Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first Power Rank of the last year of our lives. I hope you are as excited to read [and debate over] this as I am to write it, and hopefully through proper nagging the mighty R1CH will place the Power Rank back on the right sidebar. Until then, comment here if you'd like, or in the discussion thread. Let's kick off the New Year right. To make up for the lack of Power Ranks in the past few months, this one will be a bit longer and [hopefully] more in-depth.
Oh, and one final note before I get started. Due to a combination of business and lack-of-Brood War, I am not as immersed in the current season as I would like to be. Should you see something glaringly wrong, please let me know - I am in no way averse to making changes.
Now, on to Flash. I admit, there are months where I just don't enjoy writing about him. This is one of them. There's not much real contention for the #1 spot this month. JangBi hasn't won an OSL this month [and hasn't really impressed me that much], Bisu is losing, Jaedong is looking a tad weak in ZvP, and Stork's losses at the end of the round hurt him a bit. Really, the only competition for the top slot comes from Fantasy and Stats, and Flash has the advantage over both of them in record. In terms of "intangibles" I'd say Fantasy is close to being on par with Flash, but Flash definitely trumps Stats in this division. As one of two notable undefeated players in the first round [with over two games played], Flash has been... himself. I don't see anything wrong with him, yet at the same time there has been nothing extraordinary. Of course, this is partially circumstantial. Due to SKT winning 3-1 over KT, we were denied a Flash-Fantasy match, and with the exception of Light, none of Flash's opponents have been exemplary. Of course, this in no way negatively affects Flash. I'm just glad his surgery went well, and hopefully he can start demonstrating what makes him the best in the upcoming OSL.
No chin, no problem. With the first round concluded, Stats proves he's the real deal. Excellent record, clean decision-making, and entertaining moves. His execution might have been a tad off, but when's the last time you saw such efficient use of Dark Archons in professional PvP? And what about mass Archon/Reaver against Zerg coupled with ridiculous amounts of storm? While we're working with relatively scant data here, I am not seeing any noticeable signs of weakness in any of Stats' matchups. Partially due to excellent storming, his PvZ is looking especially strong, his PvP is innovative [too little data to work with at the moment], and his PvT has produced exhilarating games. In my opinion, Stats vs Bogus is quite possibly the best game of the round. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend you do so. Beautiful play from both players, and though the game swings back and forth the winner finishes with convincing execution. Furthermore, it is because of Stats that KT Rolster went from last place in the standings to a solid second, just after CJ. While KT is still struggling to find a consistent third win, Stats' play has gone a long way in helping out the team perhaps most adversely affected by the removal of the Ace match.
Of course, Stats isn't perfect--still far from it. For example, while his atmosphere-searing storms against soO's superior forces made the win well-deserved, Stats owes as much to soO's poor play after taking a strong early advantage as he does to his own good play. And against Sea, incredibly poor micro caused Stats to fall irreversibly behind in a relatively even game.
But it's okay guys. After all, this is but Stats' first year at Hogwarts.
Deciding between Fantasy and Stats for the #2 spot was incredibly tough, as in I spent two hours on this part alone. The two boast comparable stats, have played similarly exciting games and had similarly unexciting stomps, and both players still have their little foibles. In the end, what tipped the scales in Stat's favor is something I cannot fully explain. It's partially a question of "who contributed more to the team?" as well as "whose play did I respect more?" As for the first, Stats definitely helped KT more than Fantasy helped SKT. While this can be attributed to SKT having a deeper lineup, allowing Fantasy to be saved for the fifth slot (and oftentimes not appearing), what it boils down to is that Stats was able to prove more than Fantasy for this Power Rank. He was able to demonstrate that he can help carry KT. It is in no way a bad mark against Fantasy, only a positive check for Stats. Similarly, I give more props to Stats for his play because his opponents put up better fights. Against Fantasy, Movie and Canata just rolled over and died, and while ZerO's initial ling bust was pretty tricky he failed with mutalisks and lurkers afterward, allowing Fantasy to take an easy victory. Once again, this is not bad for Fantasy, only good for Stats.
Either way, four solid wins and one loss against a TvT-rampaging Last is a perfectably acceptable way to start the season out for Fantasy. Disregarding his decision to walk his army into Last's tank line [that drop did way more damage than it should have, but Fantasy was still behind], Fantasy has had very solid decision-making and has shown impressive crisis/micro management. Before the near-disconnect in the game against Reality it seemed that Fantasy had all but lost: he was 20 supply down and in a terrible position. Yet through careful positioning he was able to pick off enough of Reality's tanks in order to stabilize and eventually turn the game around. A slightly less notable but nonetheless impressive demonstration of micromanagement Fantasy executed in this opening round of SPL was his marine split against ZerO, where three lurkers gave their lives for only one marine.
As for the rest, it's hard to say based on this limited data. As we all know, Fantasy is prone to trolling and being a somewhat streaky player. I never like hyping Fantasy too much before he hits individual leagues, though I'd say he's in for a pretty good season. His TvT is still second-best after Flash's, his TvP is still top-notch, and from the looks of it [though we really only have that one game against ZerO to judge] his bionic control has improved during the off-season.
Preseason, there was a lot of hype flying about over the newly-formed Team 8, with a good amount of it focused upon the strong lineup that T8 would be fielding. Of these, it was my personal opinion at the start of the season that Killer would be the strongest/most reliable player on Team 8. After all, Jaedong's non-ZvT was still looking shaky, BaBy was playing okay but not excellently, and Sea was just "stable". It is not too much of a surprise to me that I was wrong; what's more surprising is the manner in which I was incorrect. As of right now, I believe it is BaBy, not Jaedong and not Killer, who is the strongest player on Team 8. It seems experience has granted him the ability to play more consistently at a higher level: last season BaBy [or should I get used to calling him Ty?] would one day demonstrate ridiculous multitasking, and the next would fall apart immediately upon being pressured. This season, the pressure is still there but BaBy's response is much better. In his game against Leta, I was under the impression that BaBy had lost after he lifted his barracks for some reason, allowing Leta's marines in his base. While he defended that well, Leta's transition into paper airplanes put Leta further ahead, until BaBy wiped out Leta's wraith fleet with valkyries. And then BaBy went to town capitalizing on that advantage, and Leta did not stand a chance. His hidden expos were scouted, drops terrorized Leta's main, and overhead an invisible fleet of death destroyed everything. Overall, quite an entertaining way for BaBy to get revenge against Leta for last season's mass starport shenanigans.
