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[GSTL] Champion's Return

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[GSTL] Champion's Return

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
February 17th, 2012 05:42 GMT

Table of Contents







Champion's Return
Intro



FXO vs MvP
Match Preview



NSH vs Prime
Match Preview


By the Numbers
Opinion



Check out the GSTL on Liquipedia



Return



Today begins the first week of the “real” GSTL. Done are what were essentially seeding matches, now each team must fight through a double-elimination bracket to become the champion. Though on closer inspection, the last three weeks have been a sort of elimination bracket also with eight teams, except we've just replaced ZeNEX and TSL with Prime and MvP.

This will be the first appearance of last year's champions, MvP, as well as the runner-up Prime. They face off against the lowest seeded teams from the earlier rounds which might be easy warm-up matches in other circumstances, but this is team league where anything can happen.

With the fat gone and the champions back to reclaim their rightful place, the the GSTL will become as scary a battleground as any.

Group A Ro8

by Heyoka


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(Wiki)FXOpen                 (Wiki)MvP

Starters: (P)FXO_Tear vs (T)MvP_Keen


After an unlucky first week, FXO pummeled ZeNEX in the consolation round for a spot in the main branch of the tournament. Their reward for destroying the hopes and dreams of the near-death team is facing off against last year's champions.

MvP took a lot of flak last season for being a one dimensional roster of DongRaeGu and Genius, with little depth to their roster past their two stars. While not much has changed in regards to the quality of play past their aces, the current GSL Code-S season has shown both of them have improved drastically since the conclusion of last year's GSTL. As a whole it appears the team is at least as strong as before, and though Keen and sC have fallen from Code-S they should still be relevant in this format.

However, despite finding themselves near elimination in the first stage of the GSTL, FXO still has more than a chance. GuMiHo has recently demonstrated that he is not only one of the most fun Terrans to watch, he is currently playing the best Starcraft of his life. Should he be too busy preparing for his next match in GSL, against DongRaeGu of all people, Oz can be counted on for strong games in addition to Leenock and Lucky. It's a scary lineup on both sides.

I still think MVP has the edge, but with the three most notable players in this match playing in GSL next week anything can happen.

MvP 5 – 3 FXO.

Group B Ro8

by Heyoka


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(Wiki)HoSeo                 (Wiki)Prime


Last season Prime was the Cinderella story of the GSTL, almost. After a mediocre season they found themselves catapulted to to the playoffs thanks to a last-match F.United win after a three-kill from Fenix. From there they kept winning, and before long they were in the finals where MVP stopped their dreams cold. Their good luck in a past life puts them in position to play HoSeo, who have started their season with two matches only worth noting for being on the wrong end of a Bomber all-kill.

The Prime of today is largely the same line-up as days gone by, although technically they're now without Polt from the get-go instead of halfway through. They're a team more known for their identity, for their colorfulness and heart rather than raw skill, and with MarineKing out of Code-S they are comprised entirely of Code-A material.

Still, their roster is filled with players that are all slightly better than the version of them we saw last year. BBoongBBoong, Terious, cOre, Creator, and Maru look improved in the last few months and have solidified their places as middle of the road Code-A men.

HoSeo as a team is in largely the same place. They are full of players that are good, but not great. Most of their team has the same story as Prime, but with occasionally wilder or more crazy builds. HoSeo's advantage comes in the form of their ace, Jjakji, who won a GSL gold just months ago and is still capable of tearing it up when need be. This match is likely to come down to the wire, and Jjakji is what HoSeo needs to tip things in their favor.

HoSeo 5 – 4 Prime.

By the Numbers

by Divinek



Last season, the GSTL ended with a pretty balanced winrate overall:

Race Stats (non-mirrors):
TvZ: 28-31 (47.5%)
ZvP: 19-17 (52.8%)
PvT: 29-29 (50%)


Pretty solid overall, but...

Let's look at something - or someone - that ignores and defies race-stats when it comes to a team league setting, DongRaeGu. Is he a human-dragon hybrid? An abstract construct designed to laugh in the face of the format? Merely one man that can crush a whole team? It is no doubt that DRG within a team league is an anomaly, while in normal play he’s a superstar, in this last team league he essentially broke the system. Reverse all killing nearly every time to carry them to the finals is something not many can compare to. I don’t know if he has some special juice he drinks before team matches only, or if he thrives off the momentum with his roll out technique. Either way, DRG is a team league monster, even long before his qualification for Code-A. Since I’m going to be looking at numbers (as abstractly as possible) lets look at what DRG alone did for the winrate numbers in last year's league:

ZvP: 19-17 (52.8%) Zerg on top!
ZvT: 31-28 (52.5%) Zerg on top!


