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[MLG] Spring Arena Draft Review

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[MLG] Spring Arena Draft Review

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May 17th, 2012 18:40 GMT

Spring Arena Draft Review

By: Waxangel


Oh, MLG, you do know how to please your geeky audience. The format for MLG Spring Arena II included this juicy little tidbit.

2. All Winners Round 1 Matchups will be set by the Players seeded #1-15. Starting with the #1 Seed, Players must choose their Winners Round 1 opponent from the Players seeded #17-32. In Winners Round 1, the #16 Seed will play the Player not chosen.

Yes, a draft! If only we had bothered to read the rules sooner, we would have commenced with non-stop draft coverage, including a mock draft page we updated daily based on the latest results and rumors, and video segments with at least four talking-head pundits speaking over each other. Alas, the draft has already concluded, and all we can bring you is this belated review that has the unfortunate benefit of hindsight.

+ Show Spoiler [Player Seeding] +


1: DRG
2: Ganzi
3: Heart
4: Oz
5: SeleCT
6: ThorZaIN
7: Stephano
8: Socke
9: Symbol
10: Killer
11: Mook
12: Tefel
13: Alicia
14: Sleep
15: MMA
16: Bly

Cut-off

17: viOlet
18: Polt
19: IdrA
20: Goody
21: Dream
22: Rain
23: Grubby
24: Inori
25: Ryung
26: HuK
27: Ret
28: Losira
29: Leenock
30: Seiplo
31: BlinG
32: MC


#1: (Z)MvPDongRaeGu

Pro's Pick: (P)dignitas.BlinG
TL's Pick: (T)ESC.GoOdy

Seeing that Bling is A) a foreigner, B) not known for his PvZ, and C) a foreigner, there's very little to fault about DongRaeGu's pick. Actually, Seiplo fits all of those criteria as well, but there's probably not a significant difference from DRG's perspective. Perhaps he just saw that Seiplo was from Sweden and figured “well, those guys aren't as bad as the rest.”

The real question here is WHY DIDN'T HE TAKE GOODY!?!?!? Goody was the only foreign Terran available for him to pick, and ZvT has historically been DRG's best match-up. Does this mean that DongRaeGu isn't confident in his ZvT lately? Or maybe he just thinks MLG maps are bad for ZvT? If this is because Goody beat Nestea once, a very long time ago in TSL3, then I'm going to jump off a building.


#2: (T)coL.GanZi

Pro's Pick: (T)ESC.GoOdy
TL's Pick: (T)ESC.GoOdy

Since leaving SlayerS, Ganzi has been looking very good in all three match-ups, and it wouldn't have been surprising to see him pick an opponent from any of the three races. Even so, with a lot of Korean Terrans complaining about TvP lately, it's understandable that Ganzi preferred Goody over Seiplo. With Ganzi coming off an impressive victory against Polt in Code A, and some sharp TvT performances in Spring Arena 1, this is a pretty good pick.


#3: (T)coL.Heart

Pro's Pick: (P)Ai.Seiplo
TL's Pick: (P)Ai.Seiplo

To no one's surprise, Heart decided to take the last remaining “foreigner Koreans have never heard of” in the pool. Though it's always a bit of a surprise when a Terran player picks a Protoss these days, Heart has looked strong against all his Protoss opponents in MLG so far (PartinG, HuK, MC, etc) so his confidence seems well founded.

Though I can't argue with Heart's choice of Seiplo, I wonder if Grubby might have been a better pick. The Korean pro-gaming logic seems to be “if I've never heard of him, he's probably not good.” While that makes some degree of sense, Koreans are occasionally ambushed and upset by players they've never heard of (Scarlett, Illusion). At least with Grubby, Heart would have had an easier time researching his opponent through a plethora of VODs and replays.


#4: (P)FnaticRC Oz

Pro's Pick: (P)Grubby
TL's Pick: (T)SlayerS_Ryung

With Ryung (generally not a winner of TvP) and IdrA (generally not a winner of tournaments involving Koreans) still left on the board, Oz's choice to go with a PvP was a daring one. Oz must still believe that he has de-luckified PvP, even though the trust of the GSL faithful has wavered ever since he got 0 – 3'd by PartinG while trying things like Forge FE and gas-first proxy DT. Oz beat Grubby once back at Winter Championship, but even then, Grubby managed to take a game to make it 1 – 2. As with any Korean-foreigner pick, Oz is still the favorite, but this one has a lot of upset potential.