Of course, I still believe BaBy to be an offensively-geared player, one who would rather utilize his high APM and multitasking abilities to control the situation through aggression than manage crisis after crisis. His games against soO, Wooki, and Light emphasize BaBy's aggressive nature perfectly. Against n.Die_soO, BaBy was able to crush his Zerg opponent through perfectly-timed drops and impeccable army micro in massive battles. Speaking of perfect timing, against Wooki BaBy's perfect attack on the stargates came at the worst possible time for Wooki, prompting him to tap out. And against Light, BaBy's clutch move to block the construction of a comsat at Light's natural made his Wraith fleet even stronger when it started hitting Light's base.
As with Fantasy, the one blemish that mars Ty's otherwise perfect record comes from Last. And I'm not going to fault BaBy for that, as Last's build was obviously very well-prepared and razor-sharp. I give a similar prognosis to BaBy as I did to Fantasy: I think BaBy is in for an excellent season, and he will become a very reliable player for Team 8.
I really just wish T8 could pull together to find three wins at a time.
Is the king of Zerg back? Starting the season with a disappointing loss to BeSt [though BisuBeSt played quite well and at that time T8 had had virtually zero practice time] but quickly recovering, Jaedong has shown that he is at least at the same point he was at the end of last season....
Though, that wasn't a very good place for Jaedong, was it? His ZvZ was shaky, his ZvP suspect. However, his ZvT was stronger than ever: lseason, Jaedong ended with an incredible 27-9 (75%) record over top-notch Terran competition. And while he has not yet had too many opportunities to demonstrate his prowess versus Terran this season, his single vT game hus far against Mind should be enough to remind you that the Dong does not mess around when it comes to slaughtering humans. In an absolutely dominating fashion, Jaedong easily held off Mind's MnM/valkyrie force [admittedly, Mind could have done much more] and wiped the floor with Terran blood after hive tech kicked in. And then he followed that up by walking over M18M, who still only is mediocre. His next game against free was also... sloppy. While Jaedong made some excellent templar and shuttle snipes, it still doesn't absolve him of his shortcomings. The initial corsair versus mutalisk/scourge battle was poorly fought; likewise, Jaedong microed poorly during the early hydralisk versus templar engagements. This resulted in Jaedong being down 30 supply at one point, but due to the aforementioned sniping as well as free having terrible army composition [though that's because he expected Jaedong to switch to lurkers instead of constantly mutalisk switching] Jaedong took the game. All in all, a very good comeback by Jaedong... though still very, very sloppy.
So after four games, at the very least I was assured that Jaedong had not slipped any further. But, like the rest of you, I was worried when it became apparent that Jaedong and RorO would be facing off. And when RorO started off with 9pool against Jaedong's 12hatch, my brow furrowed even more.
And then JvZ happened. Jaedong held off RorO's zergling assault with a well-placed sunken, and then after being forced to retreat into his main broke RorO's contain with a scintillating drone drill. RorO maintained the gas advantage, which translated into a mutalisk advantage...
But you can't beat JvZ. With 2009-esque micro, Jaedong won the air battle and went up in supply, and eventually RorO was forced out of the game. It seemed the magic was back! Following up on that spectacular ZvZ victory, in his game against Modesty, Jaedong managed to kill all of Modesty's drones with excellent zergling control before Modesty's mutalisk numbers became too strong.
I said it above but I'll reiterate here: thus far I believe BaBy has been a stronger force for T8 than Jaedong has. I would really like to see Jaedong step his game up in ZvP and ZvZ, and to continue dominating ZvT. His losses against Best and Snow [though admittedly, that was a well-executed timing attack by Snow] as well as sloppy play against free show that he's stil not on top of vP, and there have been far too few games vZ for me to convince myself that JvZ is back. Looks like we'll just have to see.
'Twas tough choosing between Stork and Jaedong for the fifth and sixth spots due to their similar "statistics". They have the same record (5-2), seem weaker in one matchup [Stork in PvZ and Jaedong in ZvP], and demonstrate similarly impressive showings of micromangement. In the end, I placed Jaedong over Stork for two main reasons. First, in the same sense that Stats proved more than Fantasy this round, Jaedong proved more than Stork. He showed that JvZ could be possibly be making a resurgence and that his ZvT is still quite sharp. On the other hand, Stork has shown that he is good at capitalizing on build order advantages in PvP and landing good [lucky?] scarabs in order to further those advantages. Second, I am still thoroughly unimpressed by Stork's PvZ, which has traditionally been his weakest matchup. While he seemed to roll over ZerO with good storms and lurker field-breaking, I attribute that win more to ZerO's "coconut tree reaction time" and his seeming lack of a plan. And seriously, you'd think that after getting all-in'd so many times by Zerg Stork would shape up. But no, Crazy-Hydra channels his inner Kwanro and eats Stork with zerglings. Of course, Stork's PvZ is by no means terrible. He responded to hero's 3hatch hydra -> expand in the correct fashion, and by recognizing the bluff in a timely fashion was able to take hero's natural by storm [pun intended] with beautiful Templar usage.
I still feel it seems like I'm being irrationally harsh on Stork. True, he started the season out with a 5-0 and looked very impressive doing so, but if it weren't for the fact that he lost his two most crucial recent games [causing KHAN to get 0-3'd by both ACE and KT] he'd be quite a bit higher on this Power Rank. I talked about his PvZ briefly above and his PvT is, as of yet, untested this season, so let's go over his recent PvP games.
I attribute Stork's victory over Movie to a build order advantage coupled with a few lucky scarab shots. While that game was quite action-packed and entertaining [poor probes...] it was sloppy on Stork's part. Movie consistently made better engagements, yet because Stork did so much damage early [once again, partially thanks to luck and build order advantage] on Movie didn't have the economy to overpower Stork. Similarly, against Bisu, Stork had the build order advantage, choosing to go 3gate against Bisu's core-expand. Bisu fended off the attack quite well [despite randomly losing a dragoon] but still was not in an advantageous position. And just like against Movie, a few scarab daebaks helped to further Stork's advantage. He did an excellent job in stopping Bisu's reaver counter-drop. Bisu decided to be silly and try to break out of the contain without his reavers, which handed Stork the win.
Through this, I don't think Stork's PvP has been phenomenal. It's been "good enough" [which is still quite good] to make use of an advantage, yet when an opponent steps up his game as Kal did, Stork seems flustered. Granted, Kal played exceptionally well in his game against Stork with his famous red shuttle micromanagement, but I think this just goes to show that Stork is somewhat riding "coinflip" advantages and his opponent's mistakes.
Stork's micro is still solid though. In his game against Tyson he had amazing micromanagement during battles, and he had impressive storms against ZerO and hero [insert joke about Hercules and comment about storms in PvZ seeming way more epic this season] to seal the deal. And despite the negativity found in this post about Stork, I still think he has played fantastically this first round. After all, in the end winning the game is what matters; some ways may be more impressive or clean than others, but Stork got the job done.