Now if we take out DRG we are removing a 7-2 ZvT record and a 3-0 ZvP record bringing us to

PvZ 17-16 (51.5%) Protoss!
TvZ 26-24 (52%) Terran!


Clearly DRG breaks the team league, boasting a +11 score differential, nearly 3 times that of anyone else behind him, and crushing the significance of the rest.

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Ridiculous.


Perhaps we can thus claim DRG to be the king of adaptation, thriving in an environment that is difficult to prepare for. All of these extremely talented teams throw their best snipers or high pressure players at him and he steam rolls through them regardless of the map or the build situation. Since this team league massacre ended last fall he’s been crushing nerds very handsomely in individual leagues as well.

Thus we must ask, is the team league just a good place to foster Zerg talent? Can everyone transfer over so easily between situations of preparation and ones of adaptation? Will further kings of their races rise up in the team leagues?

With DRG in mind we can take a look at the team league holistically, with this pretty little chart for reference. Remember these are purely 2011 Season 1 numbers.

MapPvZTvZTvPTvTZvZPvP
Antiga Shipyard2 - 12 - 31 - 0412
Bel'Shir Beach2 - 21 - 41 - 111
Crevasse1 - 11 - 12 - 23
Crossfire SE1 - 13 - 24 - 62
Daybreak2 - 02 - 51 - 2
Dual Sight1 - 34 - 43 - 0312
Metalopolis2 - 42 - 21 - 2622
Tal'Darim Altar LE6 - 26 - 24 - 6512
Terminus RE1 - 11 - 01 - 01
Terminus SE3 - 11 - 33 - 2444
Xel'Naga Caverns3 - 14 - 34
Xel'Naga Fortress1 - 54 - 4521


There’s no coincidence that chart is primarily blue, if there’s one thing that was true about this past team league it’s that it was cool to be Terran. Of the 361 games played we see a break down like this:

Games with Terran = 151 (41.8%)
Games with Protoss = 105 (29%)
Games with Zerg = 105 (29%)


This was also true of the mirror match ups, of the 55 mirrors that took place we had:

34 TvT (62.8%)
10 ZvZ (18%)
11 PvP (20%)


Another over-representation of Terran. Though, to be frank, I find it the most enjoyable mirror to watch because of how variable the openers can be, and how long and interesting the games can go. Ultimately an abundance of Terran is probably good for DRG, as back before his ZvP had become the force it is today ZvT was what made him known.

Looking back to the chart above, out in front with two match ups is Tal’Darim Altar LE. Judging purely on numbers, it appears Zerg had a rough time here. Not counting mirror match ups Zergs accumulated 12 losses on this map, which means:

Total Zerg losses: 46
Losses on Tal’Darim altar LE: 12 (26%!)

Over a quarter of all games lost for Zerg in this GSTL were on Tal’Darim. To add a cherry on this little sundae, DRG lost 2 games in this GSTL. One was to MVP which is understandable regardless of circumstance. The other was to Clide, and you may ask how does a beast such as DRG lose to Clide? Well he played him on Tal’Darim, perhaps that is relevant.

Of course these results cannot be generalized beyond the team league, it's a small sample size and many influences effect results, especially in this format. That's what is so cool with looking at these results, there are a million things that can factor into when/if/and how a player wins. Did a great player keep losing because he ran into snipers? Are some players only strong with practice? Was the map just fortunate? Is momentum really that powerful? Numbers like this provide a base to look at all the reasons for why things happened the way the did and how they might have gone differently.

Things to take away from this team league: Terrans get TV time, and DRG is a force so strong he breaks the numbers.

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Someday, you too can be good enough to smash people without using your hands


Remember if you're having tough times as a zerg player on ladder, in practice, or holistically, always put all blame on the fact that you aren't DRG.