#5: (T)dignitas.SeleCT

Pro's Pick: (T)FnaticRC Rain
TL's Pick: (Z)EG.IdrA

It's kind of weird to see SeleCT as the #5 seed going into this tournament. He left to train at the FXO house while he was on top of the NA scene, proceeded to actually regress during his time at a pro-gaming house in Korea, and has yet somehow managed to top NA's Arena qualifier over a number of Koreans. I don't want to get my hopes up over the qualifier run, though, because I remember what happened to Drewbie at Winter Arena. So perhaps SeleCT is very good, perhaps he's very bad – it's hard to tell.

At his best, SeleCT was a destroyer of Protosses, and it wouldn't have been surprising to see him pick Inori in the past. However, TvP has changed, and I suppose SeleCT has as well. I think Rain and IdrA were the two reasonable choices for SeleCT at this spot, and SeleCT's choice of the Korean was a curious one indeed.


#6: (T)EG.ThorZaIN

Pro's Pick: (P)TSL_Inori
TL's Pick: (P)TSL_Inori

ThorZaIN is one of the best foreigners in the world, capable of beating top level Koreans. What's interesting about it is that he's reached that level by doing his own research, forming his own opinions about the game, some of which are distinctly non-Korean. We may never see a 16 CC from ThorZaIN in TvP, or reactor hellions + cloak banshee in TvZ, but he seems to be fine without such Korean staples. Thus, even though he's challenging conventional wisdom by picking a Protoss and a Korean in Inori, I feel like he must have a very good reason. ThorZaIN has shown us some strong TvZ against players like Stephano, Monster, and viOLet, which made me think perhaps Ret would be a good choice, but if ThorZaIN thinks he has found a TvP playstyle that works for himself, then I'm excited to see it in action.


#7: (Z)Mill.Stephano

Pro's Pick: (T)SlayerS_Ryung
TL's Pick: (P)EG.HuK

Much like the player himself, Stephano's pick is a bit of a head-scratcher.

First off, isn't he more of a Protoss killer? Yeah, it's true that he's pretty much an everything killer in the West, but his ZvP was always more famous than his ZvT. Nevertheless, Stephano probably knows his match-ups better than we do, and we've seen a player's results in tournaments mislead the fans as to what match-up a player actually likes on multiple occasions (hi HuK, Sheth). [Tangent: On the other hand, can we really say that players' subjective confidence/comfort in their match-ups is a good predictor of their actual tournament results?]

But even if ZvT is Stephano's best match-up, why Ryung? Ryung's famous weakness is TvP – his TvZ is still pretty decent. Why not Dream, who's a far less proven player than Ryung, and has also never attended a foreign event? While Ryung hasn't had the best success, he's still a veteran of the international circuit at this point, whereas I wouldn't be surprised if this will be the 15 year old Dream's first time on an airplane.


#8: (P)aTn.Socke

Pro's Pick: (Z)EG.IdrA
TL's Pick: (Z)EG.IdrA

It's surprising to see IdrA fall beyond the halfway point in the draft. While I think IdrA's decline in pure skill has been a bit exaggerated, it seems pretty clear that his already lacking 'mental' (the blanket Korean term for confidence, composure, etc.) has fallen to critically low levels in 2012. Maybe IdrA was having just a particularly low moment, but basically admitting you have no passion left for the game and declaring defeat in public DOES NOT MAKE US OPTIMISTIC ABOUT HIS CHANCES.

Koreans say that sometimes, when you're up against a wall, and you've fallen into a rut, you have start over from the beginning, and rediscover the heart with which you began.

Anyway, thanks to Socke! I often used him as the fill-in player when I needed to make a “well, IdrA will just lose to a European Protoss's 200/200 army” joke, and finally, for the first time since NASL Season Two, people will actually see what I mean.


#9: (Z)TSL_Symbol

Pro's Pick: (T)MvPDream
TL's Pick: (T)MvPDream

Korean players tend to be tighter knit that foreigners, all living together in a metropolitan area around the size of San Diego. While unknown foreigners will certainly go first in any draft, I was wondering how long the bond between countrymen would hold once Koreans were forced to decide between their weaker kinsmen, and pricklier foreign opponents.

