EPTDreamhack 2012 Circuit Announced - Page 3
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RaiD.RaynoR
United States294 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13927 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:21 Eee wrote: That's why I said bad luck, but MLG is the recurring organizer in this scenario, not IEM, Assembly or DH. Either way It's very unfortunate, I hope all organizers try to get their act together and get a lot better at co-operating with each other. I remember back in october I think it was it was evo mlg and gsl finals on the same weekend. IEM china was suppose to be then too but they took their chance on a different event. out of anyone I think its mlg that could ajust easiest but with all the bad blood between dreamhack and mlg I doubt that either will want to play nice with each other. if everything goes on whats announced mlg should be running 11 events I'm sure that collisions will be happening a lot. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
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battyone
United States180 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:13 Ballack wrote: Erm.. Even though they don't collide timewise, they are definetely colliding in every other way. You might be able to watch SC2 16 hours a day, very few others do. This will undoubtubly affect the organizations. Okay, the watching 16 hours a day nonwithstanding, where else is this a problem? Assembley/MLG proved we have an ample playerbase to run two tournaments on the same weekend, and have exciting matches for both tournaments. Teams will have to decide how to split their players, but with MLGs invite structure it probably won't be as big of a deal (qualify for that and go there since it's all expenses paid, otherwise team sends you to dreamhack.) We're likely to see more EU players @ Dreamhack, and more NA/KR at MLG. I guess what I am asking is if you could elaborate a bit on how it will impact the organizations. *EDIT -- to be clear this is a legitamate question, I'd like to explore how things like this impact the scene overall. | ||
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
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Kreb
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 03 2012 07:09 lowreezy08 wrote: sick and tired of seeing tournaments collide, it's quite pathetic actually, how noone can communicate with each other. It's not as bad as it could be, as the PPV viewership for MLG Arenas are not very high, and the time zones minimize the duration of overlap | ||
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Bumblebee
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:10 pharena wrote: With e-sport getting bigger we really need some forum to avoid these scheduling conflicts And there are ... ? Time zones etc.. Or you are talking about players ? , they can chose what event they wanna go. I dont know how you , but im dont wanna see same players in every event. There was a time.. MC , IDRA , Select , White-ra and many more was in every tournament , yes i like this players , but i wanna see other's to. | ||
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Pipeline
Sweden1673 Posts
On March 03 2012 07:25 Bagration wrote: It's not as bad as it could be, as the PPV viewership for MLG Arenas are not very high, and the time zones minimize the duration of overlap I don't think he was referring to the actual viewing hours. I think the point is that no matter how big the difference is in broadcast time/time zones it still the same players you want to get for your event. We want the best players at every event! We dont want to force them to make a choice  | ||
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BookII
Australia400 Posts
So a positive could be that not having these tournaments a weekend after each other, the players that attend each respective tournament will be able to perform their all, rather than playing from lack of practice/exhaustion. Especially since it is only a couple of weeks after IPL4 in Vegas. I know this might not be a popular opinion (we might not get to see the most high stardom matches 2 weeks in a row) but I think it's definitely a positive for the players and in turn, the fans. | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On March 03 2012 07:29 pallad wrote: And there are ... ? Time zones etc.. Or you are talking about players ? , they can chose what event they wanna go. I dont know how you , but im dont wanna see same players in every event. There was a time.. MC , IDRA , Select , White-ra and many more was in every tournament , yes i like this players , but i wanna see other's to. Well yes players can choose but how does it look to a organization when players turn down your event when you invite them cause they rather play a other tournament? Would you invite them the next time? I wouldn't tbh, so i imagine it's not easy for players to make choices like that. Big events like this should never take place at the same days imo, you put players in though spot and your exaggerating a sports with a relative small audience. It's just not smart to do for so many reasons. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On March 03 2012 07:28 Bumblebee wrote: I can't really say enough how unfortunate it is that these events keep clashing with each other. The least you guys can do is try to communicate with each other and try to find solutions for it. Are players really interested in going to all event anyway? HuK has complained about travelling numerous times at least. I mean, if you went to all MLG/DH/IPL/NASL/ASUG ROG/IEM/HSC and GSL on top of that you wouldnt be doing much else than travelling. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
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trashman
United States113 Posts
Anyway, even if they were, say, one weekend after another, it's not like you'd be getting tons of Koreans willing to fly to NYC, back to Korea, and then to Europe the next weekend and back again, so the odds that we as viewers are missing out on DRG or whoever playing two big events aren't that great. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On March 03 2012 07:05 battyone wrote: Okay, the watching 16 hours a day nonwithstanding, where else is this a problem? Assembley/MLG proved we have an ample playerbase to run two tournaments on the same weekend, and have exciting matches for both tournaments. Teams will have to decide how to split their players, but with MLGs invite structure it probably won't be as big of a deal (qualify for that and go there since it's all expenses paid, otherwise team sends you to dreamhack.) We're likely to see more EU players @ Dreamhack, and more NA/KR at MLG. I guess what I am asking is if you could elaborate a bit on how it will impact the organizations. *EDIT -- to be clear this is a legitamate question, I'd like to explore how things like this impact the scene overall. Basicly, both events will have significantly lower viewerships than if they had not collided. We're talking about the two biggest esports organizers except for GSL in SC2 going head-to-head. This is not the same as what we had last weekend. Dreamhack is probably gonna draw much more viewers from MLG than Assembly did. Also, the hardcore fans of MLG who still want to pay for the arena event surely would have tuned in to Dreamhack were it not in the same weekend. For the last arena they made an EU/NA/KR qual, so I think we're gonna have just as many EU representatives at MLG, but yeah in Dreamhack there will prolly be a lot of Europeans. As Sundance said, most Esports organizers are barely getting by atm, so putting multiple huge events at the same weekend when you only do about 5-10 events a year is beyond sloppy. If Dreamhack still goes for the free HD quality stream method, they rely on high ratings, and that's just not gonna happen when a heavy-hitter like MLG has an event as well. People are gonna have to make a choice. If they buy the MLG arena pass, they will surely have that as their main focus. People who won't pay for MLG will naturally choose Dreamhack, and I'm intrigued to see if people still support MLG in the way they did last weekend, as Dreamhack makes fantastic events. | ||
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Keenethic
Romania2 Posts
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:16 Eee wrote: I'd like to point out that this is the third time in the latest 7 months that an MLG event collides with an another major event, could be just bad luck or just terrible communication from their side. MLG has stated that they have attempted to talk to the other events (IE Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly, IPL, NASL, GSL, gaming conventions, excetera) I can imagine some events have their sites booked well in advance and companies like MLG that are creating new events all the time lose. I do see MLG becoming the most presigious SC2 tournament to participate on the globe for these reasons. 1. They are willing to pay for all of your flight/hotel/transportation 2. Top 8 in Regional open online qualifiers gets #1 and seeded into Arena 3. Top 16 in Arena gets #1 and seeded into pool play for offline LAN. pool play = better player treatment 4. Top 8 in offline LAN gets #1 for next Arena, skips online qualifier, and gets seeded into the Arena 5. Open bracket at the offline event | ||
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