able to take out Hero in a 2-0 slaughter, Puzzle got beat 2-1 by Curious and was knocked into Up-and-Downs. Curious continues his consistent streak of staying in Code S and doing absolutely nothing when getting there, but fans of Curious and Startale can always hope that after enough tries, he'll finally have his breakout season.

Code S Semi-finals: Byun vs Seed Preview


By: Fionn

(T)ByunPrime vs. (P)LG-IMSeed

Antiga Shipyard - Metropolis - Ohana - Atlantis Spaceship - Daybreak


  • (T)ByunPrime

    Strengths
    – Great in TvP and an array of aggressive builds.
    – Has MKP and Creator, two of the best TvP/PvT'ers in the world, to help him prepare.
    – Has more Code S experience than his opponent.

    Weaknesses
    – Even if he wins, MarineKing will still have more Twitter followers.
    – His all-in prone TvP might be figured out sooner rather than later.

    Ideal winning scenario: Wins in three or four games and shows us that not only can he play aggressive TvP, long, drawn out macro games as well.

    Craziest winning scenario: Does proxy double rax every single game. Wins. Terran gets a nerf the next day thanks to Byun.
  • (P)LG-IMSeed

    Strengths:
    – An all-around great player with a strong early game.
    – Was down 0-2 and against the ropes, but still had the composure to come back and win 3-2.
    – If he makes it to the finals and actually wins, he might dive into the ocean.

    Weaknesses
    – PvT is not his strongest match-up and he already lost to Byun once this season.
    – Is Protoss and those guys never win GSL.

    Ideal winning scenario: Defends against one or two of Byun's aggressive attacks, proves to be the better player in the late-game, and advances to the finals with another strong victory to prove once again he is the real deal.

    Craziest winning scenario: Goes down 0-2 in the series. Byun starts to dance his marines, Seed somehow comes back and takes the next three games in a row. Seed caps off the night with his most interesting ceremony yet.


On the other half of the bracket, you have two of the most decorated players in the history of Starcraft 2. MC, the only GSL Protoss champion and the player with the most money earned so far in the scene. DongRaeGu, the Code S champion from two seasons ago, and not just a GSTL champion but a GSTL legend. They are two of the most popular players in the world playing to see who will get a spot in the final.

On this side of the bracket, you have two players who came in last in place in the Ro8 polling. Byun, a lanky, eccentric fellow with a weird controversy cloud always hanging over his head. First it was his long suspension from his incident with Coca a year ago, and now it is all about the missing neutral supply depot on Metropolis that Byun keenly noticed and exploited to beat Nestea in the first game of their quarter-final series. I'm pretty sure if the studios ever burn down and someone sees a picture of Byun with a water bottle, they'll blame him for not running fast enough to put out the flames with his water.

Seed is that one guy who no one really thought would get this far [*Hipster editor laughs*], but he gave his doubters the figurative middle-finger by downing his honey flavored beverage for the cameras as he came back from a 0-2 hole to beat Symbol in the quarterfinals. With his massive confidence, all-around good play, and never-say-die attitude, Seed has turned himself from a player no one thought could win into a player who has a real shot of being the first Protoss champion in over 400 days.

Byun: No One's Sidekick Anymore

When Byun first joined Prime, it wasn't a surprise to many. It had been seen countless times during group selections that even while on ZeNex, Byun and MarineKing were the closest of friends and always talking during nominations. With many of ZeNex's best players such as Puzzle, Hack and Coca all leaving for greener pastures, it seemed natural when Byun finally left to join his friend's team.

With his suspension coming not long after joining Prime, it was a long while before we actually got to see Byun play for his new team. During this time, MarineKing went on a tear in the international scene, winning and getting to the finals of almost every single MLG tournament. Byun was still getting his accounts atop the Korean Grandmaster ladder and having insane winning percentages, but it didn't matter when the rest of his team, especially MKP, were winning actual tournaments while he couldn't even play in an official match.

When he returned, he was seen as MarineKing's new Terran sidekick. Yeah, MarineKing in one interview admitted that he believed Byun was the strongest Terran on Prime, but that was brushed off as MKP being humble and being nice to his friend who was going through a rough patch. Even with his victories in the GSTL and qualification back into Code A, people still were going, 'Oh, Byun? Yeah, he's pretty good. No MarineKing, but you know, he's decent.'

We all know what happened next. Byun and MarineKing helping their team win the GSTL championship in Las Vegas, Byun made it through Code A and the Up-and-Downs and then finally into Code S. Considered one of the better Terrans in the field, Byun was seen as a player who could possibly make a Ro16 or maybe a quarterfinal if he got lucky. All the eyes were on MarineKing to see if he finally could conquer the GSL and win his first title.

Byun and MarineKing both got through their Ro32 groups. MarineKing went 0-2 in his next group and was eliminated from yet another GSL before reaching a quarterfinal. Byun? He kept winning...and winning...and winning. The oft-ignored sidekick was able to get to his second quarterfinal in Code S history and then smash three-time champion Nestea when he got there.

In a lot of ways, this parallels the same story MarineKing had a year ago in the summer of the Super Tournament. Polt was his goofy sidekick and everyone believed that it was MarineKing's time to finally take a GSL championship. MarineKing eventually lost, and Polt went on to beat MMA 4-0 in the finals to become Prime's first title holder and their OptimusPrime. Now, Polt is gone off to TSL, Byun has been slid into the goofy sidekick role and now on the same storyline of a year ago.

Byun is not the Robin to MarineKing's Batman. If he continues winning, you will have to start calling MarineKing the Bumblebee to Byun's OptimusPrime.

Seed: Confidence of a Champion

Picked by 1% of people to win the championship in the polls, and down 0-2 to the most hyped up Zerg in the world, Seed looked all but done for. The first two games were close and all, but did it really matter? Symbol was rolling through everyone like a runaway train and Seed was just the cannon fodder for him to build his legacy off of. Seed then proceeded to calmly mount a comeback, choking out Symbol in one of the greatest collapses and comebacks in GSL history.

What does that tell you about Seed? He must have an irrational sense of confidence. Even down a game in the quarterfinals, against one of the best Zergs in the world, and one game away from being eliminated and looking stupid for doing a ceremony, he put his foot down and told Symbol that he wouldn't be disrespected. As the series went on, Symbol started to crumble and Symbol's confidence continued to grow with each minute.