Well, apparently, not even Korean brotherhood can overcome one's distaste for ZvZ. With no more non-mirror foreigners left (HuK's practically Korean), Symbol showed that he'd rather crush a fifteen year old kid's dreams than face the battle-hardened Ret. Have a heart, Symbol! Don't you remember the days when you were Dream's age, when you were getting brutally crushed by veterans in Brood War qualifiers? All kidding aside, it was a pretty obvious pick for Symbol, who is coming off a close series against MMA at the Iron Squid grand finals and victory over Jjakji in Code A.


#10: (P)coL.Killer

Pro's Pick: (Z)Liquid`Ret
TL's Pick: (P)EG.HuK

Killer can't be terribly happy with this pick, but that's just how it is once you're down to just seven players to choose from. Killer squeezed into the Arena by playing in the NA qualifier, but in Korea, he's been showing less than Code S level play. All of the remaining Koreans are arguably Code S class, and HuK in particular has been Killer's tormentor in the GSL. That left just Ret, whose brutal dismantling of Code S Protoss Genius at DreamHack Stockholm must be fresh in Killer's mind. Still, I think that despite some painful losses at HuK's hands in the GSL, Killer was better off going into PvP with some coin-flip builds in this situation, than trying to defeat Ret in a straight up match.


#11: (P)Clash.MoOk

Pro's Pick: (Z)LG-IMLosirA
TL's Pick: (Z)FXOLeenock

Losira is single-handedly proving that the standard process of going from an online-only monster to a major tournament player can actually be reversed, something that should strike fear into the hearts of pro-gamers who think they have things figured out.

For the Zerg preferring Mook, this came down to a choice between viOLet, Losira, and Leenock. viOLet has beat plenty of great Protoss players in big tournaments, so I assume he was quickly removed as an option. When it comes down to Leenock or Losira, Leenock actually has a way worse ZvP record. But, since Leenock has been to two major tournament finals, I suppose that's why Mook went with Losira.

The thing is, while you can still say “I don't care about the stats, you can't count this guy out when it really matters.” about players players like Nestea or MC, I don't think you can apply that to Leenock just because he's been to two finals. He rode to the GSL November finals on the back of his ridiculously good ZvT, and won MLG Providence because he was riding a gigantic wave of momentum. The fact remains that he's never overcome his weak ZvP in an important situation, and it's still a flaw in his game.


#12: (Z)BLASTTefel

Pro's Pick: (Z)FXOLeenock
TL's Pick: (P)EG.HuK

What? Who? You can read more about Tefel in our upcoming, convenient scouting report, provided by tree.hugger and x6's Ver.

While Symbol hated ZvZ enough to choose to eviscerate Dream over playing Ret, Tefel has chosen to take on a strong ZvZ player in Leenock, rather than take one of his pale-skinned brothers, and a guy who's spent the better half of last week packing and flying in HuK. At this point, I'd like to believe that Tefel is not only a good-guy foreigner who refuses to team-kill his brethren, but also a daring soul who would rather take on a challenge than make a purely rational, soulless pick. It may not be true (because, you know, I conveniently called HuK a Korean when it suited the narrative), but it can't hurt to be positive about a player who's making his American debut. Keep in mind, if he ends up doing well, we might just have to keep him.


#13: (P)SlayerS_Alicia

Pro's Pick: (Z)Empire|viOLet
TL's Pick: (Z)Empire|viOLet

If Alicia came in with the attitude of “F*** PvP” – whether that meant Protoss vs Protoss or Protoss vs Polt – then he really didn't have much choice at #13 in the draft. I thought he looked okay against Terran players recently in the GSL, but it's totally understandable that he'd still want to avoid a TvP player of Polt's caliber. I guess this does mean Alicia thinks he had a better than 50% chance against viOLet (though I'm not sure I agree), as he would have otherwise just picked HuK and tried to make PvP devolve to its most random form.


#14: (Z)x6.Sleep

Pro's Pick: (P)EG.HuK
TL's Pick: (P)EG.HuK

I thought that Spring Arena 1's unmitigated disaster was a reflection of where HuK was at as a player, but perhaps his 1-6 record was only the result of a particularly bad day against a pool of very strong players. HuK was still on the board while players like Ryung, viOLet, Leenock, and Losira were getting taken, which is no mean feat.


#15: (T)SlayerS_MMA

Pro's Pick: (P)SK_MC
TL's Pick: (T)TSL_Polt

Pick your poison?

