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[GSL] Code S RO16 Preview & Code A/S Recap

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[GSL] Code S RO16 Preview & Code A/S Recap

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April 17th, 2012 18:35 GMT
  • GSL on Liquipedia
  • Code S RO16: Group A Preview
  • Code A RO48: Day One Recap
  • Code S RO32: Group E Recap

Code S RO16: Group A Preview


By: Waxangel

Group A: (P)MvP.Genius, (P)Quantic.NaNiwa, (T)oGs.SuperNoVa, (T)ST_Virus


Match One: Genius vs NaNiwa

As the player with the most GSL points in the RO16, Genius was allowed the very first pick of the group selection ceremony. With possible twelve players to choose from, it was a bit of a surprise that Genius decided to go for Quantic's NaNiwa. While Genius said a lot of things during the group selection ceremony, I kept thinking he was intentionally avoiding saying anything of substance. He downplayed his previous Code S run as being a lucky streak, mentioned he had been lax in practice in the last few weeks, and gave no clear reason for his NaNiwa pick – other than the fact that he gave up his original choice of Terran opponent (likely Maru) due to convincing from PartinG and MC.

Genius' RO32 pick (the two finalists get to pick their first opponents) might provide more insight on why he picked NaNiwa. There, Genius went with a very utilitarian pick in BBoongBBoong, statistically a poor ZvP player, and definitely a player on the shallow end of the Code S skill pool. With that in mind, it seems plausible that Genius could have picked NaNiwa simply because he thinks foreigners are worse than Koreans. It's a strategy that worked for Jjakji when he crushed Sen in Code S Season One, so it makes some sense.

However, it's still PvP, and it's strange that Genius would take a player who has beat Puzzle, MC, and JYP in the last month. Sure, Genius has looked strong in PvP as well, taking down MC 3 – 0 in his last series, but considering that PvT has been his most impressive match-up, it's surprising that he left Terrans on the table (especially if it's true that he talked to MC and PartinG, and they planned to take Terrans for themselves).

Whether or not Genius is underestimating NaNiwa, this is pretty much the same to me as the NaNiwa vs Puzzle match in being very even. As far as PvP is concerned, NaNiwa is a Code S class Korean and on par with Genius. Players like HuK, Oz, and Elfi might have pulled off win streaks that made them seem unusually good at the Protoss mirror, but for the most part there's usually very little separating top level PvP players from one another.


Match Two: SuperNoVa vs Virus

The Genius –> Naniwa pick vexed me a little bit, NaNiwa –> SuperNoVa seemed reasonable, but SuperNoVa –> Virus had me tearing my hair out. With most pro-gamers content to pick guys they think they can beat instead of going for glory, the players left at the end of the group selection draft are usually the scariest guys in the room. Progamers know what's up before the general public does, and we can see that from how aLive, SuperNoVa, PartinG, and Genius were last season's final four. For Code S November, Bomber, Nada, Jjakji, and MKP were the last four picks in the RO32 group selections.

So, that begs the question, how the f*** does Virus get into that tier? Don't get me wrong – Virus played pretty decent in his Up/Down group, and actually played really well in his Code S RO32 group against Nestea and MC. However, the fact that he's actually being avoided suggests that his recent performances aren't a fluke, and that he's legitimately way better than his career 46.91% win rate says. What the fans see isn't always what the progamers see: People were almost fighting over fan favorite Maru because they thought he was an easy opponent, while our cult hero Virus got left for last. Maybe Maru is the kid who got a bit lucky, while Virus is the player who's coming up strong in 2012. Or maybe he just fell through the cracks.

Whether Virus has mutated or not, this head to head still seems to favor SuperNoVa. Virus might have looked strong against Nestea and MC, but he looked totally outmatched by Jjakji (not the best TvT player) in their Code A meeting last season. He looked much better against ForGG in his Up/Down group, winning a game where he was at a big disadvantage – though you might say that ForGG's stake of zero in that game made him let go after taking a lead. SuperNova has been fairly mediocre in his recent TvTs as well, but at least historically the quality of his TvT player has always been better than Virus. It's a battle of "meh" versus "eh" in TvT, but one player appears to have the advantage.


Winners', Losers', and Final matches: TvParadise

After the initial pair of mirrors, we're guaranteed to have some PvTs. As we've seen in the RO32, players like PartinG and Oz can make the match-up look pretty much imbalanced, while players like Mvp can fire back with "NOPE, MARAUDERS!" Though we've seen precious little of Genius outside the GSL, his performances from Code S Season One where he beat MKP in a tense series and made aLive look like a jobber in the semi-finals puts him solidly in the imba PvT category. For all his talk about being lucky and not practicing, he's probably going to crush whichever Terran player he faces. Though Genius lost to SuperNoVa in the RO32, he only lost because he made a one-in-a-hundred terrible decision after easily thwarting SuperNova's all-in.

In NaNiwa's case, he had an easy time against the TvP impaired Ryung in the RO32, but SuperNoVa and Virus are tougher opponents. His match against Virus is essentially a StartaleQ team-kill, and it will have all the prediction defying weirdness that goes along with team-kill games. NaNiwa was confident enough in his PvT to pick SuperNoVa, and he did happen to say that he thinks SuperNoVa is a player who needs preparation to play at his best level (NaNiwa must have watched IEM Sao Paulo and the World Championship, where SuperNoVa played below his Code S regular reputation). SuperNoVa claimed two days was enough, but that will remain to be seen in a fairly close match-up.