By the end of things, Symbol was devastated and Seed was laughing. If you ever doubted that a player could be defined by just a single series, then SeeD vs Symbol is the manner Nexus in your face. Seed was down, all but dead, counted out against all odds, but told all his critics to shut up and came back in one of the greatest comebacks we've ever seen in the GSL.

You might compare him to Parting when it comes to his attitude, but even Parting has shown countless times he can be rocked in the booth. Down against DongRaeGu in the quarterfinals two seasons ago and Mvp last season in the semifinals, Parting was visibly shaken and couldn't play anywhere near his best. With Seed, he remained calm in the worst situation, up against he worst of odds, and came through in the end as the victor.

The only player you can compare Seed to is MC. They both have that air of irrational confidence that makes them great. A lot of players can act cocky and say they are the best thing since slice bread, but there are only a select few who can get absolutely crushed in a series and still stay confident. If Seed and MC were both down 0-3 in a Bo7 and down to their final units against a massive army from their opponent, you think they would give up? Hell no. Both players think they're the best and know that they can beat anyone in the world.

While most people who have watched Seed this season have only seen him as a player who only does two-base pushes and less macro-oriented strategies to gain his victories, he has proven in his series against Symbol that he can win any way he likes. Two base pressure, 40+ minute game, or maybe an all-in. He can play every type of situation and that is what makes him one of the most dangerous Protoss we've come across in a long time.

You might not think he can become champion, but Seed does and that's the only opinion that matters to him.

Overall thoughts and prediction:

Both weren't the favorites in their last match, but with Byun's walk in the park against Nestea, he comes into this series as the favorite. His TvP is ultra aggressive and has been highly effective his season. He has already beaten Seed in the first round of this season's Code S and beaten some of the best Protoss in the world with his unpredictable style of playing.

Seed is going to be a tough match, though. He is not going to tilt under pressure and will be giving it his best in all five games. Byun made a semifinal last year in July and this is his shot at redemption as he got knocked out 0-3 last time by another IM player, Losira. I would expect maybe one or two long games, but both players aren't afraid to end things early if it comes to it. Both have high winning percentages in the first nine minutes of a game and those will be the most important to see who will walk out as a first time GSL finalist.

Prediction: Byun 3 - 1 Seed


Code S Semi-finals: DRG vs MC Preview


By: Waxangel

(Z)MvP.DongRaeGu vs (P)SK_MC

Daybreak - Ohana - Antiga Shipyard - Metropolis - Whirlwind


  • (Z)MvP.DongRaeGu

    Strengths
    – (Still) the best player in the world.
    – All around excellent ZvP player.

    Weaknesses
    – Susceptible to all-ins.
    – For a player who thrives on defense, can still be caught completely off guard as NaNiwa showed us last week.

    Ideal winning scenario: Looks at least as good as Nerchio and Stephano in victory.

    Craziest winning scenario: Looks markedly worse than Nerchio and Stephano, adding another twist to the entire foreigner vs Koreans debate.

  • (P)SK_MC

    Strengths
    – Best all-ins in the business.
    – Highly unpredictable use of diverse strategies.

    Weaknesses
    – Committed the unforgivable sin of getting eliminated from two consecutive tournaments by foreigners.
    – Lack of preparation time after the NASL Grand Finals.

    Ideal winning scenario: Wins with a diverse combination of all-ins and macro play, showing off a complete PvZ game.

    Craziest winning scenario: Reveals a strategies he intentionally hid at NASL and crushes DRG.



It's redemption day for DongRaeGu and MC, two pro-gamers who had been widely acknowledged as the best at their respective races. Consistently dominating performances and fantastic tournament resumes mean that the pair can absorb more than a few big losses without risking being knocked off their lofty perches, but one can't deny that their reputations have taken hits nonetheless.

DongRaeGu looked weak in a narrow 3 – 2 victory over NaNiwa in the GSL Ro8, struggling against the sub 50% PvZ player's unorthodox tactics after making several highly public statements that brushed off NaNiwa as a credible challenger. In MC's case, he was foreclosed on by the Bank of Stephano at the NASL Season 3 live finals, looking very much like the lesser player in a 2 – 4 semi-final loss.

What would have been the greatest possible present PvZ duel has been demoted to one that's merely great. It's not even an issue of losing to foreigners, since the last few months has seen the skill of the international scene validated to an unprecedented degree. It's because DongRaeGu and MC no longer look almost invincible in the PvZ match-up like they did two weeks ago, where it seemed that they could only be beaten by each other. Without that aura, it's a not nearly as tasty a match-up.

Well, enough mourning over what could have been. It's still going to be a great series.

DongRaeGu, contentiously the best player in the world

On the whole, DongRaeGu's ability to play at an elite level in all three match-ups, impressive record against other top players, and success in a variety of tournament formats make him deserve the title of being the best this planet has to offer.

However, when we narrow it down to just ZvP, one could claim that there is a better player. After seeing Stephano's ridiculous beat downs of HerO, MC, and Alicia last weekend at NASL, and DRG's less than impressive performances against NaNiwa and HerO (albeit, his match against the latter was in a high paying showmatch, take it as seriously as you please), you have to say the Frenchman has a good claim to the ZvP crown.

That's okay, though. DongRaeGu is still really damn good at ZvP, and as we saw from Nerchio at HomeStoryCup V, that's good enough to beat MC.

In terms of specific points, not much has changed for our assessment of DongRaeGu since our Ro8 preview. He's a great textbook Zerg player, equally capable of busting through a Protoss player's fast third base with roach-ling pressure as he is at turtling up behind a brood lord – spine crawler – infestor hell. He has the same weaknesses as most other Zerg players out there, being susceptible to PvZ all-ins, and dying painful deaths after overestimating hydralisks.

MC, the complete player.

Here's a line we wrote about MC back in April for the IPL4 Power Rank:

"If the IEM World Championship was MC at his best, then the MLG Winter Championship was MC at his most mediocre. When his calculated risks (both aggressive and greedy) pay off, MC can compete with anyone in the world. When they don't... well then he loses to Ganzi and ThorZaIN, almost loses to CrazymoviNG, and gets mauled by TvP monster MKP in straight up games.

Though he's a far from being the dominant player he was one year ago, and though he can lose rather lopsidedly when things don't go his way, MC is still one of the most unpredictable, dangerous players to face. There are few players – if any – who can play the strategy mind-games as well as MC, and he is definitely an opponent no one wants to meet in the elimination stages of a tournament."