If MMA picked MC, then he would have had to play his worst match-up by far in TvP, against one of the most unpredictable and dangerous tournament players in MC. On top of that, MMA has looked weak while defending large two-base attacks from Protoss, something MC is very good at.

If MMA picked Polt, then he would have faced a player who had his number, with a favorable 8 – 4 record including a famous 4 – 0 sweep in the GSL Super Tournament finals.

It's easy to interpret MMA's choice as simply avoiding Polt at all costs, but I think that counter-relationship is pretty exaggerated. Polt only truly dominated MMA in the summer of 2011, and thereafter the two have been on fairly even footing. What's more likely is that MMA has confidence in his TvP (despite his recent tournament results), and has noticed MC's recently wavering PvT skills as well.


#16: (Z)Acer.Bly

Auto-Pick: (T)TSL_Polt

The very best part of any sequential draft/group selection is getting to see who goes last. It's often very revealing about who the players themselves consider to be the best, something that can be very different from what we'd expect from the just big tournament results. For example, GSL November showed that all the players knew to avoid Jjakji before most viewers in the west even knew his name, as he went second to last in group selections (MKP went last). As we all know, Jjakji went on to win that the championship.

So despite his unfortunate early defeat in Code S, his loss to ThorZaIN in the DreamHack Stockholm finals, and the fact that he is facing Up/Down matches in the near future, this draft tells us that players are still f***ing terrified of facing Polt. Maybe the draft pool wasn't the most intimidating one we've ever seen, but getting chosen last behind players like MC, viOLet, and Leenock is something Polt can be proud of.

While Bly was going to have tough time against any opponent that fell to him, I feel that Polt is one of the less-bad players Bly could have faced. While Polt is definitely as skilled as Leenock or MC, Bly will enjoy the fact that there's a TON of Polt TvZ VODs and replays to go through, thanks to Polt's fervent activity in the foreign scene. Sheth sniped Polt with a well prepared counter-strategy at MLG Columbus, and there's no reason Bly can't do the same.



Writer: WaxAngel.
Graphics: Meko.
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May 17 2012 18:52 GMT
#2
Gotta make my mind up -- which seed can I taaaaaaaakkkkeee?
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May 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#3
nice write up wax

go go Stephano!!
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Portugal5 Posts
May 17 2012 18:59 GMT
#4
WHY DIDN'T HE TAKE GOODY!?!?!? Goody was the only foreign Terran available for him to pick, and ZvT has historically been DRG's best match-up. Does this mean that DongRaeGu isn't confident in his ZvT lately?


He rather have a challenging opponent than winning easely
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Brazil2546 Posts
May 17 2012 19:00 GMT
#5
GoOdy, do it again, beat the koreans against all odds.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 19:19:38
May 17 2012 19:02 GMT
#6
where's the scouting report :O

nice writeup though. I'm surprised that you expected Killer to take HuK though, considering his traditionally terrible PvP. Also expecting ThorZaIN to pick a teammate as a new member of a team... sure way to piss people off.
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Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 17 2012 19:03 GMT
#7
Goody vs DongRaeGu woulda been an epic match T_T DRG WHY DIDN"T YOU PICK GOODY!!!
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
May 17 2012 19:04 GMT
#8
Nice write-up as usual. Must make Polt feel really good that basically every other player tried to avoid Polt, and really shows the pro-scene's opinion on Polt.
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 17 2012 19:05 GMT
#9
When Stephano was still in the shadow of Nerchio, he was famous for his ZvT. Day9 actually did a daily on him one year ago.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 17 2012 19:11 GMT
#10
On May 18 2012 04:03 Hulavuta wrote:
Goody vs DongRaeGu woulda been an epic match T_T DRG WHY DIDN"T YOU PICK GOODY!!!


By epic you mean completely one sided in DonRaeGu's favor? lol.
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Korea (South)26 Posts
May 17 2012 19:13 GMT
#11
Stephano yay!
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Germany5224 Posts
May 17 2012 19:13 GMT
#12
On May 18 2012 04:03 Hulavuta wrote:
Goody vs DongRaeGu woulda been an epic match T_T DRG WHY DIDN"T YOU PICK GOODY!!!