Writers: Heyoka, Divinek.
Graphics and Art: Pathy.
Editor: Heyoka.
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Kevinshi3
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States148 Posts
February 17 2012 05:48 GMT
#2
epic writeup, love the last statement
yo mamaship so fat it couldn't fit in the expansion
jojo311
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia903 Posts
February 17 2012 05:49 GMT
#3
Great write-up, DRG's GSTL record is insane
Ahtiven
Profile Joined May 2009
Malaysia159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 05:50:18
February 17 2012 05:50 GMT
#4
Are you sure DRG lost to Clide not because Clide is the best player in the world? *Artosis-laughs*
Life is a gift, don't waste it.
elwoodng
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore438 Posts
February 17 2012 05:50 GMT
#5
FXO vs MvP oh boy oh boy oh boy
Buckness
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3 Posts
February 17 2012 05:51 GMT
#6
i cant wait!!!
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
February 17 2012 05:56 GMT
#7
So I just realized today DRG has a total win-rate of 69%. The closest runner-up with a significant number of games played? Bomber at 67%, but we all know he's in a slump right now, and he's just barely edging MVP (also in a rut, but not a slump) out by a few tenths of a percentage point.

That's pretty scary. Hm.
AxisXI
Profile Joined November 2011
United States31 Posts
February 17 2012 05:57 GMT
#8
Nice write-up :D Hopefully Prime can pull through again <3 Stats on DRG are pretty interesting, waiting to see how he plays in the Round of 8
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 17 2012 06:01 GMT
#9
FXO going up against DRG and his MVP team? I do not think it will end well for FXO.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 17 2012 06:02 GMT
#10
After their performance against prme liquid has been accepted into the gstl... make it happen!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
February 17 2012 06:09 GMT
#11
dont forget, nada can now play for mvp! :D
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
February 17 2012 06:11 GMT
#12
MVP vs FXO is set to be a great match - I've been quite unimpressed with the GSTL so far, especially without the group format. I hope tonight will change my opinion!
Writer@joonjoewong
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 17 2012 06:14 GMT
#13
I think FXO should win tonight. I wouldn't mind seeing Gumiho take out DRG.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
February 17 2012 06:19 GMT
#14
rooting for MvP and Hoseo!
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
February 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#15
Odd that now we all know to look out for Prime after their sneak into the finals last year
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
February 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#16
On February 17 2012 14:56 babylon wrote:
So I just realized today DRG has a total win-rate of 69%. The closest runner-up with a significant number of games played? Bomber at 67%, but we all know he's in a slump right now, and he's just barely edging MVP (also in a rut, but not a slump) out by a few tenths of a percentage point.

That's pretty scary. Hm.

What's even more scary is his record so far in 2012:

Korea 28-7 (80%)
International 15-5 (75%) (all FXOpen Invitational games against Koreans. The IPL4 qualifiers aren't listed)

Total: 43-12 (78.2%)
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
February 17 2012 06:36 GMT
#17
i wish there was links to the maps somewhere in the OP
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 06:52:13
February 17 2012 06:46 GMT
#18
That's a good idea, going to mess with it and add them in. Need to fight with HTML a little bit to do it though.

edit: okay wasn't as hard as I thought. They're in the table now.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
February 17 2012 07:06 GMT
#19
DRG is way to sick <3
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 17 2012 07:09 GMT
#20
I downvoted Taldarim because of GSTL.
That map sucks

*grumbles grumbles
moo...for DRG
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 17 2012 07:16 GMT
#21
haha, DRG ridiculous or just being DRG?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
LeapofFaith
Profile Joined November 2011
United States446 Posts
February 17 2012 07:22 GMT
#22
DRG single-handedly changing zerg win-rates, no big deal
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 17 2012 07:25 GMT
#23
On February 17 2012 16:22 LeapofFaith wrote:
DRG single-handedly changing zerg win-rates, no big deal


Honestly team MVP should just temporary change their name to Team DRG every single night they have GSTL...because that's what basically happened last year.
moo...for DRG
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 07:46:07
February 17 2012 07:44 GMT
#24
I hate to make comparisons over BW pros so casually, but DongRaeGu sometimes reminds me of Jaedong just carrying the whole team by himself (everyone else on Hwaseung Oz were basically cannon fodder). Before his finals appearance at the Blizzard Cup though he resembled more like Sea and Leta, both high A-class progamers who performed excellent in Proleague (team league) but failed to find any good results in the individual leagues.

Of course, Genius has picked up his game recently so its not an entirely one man show and they have the odd player here and there to pick games off (GuineaPig <3).
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
February 17 2012 07:56 GMT
#25
RIP Tal Darim Altar THANK GOD!!!
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
February 17 2012 07:59 GMT
#26
On February 17 2012 16:44 Meteora.GB wrote:
I hate to make comparisons over BW pros so casually, but DongRaeGu sometimes reminds me of Jaedong just carrying the whole team by himself (everyone else on Hwaseung Oz were basically cannon fodder). Before his finals appearance at the Blizzard Cup though he resembled more like Sea and Leta, both high A-class progamers who performed excellent in Proleague (team league) but failed to find any good results in the individual leagues.