I was talking with konadora last night about how I thought Soulkey had played well, but hadn't faced oponents of high enough caliber. Then I decided to actually look at TLPD, and realized how wrong I was. Soulkey has had some great games against tough opponents. RorO, Bogus, By.Sun, and Killer might not be "S-Class" but they are certainly recognizable names in the Proleague world. When I talked about Stats versus Bogus being my favorite game of the round thus far, Soulkey versus Bogus [I'm telling you, Bogus produces awesome games] is a close second. As far as ZvMech goes, you could write a textbook out of this game. Soulkey does everything right, from protecting drones early on from vultures to not making ultralisks [I'm looking at you, Kwanro] to sniping two spinning armories as Bogus is moving out. While Neo.G_Soulkey is often overlooked, do not forget that he is one of the top ZvT players in the scene. Furthermore, in his game against Sun Soulkey is down in supply but has a better economy come the midgame. He does a very nice job of neutralizing drops and prevents Sun from using his army advantage, allowing him to macro up and starve Sun to death with an incredibly deep lurker contain. Soulkey's zvP improved over the past season, and his match against Sun shows it was definitely not a fluke.
Soulkey still has his problems though. His ZvZ, despite being strong statistically (23-13), still seems weak. Of course, since I see Soulkey as a very macro-oriented player [prefers lategame] this fits perfectly. In the first round, Soulkey faced off against RorO, Killer, and Hydra. In all these games, Soulkey played poorly. Against RorO, he did very little damage with his zerglings and lost one of his free mutas, allowing RorO to supply block him and take a huge supply advantage. Of course, due to RorO flying his muta flock into a gaggle of scourge Soulkey was able to equalize supply and win the game. Against Hydra, Soulkey wasn't so lucky. Poor micro from Soulkey allowed Hydra to snipe drones with zerglings early on, and that snowballed out of control. In his win against Killer, I attribute it more to Killer failing [though Soulkey's hidden zerglings were put to great effect] than Soulkey doing something spectacular. Further fitting with my conception of Soulkey as a progamer that doesn't have exemplary micromanagement is the Soulkey vs firebathero game. It seemed Soulkey wanted to end the game early with a zergling bust, but after firebathero held it off Soulkey was in trouble--it didn't seem like he had a backup plan. firebathero continuallly destroying Soulkey's third meant that Soulkey was fighting a very uphill battle as firebathero teched. I still have to give Kim Min Chul props for breaking the initial contain, but when FBH pushed out with vessels and tanks while Soulkey was still on lair tech, the game was over.
Soulkey started out much like Stork. Very strong start [on paper], then took some losses as the round ended. His ZvT is excellent [even though he lost to firebathero, FBH was playing exceptionally well in that game], and his ZvP looks promising. As for his ZvZ, like I said above: if it gets the job done that's what matters. I think he has grounds for improvement especially in the mirror matchup, but I'm pretty satisfied with his Round 1 results.
It's weird. By no means is Bisu performing poorly. Yet, compared with past season's R1 performance I can't help but feel something is missing. Of course, the results he's posted are indicative of what I feel about Bisu "as a whole", though let's look a bit deeper.
Obviously, it doesn't get any more top-notch than Bisu's PvZ. Despite a poor start against Action [Action outmicros Bisu both on the ground and in the air] Bisu manages to equalize the situation [Action had four bases pretty much well-established and Bisu didn't even have a third] with strategically-timed attacks. Of course, Bisu's win is due in part to Action deciding to just not make any units for an impossibly long period of time, but it was still excellent decision-making by Bisu in an exciting, close game. Against great, Bisu correctly responded to great's aggression economic expansion by waiting for proper upgrade timing and then simply just killing him in one fell swoop. And against EffOrt, Bisu's micromanagement with zealots early on put him vastly ahead in supply (75-50), and that advantage snowballed. The pre-defiler timing attack was just icing on the cake. Sloppy play from EffOrt, but exceptional play from Bisu.
Now, when looking at Bisu's PvT there are fewer games to consider. And by "games" I mean "one game against Bogus". Whilst rewatching this game, I berated Bisu a bit for doing nothing to slow down Bogus' push and for messing up his zealot bombs, but Oystein says it best. Bisu was at a severe disadvantage from being blindly countered, and Bogus microed extremely well. Likewise, in his game against free Bisu found himself at a disadvantage. Bisu played safe, and free played to maximize economic potential, leading to a lopsided engagement that free took advantage of.
If there's anything reprehensible about Bisu's PvP, it occurred in his game against Stork. After being contained, Bisu simultaneously tried to break out while harassing with his shuttle/reaver. While I normally applaud multitasking attempts, in this case Bisu needed his forces concentrated in order to make a legitimate attempt at pushing Stork away. Instead, not only did he not break out but also he had his shuttle turned away. If it's any consolation, Bisu played really well against Jaehoon. Good dragoon micro and good game sense with observers to spot Dark Templar allowed him to outplay Jaehoon....
But you'd expect that anyway, right? In any sense, to wrap up this part, Bisu had a "solid" round. It wasn't great [especially by his standards], but it wasn't terrible. Even though Brood War is a very developed game, there is still chance inherent in the build orders. For the most part, Bisu happened to be on the receiving end, so I can't fault him too much for that. However, even though he did nothing "wrong" others did things right, so I can't justify placing Bisu high. After all, Ma Jae Yoon proved to us that the truly elite will persevere and rise above all challenges.
Before I get started talking about Hydra, I want to say that this new season has not given us much to work with for him. His games have either been one-sided or silly/confusing [hello HoeJJa], and none of them have been too "high-level" yet. Consider Hydra's game against Brave. Though the KHAN rookie is touted as a "vZ specialist with 60% winrate" he simply died to hydras. Hydra didn't do anything special, and Brave just pretty much just killed himself.