Since we wrote that three months ago for our IPL4 preview, things have changed. MC has added some very good macro play to supplement his all-in arsenal, and in the process he's become a much more consistent player. Instead of his tournament finishes being a near dice-roll, he's achieving consistently high placements no matter where he goes.

The amazing part of this is that MC has managed to do this in an almost sneaky fashion, playing up his reputation as an all-in player the whole while. At the Code S group selection, he said "beware my all-ins." What he should have said was "beware my ability to play for both the all-in and the macro game, and my unmatched ability to mix those two options up and disguise them, making me the most unpredictable, feared player in a BoX series."

While there still appears to be room for improvement in his PvT late game, in PvZ he is a true double threat. It's not enough to just stop the all-in, you have to deal with the pre-hive death ball attack, late game mothership use, and sometimes even – gasp – carriers.

Squaring Up: I'm all-in making a conservative, well measured bet.

Though Zerg players are continuously getting better at adapting to and defending against Protoss all-ins, there's still plenty of opportunities for innovation and meticulous preparation to be rewarded. Just last week, we saw DongRaeGu get taken completely off-guard by NaNiwa's gate-first expansion play, taking him to the brink of defeat against a heavy underdog. Thus it follows that while MC's timing attacks might have been thwarted against Nerchio and MC, there's no reason he can't come up with something new and make it work against DongRaeGu.

That said, it's probably not going to happen this time around. The arsenal MC showed at the NASL grand finals wasn't particularly creative, and it's unlikely that he's been able to reload on anything especially innovative within the three days he's been back in Korea. It's hard to imagine there will be a NaNiwa-esque wrench thrown into play for this match-up, and it wouldn't be surprising to see MC favor the standard macro-play he showed in many of his games at NASL.

Overall, I think there's a slight advantage for DongRaeGu. Last week's games against NaNiwa were unimpressive, but still understandable due to NaNiwa being able to catch DRG completely off-guard. It's likely that DRG will be allowed to play a very standard ZvP against MC, which is exactly what he wants. MC lost convincingly to Nerchio and Stephano recently, and at the very least, DongRaeGu is on a similar level to that foreign pair.

Prediction: DongRaeGu 3 - 2 MC

















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Writers: Fionn and Waxangel
Graphics and Art: Meko
Editor: Waxangel
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Lozos
Profile Joined February 2012
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 22:39:53
July 18 2012 22:39 GMT
#2
DRG FIGHTING! I think Seed also has a pretty good chance at beating Byun.
Keith > Piglet
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
July 18 2012 22:45 GMT
#3
C'mon! I want a Protoss Code S champion so bad
Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
July 18 2012 22:48 GMT
#4
Goo DRG! Also I'm rooting for Byun, because I want something else than ZvP in the finals.
StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
July 18 2012 22:49 GMT
#5
Lets go MC!
NaDa | MC | HerO | DeMusliM | TaeJa | viOLet
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 18 2012 22:54 GMT
#6
Hope MC takes it, gogo for protoss :D
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 18 2012 22:54 GMT
#7
GOO BYUN!!!!!!!
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ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
July 18 2012 22:54 GMT
#8
As much as I love my brotoss, I really hope Byun wins !
BYUN GOGO !
laoji
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom382 Posts
July 18 2012 22:56 GMT
#9
hoping for Byun and DRG just so i can see how that TvZ matches up against DRG =)
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deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
July 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#10
Losing to two foreign Zergs in a row, MC has 0 probability of beating DRG. Not debatable.
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
July 18 2012 22:59 GMT
#11
come on DRG + Byun
fresh chops
Mask DeMasque
Profile Joined February 2012
United States415 Posts
July 18 2012 23:04 GMT
#12
Byun, show Terrans the way...
Exya
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada54 Posts
July 18 2012 23:04 GMT
#13
DRG I'll be watching! Please win
bropedo
Profile Joined April 2012
United States89 Posts
July 18 2012 23:06 GMT
#14
G0g0g0g0g0g0 Byunnnnn!
Gogo Terran: MKP ByuN || Toss: Parting Rain || Zerg: Life HyuN
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
July 18 2012 23:08 GMT
#15
i think seed would win vs byun, seed probably is the best protoss atm
IM & EG supporter
s1ege
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)123 Posts
July 18 2012 23:08 GMT
#16
lmao at this write saying DRG is on a similar level of Nerchio and Stephano. hahahaha DRG is 2012107428436023 times better than those two.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
July 18 2012 23:09 GMT
#17
How the hell did MF Stephano make it into this article??????? Jesus H Christ.
And he was just complaining about Symbol as a hyped zerg earlier in the article!
That was drg's spot. it's about him.
edit stephano away please.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
EvilDet
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany130 Posts
July 18 2012 23:09 GMT
#18
Gogo Byun and MC (with ofc MC taking the final)!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 18 2012 23:14 GMT
#19
All of my hype!
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 18 2012 23:18 GMT
#20
byun vs mc in the finals with mc taking it. my predictions
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
July 18 2012 23:30 GMT
#21
Over 400 days with out a Protoss champion Noooo!!!, GO MC!!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 18 2012 23:49 GMT
#22
Gogo Seed and MC! :D
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
knolsnol[nl]
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands5 Posts
July 18 2012 23:51 GMT
#23
Dear WaxAngel,

I like the article a lot. There is one thing I want to let you know. I mostly visit team liquid for the news, but at second place for these awesome previews and reviews. Before these reviews/previews always were on time, and everything got covered, but lately these previews and reviews of Code S have not been really consistent and incomplete. For example review the quarter final of Nestea vs Byun was not covered at all, where as the neutral supply depot issue was. All I want to say is that I would love it if you would be more consistent with the write-ups and if your busy schedule doesn't allow you to always make them, maybe let someone else help you..

Kind Regards

mjava
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland74 Posts
July 18 2012 23:58 GMT
#24
MC vs. Byun finals gogo!! but i think that MC has hard time to beat DRG.. Zerg so strong thease days T.T
"Nothig special, just 4gate" -elfi
PBCL
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden44 Posts
July 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#25
Thus it follows that while MC's timing attacks might have been thwarted against Nerchio and MC, there's no reason he can't come up with something new and make it work against DongRaeGu.