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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 17 2012 19:14 GMT
#13
lol Ganzi is about to get GoOdy'd pretty hard.
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CrugerDK
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark323 Posts
May 17 2012 19:16 GMT
#14
i predict GoOdy beating some heavily favoured korean against all odds. it just seem to be the way of things.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#15
Why would you expect Thorzain to pick his own teammate? That seems like a strange prediction to me.
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 19:21:47
May 17 2012 19:18 GMT
#16
DRG's reputation may have originally been made as a ZvT specialist but it's actually his weakest matchup now. According to TLPD at least, he has the lowest win percentage in ZvT both internationally and in Korea. I'm not saying he would have trouble with Goody but the ZvT choice isn't an obvious one and Goody has a way of making strange things happen.

Additionally, Thorzain and IdrA are teammates, they're 4-4 in games and IdrA won the most recent series.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 17 2012 19:18 GMT
#17
GanZi: lololol some german scrub who is slow and play mech.
GanZi: kk I make stim dragoon and toy with him for warm up.
*loses 50 supply*
*Counter attacks*
GanZi: "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-"

Trust me guys. It's going to happen.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 19:22:46
May 17 2012 19:20 GMT
#18
On May 18 2012 04:17 Chicane wrote:
Why would you expect Thorzain to pick his own teammate? That seems like a strange prediction to me.


ah whoops, thought he was on mouz >_<

brb re-write D:
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Profile Joined September 2011
United States22 Posts
May 17 2012 19:20 GMT
#19
I love the picture of DRG, Violet and Parting. Should be used every time! Lol.
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Canada8302 Posts
May 17 2012 19:23 GMT
#20
HuK being picked third last is veeeery interesting.
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United States1619 Posts
May 17 2012 19:27 GMT
#21
Moral Support: R1CH.


Nice little tid-bit
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France1763 Posts
May 17 2012 19:29 GMT
#22
Ballsy pick by Stephano, hope it works well
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United Kingdom419 Posts
May 17 2012 19:29 GMT
#23
I wish MMA chose Polt so MC can smash this Bly kid.
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Brazil2534 Posts
May 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#24
i like this kinda of stuff :D Gonna be a great weekend.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
May 17 2012 19:34 GMT
#25
Awesome write up once again and man wish we had seen that sooner
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United States301 Posts
May 17 2012 19:47 GMT
#26
Sad... No Parting..
For Aiur
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
May 17 2012 19:56 GMT
#27
On May 18 2012 04:47 morevox wrote:
Sad... No Parting..


Parting is such sweet sorrow...
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
May 17 2012 19:58 GMT
#28
Thanks for a great write-up, I hope Thorzain can inch past Inori (who's somewhat underrated). Beware of DTs!
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Brazil18 Posts
May 17 2012 19:59 GMT
#29
I guess DRG doesn't want to show how his ZvT looks like before going up against a big opponent.
Reval
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United States297 Posts
May 17 2012 20:00 GMT
#30
Wow idra really said that on stream? oh dear

Gogo bling =) gotta root for the UK protoss
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4765 Posts
May 17 2012 20:03 GMT
#31
lovin stephano's and MMA's picks
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Bolivia8 Posts
May 17 2012 20:04 GMT
#32
EGIdrA!!!!!!!
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Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
May 17 2012 20:06 GMT
#33
Some information on Tefel that might be useful:

- He's veeery good polish zerg, who recently became full pro and is getting beter very fast.
- He bit Nerchio 3-0 in a recent online event, you can say it was close but convincing win.
- He lacks exp. in LANs and tend to get nervous.
- Leenock being Tefel's pick is probably influenced by Nerchio's victory over Leenock in Iron Squid.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 20:08:02
May 17 2012 20:07 GMT
#34
Didn't even know that MLG had a draft system, all these new qualifiers and arenas with all their various formats are quite obscure. Would have been fun to see some sort of draft show seeing the players' reactions, but I guess given the format that wasn't possible.

Symbol showed that he'd rather crush a fifteen year old kid's dreams than face the battle-hardened Ret. Have a heart, Symbol!

Haha, you really went all the way with Symbol picking Dream, Waxangel.
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
May 17 2012 20:19 GMT
#35
On May 18 2012 04:20 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 04:17 Chicane wrote:
Why would you expect Thorzain to pick his own teammate? That seems like a strange prediction to me.


ah whoops, thought he was on mouz >_<

brb re-write D:


I actually learned from reading this writeup that he had switched teams, despite my checking TL all the time I missed it.

