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Blizzard Cup - Semi-Final Preview/RO6 Review

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Blizzard Cup - Semi-Final Preview/RO6 Review

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December 14th, 2011 23:34 GMT
  • Blizzard Cup on Liquipedia
  • Campaign Trail: Leenock vs MC
  • Valiant Last Stand: Polt vs Mvp
  • Easy Peasy MCeezy?
  • The Throne of Terran

Campaign Trail: MC vs Leenock


By: WaxAngel

Game 1 – Dual Sight [image loading][image loading]: Leenock decided that the best way to take care of MC's three-gate expand into Stargate was a random Hydra-ling timing, but his calculations were horribly off. Instead of catching his opponent off-guard with his mid-game aggression, he found MC was actually the side with greater firepower with his giant army of blink-Stalkers. Slow Hydras being what they are, Leenock was unable to escape from his unwise engagement, and gave up the lead to MC. MC collected his forces for an attack, and easily took down the outgunned Leenock.

Game 2 – Shakuras Plateau [image loading][image loading][image loading]: After his two-base blink-Stalker pressure failed, it looked like a standard, slow macro-death for MC. However, Leenock played right into MC's hands, playing passive enough for MC to collect a death-ball of Colossi and Stalkers. Leenock went at this with Roach-Hydra, allowing MC to gleefully relive his glory days by crushing Zerg's silly ground army with his superior micro.

Game 3 – Daybreak [image loading][image loading][image loading]: The game followed a similar pattern as game two, where some failed harassment (this time, an earlier +1 zealot attack followed by a DT drop) put MC economically behind. Once more, Leenock allowed MC to build up a death-ball, but this time he had Hive tech ready in time for the major engagement. This time, Brood Lords proved to be enough help for Leenock to carry the day, but only barely.

Game 4 – Tal'Darim Altar [image loading][image loading]: Leenock went for a fast Nydus canal to facilitate a fast Hydra-ling rush against MC's fast expand (not an in-base Nydus, but one used to decrease the rush distance), but had the misfortune of being spotted by MC's Stargate units. This may have given MC the few seconds of extra preparation time he needed, because he was able to stop the assault with relative ease. After that two-base all-in was stopped, the rest of it was just a matter of going through the motions for MC, who gathered up an army and finished the series.


MC 3 – 1 Leenock


Perhaps this was not a huge surprise to some, who still thought Leenock had to prove himself against Protoss. What was more surprising was Leenock's insistence of going for ground army compositions, relying heavily on Roaches and Hydralisks. Leenock may have felt confident going for those units, but the way he clumped his units up and engaged in bad positions made him look like the countless Zergs MC had triumphed over during his GSL championship runs

Even people who haven't watched GSL should be familiar; MC has made a mockery of IdrA's ground armies on multiple occasions through superior micro, even though his American opponent was significantly up in army population. Leenock's macro was great, but his army and engagements were just outdated.

Defeating one of the hottest players on the planet is definitely a big step in MC's campaign to be re-elected as Protoss President, but it might be more symbolic than anything. Of course Leenock is a great player, but one can't say he played extremely well in the series. Still, anything that gets MC's confidence up can't be bad, especially now that he's facing what's probably a tougher challenge in DongRaeGu. MC got used and abused during their meeting at MLG, and during their game in the group stages of the Blizzard Cup, so I will have to be cautious about being optimistic for the time being. It will be interesting to see if MC can turn things around in so short a time.

As for Leenock, it appears that his rampage has been stopped for now. However, he's been the most rapidly improving player for the last few months, and now he will have nearly a month to practice and improve himself before the next Code S Tournament. Despite the loss here, I would have to cautiously predict a brighter future going forward for the Prince of War.

Mvp vs Polt: Valiant Last Stand


By: Fionn

Game 1 – Crossfire [image loading]: In my preview article for this series, I said Polt had to go the route MMA played against MVP at the GSL October Finals with builds to catch the best player in the world off guard. Polt tried just this, going for a proxy factory to lead into a Thor rush in the middle of map. Sadly, MVP knew something like this could happen, scouted it, and took a gigantic lead. With Polt's factory flying back to his main from the middle of the map, MVP stocked up on tanks. Polt couldn't catch up in tank numbers, and the game headed to an inevitable loss for Polt.

Game 2 – Daybreak [image loading][image loading]: More of the same from Game 1, but this time going a bit longer. Polt tried to make it a more standard game, going for his pure bio play, but for the second straight game, MVP knew what was coming and countered with a full mech army. Polt's marines were caught out of position, MVP's hellions and tanks chased down the small force and drove Polt right up into his own base. After having his whole army destroyed by tanks and hellions, Polt tapped out, getting dismantled in both games.