And that is the one non-ZvZ game Hydra this round. The rest of the games... Well, last season it seemed we appointed Hydra as the new king of ZvZ. It seems that the CJ coach believes in that: five of six matches Hydra has played thus far have been vZ. Of those five, I see mixed results. Before I elaborate, I'll summarize: Hydra has the best mutalisk/scourge control in ZvZ and his zergling control is improving, though I find his strategic/tactical sense still lacking somewhat [not very good at being inventive]. in his games against ModestyMedesty and ggaemo, Hydra pulled off amazingly wicked mutalisk micro. In the game against Modesty where Hydra lost the first mutalisk battle and was hard-pressed to defend his control was sensational. Hydra was able to hold off Modesty's vastly superior mutalisk force in order to utilize his economy advantage to pull himself back into the game. Furthermore, Hydra's games against Soulkey and HoeJJa showcase that his zergling control is improving. Both games he was able to press an advantage through winning the zergling battles. In both games, the extra zerglings killed gas drones, leading to a better air force for Hydra. Against Soulkey, this was enough to end the game. And against HoeJJa... well, I'm still confused about that one. Poor micro on Hydra's side led to HoeJJa gaining the upper hand, and eventually after mutas were traded away HoeJJa was left with more zerglings. Said zerglings decimated Hydra's remaining drones, leading to a loss for Hydra. And against Killer, Hydra tried an interesting strategy (3hatch with burrow), but honestly I don't think it was the correct choice. Of course, credit has to be given to Killer for his excellent defense with the sunken, but still I disagree with Hydra's tactics in that game.Trying to draw one overall conclusion for Hydra based on Round 1 is hard. I still think he is the strongest in ZvZ right now in standard play--it's quite hard to best his control. However, his lack of ZvP and ZvT games [once again, the one against Brave is hard to judge because Brave just completely failed] makes it quite difficult to say where Hydra stands with his non-mirror matchups. Only time will tell.
I never like writing for the tenth slot, and I've been writing for far too long at this point. I'm going to give the last slot to JangBi this month, with the other competitors being EffOrt, Bogus, and BeSt. Last technically counts as one, but he has to demonstrate non-TvT prowess [or show some extremely good TvT results, such as beating Flash in convincing fashion] to make it past CBNC. Honestly, JangBi hasn't done anything that notable. He had some nice wins against BeSt and Shuttle, cheesed Sea [but who doesn't, eh?], failed at cheesing EffOrt, and randomly lost against Wooki and PianO. Like the other competitors, JangBi has brought in a mixed bag. Yet dropping the OSL champion from #1 to straight off the list feels wrong, so here's some "OSL cred" for you, JangBi. Play better okay?
Close But No Cigar
BeSt I think BeSt is closer than EffOrt or Bogus in taking the 10th slot. His game against Jaedong was impressive [though as a Jaedong fan I stubbornly stick by my belief that Jaedong had very little practice time and what practice time he did have he spent not preparing for vP], and he is 4-2 for the season so far. But BeSt didn't win an OSL last season, so sucks for him. Perhaps next month.
Last Like Skyhigh before him, Last is making a name for himself in TvT... and only in TvT. 4-0 with victories over the likes of BaBy and Fantasy, Last shows that he is afraid to play neither long, drawn-out games nor short, aggressive timing-based games. However, as elucidated above until he posts results in something other than TvT he won't make it onto the Power Rank.
EffOrt CJ fans may be upset with me, but I'm going to say EffOrt was overhyped. He started out playing quite well with a 3-0, and had a very impressive victory over Iris amidst that, but then slowly I start to see cracks in EffOrt. And by cracks, I mean sloppiness. While Bisu and Stats played well, I believe a good portion of the reason why EffOrt lost to them is due to poor control. And in this Power Rank where "good control" has been touted so much, EffOrt isn't too high up there.
Bogus Poor Bogus. Were you to just look at his record for the season you would see 2-4 and wonder "how did he even make it onto CBNC?" But then you look at who he's played and in what manner it was done. Bogus has brought us the most entertaining games of the first round against, yet has come up just short. His two wins are over Bisu and Killer, and exceptional micro was the key to those [well, along with blindly countering Bisu as explained above]. I expect he'll do better next round.
Shoutouts
sHy Hallucinated arbiters and whatnot. Pretty baller.
Couple of typos: in Jaedong's, his loss was to Best, not free. And for Bisu's, it says PvZ, not PvP when talking about his game against Stork.
I admire your hard work and all the consternation you must have suffered through to get this done. Agree with all rankings, although surprised that baby is so high. He certainly has been impressive though, so I can live with it. Poor khan tosses though... Before the last 2 weeks, I was so sure they'd both be top 5.
Also, is there no way to integrate the comments from here onto the actual PR? It looks sad and lonely without lots of comments
On January 03 2012 17:02 Kiett wrote: Couple of typos: in Jaedong's, his loss was to Best, not free. And for Bisu's, it says PvZ, not PvP when talking about his game against Stork.
I admire your hard work and all the consternation you must have suffered through to get this done. Agree with all rankings, although surprised that baby is so high. He certainly has been impressive though, so I can live with it. Poor khan tosses though... Before the last 2 weeks, I was so sure they'd both be top 5.
Also, is there no way to integrate the comments from here onto the actual PR? It looks sad and lonely without lots of comments
Don't think integration works ;;
Also I can't edit this because it's not my OP it's the "TL ESPORTS" -__-
On January 03 2012 18:03 Troxior wrote: What the hell. I seriously do not see why stats should be number 2 and number three as fantasy. There is no way they should be that high.
On January 03 2012 18:03 Troxior wrote: What the hell. I seriously do not see why stats should be number 2 and number three as fantasy. There is no way they should be that high.
There hasn't been a singles tournament in months. The only thing to go off is Proleague.
Stats is 5-1 in Proleague, only losing one close game to Sea and playing lights out against top players in the other five. Totally deserved.
On January 03 2012 18:03 Troxior wrote: What the hell. I seriously do not see why stats should be number 2 and number three as fantasy. There is no way they should be that high.
Would you mind providing a counterargument then? Obviously people are going to have different opinions, though the difference between mine and yours is that I spent a thousand words explaining/justifying mine.
This month has been hard to judge because so many players have been looking phenomenal. With that in mind I would say that you have done a pretty amazing job of making a PR that makes sense. Maybe it's because i'm a Bisu anti-fan or maybe it's because i'm a fan of Jangerella from the Osl, but I think Jangbi deserve spots over Bisu with Hydra being 10th. I'm also not completely sold on Fantasy being so high, but again that might be influenced from a mix of fanboyism, anti-fanboyism and so many players doing well.
I just want to post my appreciation to flamewheel for taking all the time to write this power-rank (a hard one, at a time when most people are fairly busy with the holidays).