Great article!
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
May 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#36
I like how this photo is the go-to photo for arena frontpage images now.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
SKiller
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland39 Posts
May 17 2012 20:27 GMT
#37
Nice article. GoGo Tefel and Stephano!
"More GG, more skill" White Ra
Nuubie
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden66 Posts
May 17 2012 20:37 GMT
#38
Waxangel, you're a f****** genius as you've proven tons of times lately.. Much appreciated!
He had the same don't-give-a-f*** attitude from his stream, where he all-ins every game and shamelessly plays three ads.
vinsky
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland48 Posts
May 17 2012 20:40 GMT
#39
tefel got this, u ll see
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ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 20:48:52
May 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#40
Ah, Stephano.... why you so mad ? ^^ he really has balls down to the ankle, hope it won't make him drop.
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
castled
Profile Joined March 2011
United States322 Posts
May 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#41
This format is really interesting. Being seeded in the lower part of the top 16 is actually quite bad, because you're forced to pick someone very good who's left over, even though you have a higher seed than them. But while the format is bad for these players, it seems good for the tournament by making up for the fact that the seeding is nowhere near accurate. With this system, there should be less heavyweight players knocking each other out in the first round than if the seeds were actually used.
An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
May 17 2012 20:51 GMT
#42
I'm soooooooooo pumped up for this arena and i soooooo regret that i hadn't pay 30$ for whole spring. Still, it's definitely worth it's prize.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
May 17 2012 20:57 GMT
#43
Read the rules, who the f wants to do that?

lol, would have been nice to have the wind-up, but was a good pitch of info.

Would be awesome if you could get some interviews on the decisions
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
May 17 2012 21:03 GMT
#44
Wow, I didn't see the itg episode where IdrA said that. That's a strong statement. :/
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
May 17 2012 21:10 GMT
#45
nice format! I like it a lot because it creates a lot of interest for the players and the tournament as a whole.
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soon.Cloak
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States983 Posts
May 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#46
It sounds like you were surprised about Idra's latest antics. I enjoy his rage immensely :D
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
May 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#47
goody 2012 mlg champ
banelings
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
May 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#48
Huk wins it all.
Morrolan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States182 Posts
May 17 2012 21:20 GMT
#49
Ret is definitely going to beat Killer.
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
May 17 2012 21:25 GMT
#50
No one seems to say it, so i'll come out and do it.

GO GRUBBY!
JonnyClark
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom79 Posts
May 17 2012 21:26 GMT
#51
YOU CAN DO IT BLING! it's only dong rae gu no big deal. UK fighting!
xNebulous
Profile Joined May 2012
United States142 Posts
May 17 2012 21:31 GMT
#52
I really hope IdrA will do well here... It is just so hard to believe it though
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
May 17 2012 21:34 GMT
#53
Well, here in EU GoOdy always gets this massive fan support during lan events that let him beat Stephano and so on. But @ MLG we will not hear any "Goody, Goody, Goody". TvT was GoOdys best matchup for a long time. However, GoOdys TvT lacks some experience recently because of rare good Terran opponents in EU (thx Blizzard). I feel also bad for Tefel and Bly with this picks. Both definitly better zergs then Idra. Seiplo has a good chance to win against heart.
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
May 17 2012 21:36 GMT
#54
On May 18 2012 06:16 leo23 wrote:
goody 2012 mlg champ


We dream all the same dream.
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
May 17 2012 21:36 GMT
#55
Good writing,

Oz will definetly crush any Protoss here tho.

why should he have lost confidence after overestimating himself in the series against PartinG? Iam sure he got over that, and will show us his excellent micro here.
Flash
Hothep
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden8 Posts
May 17 2012 21:45 GMT
#56
But rly, why is idra even seeded for these events?
If u want filé, u have to pay extra.
Kkxtrouble
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil575 Posts
May 17 2012 21:49 GMT
#57
On May 18 2012 06:45 Hothep wrote:
But rly, why is idra even seeded for these events?

Because he won his invitational bracket.
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
May 17 2012 21:55 GMT
#58
On May 18 2012 06:49 Kkxtrouble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 06:45 Hothep wrote:
But rly, why is idra even seeded for these events?

Because he won his invitational bracket.