Shouldn't it be against Nerchio and Stephano?
Follow Jangbi @Jangbitoss on twitter
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 19 2012 00:25 GMT
#26
Seed 3-0 Byun
MC 3-2 DRG

Seed 4-1 MC
Tangel0
Profile Joined June 2012
24 Posts
July 19 2012 00:26 GMT
#27
I really hope DRG vs Byun in the final
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 19 2012 00:29 GMT
#28
– Is Protoss and those guys never win GSL.

Brilliant.

Byun 3-1 Seed
DongRaeGu 3-2 MC

Byun 2-4 DongRaeGu
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
July 19 2012 00:36 GMT
#29
Byun, strengths: Still has puppy
Noddy1989
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom7 Posts
July 19 2012 00:48 GMT
#30
On July 19 2012 09:12 PBCL wrote:
Show nested quote +
Thus it follows that while MC's timing attacks might have been thwarted against Nerchio and MC, there's no reason he can't come up with something new and make it work against DongRaeGu.


Shouldn't it be against Nerchio and Stephano?


Nope. MC is that good he is also Stephano and can play against himself.

Would love to see a Byun v DRG final. :D
Build more supply depots.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 19 2012 00:48 GMT
#31
I want MC vs Seed so a Protoss can finally win a GSL after over a year's worth of sadness from me.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Silent_Gentle
Profile Joined March 2012
China9 Posts
July 19 2012 00:51 GMT
#32
DRG! GO GO GO GO
I'm loving this game, SCII
NAMeCHa
Profile Joined March 2011
36 Posts
July 19 2012 00:56 GMT
#33
No carriers in MC vs DRG please. Because that worked so well in the Blizzard Cup T_T


CMON MC
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
July 19 2012 01:09 GMT
#34
byun + drg imho
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AsymptoticClimax
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 01:19:29
July 19 2012 01:14 GMT
#35
ByuN vs DRG would make for the ultimate finals imo and im glad to say it's shaping up to look it too
i wish my motherboard would find a fatherboard so i could have anotherboard
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
July 19 2012 01:18 GMT
#36
Didn't DRG say that his series vs Naniwa was closer than it should have been in part because he wanted to fool around with Hydras in Game 4?
julyakira
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia27 Posts
July 19 2012 01:25 GMT
#37
TvZ Grand Final plz!!:D
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 01:36:30
July 19 2012 01:36 GMT
#38
I'm so stoked, I really want it to begin already.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
July 19 2012 01:38 GMT
#39
I want Seed to win the finals.

Please for the sake of FireBatHero win.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
July 19 2012 01:41 GMT
#40
On July 19 2012 09:48 plasmidghost wrote:
I want MC vs Seed so a Protoss can finally win a GSL after over a year's worth of sadness from me.


This. Also a PvP finals would be awesome.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
July 19 2012 01:41 GMT
#41
I think Drg has this easy, and then I believe Byun is gonna take his match.
Refer to my post.
Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
July 19 2012 01:42 GMT
#42
MC better win. <3 Gogo MC
etternaonline.com
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 19 2012 01:44 GMT
#43
Sick write-up. I personally don't want a PvP finals, and another trophy for MC would be amazing. Byun vs MC finals I hope.

Oh, and be sure to follow @ByunPrime on Twitter.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
July 19 2012 01:46 GMT
#44
it'll be a byun vs drg final where zerg wins
자연속에 내가 있다! 운!지!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 19 2012 01:51 GMT
#45
If Seed wins GSL I expect nothing less than a Firebathero-level ceremony on the beach.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 19 2012 01:52 GMT
#46
MC's got this.
ffxiv enjoyer
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 19 2012 01:53 GMT
#47
Byun 3-1 Seed
DRG 3-1 MC

DRG 4-2 Byun.
Play your best
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
July 19 2012 01:56 GMT
#48
TvZ finals better than PvT and PvP IMO

BUT

MC FIGHTING!
banelings
CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
July 19 2012 02:08 GMT
#49
Come on Boss Toss.

Jang MinChul fighting!
MC || HuK || MMA || Squirtle || TLO || Sea || HerO || MarineKing || MVP || NesTea
sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
July 19 2012 02:13 GMT
#50
Hoping for Protoss!!!! Jeeez, I don't even care if it's a PvP final!!!! If all else fails, I can still drown myself in the joy of watching the Dark Knight Rises at midnight!
Stormbringer!!!
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4394 Posts
July 19 2012 02:19 GMT
#51
Seed to win this GSL! IM to have a title with each of the 3 races.
Verror
Profile Joined March 2011
261 Posts
July 19 2012 02:21 GMT
#52
Go Buyn go! I wanna see more of his late game tvp with tanks!
LA_Morello
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil143 Posts
July 19 2012 02:22 GMT
#53
Boss Toss vs Byun on the finals!
Biopower
Profile Joined September 2011
United States79 Posts
July 19 2012 02:26 GMT
#54
This is a great writeup! Awesome backstories, I'm super excited.

Byun fighting!
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
July 19 2012 02:27 GMT
#55
LG-IM_Seed...the next FBH?
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 02:32:16
July 19 2012 02:31 GMT
#56
Seed 3-1 Byun
MC 2-3 DRG

DRG 4-2 Seed

MC vs DRG is the REAL GSL finals.
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
July 19 2012 02:41 GMT
#57
I wanto to see ZvT as the final match heheh!
VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
July 19 2012 02:47 GMT
#58
Seed 3-2 Byun
MC 1-3 DRG

I wish i thought it would go differently but I think people seriously underestimate Seed. The fact that he is creative makes his perfect mechanics go unnoticed. That's a scary combo. Byun is also really strong but idk. I forsee a DRG/Seed finals
Kevinshi3
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States148 Posts
July 19 2012 02:51 GMT
#59
Hoping that MC lost his other matches because he was saving them for GSL
yo mamaship so fat it couldn't fit in the expansion
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
July 19 2012 02:55 GMT
#60
yes Byun.....win your Bo5 and get Terrans nerf again....