Game 3 – Bel'Shir Beach [image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]: In this game, both players went for the same marine/tank-type armies. In the early parts of the game, it looked like MVP was going to seal this as an easy 3-0 victory with his brilliant banshee attacks, and move onto a rematch with MMA. Polt had a different idea and held strong, using his micro to the best of his abilities and catching MVP during an over extension of his army in the middle of the game. After getting the upper hand, Polt took over, winning the game when a gigantic tank volley killed almost twenty of MVP's SCV's. Polt was able to get momentum on his side and push it to a fourth set.

Game 4 – Calm Before the Storm [image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]: In one of the best TvT games I've ever seen, the two players went for what they are best at. MVP went for mech. Polt went for bio. What occurred was a back-and-forth slug fest that put both player's on their heels countless times. If MVP would try and choke Polt with one of his beefed up tank lines, Polt would gather a large number of troops in medivacs and drop when MVP's less mobile army couldn't get to him.

In the end, after thirty minutes of high class TvT action, Polt went for Battlecruisers. This decision was a risky one. If he could win the air war with his BC's, the tanks would be unprotected and the game would be automatically over. If MVP got a big enough viking count to combat the BC's, Polt would lose the air army, not have enough bio due to the money he had to put into the BC's and lose the game. Sadly for Polt, the latter happened, MVP gathering enough vikings to take down the BC's and winning the game in explosive fashion.


MVP 3 – 1 Polt


After being handed his Blizzard Cup spot due to being 5th in GSL points, a lot of people said that Polt didn't deserve it; that a player like Sen or Xigua would be a better choice than Polt who had just fallen out of Code S. In this Round of Six clash, we learned two things: MVP is still the best player in the world with the best mechanics, and Polt is still one of the best Terrans in the world. The final game showcased the best mech user in the world and one of, if not the best, bionic players in the world.

Artosis was right. When MVP plays mech at his best in a standard game, pure bio will not beat him. Polt put up a valiant last effort, but it just wasn't enough. MVP has all the cheat codes and wants another trophy. Can the high octane drop-style of MMA take down mech? We'll find out tonight.

Easy Peasy MC-eezy?


By: deezl

Semi-Final Match One: (P)oGs.MC vs (Z)MVPDongRaeGu

MLG Providence this year was a breakout tournament for Leenock, and with his back to back tournament finals appearances I don't think anybody expected him to get dropped the way he got dropped by MC. MC handled Leenock's aggression easily, tempering Leenock the first game with a patient 3-gate expand, mauling him the second with a maxxed 2-base Protoss ball, and busting Leenock's Nydus bust in the final game. MC was looking sharp, like the MC of olde, running what appeared to be riskless MC strategies and flawless MC muscle play. Even game three, which he lost, was a credit to MC - he tossed out a splattering of DTs and early zealot pressure to earn himself a few points for mixing it up while up 2-0. Despite trading a dozen zealots for a spinecrawler and three roaches early, he still managed to bore a hole in Leenock's front with blink stalkers, snipe all the broodlords and infestors, and look just about as if he was on the verge of winning anway.

But still, that series reminded me a lot of how PvZ was played in February... Forge FE into Tech into Timing into Blink Stalker/Colossus and micro and hope for the best. That style of PvZ was eventually figured out, as all timed midgame builds eventually are, and it ushered in an era where PvZ was almost all 2-base all-ins one way or the other, with a smattering of macro games and a win ratio heavily slanted towards the Swarm. MC seems to think that now is the time to bring it back, with sim city answers to Zergling counters, slightly improved upgrades and FE defenses and a few mix-ups here and there to keep the Zerg on their toes. Where are the Warp Prism and creative forcefield and drop tactics that we've been seeing from his housemate HerO? Where are the fast third bases and creative Zealot play? (well, as creative as you can get with Zealots...) I'm not 100% sure the MC we saw last night is very different from the fallen-from-grace MC of a few months ago.

But enough about Protoss. DongRaeGu, our resident Zerg of interest, has been on a ZvP up trend of late. Where Leenock prefers to 1-A and then control while the units are spreading (a painful thing to watch against MC's precision spacing and micro) DongRaeGu prefers flanks and multiple control groups. Where Leenock chose the stocky and inflexible Roach/Hydra balls of old to compose his composition, DongRaeGu prefers more mobile and flexible builds using Zerglings as a core or flanking reserve. Whereas Leenock always seemed a touch behind on upgrades, DongRaeGu has a penchant for staying ahead. Where Leenock brawls and trades with his army, DongRaeGu can stay patient and prepare or counterattack. Overall and especially against MC's style where minimizing damage is paramount, I think DRG is going to eek out a lot more edges against MC.