Overall Outlook and Prediction

This is a pretty evenly matched group where there's a plausible 1st place finish scenario for everyone. The Protoss players can flip on their mirror and play their good match-ups. SuperNoVa is simply a guy who always seems to play his best in Code S, and Virus is a mega-mystery who is probably going to mess up everyone's liquibets. No doubt, this one is tough.

NaNiwa > Genius
SuperNoVa > Virus
SuperNoVa > NaNiwa
Genius > Virus
NaNiwa > Genius

SuperNoVa and NaNiwa advance. As long as it's too close to call, might as well go with the foreigner in the PvP's for a second week in a row.


Code A RO48: Day One Recap


By: Fionn

Ace Up The Sleeve

It wasn't the prettiest victory, but (P)ST_AcE was able to survive against oGs' (Z)JookTo in a close 2-1 series. Neither player's control was at their best, but after going down to a mass of hive units in the first game, Ace was able to use both a clever warp prism attack and solid three base play to pick up two consecutive wins and get into the next round. Jookto, known as one of the better players on oGs in practice, again looked like a player who didn't show his full potential in the booth.


Stung in the Heart

Can we please, as a community, make a support group for (Z)BumblebeePrime? Not only was he the first player in GSL history to go 0-5 in the Up and Down groups, but he also had the shame of losing to a foreigner in the first round of IPL4, and not even a European at that. We know that foreigners are a bit better than Koreans give them credit for, but I doubt that will help Bumblebee's reputation in the Korean community. Now, he's got almost nothing going for him, being sent straight back down to Code B.

After not being used in Prime's victory against Startale in the GSTL Finals, he returned back to Korea with redemption on his mind against Complexity's (T)Heart. Instead of getting revenge for the past month of disappointment in the GSL, the sadness only continued with Heart taking a 2-0 sweep over the downtrodden Prime player. While Heart gets another shot at Code S after a strong performance at MLG Columbus and a nice debut in Code A last season by upsetting Bomber, Bumblebee must once more go into the Code A qualifiers to try and get back into the GSL.


Midnight for Cinderella

For a few minutes, (P)dtGGanDoL looked like he was on his way to achieving the upset of a lifetime, just a game away from getting to the second round of Code A after eliminating (Z)BBoongBBoongPrime. In the face of B4's tireless pressure in the first game, GGandol was able to impressively hold and then hit with a great counter-attack using a giant blink stalker and colossi army to win himself an unbelievable first victory. Sadly, the carriage made of gold turned into a pumpkin at midnight, and B4 proved why he was in Code S a few weeks ago, and why GGandol was a mid-masters player. B4 didn't let GGandol settle-in during the next two sets, putting an ample amount of pressure on the GSL rookie and was able to take him off his game. The miracle run couldn't continue and B4 rolled through the final two sets to take the series. Although he lost, GGandol, who a lot of people thought would be a joke opponent, actually proved that he could hang with one of the better Zergs in Korea and is someone to keep your eye on in Code A qualifiers from now on.


Deflated

In his first game against (Z)TSL_Symbol, (T)MvPsC played well in a long macro game victory, suggesting that poor health or not, he was still more than a Code A player. His bio control was on point and even after losing force after force, he kept rallying in an endless amount of units using his trademark macro until his opponent couldn't hold on any longer.

Unfortunately, after showing us one of his best games in months, sC couldn't seal the deal. His aggressive rush in game two failed against Symbol's great defense, and then fell to Symbol's own early game bust in the deciding set. It was an important victory for Symbol, a player whose strong performances in a variety of tournaments outside the GSL suggested that he was a player to look out for. With the lack of Zergs in Code S, Symbol might be the player to watch out for in upcoming GSL seasons.


DRG Doesn't Have Time For This

Let's keep this as short as the sets were. (Z)MvPDongRaeGu did a quick pool in the first game and speedling all-in'd an unsuspecting (Z)TSL_RevivaL who went for a fast expansion with late banelings. In the second game, DRG followed that up with a zergling-drone-spinecrawler rush, easily defeating another hatch first build from Revival. DRG wants to be back into Code S as soon as possible, and he isn't messing around in Code A.


JYProves He Belongs

Against one of the better Zergs in the world, (P)EG.JYP was able to pick up his biggest GSL win in quite a while by 2-0'ing (Z)NSH_Seal. The first game was an absolute classic as both players were able to continuously pressure, back-stab, and harass each other into an exciting game that came down to an epic, climactic battle between massive armies. Seal was able to get a neural on JYP's mothership and throw down a vortex on his army, but wasn't able to capitalize as JYP's army was still too strong. JYP was able to keep up his momentum in game two and take an easier game that time around.

While JYP has weathered one difficult test from NS Hoseo to make it to the next round, he now faces an even tougher challenge from the New Stars. His next opponent is Jjakji, whose TvP is known to be as good as JYP's PvT is bad. A victory against Seal was a good statement, but if he can pull the victory against Jjakji, there will be no doubts JYP has not only improved his PvT, but that he belongs in Code S.