muhhahahahahahahhahah *cough*adfaa sdf
Cinquedea
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada144 Posts
July 19 2012 03:20 GMT
#61
ByuN vs DRG gogo!
Too strange to live, too rare to die.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
July 19 2012 03:20 GMT
#62
Rooting for Seed and DRG even though I think Byun - DRG would be the more entertaining final. Can't abandon my IM Brotoss when he needs me most.
Long live the King of Wings
SaintFrancis
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada46 Posts
July 19 2012 03:28 GMT
#63
I want Byun to win gsl !
True happiness is found with God. God is true love. That's why Jesus changed my life.
SaintFrancis
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 03:30:31
July 19 2012 03:28 GMT
#64
At the same time, it would be good a protoss winning. Would be glad if it could be Seed.
True happiness is found with God. God is true love. That's why Jesus changed my life.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 19 2012 03:28 GMT
#65
Awesome write up, and big words putting Stephano's ZvP as better than DRG's, though I would probably agree with you.
I want MC to win vs DRG, but I really want a good old fashioned TvZ slug fest in the finals. I hope Byun beats seed, hopefully using tanks in the late game!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
July 19 2012 03:30 GMT
#66
come on seed! he would have the best ceremony if he won
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
July 19 2012 03:32 GMT
#67
I don't know how Fionn can write such a comprehensive, acute, and well thought out preview that hypes up Seed and Byun and how waxangel can somehow de-hype the matchup of MC and DRG and even go as far as to say, "well DRG is atleast as good as Nerchio and Stephano".

The second preview was piss poor, it was short, and didn't come even near the point. MC lost at Homestory Cup and NASL, yes admist the most grueling schedule thats ever been attempted in SC2, he flew from the Taeja Ro8 match directly to Canada for NASL without any rest and crushed Puma 3-0, proving he had ben practicing almost extensively PvT lately. MC has been focusing on GSL this season, and he practiced almost solely PvT games playing Ryung, MKP, and Tajea in all his matchups, its no wonder his PvZ ability slid. The question is can the two days preparation back in Korea allow him to get back to form in PvZ? That would be a much better story line than "foreigners are catching up, these two aren't as good anymore, oh well, i'll go w/ DRG.

Seriously, after reading that preview you'd think that Seed and Byun are a lot more hyped/decorated players than MC and DRG because of how poor the second preview was.

Such garbage. Listen, if you're gonna write for teamliquid, atleast put some god damn effort in okay? thanks.
"never give up, never surrender"
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
July 19 2012 03:37 GMT
#68
On July 19 2012 12:32 willyallthewei wrote:
I don't know how Fionn can write such a comprehensive, acute, and well thought out preview that hypes up Seed and Byun and how waxangel can somehow de-hype the matchup of MC and DRG and even go as far as to say, "well DRG is atleast as good as Nerchio and Stephano".

The second preview was piss poor, it was short, and didn't come even near the point. MC lost at Homestory Cup and NASL, yes admist the most grueling schedule thats ever been attempted in SC2, he flew from the Taeja Ro8 match directly to Canada for NASL without any rest and crushed Puma 3-0, proving he had ben practicing almost extensively PvT lately. MC has been focusing on GSL this season, and he practiced almost solely PvT games playing Ryung, MKP, and Tajea in all his matchups, its no wonder his PvZ ability slid. The question is can the two days preparation back in Korea allow him to get back to form in PvZ? That would be a much better story line than "foreigners are catching up, these two aren't as good anymore, oh well, i'll go w/ DRG.

Seriously, after reading that preview you'd think that Seed and Byun are a lot more hyped/decorated players than MC and DRG because of how poor the second preview was.

Such garbage. Listen, if you're gonna write for teamliquid, atleast put some god damn effort in okay? thanks.

lol calm your tits dude. Wax has been doing previews for a long time in case you haven't noticed. Since you're the only one who's complaining about something like this, I would absolutely LOVE for you to write a preview article about the DRG-MC matches, and make it worth reading. If you can't, then I would advise you to shut up and appreciate the work that needs to be put in for these articles. At the end of the day, Wax is still a respected member of TL, while you are just another nobody.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
PastaJoePolice
Profile Joined July 2012
22 Posts
July 19 2012 03:39 GMT
#69
I dont know how to put this. Cmon guys! Just some cunstructive critism. Now a lot of the stuff you write, how you write it and the way you write it, is bash worthy. But just clear some things up like slight bias and clear your minds and you two can be great writers. But these consecutive posts and essays really fall victim to the same streak. Not a streak of personal stress and bias form me, but rather a universal fault in the way you do it. Cmon you two
howdoiskill
Profile Joined June 2012
United States12 Posts
July 19 2012 03:45 GMT
#70
MC fighting <3
"I show protoss IMBA." - WhiteRa
DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
July 19 2012 03:47 GMT
#71
MC MC MC please make it happen and get your 3rd GSL already :-D
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
July 19 2012 03:50 GMT
#72
MC! !!
BYUN!!!
"I'm naturally good at everything. I'm good at eating too, so that's why I can't lose weight."
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
July 19 2012 03:54 GMT
#73
How many times in one article can you insist that Naniwa took DRG 'completely off guard?'
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
July 19 2012 03:58 GMT
#74
I'm really pulling for DongRaeGu, but hope all the series are as exciting and thrilling as their potential would indicate. So nice that 1/2 of the finals will be a completely new, mostly unexpected competitor.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 19 2012 04:13 GMT
#75
On July 19 2012 12:32 willyallthewei wrote:
I don't know how Fionn can write such a comprehensive, acute, and well thought out preview that hypes up Seed and Byun and how waxangel can somehow de-hype the matchup of MC and DRG and even go as far as to say, "well DRG is atleast as good as Nerchio and Stephano".

The second preview was piss poor, it was short, and didn't come even near the point. MC lost at Homestory Cup and NASL, yes admist the most grueling schedule thats ever been attempted in SC2, he flew from the Taeja Ro8 match directly to Canada for NASL without any rest and crushed Puma 3-0, proving he had ben practicing almost extensively PvT lately. MC has been focusing on GSL this season, and he practiced almost solely PvT games playing Ryung, MKP, and Tajea in all his matchups, its no wonder his PvZ ability slid. The question is can the two days preparation back in Korea allow him to get back to form in PvZ? That would be a much better story line than "foreigners are catching up, these two aren't as good anymore, oh well, i'll go w/ DRG.

Seriously, after reading that preview you'd think that Seed and Byun are a lot more hyped/decorated players than MC and DRG because of how poor the second preview was.

Such garbage. Listen, if you're gonna write for teamliquid, atleast put some god damn effort in okay? thanks.