Bogus did not blind counter Bisu, he scouted his expansion probe going out with an scv. Bisu did it anyway, and died, and did not look pretty doing so. Soulkey's midgame ZvT is very suspect. Stork has had the second best ZvP in the world for something like his whole carrier. But yeah he's Stork. And reavers shot are not completely random, he also has good micro/positionning. Jaedong ZvP game sense seems completely off. He's also the only player I feel his ranking is slightly not deserved, I would definitely put him under Stork. Good call on EffOrt, he's not playing that well. His game against Iris was actually not very well played at all, but entertaining. Thank you very much for the ranking, and happy new year !
i do blame jaedong's losses on the greedy builds he's been using in zvp. I believe he can do so much better if he doesn't use that cursed early 4th. I can say the same about his zvz. How many games of his were 12 hatch vs 9 pool? he needs to be more unpredictable
How is Bogus closer to the rankings than Kal who went 2-1 beating Stork and Zero's ZvP. I'd also put JD above Baby since Baby's games were a bit shaky, but result wise it's hard to justify that. KT top 2 sucks, but they are responsible for going from winless to near the top of the rankings.
Last technically counts as one, but he has to demonstrate non-TvT prowess [or show some extremely good TvT results, such as beating Flash in convincing fashion] to make it past CBNC.
I mostly agree with you here, and I don't want to quibble over who is where. I like you putting Stats @ #2, he has looked like the best protoss so far this season, outside of PvZ.
On January 03 2012 23:14 Count9 wrote: How is Bogus closer to the rankings than Kal who went 2-1 beating Stork and Zero's ZvP. I'd also put JD above Baby since Baby's games were a bit shaky, but result wise it's hard to justify that. KT top 2 sucks, but they are responsible for going from winless to near the top of the rankings.
Truth be told... He lost against Hyuk. Losing against Hyuk is about as bad as it gets.
Baby over Jaedong what?! ><! Actually, the entire list looks excellent, only thing I would argue is perhaps BaBy doesn't deserve a spot in top10. <3Happy New Years to BW <3
Yay Power Rank! Besides putting Flash at #1 I think this must have been one of the hardest PR's to write so good job flamewheel. I wish you would have at least given Kal or Piano a CBNC mention. ACE is in 5th(!) place mostly thanks to those two.
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
Please tell me in what way is being the #4 player in proleague being the most mediocre last year? Or all the playoff wins? Or the back to back all kills of SKT and Woongjin? Or in general having a really high winrate and beating top players frequently?
Those above the line have equal or better lifetime % wins. A total of 6 people can beat 58% who are still active. TBLS + Effort + Fantasy. And look at the list below him, aces everywhere. That's how legit Stats is.
If only you had seen today's games, these rankings might be slightly different
Bogus, Last and Stats are all going to be amazing players this year in PL, and possibly OSL!
Also, totally agreed with the fact that Effort is over-hyped. I always felt Effort was over-hyped, even during his very peak (he was very good, don't get my wrong), I feel he'll run out of steam very soon. However, he must be doing well in practices to get sent repeatedly though, right?
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
Yeah I know right. Stats sucks. Only 5-1 this season, 9-1 in in his last 10 games (including some really crucial wins a la PL playoffs and finals), and a 58% lifetime win rate. Totally mediocre.
You sound like some bitter T1 fan than cant get over how Stats All-killed SKT in WL as well has helped own us in the finals (both in '10 and '11). Have some humility or go away; you're giving us a bad name.
It was a really good read, I agree with damn near everything...except maybe that BaBy's a tad too high ><. And I feel bad for Jangbi, but I understand where you're coming from, thanks a bunch it's awesome!!!!
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
Yeah I know right. Stats sucks. Only 5-1 this season, 9-1 in in his last 10 games (including some really crucial wins a la PL playoffs and finals), and a 58% lifetime win rate. Totally mediocre.
You sound like some bitter T1 fan than cant get over how Stats All-killed SKT in WL as well has helped own us in the finals (both in '10 and '11). Have some humility or go away; you're giving us a bad name.
What! I didnt even think that anybody sane will try to protest against Fantasy at spot from #2 to #5 with his current streak. Must be those few irritating Stork fans that hoped for him playing like noob without Ovv on his side.
So naive ;P
Stats at 2 is also good, he becomes better and better...
very nice read ! i agree with everything, as much as i love jaedong, i hope he goes berserker mode, cuz i dont really have the feeling that when he plays he gonna crush his opponents :C, but it looks like JvZ is back, and also plz stop the greedy 4th in zvp, he dies to the same timing attack cuz hes being greedy D:
Bogus is my favorite player, but the CNBC thing made me happy. His game against soulkey was the most entertaining game all season and I'm sure that he'll do better in the following seasons. Gogo Bogus! ^^
Very glad that the PR is still alive and kicking! Good rank overall. I havent been keeping up with the seen as much as I would want so this was a great filler-in. Thanks man!
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
always funny to read a comment like this and know what team will be in the bottom right of the post without even looking ^^
Alright, here's another T1 fan talking.
While it is not as extreme as he put it, i do rate Stats lower than most around here. Personally i view him as a streaky kind of player aka strings of strong wins, followed by another string of bad losses. Like i posted earlier in this thread (or in the LR thread), i believe Stats will lose momentum soon, and KT will have (much) more trouble edging out on top, esp vs strong teams like SKT or Samsung.
So yea, if i have to bet, i ll bet that Stats won't be around the top 5 by the time the next PR rolls around.
Can't say disagree with this PR, even though I really want to see Bogus or Last in the Top 10 list as well. Let's see what 2012 has to offer in that regard.
On January 04 2012 03:20 hitthat wrote: What! I didnt even think that anybody sane will try to protest against Fantasy at spot from #2 to #5 with his current streak. Must be those few irritating Stork fans that hoped for him playing like noob without Ovv on his side.
So naive ;P
Stats at 2 is also good, he becomes better and better...
hehehe (that's me!) Wait, but I'm not irritating, am I? D=
True to my feelings, I put Fantasy on my FPL anti LIKE A BOSS Sigh... the gamble hasn't paid off very well T_T;;
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
Please tell me in what way is being the #4 player in proleague being the most mediocre last year? Or all the playoff wins? Or the back to back all kills of SKT and Woongjin? Or in general having a really high winrate and beating top players frequently?
you so wrong
Guys, I thought people learned to ignore this last year when Lightwhip was claiming it all over the place..
I love that everyone recognizes stats nowadays, makes me a little hipster about being a stats fan but whatever :3
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
always funny to read a comment like this and know what team will be in the bottom right of the post without even looking ^^
Alright, here's another T1 fan talking.
While it is not as extreme as he put it, i do rate Stats lower than most around here. Personally i view him as a streaky kind of player aka strings of strong wins, followed by another string of bad losses. Like i posted earlier in this thread (or in the LR thread), i believe Stats will lose momentum soon, and KT will have (much) more trouble edging out on top, esp vs strong teams like SKT or Samsung.
So yea, if i have to bet, i ll bet that Stats won't be around the top 5 by the time the next PR rolls around.