Red Card for Soccer

This series came down to one key moment. After battling back after getting his economy wiped out by cloaked banshees in the early game, (P)SlayerS_Ven (formerly known as Soccer) was able to put himself in a good position in the late game against the heavy favorite (T)FnaticRC aLive. aLive had applied some nice pressure all game with auto turrets and banshees, but his main micro control on his bio army hadn't been the best and he had lost most of his medivacs along the way. With maxed out armies and Ven having a great composition consisting of colossi and high templar against the mainly bio army of Alive, things were looking bright for the Protoss player after a disastrous start.

Then, as happens to be the trend with Slayers recently, things fell apart in the blink of an eye. With 1A probably enough to win the game, Soccer command moved his colossi and the rest of his army outside his base, leaving himself wide open to Alive's vikings and bio force that cleaned up everything in a matter of seconds. That was all she wrote for Soccer as he lost the game and then succumbed to bunker aggression from Alive in game two to fall into Code B.


Huk Hacked Down

StartaleQ cannot be stopped. After their controversial loss in Las Vegas, they came back with all four of their players winning their respective Code S groups and followed that up with two more Code A victories tonight. (T)ST_Hack was too much for the foreigner favorite with a strong bionic play in game one that gave him the win. Things were going well for (P)EG.HuK, but in what seemed like only a few seconds, after a strong dual push + drop from Hack on Huk's newly created third and main, the foreigner was down 50 supply and against a bio player with an insane amount of medivacs at his disposal. Things only got worse in game two with Hack deciding that he didn't want a long game, going for a one base marine all-in that streamed in marine after marine to Huk's natural expansion. With an immortal and forcefields, Huk was able to hold on for a few minutes, but with stim completed and medivacs out, Hack did a drop in Huk's base and finished things off to get the 2-0 victory.


Game of the Night: (P)EG.JYP vs. (Z)NSH_Seal - Game One

Seal, for the second straight season, delivered one of the best Code A series, but continued his streak of having incredible games while also being eliminated in the first round. Both players were able to play at their best, but JYP was able to eck out a victory and secure his spot in the second round with a strong showing.

Code S RO32: Group E Recap


By: Waxangel

No Cure for the Code S Virus

The Code S Virus is in danger of growing from localized outbreak into an all-out pandemic. (T)ST_Virus defeated past GSL champions (P)SK_MC and (Z)IMNesTea to earn a first place finish in his group, a shocking result for a player better known for his survivalist skills than world-beating ability. What made it all the more impressive was Virus' ability to outplay his illustrious opponents in straight up games, without resorting to the all-ins many had expected.

Virus showed that he could use MMM with the best of them in his first game against MC, where he defeated the Protoss President in a straight up, macro slugfest. On the other hand, it was a game that was revealing for MC as well, showing that despite his unparalleled ability to win in the early to mid-game, he was definitely no PartinG when the game went late. Virus couldn't help but follow up the victory with a loss to one of MC's aggressive, two base attacks, but he was able to fend off another one in the deciding game to clinch first place.

Against Nestea, Virus was just as good – if not even better. Nestea's aggressive lair stage bust caught him off guard in game one, but in games two and three, Virus played solid macro games with great multi-tasking that had Nestea huffing and puffing to keep up. By running Nestea ragged before he could put together meaningful hive compositions, Virus won with surprising ease.


MC vs Nestea – Deferred Dream Rematch

With Virus securing first place, there was only room for one more player in Code S. Both Nestea and MC swept aside Inca with almost laughable ease, making it a duel between former GSL champions for the 2nd place spot.

One year ago, it would have been the most eagerly awaited duel in all of Starcraft II, but in April of 2012, it was more of a heat-check for two resurgent veterans trying to make their way in a harsher, more competitive world. The result of this partial diagnosis didn't come as too much of a surprise: MC was more suited to go on.

For a player who had built his career on unerring defense since the oldest of days, it was disappointing to see Nestea to drop the first game to some simple one-base pressure from MC. Perhaps he was caught off guard by the President's willingness to play such an old-school style, but it felt like Nestea was losing to a strategy he had fought off multiple times in the past, even in its stronger, pre-nerf variations. The second game saw Nestea completely unable to deal with the fast third base style of Protoss, his three base roach-hydra timing coming after colossi were already on the battlefield, and his mutalisk switch destroyed by range upgraded phoenixes.

After a strong run at IPL4, where the lack of preparation time between matches was supposed to be Nestea's weakness, it was disappointing to see Nestea lose so easily in Code S. It could have been an off day, similar to those of Jjakji, DRG, and aLive, but one cannot deny that Nestea's consistency is questionable.


Inca vs Nestea – Deferred "Dream" Rematch

(P)oGs.InCa did not disappoint in his games against Nestea, bringing a bizarre three-base carrier build on his way to a 0 – 2 defeat. Nestea laughed, and exploited the immobility of carriers by using his muta-ling to alternately wreak havoc on Inca's three bases. After killing seventy probes, Nestea decided it was time to end the game and made some corruptors to finish off the carries. With this series, Inca dropped to 0 – 6 all time against Nestea.


Game of the Night: (T)Virus vs (P)MC – Game One

Though we've been spoiled by PartinG and Polt in terms of absolutely top class PvT, Virus and MC still provided an entertaining PvT slugfest. MC played well, while Virus really rose above expectations by showing a long TvP late game. In general, Virus' games were all very interesting as he looked much better than his previously sub 50% win-rate in everything record would suggest.

