That's just the style contrasts between the two writers. Wax is much more conservative, almost scientific in his approach to his write-ups. Fionn's is highly liberal, and could probably put the spin to hype up anything, including people contesting in tic-tac-toe.
Someone call down the Thunder?
nubstick24
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2 Posts
July 19 2012 04:34 GMT
#76
byun and mc for finals lets go!
"More GG, More Skill"
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 04:36:09
July 19 2012 04:35 GMT
#77
On July 19 2012 12:37 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 12:32 willyallthewei wrote:
I don't know how Fionn can write such a comprehensive, acute, and well thought out preview that hypes up Seed and Byun and how waxangel can somehow de-hype the matchup of MC and DRG and even go as far as to say, "well DRG is atleast as good as Nerchio and Stephano".

The second preview was piss poor, it was short, and didn't come even near the point. MC lost at Homestory Cup and NASL, yes admist the most grueling schedule thats ever been attempted in SC2, he flew from the Taeja Ro8 match directly to Canada for NASL without any rest and crushed Puma 3-0, proving he had ben practicing almost extensively PvT lately. MC has been focusing on GSL this season, and he practiced almost solely PvT games playing Ryung, MKP, and Tajea in all his matchups, its no wonder his PvZ ability slid. The question is can the two days preparation back in Korea allow him to get back to form in PvZ? That would be a much better story line than "foreigners are catching up, these two aren't as good anymore, oh well, i'll go w/ DRG.

Seriously, after reading that preview you'd think that Seed and Byun are a lot more hyped/decorated players than MC and DRG because of how poor the second preview was.

Such garbage. Listen, if you're gonna write for teamliquid, atleast put some god damn effort in okay? thanks.

lol calm your tits dude. Wax has been doing previews for a long time in case you haven't noticed. Since you're the only one who's complaining about something like this, I would absolutely LOVE for you to write a preview article about the DRG-MC matches, and make it worth reading. If you can't, then I would advise you to shut up and appreciate the work that needs to be put in for these articles. At the end of the day, Wax is still a respected member of TL, while you are just another nobody.


Thanks for reposting here and spamming my PM inbox. My opinion is my opinion, the second preview lacked passion for the two most celebrated players of their races. To me, that says a lack of effort, though maybe i've read Wax's previews in the past that were great, here it came out flat in contrast to what was written above it. TL standard for articles is generally some of the highest in the scene, frankly, it was disappointing because i look forward to these articles.

Sorry if i ruffled the feathers of the internet police, maybe you ought to get the mods to ban everyone that doesn't sing praise and avoid straight forward critique.
"never give up, never surrender"
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
July 19 2012 04:40 GMT
#78
Stephano won against MC only 1 time and he suddenly became the best ZvP in the world? -_-"
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4394 Posts
July 19 2012 04:58 GMT
#79
Stephano is not better than DRG. If you put DRG vs MC on the NASL map pool DRG 4-0's him. Hell he still might 3-0 him tonight. MC has not looked at that absolute top tier in PvZ lately.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
July 19 2012 05:01 GMT
#80
Drg zvp is pretty boring passive investor spine play. I think that's why he appears weak in the matchup. But imo that makes drg scary cos its like his old zvt which was purely the best mutaling blind which most terans couldn't overcome anyways.

I am hoping for a drg byun finals and a byun victory.
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
July 19 2012 05:01 GMT
#81
Byun is not the Robin to MarineKing's Batman. If he continues winning, you will have to start calling MarineKing the Bumblebee to Byun's OptimusPrime.


^Best quote right there
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 19 2012 05:21 GMT
#82
On July 19 2012 10:41 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:48 plasmidghost wrote:
I want MC vs Seed so a Protoss can finally win a GSL after over a year's worth of sadness from me.


This. Also a PvP finals would be awesome.

No, no - wait till next season for Naniwa to become the next Protoss GSL Code S champion. For now, I'm rooting for either DRG or Byun (but maybe I'll always be happy to see MC win )
Plat Support Main #believe
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 05:30:34
July 19 2012 05:27 GMT
#83
On July 19 2012 12:32 willyallthewei wrote:
I don't know how Fionn can write such a comprehensive, acute, and well thought out preview that hypes up Seed and Byun and how waxangel can somehow de-hype the matchup of MC and DRG and even go as far as to say, "well DRG is atleast as good as Nerchio and Stephano".

The second preview was piss poor, it was short, and didn't come even near the point. MC lost at Homestory Cup and NASL, yes admist the most grueling schedule thats ever been attempted in SC2, he flew from the Taeja Ro8 match directly to Canada for NASL without any rest and crushed Puma 3-0, proving he had ben practicing almost extensively PvT lately. MC has been focusing on GSL this season, and he practiced almost solely PvT games playing Ryung, MKP, and Tajea in all his matchups, its no wonder his PvZ ability slid. The question is can the two days preparation back in Korea allow him to get back to form in PvZ? That would be a much better story line than "foreigners are catching up, these two aren't as good anymore, oh well, i'll go w/ DRG.

Seriously, after reading that preview you'd think that Seed and Byun are a lot more hyped/decorated players than MC and DRG because of how poor the second preview was.



There are 2 ways to give feedback.

1) The asshole way. This method not only makes you look like the bad guy, but also makes the recipient less prone to actually make changes. This is what you used.

2) The nice way. This method is more commonly known as constructive criticism and is widely renown because it not only sends off a positive vibe, but also entices the recipient to actually improve them self.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
Haustka
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
July 19 2012 05:44 GMT
#84
why do i get the vibe that MC is gonna take this from DRG...
Power of Human Will
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
July 19 2012 06:26 GMT
#85
On July 19 2012 14:44 Haustka wrote:
why do i get the vibe that MC is gonna take this from DRG...


Because MC is a total nerd baller Obama-Toss!!

That said, DRG is DRG. You mess with DRG, you gotta better be bringing out the BIG GUNS!

My prediction is that MC vs DRG is the 'real' finals this season and which ever of those 2 take their match wins this season GSL. And even if Byun / Seed beat the winner in the finals everyone will be sitting here thinking that the loser of this match would have beaten them and they got lucky in the outcome of this match.