Of course, Genius has picked up his game recently so its not an entirely one man show and they have the odd player here and there to pick games off (GuineaPig <3).

Unfortunately GuineaPig left MVP and is now looking for a foreign team (heck, maybe Complexity picked him up?). Finale has become a solid team league player, though.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 08:37:56
February 17 2012 08:02 GMT
#27
Nice DRG piece. I'm not really even that big a fan of his, but DRG is the only player who has ever made me think he could be more talented than MVP.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 08:06:12
February 17 2012 08:04 GMT
#28
More up to date statistics look even worse for zerg, here are the zerg vs everything winrates in 2012 from all gom events:

http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=Z&vsrace=ALL&season=2012&leaguetype=0&leagueid=0&gamever=0&mapid=0

zvp 35-48 (42,2 %)
zvt 25-36 (41%)

this includes drg's king of kong win btw, without drg winrates would be below 40% for zerg atm

drg is just on another level
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2012 08:07 GMT
#29
you know what? MarineKing hasn't lost a TvT or TvP series this year (or if he did, he's still got a positive record against the players ie 3-2 Genius and 3-2 Polt). He's only lost to zergs (Delphi, DongRaeGu and Losira are the only people with positive records against him in BoX series)
Prime will roll NSHS ez
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
February 17 2012 08:29 GMT
#30
DRG is clearly OP...
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#31
This explains why I'm not GM. I'm not DRG.

I guess I'll have to work on that.
Long live the King of Wings
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
February 17 2012 09:14 GMT
#32
DRG going a savior by breaking map inbalance
-,-
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
February 17 2012 10:09 GMT
#33
It might be possible to make mirror match ups analysis just as interesting as the mixed race.

It would be relevant to know the win rate of pure mech vs Bio vs Marine Tank
ZvZ has revolved around Infestor vs Mutas as the back bone.
PvP is kind of hard to pidgeon hole. Any suggestions?
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
February 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#34
On February 17 2012 16:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 16:22 LeapofFaith wrote:
DRG single-handedly changing zerg win-rates, no big deal


Honestly team MVP should just temporary change their name to Team DRG every single night they have GSTL...because that's what basically happened last year.

Like KT should be KTFlash right?

I feel DRGs play in the induvidual leagues are nowhere as scary as he is in teamleaugues.
Hope NSHS can beat them (him ) ~~
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Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
February 17 2012 11:06 GMT
#35
Awesome writeup! DRG is way too skilled and awesome
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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 12:06:59
February 17 2012 11:42 GMT
#36
80% of the article is about DongRaeGu ... and he deserves it.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
February 17 2012 11:42 GMT
#37
This was so well-written. One of the better ones.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 17 2012 12:06 GMT
#38
Funny how this article goes on and on praising how well balanced Taldarim Altar is.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288735

I'm not sure who to trust now, but I do know that I hate that map...a lot.
moo...for DRG
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 17 2012 13:29 GMT
#39
It's weird because i hate playing TvZ on Taldarim.
It's quite hard to defend your 4th and 5th without being in the middle of nothing where Ultra just ruin your world.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 17 2012 13:38 GMT
#40
On February 17 2012 16:44 Meteora.GB wrote:
I hate to make comparisons over BW pros so casually, but DongRaeGu sometimes reminds me of Jaedong just carrying the whole team by himself (everyone else on Hwaseung Oz were basically cannon fodder). Before his finals appearance at the Blizzard Cup though he resembled more like Sea and Leta, both high A-class progamers who performed excellent in Proleague (team league) but failed to find any good results in the individual leagues.

Of course, Genius has picked up his game recently so its not an entirely one man show and they have the odd player here and there to pick games off (GuineaPig <3).