In their last meeting at MLG, MC took the fight to DRG with a pair of middle of the road 2-base all-ins - both failed and MC was out. In MC's games against Leenock, the oGs legend appeared composed and powerful, but he still seems to be running strategies from earlier in the year. On the other side of the coin, DongRaeGu has recently showcased a modern and prepared ZvP, where he can really utilize his mobility and flexibility as a mechanically sound, reactive player to his advantage. DRG's last meeting with MinChul he proved that he could meet and overcome the Boss Toss's time-worn timings, and I don't think that MC has the preptime to prepare new ones for this difficult matchup. My prediction? MC wins against mutas, loses to infestor/broodlord, defends an all-in and puts up a good rumble but ends up rumbling himself out with close-but-no-cigar timing attack.

Prediction: DRG 3 - 2 MC


The Throne of Terran


By: Fionn

Semi-Final Match Two: (T)SlayerS_MMA vs (T)IMMvp

After defeating Polt in an exciting four game series, the King of Terran and three-time GSL champion moves onto to face the other player he graced with a Blizzard Cup spot. The ace from Slayers, the only player to ever defeat MVP in a GSL final: MMA. In another battle of the the two highest ranked Terran in the world, these two will vie for a chance to take another grand stage at the Blizzard Cup Grand Final. Both have shown so far this tournament that they are the top of their games, MMA going 5-1 in the group stage (only losing to Polt before getting his revenge the next time they faced) and MVP being a stellar 6-2 after his victory over the TSL Terran in the Round of Six.

The last time these two faced in the GSL, MMA came out victorious in Anaheim, shocking many by finally being the player to defeat the unstoppable MVP in the finale of a GSL season. To win, MMA played the perfect series; he started off with two tricky strategies, catching the defending champion off guard, playing like his mentor Boxer and getting a quick 2-0 lead. MMA, playing directly like his name, came out swinging in the first ten seconds of the fight and startled the heavyweight champion with stiff jab to the cheek and then an uppercut to the chin before he even realized the bell had rung.

With MMA being up so convincingly in the series, MVP had to play catch-up. He tried his best, but MMA wouldn't let him get back. He ended it in five games and was able to capture his first crown. Now, only two months later, these two will face off once more to see who truly is the strongest Terran of 2011. Both had decent November seasons, MMA getting to the quarterfinals before losing to Oz in a five game series and MVP doing the same against Leenock in one of the greatest series in Starcraft 2 so far.

For MMA to win, he'll need to bring the strategies. He had an extra day to practice for MVP while his opponent had to practice for a much different opponent in Polt and now only has twenty-four hours to prepare for MMA. With that extra time, I expect MMA to have a special build up his sleeve for one of the first two games. It is imperative for the Slayers ace to get out of the gates early; if he loses the first game, he doesn't want to try playing comeback against the Game Genie Terran.

Looking at the two players, I would say that the better mechanics and game sense are definitely in the favor of MVP. He knows what to do at every corner and will punish you if he spots the tiniest weakness in your build. The strength that MMA can hold over MVP is that he has the build advantage. MVP does have great training partners in Happy and Yoda, but they don't match up when MMA has an arsenal of Terran practice partners to choose from: Boxer, Ganzi, Ryung, Clide, and Taeja. Who is your pick? With all that talent and brain power on his side, MMA will be able to get the optimal builds to use in this series.

If MMA wants to win, he needs to play risky. He will need to take chances. Last night Polt went for a Thor rush in the first game against MVP, got scouted, and lost instantly afterward. If these two play five straight standard games, I would say that MVP wins in three or four games. If MMA can play like he did at Blizzcon, doing strategies that will catch him off guard, he can win this series. He'll need to get inside the Terran King's head and put him on tilt like the October finals. If he can do that, he'll repeat what he did two months ago and get into the finals. If he can't, and MVP is able to see through the tricks and not let himself lose a game due to a unique strategy, I see him winning this series.

Who wants it more? MVP wants another trophy to add to his case of titles. MMA wants to prove that October wasn't a fluke and that he can take down MVP's mech play. If you enjoy TvT, this series is for you. Even if you don't, this series is for you. Two of the best players in the world battling it out for a chance at the finals on Saturday? Don't miss it or you're killing e-sports.

Prediction: MVP 3 - 1 MMA









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Writers: deezl, Fionn and WaxAngel
Graphics: Meko
Editor: WaxAngel
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OdiousTea
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia357 Posts
December 14 2011 23:38 GMT
#2
Great write up as usual
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 14 2011 23:41 GMT
#3
Nice preview, MC is gonna win though!!!!
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
December 14 2011 23:42 GMT
#4
That.. that is a bad ass picture.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
HoodedAvatar
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 23:44:11
December 14 2011 23:43 GMT
#5
awesome right up, but i think you are underestimating MC. MC FIGHTING
TheWilki
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark10 Posts
December 14 2011 23:45 GMT
#6
Nice write up!