Swap the semi-finals into ANY OTHER CONFIGURATION and I would call MC DRG finals without hesitation.
lrofd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States187 Posts
July 19 2012 06:50 GMT
#86
On July 19 2012 13:40 Wildmoon wrote:
Stephano won against MC only 1 time and he suddenly became the best ZvP in the world? -_-"


no, he's been winning for the past 6 months and zerg all around the world (including korea) are learning from his plays for zvp.

he's changed the metagame twice in zvp and once for zvt.

so no.
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
July 19 2012 07:37 GMT
#87
Great article!

In the section about seed it reads, "As the series went on, Symbol started to crumble and Symbol's confidence continued to grow with each minute." Second one should be Seed!
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FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
July 19 2012 08:10 GMT
#88
I want Seed or MC to make it to finals.. but I think DRG will be at finals.. Oh man, please let a Protoss champion arise!
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
July 19 2012 08:23 GMT
#89
On July 19 2012 12:32 willyallthewei wrote:
I don't know how Fionn can write such a comprehensive, acute, and well thought out preview that hypes up Seed and Byun and how waxangel can somehow de-hype the matchup of MC and DRG and even go as far as to say, "well DRG is atleast as good as Nerchio and Stephano".

The second preview was piss poor, it was short, and didn't come even near the point. MC lost at Homestory Cup and NASL, yes admist the most grueling schedule thats ever been attempted in SC2, he flew from the Taeja Ro8 match directly to Canada for NASL without any rest and crushed Puma 3-0, proving he had ben practicing almost extensively PvT lately. MC has been focusing on GSL this season, and he practiced almost solely PvT games playing Ryung, MKP, and Tajea in all his matchups, its no wonder his PvZ ability slid. The question is can the two days preparation back in Korea allow him to get back to form in PvZ? That would be a much better story line than "foreigners are catching up, these two aren't as good anymore, oh well, i'll go w/ DRG.

Seriously, after reading that preview you'd think that Seed and Byun are a lot more hyped/decorated players than MC and DRG because of how poor the second preview was.


I have to agree, although I would have phrased it a little less inflammatory. Your point is correct though. This isn't the first time Waxangel extrapolates foreign results to an unjustified degree but taking it to the point of talking down DRG vs MC of all people is pretty extreme.
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Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
July 19 2012 08:32 GMT
#90
On July 19 2012 13:58 JJH777 wrote:
Stephano is not better than DRG. If you put DRG vs MC on the NASL map pool DRG 4-0's him. Hell he still might 3-0 him tonight. MC has not looked at that absolute top tier in PvZ lately.

Have you guys ever considered that MC played poorly against Nerchio and Stephano cause he didn't want to show his new PvZs builds ?
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 08:33:35
July 19 2012 08:33 GMT
#91
On July 19 2012 14:01 Mutality wrote:
Show nested quote +
Byun is not the Robin to MarineKing's Batman. If he continues winning, you will have to start calling MarineKing the Bumblebee to Byun's OptimusPrime.


^Best quote right there


IMO...

MKP = Batman
Maru = Robin
Byun = Catwoman

Because Catwoman has the same potential as Batman but is independent while you can see early MKP style in Maru.

Polt = Nightwing

Because he was MKPs first sidekick who left because he became good enough to stand alone.

I hope Byun and MC advance.
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FatBat
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany326 Posts
July 19 2012 09:52 GMT
#92
I love these strenghts/weaknesses overview. They are so funny :D
"This game went full retard"- Totalbiscuit
Bartiemus
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand84 Posts
July 19 2012 09:52 GMT
#93
MC and seed fighting
Id rather just kill you and call it a day.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 10:13:56
July 19 2012 10:13 GMT
#94
current score 2-1 to byun?
Amove for Aiur
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
July 19 2012 10:35 GMT
#95
drg byun finals LETS GOOO
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 19 2012 10:57 GMT
#96
dear TL writers:

stop doubting SEEDU!!!!!
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 11:48:34
July 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#97
wrong thread
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
July 19 2012 11:50 GMT
#98
FUCK YEAR GOGOGOGOGO PVP FINALS

(3-0, a third 3 base play in the third game is what it is going to be)
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
July 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#99
The Fionn curse is strong in this one.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
PaWnStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:15:06
July 19 2012 12:14 GMT
#100
Sooooooo sick! PvP incoming!!!!
Congratz to Seed and MC, such bosses!!!!

Final Boos for Seed now MC!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:31:57
July 19 2012 12:20 GMT
#101
Now the storyline becomes which Protoss will take the presidency?

Will Incredible Miracle have a GSL champion for each race?

Will MC become the third three time champion and remain the only Protoss champion, increasing his winnings to over 360,000$?

Fun stuff.
NozliW_
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile70 Posts
July 19 2012 12:23 GMT
#102
AWWWWWWW YEAH 2/2 LIQUIDBET!!
TAKE THAT TL PREDICTIONS! xD
ZanXala
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden26 Posts
July 19 2012 12:26 GMT
#103
Amount of zerg players in gsl finals after queen buff: 0
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvP winrate this gsl code s season: 42,5% (17-23)
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvT winrate this gsl code s season: 50,0% (22-22)
ZERG OP, SUCH AN UNFAIR WINRATE 50-50, not even at all right? RIGHT?
Watch the highest level of play before stating it's impossible to beat zerg
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Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:49:45
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#104
PvP final GSL IMPOSSIBRU!

This is soo awesome.
Go Seed, go MC.
happy day.
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 19 2012 12:48 GMT
#105
Go MC! remain only toss champ!
Saber_Rider
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden361 Posts
July 19 2012 12:51 GMT
#106
Omg! MC is such a boss! Really hope he takes his third title now!
FFE or die trying
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
July 19 2012 12:52 GMT
#107
Apparently the storyline was that MC simply decided to defend well against DRG's huge midgame swarm. DRG expected aggressive play from MC and wasted vast resources on exactly those armies. Third game the Obama Toss just switched gears, messed up a little, but won anyway because DRG was so badly shaken.