Stats has had >1< bad streak since the beginning of 2009... Atleast give credit for consistency where its due.. Do I need to mention that the only active guy on T1 who stats has a loosing streak against is hyuk? But if by streaky you mean that he goes from above average and consistent into borderline S-class sometimes, sure, go ahead and call it that.
Thought Last should for sure be in the top ten. Ahhh well. Maybe next month. Nice to see Baby climbing to the top. Although I'm pretty sure all of baby's recent wins are TVT, and a loss to Last so I'm a little confused on the logic. Not saying Last is better than Baby, butttttttt.
Good ranking. But the anti-Stork kinda bugs me. Not just because I am a fan, but because he played the full 7 games and none of them were PvT. If January had saved Stork for 4th or 5th in the 2 3-0s at the end of Round 1, then Stork would be 5-0.
I made a lengthy post in the discussion thread a week or two ago about this, and I was curious as to how you would handle game-disparities. You can neither reward nor punish players for playing less games, so you juggle it as best you can. But it seems Baby an Fantasy got rewarded for having a coach that saved them for last. After all, you gotta give them the benefit of the doubt. I think Fantasy is a good #2 fit, don't get me wrong, but just look at how you pick apart Stork so well - it's partially thanks to him having played 40% more games than Fantasy and Baby coming into this ranking. It is an undeniable fact that everybody loses, and the more you play the more you will show your failings.
I think the #6 is a fine spot for Stork, because his game versus Crazy Hydra was a fail of scouting. You cannot ignore what you see. But you also cannot ignore that both Fantasy and Baby have missed games, and I can't help but feel they are being rewarded for it. I accept Fantasy because he was good last season and last ranking, including in the OSL, but Baby was nowhere to be seen doing anything note-worthy. Jaedong should be higher than Baby, imo. Get a decent 4-1 run, with wins over an utter newbie Wooki and a currently slumping hard Soo, and suddenly you are #4 and we forget everything of the past? You even said yourself that Baby sometimes responds to his epic multitasking with fail moments. Having played only 5 games, we don't know that he won't again, so we can't give him a #4 spot over players who played 40% more games.
tl;dr: Jaedong and maybe Stork over Baby. We must use caution with players who are missing multiple games.
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
always funny to read a comment like this and know what team will be in the bottom right of the post without even looking ^^
Alright, here's another T1 fan talking.
While it is not as extreme as he put it, i do rate Stats lower than most around here. Personally i view him as a streaky kind of player aka strings of strong wins, followed by another string of bad losses. Like i posted earlier in this thread (or in the LR thread), i believe Stats will lose momentum soon, and KT will have (much) more trouble edging out on top, esp vs strong teams like SKT or Samsung.
So yea, if i have to bet, i ll bet that Stats won't be around the top 5 by the time the next PR rolls around.
that's a more fair comment, I don't think you can really make a case against his current ranking though.
Stats has had >1< bad streak since the beginning of 2009... Atleast give credit for consistency where its due.. Do I need to mention that the only active guy on T1 who stats has a loosing streak against is hyuk? But if by streaky you mean that he goes from above average and consistent into borderline S-class sometimes, sure, go ahead and call it that.
stats is definitely one of the most consistent, solid players in bw right now, but i dont think he's anywhere near s-class. i mean, sure he has a good record against bisu and stork (neither is actually strong in pvp), but he's jaedong's bitch. he's a solid player, but not intimidating in a dominating way
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
Please tell me in what way is being the #4 player in proleague being the most mediocre last year? Or all the playoff wins? Or the back to back all kills of SKT and Woongjin? Or in general having a really high winrate and beating top players frequently?
you so wrong
Guys, I thought people learned to ignore this last year when Lightwhip was claiming it all over the place..
I love that everyone recognizes stats nowadays, makes me a little hipster about being a stats fan but whatever :3
On January 04 2012 00:42 Reyis wrote: i love it how Stats is so overrated in TL while probably being the most mediocre player in proleague.
always funny to read a comment like this and know what team will be in the bottom right of the post without even looking ^^
Alright, here's another T1 fan talking.
While it is not as extreme as he put it, i do rate Stats lower than most around here. Personally i view him as a streaky kind of player aka strings of strong wins, followed by another string of bad losses. Like i posted earlier in this thread (or in the LR thread), i believe Stats will lose momentum soon, and KT will have (much) more trouble edging out on top, esp vs strong teams like SKT or Samsung.
So yea, if i have to bet, i ll bet that Stats won't be around the top 5 by the time the next PR rolls around.
Stats has had >1< bad streak since the beginning of 2009... Atleast give credit for consistency where its due.. Do I need to mention that the only active guy on T1 who stats has a loosing streak against is hyuk? But if by streaky you mean that he goes from above average and consistent into borderline S-class sometimes, sure, go ahead and call it that.
Shhhhh. I think he's actually saying Stats is as good as Fantasy
I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
On January 03 2012 16:49 Fionn wrote: KT Flastats.
YYYYYYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
FlaSh and Stats, KT POWA!!! CHINLESSTOSS HWAITING!!! GOD YOUNG HO HWAIITING!!!! :D
Liked the PR. I was gonna expect EffOrt, but when he started losing games, I was like "well, maybe he isn't completely back yet". And that's understandable, I mean that was a pretty long break for EffOrt. I'll see him on PR next month.
And Flamewheel, what do you mean by the last years of our lives? YOU DONT MEAN...
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
This is the most disrespectful crap.
I don't give a damn if you disagree, but dropping off a two line post as nothing more than a vague insult to someone's hardwork is garbage. If you've got a problem with how he ranked then atleast put forth the effort to make a semblance of an argument instead of being obtuse and rude. You're better than that.
I don't understand why Bisu is on the power rank this time around. He was 4-3 and 3 wins were against Zerg. Seems pretty one dimensional to me. The only difference between him and Last is the fact that Last is a new face. I'd give Last his moment in the sun because it might be his Last, EffOrt is also deserving of the spot even though his PvZ has been rough. His wins were more memorable and he seemed to be [tlpd#teams#9]CJ's ace for a time.
On January 04 2012 11:22 Brobe wrote: I don't understand why Bisu is on the power rank this time around. He was 4-3 and 3 wins were against Zerg. Seems pretty one dimensional to me. The only difference between him and Last is the fact that Last is a new face. I'd give Last his moment in the sun because it might be his Last, EffOrt is also deserving of the spot even though his PvZ has been rough. His wins were more memorable and he seemed to be [tlpd#teams#9]CJ's ace for a time.
CJ's ace? Hardly. I'm not sure what games you are watching. Effort is getting massively overrated atm.
Then again, we've only seen 6-8 games for most players, so it's hard to judge I guess
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
This is the most disrespectful crap.