He was not seeded top 16. Thats why he was picked by Socke.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 17 2012 21:56 GMT
#59
Ryung is not amused.

thegiantnome
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States125 Posts
May 17 2012 21:56 GMT
#60
I hope this tournament bodes well for IdrA. I fear it is to late for him anyway but if he wins it may be the beginning of a resurgence.
Today is a great day to forget all your problems and create bigger new ones- Dane Cook
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
May 17 2012 21:58 GMT
#61
On May 18 2012 06:56 StarVe wrote:
Ryung is not amused.

https://twitter.com/#!/SlayerSRyung/status/203241112775827457


I would bet that stephano dont even know who Ryung is. I think Stephano doesnt watch korean sc2.
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
May 17 2012 22:05 GMT
#62
Nice to read this!!!
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
May 17 2012 22:17 GMT
#63
On May 18 2012 04:20 eisenhoward0 wrote:
I love the picture of DRG, Violet and Parting. Should be used every time! Lol.


Violet looking at DAT ASS never gets old.
ffxiv enjoyer
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 17 2012 22:28 GMT
#64
Fun write up, was a good read. I'm too surprised that Idra fell so low. Its a more favorable opponent than what he could ask for.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
May 17 2012 22:41 GMT
#65
On May 18 2012 04:20 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 04:17 Chicane wrote:
Why would you expect Thorzain to pick his own teammate? That seems like a strange prediction to me.


ah whoops, thought he was on mouz >_<

brb re-write D:

Not really a prediction if you change it later on due to public opinion.

However, in this case it was likely called for.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 23:03:57
May 17 2012 23:03 GMT
#66
Polt's not doing too bad, per se. I think his results are just worse than we expect because of how stubborn he is. I think people are terrified of randomly being the first opponent where Polt decides to just play to win, rather than play to have fun.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 17 2012 23:04 GMT
#67
If this is because Goody beat Nestea once, a very long time ago in TSL3, then I'm going to jump off a building.


Don't worry, Wax.
When you jump off that building and splatter yourself into little wax pieces,
we here at teamliquid promise to collect your remains, melt it and reform you again.
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moo...for DRG
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 17 2012 23:14 GMT
#68
Keep in mind, if he ends up doing well, we might just have to keep him.


Tefel to 'Liquid, you heard it here first!
Thank God and gunrun.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 17 2012 23:17 GMT
#69
Picking HuK for Killer? Have you seen that guy's PvP?
Zellidon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States19 Posts
May 17 2012 23:22 GMT
#70
Can't open TL frontpage now without thinking dat cannonress nice trollin xD
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 18 2012 00:06 GMT
#71
Everyone is favored against goody. No matter how many golds goody brings esc, everyone is always favored against goody. Goody simply doesn't care and beats them anyway.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
May 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#72
On May 18 2012 06:58 Atrimex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 06:56 StarVe wrote:
Ryung is not amused.

https://twitter.com/#!/SlayerSRyung/status/203241112775827457


I would bet that stephano dont even know who Ryung is. I think Stephano doesnt watch korean sc2.


They were both at IPL4 UK qualifier, so he knows who he is, although they never played one another. Strange that he would pick him over Dream, HuK or even IdrA.
Hadley_
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany157 Posts
May 18 2012 01:22 GMT
#73
20$? I hope they are joking. Why would anyone pay for the 3rd(?) MLG PPV in like 2 Month...
Just keep playing D3 and catch the VODs of the best Matches a week later.
verne
Profile Joined September 2010
United States43 Posts
May 18 2012 01:29 GMT
#74
"Maybe IdrA was having just a particularly low moment, but basically admitting you have no passion left for the game and declaring defeat in public" -waxangel




what?? when??? if you're going to make outlandish statements like this you really should cite your source for this information. I have to assume you're trying to be sensationalist to get people talking about your writing or something. I have a hard time believing this took place. when and where did he "declare defeat" and in what context??
You can't fix stupid.
marcelluspye
Profile Joined August 2011
United States155 Posts
May 18 2012 01:33 GMT
#75
Love the write-ups, great read!
marcelluspye
Profile Joined August 2011
United States155 Posts
May 18 2012 01:35 GMT
#76
On May 18 2012 10:29 verne wrote:
"Maybe IdrA was having just a particularly low moment, but basically admitting you have no passion left for the game and declaring defeat in public" -waxangel




what?? when??? if you're going to make outlandish statements like this you really should cite your source for this information. I have to assume you're trying to be sensationalist to get people talking about your writing or something. I have a hard time believing this took place. when and where did he "declare defeat" and in what context??