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Writers: Fionn and Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
April 17 2012 18:50 GMT
#2
MC fighting :-)
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
April 17 2012 18:52 GMT
#3
awesome write up!
sad about huk
and i guess DRG is too boss for code A ^^
*rawr* d(^_^d)
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
April 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#4
InCa just can't catch a break against NesTea ;;

SuperNova for GSL Champion ~~ + Show Spoiler +
Cursed
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#5
In response to the request for a community support group can I make a sad bumblebeeprime fanclub then?
Glorious SEA doto
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
April 17 2012 19:02 GMT
#6
Oh, InCa. 12-24 in PvZ with a full third of those few victories coming from nobody-class player Sirius.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
April 17 2012 19:04 GMT
#7
Nice recaps. Poor inca though
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
April 17 2012 19:06 GMT
#8
Man DRG just.... man....

Thanks for the writeup, as always.

Hoping Nani can keep the dream alive! Got a pretty good group for that too (for the second time in a row)
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 19:08:25
April 17 2012 19:08 GMT
#9
Is Seal the new Cliiiiiiiiiiiiide?!?

Amazing player, never wins.
R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
April 17 2012 19:12 GMT
#10
"JYProves He Belongs"
No words can describe how quickly I my insides ceased functioning after reading that.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 17 2012 19:12 GMT
#11
[MCfanboyon]

The criticism of MC's lategame PvT is unjust. It wasn't his play that was bad ("he is no Parting" is perhaps accurate), his Storms were on point, his Warp Prism management was excellent and so on. He just uses bad builds for the lategame. Look at his upgrades compared to any other PvT game - faaaaar behind, because he has always had a style of making more Gateway units before getting upgrades. If he used a more efficient (better?) lategame build, his control would easily be on the same level as many other top PvT players. Perhaps still no Parting, but I would put MC's lack of PvT strength at the moment down to his tournament travels. Once again, MC participates in tons of tournaments all over the world, and it shows. His builds in PvT all look somewhat antiquated - not vintage old-school enough to catch people by surprise, like some of Genius' plays or Squirtle's, but just a couple of months behind the trends, which leaves him floundering to overcome the strategic disadvantage with pure mechanics.

Give him a month or so, and his PvT will no longer be a problem. Just look at his PvZ: by far his worst matchup nearing the end of 2011 while he was still travelling the world, but then he went back to Korea and by the time of Blizzard Cup he was already tearing up Zergs easily, only losing to DRG because he made Carriers (yup.. Genius wasn't the first to do this against DRG in an important match) while 2-1 up.

I think his series against Virus is not a testament to MC's weaknesses. It is a testament to both Virus' improvements and that MC's skill is so great that he can keep on fighting, nearly beating other Code S players, while playing catch-up from the strategy sacrifice that is playing abroad constantly.

[MCfanboyoff]
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
April 17 2012 19:27 GMT
#12
I don't understand how a progammer such as inca can't focus on a matchup and improve at it
Trance music makes the fairys dance
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33334 Posts
April 17 2012 19:29 GMT
#13
I've determined that eight puns is too many, and for Code A we shall have to come up with something more creative than bad puns for titles
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
April 17 2012 19:43 GMT
#14
Naniwa has a pretty good chance again even though this group is a little bit harder than his Ro32 group. I still believe in the Dragonslayer and it would be cool if Virus made it through too.

Naniwa fighting!
SC2, rip in pepperinos
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 17 2012 19:46 GMT
#15
It's a sad state of affairs when the zerg-hope is a player who passed to the next round on the back of getting two coin-flips right :{
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
April 17 2012 20:02 GMT
#16
I like the group prediction
Naniwa Fighting!
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 17 2012 20:03 GMT
#17
I feel like anyone can beat anyone in 80% of the matches this Ro16, gonna be so sick :o
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
April 17 2012 20:07 GMT
#18
Who came up with the order of the article? Sort of dumb yeah having the first one that spoils the last one?
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
April 17 2012 20:11 GMT
#19
On April 18 2012 04:29 Waxangel wrote:
I've determined that eight puns is too many, and for Code A we shall have to come up with something more creative than bad puns for titles

I for one appreciate bad puns! Bad puns for everybody!
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
Acidosis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States172 Posts
April 17 2012 20:25 GMT
#20
Whether Virus has mutated or not


Cringe worthy.
“The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.” -BK
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
April 17 2012 20:33 GMT
#21
Dunno why, but I see nani as a young flash.. if to put aside his emotional side.. he feels like a robot.. a potential, future, megarobot
Not even death can save you from me.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
April 17 2012 20:50 GMT
#22
Nani > Genius? you wish...
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33334 Posts
April 17 2012 20:53 GMT
#23
On April 18 2012 05:25 Acidosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
Whether Virus has mutated or not


Cringe worthy.


I'm so proud T_T
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
April 17 2012 21:14 GMT
#24
too bad we couldn't get the group E writeup a little sooner (maybe with code A preview?) but all good articles nonetheless.
i think it'll be a naniwa>supernova and genius>supernova for a double protoss victory
well won
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
April 17 2012 21:22 GMT
#25
On April 18 2012 05:07 Snijjer wrote:
Who came up with the order of the article? Sort of dumb yeah having the first one that spoils the last one?