I don't give a damn if you disagree, but dropping off a two line post as nothing more than a vague insult to someone's hardwork is garbage. If you've got a problem with how he ranked then atleast put forth the effort to make a semblance of an argument instead of being obtuse and rude. You're better than that.
no he's not :p. he has to be up there in the list of most biased people on this forum, and it's significantly worse that he's an SKT fan. his post cries of SKT fanboy ragetears that bisu is so low on the PR
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
This is the most disrespectful crap.
I don't give a damn if you disagree, but dropping off a two line post as nothing more than a vague insult to someone's hardwork is garbage. If you've got a problem with how he ranked then atleast put forth the effort to make a semblance of an argument instead of being obtuse and rude. You're better than that.
no he's not :p. he has to be up there in the list of most biased people on this forum, and it's significantly worse that he's an SKT fan. his post cries of SKT fanboy ragetears that bisu is so low on the PR
Lightwip has never had issues articulating his thoughts or explaining himself or his arguments. It doesn't matter that he's biased, like I said.
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
This is the most disrespectful crap.
I don't give a damn if you disagree, but dropping off a two line post as nothing more than a vague insult to someone's hardwork is garbage. If you've got a problem with how he ranked then atleast put forth the effort to make a semblance of an argument instead of being obtuse and rude. You're better than that.
no he's not :p. he has to be up there in the list of most biased people on this forum, and it's significantly worse that he's an SKT fan. his post cries of SKT fanboy ragetears that bisu is so low on the PR
Lightwip has never had issues articulating his thoughts or explaining himself or his arguments. It doesn't matter that he's biased, like I said.
i know, im just simply explaining why he doesn't need to offer his arguments or his ranking
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
I'm sorry Lightwip, what would you prefer? If my justification is weak, please provide a counterargument and back it up.
Wtf is that sheep thing looks hella funny like something my baby brother would draw except hella sloppy made me laugh enough to britten my day so ill nickname him rainbow sheep or " reep "
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
I'm sorry Lightwip, what would you prefer? If my justification is weak, please provide a counterargument and back it up.
hi lightwip
mr rapidash's PR for this month is quite excellent and isn't like as you described. it' s pretty well written actually.
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
I'm sorry Lightwip, what would you prefer? If my justification is weak, please provide a counterargument and back it up.
hi lightwip
mr rapidash's PR for this month is quite excellent and isn't like as you described. it' s pretty well written actually.
ty
I hear back in the day, Rekrul used to purge the forums
someone needs to give him a bottle of scotch and mod privileges, lol
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
This is the most disrespectful crap.
I don't give a damn if you disagree, but dropping off a two line post as nothing more than a vague insult to someone's hardwork is garbage. If you've got a problem with how he ranked then atleast put forth the effort to make a semblance of an argument instead of being obtuse and rude. You're better than that.
Don't get me wrong: I'd have just as much trouble ranking this month as he did, and I acknowledged that. However, this PR is extremely arguable in so many ways that what Milkis says really seems to be true. Sorry if I came across as rude, that was not my intention. I simply think that this rank is based upon so little that you'd have a hard time really justifying what's what. The fact that he took 2 hours to decide between Stats and Fantasy attests to this fact.
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
This is the most disrespectful crap.
I don't give a damn if you disagree, but dropping off a two line post as nothing more than a vague insult to someone's hardwork is garbage. If you've got a problem with how he ranked then atleast put forth the effort to make a semblance of an argument instead of being obtuse and rude. You're better than that.
no he's not :p. he has to be up there in the list of most biased people on this forum, and it's significantly worse that he's an SKT fan. his post cries of SKT fanboy ragetears that bisu is so low on the PR
I don't think Bisu did well this month. I just don't really think that he made a solid case for all his placements overall. Not that I think it would be easy for anyone else to either. I appreciate the jab at me, SKT fans, and Bisu though.
On January 04 2012 10:30 Lightwip wrote: I'll agree with what Milkis said once: you write a lot when your justification is horribly weak. Not the most simple PR to write due to the small number of games, but I digress.
I'm sorry Lightwip, what would you prefer? If my justification is weak, please provide a counterargument and back it up.
One thing specifically that bugs me about your PR's, this one more than any others, is how you justify your ideas with what appears to me as bias and things that are less than meaningful. There's no way to avoid it, and you can be sure that I'd be likely to similarly favor SKT players, yet usually it's not as apparent as it is this time. A lot of justification is based on inane and weak details. A few things I'd note that struck me in particular are Stats vs Fantasy placement and Jangbi vs Best placement(Yes, both SKT players, yet also the most arguable points in this PR, I'm sure you'd agree). Stats and Fantasy are certainly very similar in scores, but your justification for Stats over Fantasy was... contribution to the team. So because overall SKT is a more solid team, with a lineup of Bisu, BeSt, and By.Sun that can win without Fantasy, that makes him less powerful than Stats? I wouldn't agree with this line of logic, nor do I think it's valid in this case. Jangbi vs Best is also kinda biased. I'm sure you understood this yourself, with lines like "But BeSt didn't win an OSL last season, so sucks for him. " and "Honestly, JangBi hasn't done anything that notable." Not to mention you try to justify Best>JD by claiming that JD must have been off his game instead of giving enough credit where it is due for improving his weak matchup and sustaining his other ones. I have other gripes, though these two are the most obvious. They both happen to be SKT players so you might call bias, however I think you'd agree that the placement of those was VERY debatable. Though as I said, this isn't the easiest of PR's to make. That's why so much detail is necessary.
Funny about how you talk about consistency but you have Stats at #2. Glad to see more power rank but it's quite a shame that there's been a lack of games cause these rankings are seriously wack.
On January 03 2012 16:52 hyptonic wrote: wow wtf? sea definitely deserves a place, at least in shoutouts.
sea is the reason team 8 has been losing ,,,,, he deserves a shout all right but not in the way you might think it means WAKE UP sea !!!! team 8 needs you list of the pr seems good sad to not see someone from ace on the list but what can you do btw 1 more win for fbh to comeback to 50% winrate
On January 04 2012 19:43 shaftofpleasure wrote: but that's not a valid reason to belittle flamewheel's contribution.
I think I made it clear that I did not intend to do so.
Your first comment was specifically saying he's wrong because he went to more effort than usual. It doesn't get more belittling then that.
Just for reference, the inverse of that stupid comment is that Flamewheel would've been much more convincing if he didn't post any explanations at all, just the list of players.
On January 05 2012 09:43 TwoToneTerran wrote: Just for reference, the inverse of that stupid comment is that Flamewheel would've been much more convincing if he didn't post any explanations at all, just the list of players.