I do believe that text was a link (and not just underlined like it may have appeared to be) to an Inside the Game where IdrA basically said that he thought that SC2 was a shit game but he plays it because people are willing to pay him for it. I don't really remember though, and I don't feel like rewatching the whole episode, but I remember him saying something to that effect.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 18 2012 01:44 GMT
#77
can't wait to see Violet play against Alicia... thought he would be picked earlier though
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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
May 18 2012 02:42 GMT
#78
On May 18 2012 10:29 verne wrote:
"Maybe IdrA was having just a particularly low moment, but basically admitting you have no passion left for the game and declaring defeat in public" -waxangel




what?? when??? if you're going to make outlandish statements like this you really should cite your source for this information. I have to assume you're trying to be sensationalist to get people talking about your writing or something. I have a hard time believing this took place. when and where did he "declare defeat" and in what context??

On last itg at the end he was asked a few questions which basically went like this:

Q: How are you feeling for spring arena 2 given you have been slumping quite bad. Do you feel good going into it?
A: Nah i just kinda suck now. Spring arena is not looking good for me.

Q: Have you gotten worse or everyone else gotten better?
A: Don't know. I still feel that I play well, but then i always just lose, so i guess everyone else has gotten better.

Q: You feel you leave too early?
A: Yes. The game is just frustrating for me so I leave too early a lot.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 18 2012 03:00 GMT
#79
On May 18 2012 10:29 verne wrote:
"Maybe IdrA was having just a particularly low moment, but basically admitting you have no passion left for the game and declaring defeat in public" -waxangel




what?? when??? if you're going to make outlandish statements like this you really should cite your source for this information. I have to assume you're trying to be sensationalist to get people talking about your writing or something. I have a hard time believing this took place. when and where did he "declare defeat" and in what context??



Click the text in the main post it links you to a podcast video that was done, and that's when he said it.
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 18 2012 03:02 GMT
#80
Is this pay-per-view?
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Chengakz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States163 Posts
May 18 2012 03:15 GMT
#81
It's gonna be Huk's time again!!! Please for the love of Xelnaga Gods, let it be him again.
For Aiur!
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
May 18 2012 03:39 GMT
#82
dat picture always make me smile
Progamer
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
May 18 2012 04:58 GMT
#83
I don't like how wax almost always fits in a comment about how he thinks PvP is a coinflip. If anything it has been proved as the most dynamic mirror match as of late. And it has most definitely been proved to be an arena where the best player almost always wins. cough *Squirtle*.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
May 18 2012 05:08 GMT
#84
On May 18 2012 04:00 antilyon wrote:
GoOdy, do it again, beat the koreans against all odds.

i honestly have no idea how he wins games sometimes, hes like a wizard
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#85
dat tongue
get rich or die mining
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0dem
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany129 Posts
May 18 2012 05:55 GMT
#86
Goody has got this
I really like his play. "If you cue up units, they build faster :D"
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
May 18 2012 06:29 GMT
#87
I want to see the Panzer General go far... GOGO GOODY!
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
May 18 2012 09:17 GMT
#88
nice write up!
go go goody socke huk!!
Cj hero | Zest
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
May 18 2012 15:08 GMT
#89
On May 18 2012 13:58 paddyz wrote:
I don't like how wax almost always fits in a comment about how he thinks PvP is a coinflip. If anything it has been proved as the most dynamic mirror match as of late. And it has most definitely been proved to be an arena where the best player almost always wins. cough *Squirtle*.


If by that you mean "it's a complete coinflip apart from when Squirtle is playing" then I agree with you.
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
May 18 2012 18:26 GMT
#90
On May 18 2012 06:58 Atrimex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 06:56 StarVe wrote:
Ryung is not amused.

https://twitter.com/#!/SlayerSRyung/status/203241112775827457


I would bet that stephano dont even know who Ryung is. I think Stephano doesnt watch korean sc2.

thats what he says yes
asdfg
MIKster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany333 Posts
May 22 2012 08:44 GMT
#91
Nice analysis.
Munich StarCraft & BarCraft | www.munich-starcraft.de
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
June 07 2012 10:46 GMT
#92
I don't know where to ask this but, i have been searching for quite some time now and i can't find any replays. Will they be available soon ? Are they released yet? thxx a lot !
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
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