Common, please stop that "spoiler" crying. We all watched the GSL, we just here to read what TL thinks.
Every sports sites buts the spoilers straight in front, it is expected.
TL is not here to substitute the excitement of watching the VoDs.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
April 17 2012 21:43 GMT
#26
On April 18 2012 04:06 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Man DRG just.... man....

Thanks for the writeup, as always.

Hoping Nani can keep the dream alive! Got a pretty good group for that too (for the second time in a row)


i wouldnt say he has hood group, Genius 3-0 MC, who is god of pvp, Virus just beat 2 GSL champions (MC, Nestea), SuperNoVa is solid all around macro beast...but yeah at least its not pvz...
INTOtheVOID
Profile Joined January 2012
United States225 Posts
April 17 2012 21:47 GMT
#27
On April 18 2012 05:33 gosublade wrote:
Dunno why, but I see nani as a young flash.. if to put aside his emotional side.. he feels like a robot.. a potential, future, megarobot


Naniwa is probably my favorite foreign player, but come on...no one in the sc2 scene can be mentioned in the same sentence as Flash.

GOGO Naniwa, stick it to all the koreans who have disliked you since your probu build, haha.
Pink Floyd's music is like a beautiful girl walking down the street who won't talk to you.
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 17 2012 21:53 GMT
#28
Naniwa > Genius twice? lol
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 22:10:44
April 17 2012 22:07 GMT
#29
On April 18 2012 06:53 HGurryp wrote:
Naniwa > Genius twice? lol

Weirder things have happened in PvP. Also genius is inconsistent, don't let his recent results fool you.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
April 17 2012 22:08 GMT
#30
Naniwa &genius fighting!! It would be the best cinderella story if naniwa won this season,but it seems the most unlikely.
Where do whores go?
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
April 17 2012 22:35 GMT
#31
On April 18 2012 05:33 gosublade wrote:
Dunno why, but I see nani as a young flash.. if to put aside his emotional side.. he feels like a robot.. a potential, future, megarobot


Uh, yeah. No offense, but I don't really see that at all.
I deadlift for Aiur
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 17 2012 22:39 GMT
#32
I wonder if people will still doubt Virus after he wins a GSL Championship. I wonder if doubting him is more genetic than anything else. I don't necessarily think he's going to win a championship, but I think some people have a genetic predisposition for counting him out.
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Icaeth
Profile Joined March 2011
Chile77 Posts
April 17 2012 22:51 GMT
#33
On April 18 2012 07:39 Sumahi wrote:
I wonder if people will still doubt Virus after he wins a GSL Championship. I wonder if doubting him is more genetic than anything else. I don't necessarily think he's going to win a championship, but I think some people have a genetic predisposition for counting him out.


I think the same way, so weird. Even Genius, last Gsl finalist, win easily his group, prediction says he loses 2 pvp bo3 against naniwa, lol xD
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
April 17 2012 23:00 GMT
#34
On April 18 2012 04:29 Waxangel wrote:
I've determined that eight puns is too many, and for Code A we shall have to come up with something more creative than bad puns for titles

Lol, especially with "Deflated". Really? Really?
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][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
April 17 2012 23:18 GMT
#35
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
April 17 2012 23:31 GMT
#36
Everyone underrates Genius so much, he's fooling everybody with his "got lucky last season". I bet we will see Genius in ro4 at least this season as well. He's a sneaky player imho!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 17 2012 23:36 GMT
#37
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.


Maybe if he goes against Virus (the guy who looked so good against MC), but really:

Genius has never looked "bad" in PvP. He does have a loss to Naniwa in a Bo1 of course and it is PvP so anything goes. But still Genius has beaten most great PvPers except Oz and never lost a Bo3 PvP in GSL. Really have no idea how you think Genius should lose 9/10 PvPs to Naniwa, maybe 5/10.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1894&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=9&from_day=13&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=31&action=Update

Cheese or not, Supernova has always had pretty freaking good TvP. He had a poor season 1 with TvP, but in march he's beaten out Creator, Seed and Genius. If those aren't 3 good Protoss players you're crazy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=26&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=30&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=26&action=Update

Basically, if Naniwa doesn't drop a map I'll be shocked. Does he have a chance of getting through? Yeah sure he does, he probably got the best group of the lot. Would I put any money on it: no. Genius would get my money. Beyond that not as sure.
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Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
April 17 2012 23:54 GMT
#38
Naniwa will 2-0 his group again.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
April 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#39
Go nani!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 00:21:27
April 18 2012 00:18 GMT
#40
I think Koreans are being cautious of Virus because his recent success is the most bizarre aberration you're going to see in the competitive scene. Generally players have meteoric rises (Maru, MMA), slow and steady success (DRG, Hero, Life, Creator), burn bright and flame out (Yonghwa, Sage), or get stuck at a certain level and/or gradually decline (Supernova, sC). People don't play mediocre for an entire year and start kicking ass randomly. Genius did it last season and it immediately shook up the entire power structure of the GSL; people didn't know how to deal with his improved play and Genius smashed the opposition on his way to the finals. Now Virus is stepping up and guys don't want to face someone who's an unknown quantity, the worst thing you could have in a prep-based tournament where anyone can conceivably beat anyone else.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Surgical_Strike
Profile Joined April 2012
United States72 Posts
April 18 2012 01:11 GMT
#41
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.