Close. He would be more convincing if it was so obvious that he didn't need to post any explanation but only the list of players because of how obvious the placement is.
You didn't use any of those qualifiers before, so not really.
He wrote about Flash, should Flash not be #1 despite it being so obvious because he did something more than "Don't even try to argue this one," ? Heck, one of the ones you argued (Jangbi over others for 10th) had the smallest explanation. None of it makes sense or really applies.
It was a thoughtless, rude, and frankly wrong comment. That's the long and short of it. You were trying to be snide, don't pass it off.
Shame you weren't around when JWD was making ranks. You'd have LOVED him.
Hmm, I think it's pretty pointless to argue with you about my intent in my own post. I'll just leave it at this. I won't discuss this issue any further since it's going nowhere.
On January 05 2012 13:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Intent has nothing to do with the logic behind an idiom, but okay.
the scout icon is like a middle finger sticking out to you with a big "faaack u"
tell me about the jwd power ranks though, i never really paid attention to power rank writers though i read most of the PRs
I do not know about JWD but I remember a couple of years ago, there was a PL writer that hated Stork. I don't know for sure though if it was a writer or a frequent poster in PR.
On January 05 2012 13:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Intent has nothing to do with the logic behind an idiom, but okay.
the scout icon is like a middle finger sticking out to you with a big "faaack u"
tell me about the jwd power ranks though, i never really paid attention to power rank writers though i read most of the PRs
I do not know about JWD but I remember a couple of years ago, there was a PL writer that hated Stork. I don't know for sure though if it was a writer or a frequent poster in PR.
JWD made ranks with really, really short descriptions, iirc
On January 05 2012 13:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Intent has nothing to do with the logic behind an idiom, but okay.
the scout icon is like a middle finger sticking out to you with a big "faaack u"
tell me about the jwd power ranks though, i never really paid attention to power rank writers though i read most of the PRs
I do not know about JWD but I remember a couple of years ago, there was a PL writer that hated Stork. I don't know for sure though if it was a writer or a frequent poster in PR.
JWD made ranks with really, really short descriptions, iirc
Nah, JWD had love affairs with ranking SKT players higher than everyone else and one month he knocked Flash from 5th to off the rank completely for going 5-1 (all in TvZ) and his reasoning was "Flash's TvZ is too weak right now."
Wow Lightwip was like the lone T1 icon around this thread who gets bullied by a bunch of Rolster icons. Geez, i realise he was too tactful with his initial post, but he made another post later to clarify that he didn't mean to come off harsh. Wouldn't have killed you to actually read the 2nd post, rather than ignoring it completely and shoot him down basing solely on the first one, you know? >.<
Awesome to have PR back! As a JD fan tho, I do think you are being a little lenient on him, his play looked pretty poor to me this past month, but otherwise well argued on everyone else
On January 06 2012 11:31 zeehar wrote: some people in this thread don't know what a power rank is... SEA?! sea, who is currently 1-5 and not playing particularly well?
On January 05 2012 13:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Intent has nothing to do with the logic behind an idiom, but okay.
the scout icon is like a middle finger sticking out to you with a big "faaack u"
tell me about the jwd power ranks though, i never really paid attention to power rank writers though i read most of the PRs
I do not know about JWD but I remember a couple of years ago, there was a PL writer that hated Stork. I don't know for sure though if it was a writer or a frequent poster in PR.
JWD made ranks with really, really short descriptions, iirc
Nah, JWD had love affairs with ranking SKT players higher than everyone else and one month he knocked Flash from 5th to off the rank completely for going 5-1 (all in TvZ) and his reasoning was "Flash's TvZ is too weak right now."
Those were the days.
Correct me if I remember wrong, but didnt Flash in those games beat an absolutely horrible July 3-0 in GOM and bbs effort in a game that didnt mather because Flash was already out of the OSL? Also he had just dropped out of both OSL and MSL because of TvZ (granted vs jaedong\yarnc who was great ZvT + kwanro), and during those days he just couldnt beat any of the dragons TvP. Sure he could beat everyone else TvP, but everytime he faced one of the dragons he lost + he had just lost a few ace matches iirc. So while it maybe was a bit harsh removing him totally from the list it was during a time when it looked like Flash would not win anything anytime soon despite his incredible talent. Obviously he proved us all wrong when he went into godmode shortly thereafter, but for a while there it looked kinda bad for him being unable to beat the best ZvT and PvT players.
On January 05 2012 13:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Intent has nothing to do with the logic behind an idiom, but okay.
the scout icon is like a middle finger sticking out to you with a big "faaack u"
tell me about the jwd power ranks though, i never really paid attention to power rank writers though i read most of the PRs
I do not know about JWD but I remember a couple of years ago, there was a PL writer that hated Stork. I don't know for sure though if it was a writer or a frequent poster in PR.
JWD made ranks with really, really short descriptions, iirc
Nah, JWD had love affairs with ranking SKT players higher than everyone else and one month he knocked Flash from 5th to off the rank completely for going 5-1 (all in TvZ) and his reasoning was "Flash's TvZ is too weak right now."
Those were the days.
Correct me if I remember wrong, but didnt Flash in those games beat an absolutely horrible July 3-0 in GOM and bbs effort in a game that didnt mather because Flash was already out of the OSL? Also he had just dropped out of both OSL and MSL because of TvZ (granted vs jaedong\yarnc who was great ZvT + kwanro), and during those days he just couldnt beat any of the dragons TvP. Sure he could beat everyone else TvP, but everytime he faced one of the dragons he lost + he had just lost a few ace matches iirc. So while it maybe was a bit harsh removing him totally from the list it was during a time when it looked like Flash would not win anything anytime soon despite his incredible talent. Obviously he proved us all wrong when he went into godmode shortly thereafter, but for a while there it looked kinda bad for him being unable to beat the best ZvT and PvT players.
the good old days of flash experimenting 14 cc and losing to 2 hatch muta yarnac and kwanro exploited that well enough no point in arguing about 2 years ago pr and what were the editor reasons behind it just take in notion no one is free of bias including jwd who was a jaedong fan ...and of course 22terran who is a flash fan
On January 08 2012 15:55 Mortality wrote: Three separate Power Rank discussions is too much. Why can't we just have our right side back? I'm going to start a protest.
I really hope the OSL will start soon, because we have little games to judge for PR. And no S-class games like in old good days of ace matches. We need important games to measure the PR more accurately. Even though everybody knows Flash is the best and will go like 100-0 in this proleague season.
EPT
Flash (T) (stats)
Stats (P) (stats)
Fantasy (T) (stats)
BaBy (T) (stats)
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