He share a lot of similarities with jd too. Insane mechanics + unit control, aggression sometimes comes in the cheesiest and most extreme form just to mindfk his opponents in a boX, and most importantly his mental strength.
I hope all the rest of the zergs keep under-performing. It will just show how talented drg is. We only need 1 true overmind :D
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 17 2012 14:50 GMT
#41
Why so beast drg?
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 17 2012 17:28 GMT
#42
On February 17 2012 22:38 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 16:44 Meteora.GB wrote:
I hate to make comparisons over BW pros so casually, but DongRaeGu sometimes reminds me of Jaedong just carrying the whole team by himself (everyone else on Hwaseung Oz were basically cannon fodder). Before his finals appearance at the Blizzard Cup though he resembled more like Sea and Leta, both high A-class progamers who performed excellent in Proleague (team league) but failed to find any good results in the individual leagues.

Of course, Genius has picked up his game recently so its not an entirely one man show and they have the odd player here and there to pick games off (GuineaPig <3).


He share a lot of similarities with jd too. Insane mechanics + unit control, aggression sometimes comes in the cheesiest and most extreme form just to mindfk his opponents in a boX, and most importantly his mental strength.
I hope all the rest of the zergs keep under-performing. It will just show how talented drg is. We only need 1 true overmind :D


These are great analyses. I also think his great mental fortitude gives him a huge advantage over his competitors. You can't expect to tilt DRG after cheesing him a round or two. You will never see DRG wiping his eyes in frustration like ST_Parting this week. He's completely unshakable and deserves to be every Zerg's hero.
moo...for DRG
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
February 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#43
MvP vs FXO was somewhat disappointing: I've become a big fan of Gumiho in this GSL and I wanted to see something better than him getting cheesed out by a mediocre MvP Protoss.
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Scrutinizer
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
February 17 2012 18:13 GMT
#44
On February 17 2012 22:38 babysimba wrote:
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On February 17 2012 16:44 Meteora.GB wrote:
I hate to make comparisons over BW pros so casually, but DongRaeGu sometimes reminds me of Jaedong just carrying the whole team by himself (everyone else on Hwaseung Oz were basically cannon fodder). Before his finals appearance at the Blizzard Cup though he resembled more like Sea and Leta, both high A-class progamers who performed excellent in Proleague (team league) but failed to find any good results in the individual leagues.

Of course, Genius has picked up his game recently so its not an entirely one man show and they have the odd player here and there to pick games off (GuineaPig <3).


He share a lot of similarities with jd too. Insane mechanics + unit control, aggression sometimes comes in the cheesiest and most extreme form just to mindfk his opponents in a boX, and most importantly his mental strength.
I hope all the rest of the zergs keep under-performing. It will just show how talented drg is. We only need 1 true overmind :D


DRG is a very very good player for sure, but comparing him to Jaedong?

Wow, none in starcaft II can even come close to the level of Jaedong, this is, to put it simply, a heresy!
Saying anything different is just showing the limited grasp of the true superhuman control over the zerg race he had.

There are many games, and by that I mean "many" games Jaedong played Zerg to its utmost possible potential (macro & micro).
Respect!

PS: I personally do not think that DRG can reach that level, some other unknown player? maybe 4-5 years in the future..
Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
February 18 2012 00:55 GMT
#45
On February 17 2012 14:50 Ahtiven wrote:
Are you sure DRG lost to Clide not because Clide is the best player in the world? *Artosis-laughs*


Hah, I read that and his laugh immediately popped into my head.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaa!

VanBuKK
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany6 Posts
February 18 2012 01:51 GMT
#46
fickt euch warum stand da die falsche uhrezeit


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Australia54784 Posts
February 18 2012 07:28 GMT
#47
On February 17 2012 17:07 opterown wrote:
you know what? MarineKing hasn't lost a TvT or TvP series this year (or if he did, he's still got a positive record against the players ie 3-2 Genius and 3-2 Polt). He's only lost to zergs (Delphi, DongRaeGu and Losira are the only people with positive records against him in BoX series)
Prime will roll NSHS ez


What did I say? ;D
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Tivu
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United States244 Posts
February 18 2012 15:55 GMT
#48
Wow, DRG's record is crazy!!
j1nzo
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Germany367 Posts
February 18 2012 16:01 GMT
#49
mvp has become such a sick team!
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February 19 2012 06:48 GMT
#50
:D PRIME 5 - 2 NSH, which means we JUST MIGHT have a heyoka curse
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Shyndashu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States136 Posts
February 19 2012 10:20 GMT
#51
I foudn this rather interesting. And my love for DRG has grown as well. Agreed though, Tal'darim has always been a map that I've struggled with along with ZvZ.
DeaDoXFighting
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Canada115 Posts
February 20 2012 16:41 GMT
#52
Wow DRG too good haha GL to Hoseo!!
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