Ummm I like naniwa too..,, and I was really glad to see him prove the haters wrong in ro32.. but are you serious? lets not forget that naniwa was 0-11 in the gsl going into his RO32 group. To say he could beat genius 9/10 is completely ridiculous. Its very hard to beat anyone with reasonable skill at this game 9/10 times. And this other thing about Naniwa being a young flash? I mean really guys? I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here after Naniwa got 2 wins and took a group... your just setting him up for dissapointment and even stronger hate from the haters.
Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
April 18 2012 01:42 GMT
#42
DRG doesn't disappoint, so fun to watch. Too bad about HuK but it is what it is.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
April 18 2012 01:56 GMT
#43
rofl did anyone else read DRG's report in Adam Jensen's voice from Deus Ex Human Revolution?

I never asked for this.
Super66
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia3 Posts
April 18 2012 02:17 GMT
#44
The DRG vs Revival series was hilarious, its like DRG was saying I dont need strategies against a Code A zerg pfft
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 02:30:17
April 18 2012 02:29 GMT
#45
Hasn't SocceR changed his name back to SocceR? The GOM website and broadcast changed his ID, he was playing using the Character ID SocceR, he's changed his ladder ID back to SocceR. Can we please forget that he ever had that name change and go back to calling him SocceR?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
April 18 2012 02:32 GMT
#46
On April 18 2012 11:29 pdd wrote:
Hasn't SocceR changed his name back to SocceR? The GOM website and broadcast changed his ID, he was playing using the Character ID SocceR, he's changed his ladder ID back to SocceR. Can we please forget that he ever had that name change and go back to calling him SocceR?

Your aversion towards "Ven" is kind of funny.

I do greatly prefer him as SocceR though.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
April 18 2012 02:34 GMT
#47
On April 18 2012 11:32 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 11:29 pdd wrote:
Hasn't SocceR changed his name back to SocceR? The GOM website and broadcast changed his ID, he was playing using the Character ID SocceR, he's changed his ladder ID back to SocceR. Can we please forget that he ever had that name change and go back to calling him SocceR?

Your aversion towards "Ven" is kind of funny.

I do greatly prefer him as SocceR though.

Because it's a godawful nickname that makes HopeTorture look good. At least you could make puns from HopeTorture.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
April 18 2012 04:07 GMT
#48
On April 18 2012 11:32 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 11:29 pdd wrote:
Hasn't SocceR changed his name back to SocceR? The GOM website and broadcast changed his ID, he was playing using the Character ID SocceR, he's changed his ladder ID back to SocceR. Can we please forget that he ever had that name change and go back to calling him SocceR?

Your aversion towards "Ven" is kind of funny.

I do greatly prefer him as SocceR though.

I feel like a terrible SocceR fan now, I didn't know Ven == SocceR. It was never brought up (while I was paying attention). Good to know he hadn't disappeared, but instead picked up a terrible ID.
R.I.P. 우정호 || Do probes dream of psionic sheep?
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
April 18 2012 07:46 GMT
#49
"And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa."

aLive begs your pardon?

;-) I'm afraid you might be disappointed by your probe-rushing and disrespectful foreigner fan favorite.
Keidy
Profile Joined June 2009
253 Posts
April 18 2012 08:03 GMT
#50
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.

I just love this post. Dont agree but stil love it haha. Hope you are right though
Proxy22
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark9 Posts
April 18 2012 09:53 GMT
#51
Naniwa hahaha

Showing the haters how it's done.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
April 18 2012 09:58 GMT
#52
NaNiwa!
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
April 18 2012 10:58 GMT
#53
thanks a lot for all the work you people put in here. It's always good to read about the games, that you can't watch
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
April 18 2012 11:33 GMT
#54
On April 18 2012 10:11 Surgical_Strike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.



Ummm I like naniwa too..,, and I was really glad to see him prove the haters wrong in ro32.. but are you serious? lets not forget that naniwa was 0-11 in the gsl going into his RO32 group. To say he could beat genius 9/10 is completely ridiculous. Its very hard to beat anyone with reasonable skill at this game 9/10 times. And this other thing about Naniwa being a young flash? I mean really guys? I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here after Naniwa got 2 wins and took a group... your just setting him up for dissapointment and even stronger hate from the haters.


Tell me, bro.

How you feelin' right now?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 18 2012 11:35 GMT
#55
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.


I don't know what wizard gosu stuff you use to make you predictions but keep them coming!
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
April 18 2012 11:38 GMT
#56
On April 18 2012 08:54 Shinespark wrote:
Naniwa will 2-0 his group again.


I called it.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 11:41:00
April 18 2012 11:39 GMT
#57
The Dragonslayer has become a Dragon!

4-0 in games today, sup sons? :')

So far he has only lost ONE map.. making it total 8-1 in games in this code S since Ro32.
(:
PsyChoRo
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania85 Posts
April 18 2012 11:40 GMT
#58
omg naniwa !! that was, for me at least, an unexpected result but i am glad i was proven wrong . gl in ro8
stumpgrinder
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden4 Posts
April 18 2012 11:40 GMT
#59
nani 2 - 0 -------> kleen 'N ezi
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
April 18 2012 11:50 GMT
#60
On April 18 2012 10:11 Surgical_Strike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.