I gotta say people, DRG just completely broke down in that last match.. all of MC's sentries died, but the 6 gate with warp prism and +1 won on completely open ground.
PaWnStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland27 Posts
July 19 2012 12:56 GMT
#108
On July 19 2012 21:26 ZanXala wrote:
Amount of zerg players in gsl finals after queen buff: 0
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvP winrate this gsl code s season: 42,5% (17-23)
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvT winrate this gsl code s season: 50,0% (22-22)
ZERG OP, SUCH AN UNFAIR WINRATE 50-50, not even at all right? RIGHT?
Watch the highest level of play before stating it's impossible to beat zerg


Well, i've never read that P is saying Z is OP (Since im no good player i wont state out of my experience) and since we did not have a ZvT in semis i have no idea why you would write this in the thread. i can post an interview where DRG is saying that with the queen buff it is hard (it has never been said impossible to win) for T to win and he wishes 3T in his group(Link below). It has always been: "The MU ZvT is IMBALLANCED" and in no way Zerg is OP IMO.
Maybe T and P adapt better to certain styles than Z did when beeing considered UP? And i really dont want to flame Zergs because i've got a lot of respect for Zerg players (tried it out, larva management is a pain in the ass at least for me) but if you see the stephano style, witch no one figured out to counter really yet... probably DRG should've adapt to stephano style even more? All Zergs basically... MC maybe was really prepared for DRG style and after taking 2 games he was to confident and took the 3rd win with his Robo-allin... (There must be some minor differences when Stephano goes 4-2 and DRG goes 0-3 IMO...)

DRG the T killer

pls excuse my english, probably a lot of mistakes in my post...
nktiep
Profile Joined December 2010
Vietnam40 Posts
July 19 2012 13:32 GMT
#109
toss fighting

final Seed MC

)
Fuddudle
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom23 Posts
July 19 2012 13:39 GMT
#110
Finally we have a Protoss GSL winner, took a year but seems like its all balancing out as we head to the new expansion
uikos
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States132 Posts
July 19 2012 13:46 GMT
#111
haha really loved the writeup!! :DD
I'm in love with Hero~
Arctyrus
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark77 Posts
July 19 2012 13:52 GMT
#112
Hell yeah! Protoss retaking the GSL atlast!
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
July 19 2012 14:25 GMT
#113
1.Is there a rule stating that the people writing these articles have to doubt MC?, it happens every time and I have no clue why. He wants to win this one and when he wants to win, he wins.

2. What Chunhyang said: " How the hell did MF Stephano make it into this article??????? Jesus H Christ.
And he was just complaining about Symbol as a hyped zerg earlier in the article!
That was drg's spot. it's about him.
edit stephano away please."

3. By suggesting that nerchio and stephano are better than DRG and MC you are taking away from the hype around this game, neither nerchio or stephano have ever gotten anywhere in GSL and MC easily has a winning record vs stephano at least. MC vs DRG is still the best zerg vs the best protoss (Best player (MC) vs the best race (zerg) =D jk).
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 19 2012 15:23 GMT
#114
so sad about byun
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
July 19 2012 15:58 GMT
#115
On July 19 2012 21:26 ZanXala wrote:
Amount of zerg players in gsl finals after queen buff: 0
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvP winrate this gsl code s season: 42,5% (17-23)
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvT winrate this gsl code s season: 50,0% (22-22)
ZERG OP, SUCH AN UNFAIR WINRATE 50-50, not even at all right? RIGHT?
Watch the highest level of play before stating it's impossible to beat zerg

The myth is strong, we must preach the truth to the plebs, though they'll never accept it. They fear the swarm.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Diogenes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States132 Posts
July 19 2012 16:46 GMT
#116
Thanks to these semifinals, I don't have to get up early on the 27th. PvP . More like Zzz ...
"When Godzilla attacks, he advances rather than retreats. We can use this to our advantage."
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
July 19 2012 18:25 GMT
#117
I don't like how this article mentions MC losing to Nerchio and Stephano as if that means MC is doing bad in PvZ.

The lost to Nerchio was a total fluke, just bad build orders. MC later said in an interview that he was saving strategies for DRG.
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
July 19 2012 19:28 GMT
#118
On July 20 2012 01:46 Diogenes wrote:
PvP . More like Zzz ...


Haha, oh yeah. You're so right. PvP is like 100% cannon rushes and 50% fourgating.. so bad play. And especially with MC vs Seed it will probably be boring as hell.

I hope MC takes this against the dangorouse Seed though. Micro micro.
maru G5L pls
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 19 2012 19:33 GMT
#119
was prettty one sided in the end. MC to take it all as planned !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33327 Posts
July 19 2012 20:25 GMT
#120
argh, my spleen
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
July 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#121
On July 19 2012 21:56 PaWnStaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:26 ZanXala wrote:
Amount of zerg players in gsl finals after queen buff: 0
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvP winrate this gsl code s season: 42,5% (17-23)
I guess zerg is overpowered herp derp
ZvT winrate this gsl code s season: 50,0% (22-22)
ZERG OP, SUCH AN UNFAIR WINRATE 50-50, not even at all right? RIGHT?
Watch the highest level of play before stating it's impossible to beat zerg


Well, i've never read that P is saying Z is OP (Since im no good player i wont state out of my experience) and since we did not have a ZvT in semis i have no idea why you would write this in the thread. i can post an interview where DRG is saying that with the queen buff it is hard (it has never been said impossible to win) for T to win and he wishes 3T in his group(Link below). It has always been: "The MU ZvT is IMBALLANCED" and in no way Zerg is OP IMO.
Maybe T and P adapt better to certain styles than Z did when beeing considered UP? And i really dont want to flame Zergs because i've got a lot of respect for Zerg players (tried it out, larva management is a pain in the ass at least for me) but if you see the stephano style, witch no one figured out to counter really yet... probably DRG should've adapt to stephano style even more? All Zergs basically... MC maybe was really prepared for DRG style and after taking 2 games he was to confident and took the 3rd win with his Robo-allin... (There must be some minor differences when Stephano goes 4-2 and DRG goes 0-3 IMO...)

DRG the T killer

pls excuse my english, probably a lot of mistakes in my post...


Protoss whine all the time. "All Zerg has to do is mass roach and a-move win." "DRG and Stephano just make roaches and nobody stands a chance." I mean, It feels like a poorly designed matchup that isn't very fun to watch (or play). But both sides love to call each other OP. Protoss has a wide variety of all-ins, some of them terribly difficult to hold, that just absolutely punish a Zerg for taking a 3rd base. But if the Protoss doesn't punish the 3rd, they basically have to cross their fingers and hope they can get a good vortex off.

And then you have MC, "DRG likes to mass roaches, so I just defended it and the win was easy. Honestly, I'm not scared of any Zergs." It seems he's the only person who enjoys this matchup, as DRG has openly stated his discontent with it
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