Ummm I like naniwa too..,, and I was really glad to see him prove the haters wrong in ro32.. but are you serious? lets not forget that naniwa was 0-11 in the gsl going into his RO32 group. To say he could beat genius 9/10 is completely ridiculous. Its very hard to beat anyone with reasonable skill at this game 9/10 times. And this other thing about Naniwa being a young flash? I mean really guys? I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here after Naniwa got 2 wins and took a group... your just setting him up for dissapointment and even stronger hate from the haters.


Just gotta read this OOOOONE more time...
Information is everything
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
April 18 2012 12:02 GMT
#61
Genius and Virus to go through for me. I can't help the feeling that Virus is going to be the surprise package for this season and could go quite far. And I just can't see Genius dropping enough games to go out here, despite the tough opposition. Its going to be pretty close though.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
April 18 2012 12:06 GMT
#62
On April 18 2012 05:50 Greenei wrote:
Nani > Genius? you wish...

Nice call, schnarf(?). It should have been Nani = Genius.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
April 18 2012 12:06 GMT
#63
On April 18 2012 21:02 Lightspeaker wrote:
Genius and Virus to go through for me. I can't help the feeling that Virus is going to be the surprise package for this season and could go quite far. And I just can't see Genius dropping enough games to go out here, despite the tough opposition. Its going to be pretty close though.


NaNi is already through, He shat on both Genius and Virus :')
lamo
Profile Joined March 2010
Lithuania17 Posts
April 18 2012 12:22 GMT
#64
Man, NaNi looked like something else today, he was on fire! he always looked solid, whether all-ining or double expanding. His builds just look like he knows what the opponent is going to do. Keep it up NaNi!!!
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
April 18 2012 12:54 GMT
#65
Tastosis get absurdly hilarious in their exhausted oxygen-starved brain delirium.
There are three types of people in the universe: those who can count, and those who cant.
kruxey
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria168 Posts
April 18 2012 12:58 GMT
#66
I hope the Naniwa haters will stop predicting him loosing every game after he is 8-1 in gsl...
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
April 18 2012 14:55 GMT
#67
Awesome to see a white guy win in GSL! Nani playing the 2nd place from group B is rather good news as well.

Also awesome Tasteless quote:
-Who want some?
-I want some!
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
April 18 2012 15:09 GMT
#68
Poor Seal keeps getting matched against PvZ monsters -- JYP and Squirtle have the best PvZ in the world (at least statistically). Seal, IMO, definitely belongs in Code S.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
April 18 2012 15:37 GMT
#69
On April 18 2012 06:22 testthewest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 05:07 Snijjer wrote:
Who came up with the order of the article? Sort of dumb yeah having the first one that spoils the last one?


Common, please stop that "spoiler" crying. We all watched the GSL, we just here to read what TL thinks.
Every sports sites buts the spoilers straight in front, it is expected.
TL is not here to substitute the excitement of watching the VoDs.


Not everyone who came here to read watched the GSL.

I come here only to read the recaps because I don't have the time to watch the VoDs but am still interested in finding out what is happening.

What I am suggesting - putting results of 32 before the preview of 16 is not something that is incredibly difficult to do. It's plain common sense.
pewpew444
Profile Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 19:12:31
April 18 2012 15:45 GMT
#70
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
April 18 2012 15:59 GMT
#71
I'm just waiting to the next article, where Naniwa's face will be front and center on TL again.

Naniwa hwaiting!
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 18 2012 16:18 GMT
#72
I'm expecting this pic as the banner for tonights recap:
+ Show Spoiler [Ro16 Group A] +
[image loading]
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 19:37:48
April 18 2012 16:19 GMT
#73
Mod can remove this post as certain people may take offense. Someone actually did (but hey it's the Internet)
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
April 18 2012 16:31 GMT
#74
My favorite one is "DRG Doesn't Have Time For This."
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
April 18 2012 17:01 GMT
#75
On April 18 2012 05:50 Greenei wrote:
Nani > Genius? you wish...


Oh its posts like these which make's Naniwas victory even more gratifying! I wasn't even really a Naniwa fan but it was amazing to see the amount of doubt (understandable) people had for him
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 18 2012 17:18 GMT
#76
On April 19 2012 01:19 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 08:36 bittman wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.


Maybe if he goes against Virus (the guy who looked so good against MC), but really:

Genius has never looked "bad" in PvP. He does have a loss to Naniwa in a Bo1 of course and it is PvP so anything goes. But still Genius has beaten most great PvPers except Oz and never lost a Bo3 PvP in GSL. Really have no idea how you think Genius should lose 9/10 PvPs to Naniwa, maybe 5/10.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1894&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=9&from_day=13&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=31&action=Update

Cheese or not, Supernova has always had pretty freaking good TvP. He had a poor season 1 with TvP, but in march he's beaten out Creator, Seed and Genius. If those aren't 3 good Protoss players you're crazy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=26&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=30&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=26&action=Update

Basically, if Naniwa doesn't drop a map I'll be shocked. Does he have a chance of getting through? Yeah sure he does, he probably got the best group of the lot. Would I put any money on it: no. Genius would get my money. Beyond that not as sure.


Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 10:11 Surgical_Strike wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.



Ummm I like naniwa too..,, and I was really glad to see him prove the haters wrong in ro32.. but are you serious? lets not forget that naniwa was 0-11 in the gsl going into his RO32 group. To say he could beat genius 9/10 is completely ridiculous. Its very hard to beat anyone with reasonable skill at this game 9/10 times. And this other thing about Naniwa being a young flash? I mean really guys? I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here after Naniwa got 2 wins and took a group... your just setting him up for dissapointment and even stronger hate from the haters.


Yes breh I was serious...


I see you are the kind of person who gets maybe 1 prediction in 5 correct, then goes and quotes that prediction to "prove" to everyone that your prediction was correct.

What do you want? A medal?
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 19:19:27
April 18 2012 19:18 GMT
#77
On April 19 2012 02:18 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 01:19 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:36 bittman wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.


Maybe if he goes against Virus (the guy who looked so good against MC), but really:

Genius has never looked "bad" in PvP. He does have a loss to Naniwa in a Bo1 of course and it is PvP so anything goes. But still Genius has beaten most great PvPers except Oz and never lost a Bo3 PvP in GSL. Really have no idea how you think Genius should lose 9/10 PvPs to Naniwa, maybe 5/10.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1894&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=9&from_day=13&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=31&action=Update

Cheese or not, Supernova has always had pretty freaking good TvP. He had a poor season 1 with TvP, but in march he's beaten out Creator, Seed and Genius. If those aren't 3 good Protoss players you're crazy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=26&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=30&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=26&action=Update

Basically, if Naniwa doesn't drop a map I'll be shocked. Does he have a chance of getting through? Yeah sure he does, he probably got the best group of the lot. Would I put any money on it: no. Genius would get my money. Beyond that not as sure.


On April 18 2012 10:11 Surgical_Strike wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.



Ummm I like naniwa too..,, and I was really glad to see him prove the haters wrong in ro32.. but are you serious? lets not forget that naniwa was 0-11 in the gsl going into his RO32 group. To say he could beat genius 9/10 is completely ridiculous. Its very hard to beat anyone with reasonable skill at this game 9/10 times. And this other thing about Naniwa being a young flash? I mean really guys? I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here after Naniwa got 2 wins and took a group... your just setting him up for dissapointment and even stronger hate from the haters.


Yes breh I was serious...


I see you are the kind of person who gets maybe 1 prediction in 5 correct, then goes and quotes that prediction to "prove" to everyone that your prediction was correct.

What do you want? A medal?


Why do you care what type of person he is?

Do you want a medal for being a morally upright citizen of TL?
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April 18 2012 19:35 GMT
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On April 19 2012 02:18 SeaSwift wrote:
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On April 19 2012 01:19 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:36 bittman wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.


Maybe if he goes against Virus (the guy who looked so good against MC), but really:

Genius has never looked "bad" in PvP. He does have a loss to Naniwa in a Bo1 of course and it is PvP so anything goes. But still Genius has beaten most great PvPers except Oz and never lost a Bo3 PvP in GSL. Really have no idea how you think Genius should lose 9/10 PvPs to Naniwa, maybe 5/10.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1894&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=9&from_day=13&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=31&action=Update

Cheese or not, Supernova has always had pretty freaking good TvP. He had a poor season 1 with TvP, but in march he's beaten out Creator, Seed and Genius. If those aren't 3 good Protoss players you're crazy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=26&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=30&to_year=2012&to_month=3&to_day=26&action=Update

Basically, if Naniwa doesn't drop a map I'll be shocked. Does he have a chance of getting through? Yeah sure he does, he probably got the best group of the lot. Would I put any money on it: no. Genius would get my money. Beyond that not as sure.


On April 18 2012 10:11 Surgical_Strike wrote:
On April 18 2012 08:18 ][Primarch][ wrote:
I can't see any of these players be close to Naniwa, as stupid as it sounds for some Naniwa would eat Genius a live in any kind of extended series, obviously he could get lucky but naniwa should win 9/10 PvP vs genius. And there no terrans in the world except Polt, Mkp and Jakjii that can stand up to Naniwa. Supernova and Virus best have some really good cheese in store to have any chance to take a map vs Nani.

In the ro 32 thread with naniwa I predicted Naniwa not dropping a map (I was wrong as he did drop one map) and I offer up the same prediction again.



Ummm I like naniwa too..,, and I was really glad to see him prove the haters wrong in ro32.. but are you serious? lets not forget that naniwa was 0-11 in the gsl going into his RO32 group. To say he could beat genius 9/10 is completely ridiculous. Its very hard to beat anyone with reasonable skill at this game 9/10 times. And this other thing about Naniwa being a young flash? I mean really guys? I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here after Naniwa got 2 wins and took a group... your just setting him up for dissapointment and even stronger hate from the haters.


Yes breh I was serious...


I see you are the kind of person who gets maybe 1 prediction in 5 correct, then goes and quotes that prediction to "prove" to everyone that your prediction was correct.

What do you want? A medal?


First of all you don't know me at all so maybe you should not state that you know what kind of person I am.

Secondly there is something wrong with you, either you hate naniwa or you must be a very bitter person (maybe both). Cheer up and spread some happiness instead of the BM, that will help you a lot.
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