DRG Fighting!
Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
December 14 2011 23:45 GMT
#7
I'm really looking forward to the match ups tonight
:)
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
December 14 2011 23:47 GMT
#8
Great writeup as usual.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
December 14 2011 23:49 GMT
#9
Thank for the writeup.
I can't wait to cheer for DRG..."one U away from DRUG"-tasteless
moo...for DRG
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 14 2011 23:53 GMT
#10
Uhhhh I guess MC? Even tho I want a zergy~<3

MMA/MVP- gogogo
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
December 14 2011 23:54 GMT
#11
For some reason I feel the Mvp vs MMA will be completely one-sided, I hope not though. Should be some pretty good games tonight.

Awesome pic is back
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DestinedOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada84 Posts
December 14 2011 23:56 GMT
#12
MC is gonna roll DRG I BELIEVE! <3
Dodgin
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Canada39254 Posts
December 14 2011 23:56 GMT
#13
Great article thanks
omgimonfire15
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States233 Posts
December 14 2011 23:56 GMT
#14
Crap... I love all those players but the BOSSTOSS is probably my favorite. I hope he can make a comeback and win it all at the end of the year.
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
December 14 2011 23:58 GMT
#15
Why is Naniwa in there?
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
December 15 2011 00:00 GMT
#16
MMA vs MVP should be interesting and i love the picture of Naniwa it took me a second to figure it out lol
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 15 2011 00:03 GMT
#17
Hmm, so Fionn picked MVP to win? Nice, I was rooting for MMA. Seriously though, the MVP-MMA rivalry is probably the best rivalry to come out of 2011. These two players are the 2 best Terran players, but what is more amazing is that the series between them is quite even. Every time they meet, it is always on an important stage, and it can go either way. As an additional plus, both players have deep respect for one another. Go MMA!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
RatInPink
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden41 Posts
December 15 2011 00:04 GMT
#18
BEST PIC EVER :D
//theRIP
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 00:20:34
December 15 2011 00:12 GMT
#19
So excited for the MMA/MVP rematch! MVP gonna totes take it this time

Edit: Off topic, but also didn't they say on the stream that the Up&Down Matches for GSL November were going to be free
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
December 15 2011 00:17 GMT
#20
DRG > MC, MVP > MMA

We need epic TvZ finals.

MMA would be good finals also
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
December 15 2011 00:19 GMT
#21
MMA and MVP are very close in terms of skill, but MMA has three advances here: 1. he is more prepared, 2. MVP stated himself that is very tired and exhausted and he was more impatient against Polt as he usually is (mistakes like these can cost him everything against MMA) and 3. Fionn's prediction =)
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 15 2011 00:25 GMT
#22
MC MVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP finalss go go.

Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 15 2011 00:32 GMT
#23
That was 7 probes, not 6. Nani only had 6!!!

Anyway great write up. Hope you're wrong on both prediction cuz I want a Protoss to finally win something again in a GSL.
CakeMaster
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada65 Posts
December 15 2011 00:35 GMT
#24
You know what? NO! I call opposites.
MC 3-2 DRG
MMA 3-1 MVP
Slayers/oGs FIGHTING!












go huk :p
EG.HuK Fighting!
LeapofFaith
Profile Joined November 2011
United States446 Posts
December 15 2011 00:36 GMT
#25
Man both of these matches are going to be incredibly close >< I really can't pick who I want to win...
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
December 15 2011 00:47 GMT
#26
someone post the picture of mvp and mma sitting beside each other laughing at Blizzcon common area!

finals.. TvZ please! :D :D DRG versus any terran is always exciting to watch
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
December 15 2011 00:53 GMT
#27
On December 15 2011 09:47 FidoDido wrote:
someone post the picture of mvp and mma sitting beside each other laughing at Blizzcon common area!


You got me hooked up, if such a picture exist, I would love to see it =)
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 15 2011 01:20 GMT
#28
Hmmmm... I love HerO's PvZ, make no mistake. But I don't think it's the future of the matchup, or a bread and butter tactic for every protoss to learn and use. MC doesn't use them and can win games. If the game is suitable, he can also go to a macro game and outmacro any other protoss easily.

I'd too like to see some variance and creativity in MC's play, but it has to come from something that suits his style. And the heavy harass WP play doesn't fit in MC's hands imo, at least right now.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
December 15 2011 01:25 GMT
#29
MVP looking as invincible as ever, the winner of the Terran series to take the whole thing for me, but I just hope DRG advances. I believe it would be an incredible TvZ final, possibly the two best players at that match-up. It could potentially be the greatest final we've seen in SC2 so far, and it couldn't be more fitting.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 15 2011 01:59 GMT
#30
I hope MC wins the whole tourney, would be funny if he won when he was predicted to come last in the group and lose all his bracket matches
floatingbee
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore61 Posts
December 15 2011 02:09 GMT
#31
Good read! Can't wait for MVP vs MMA!
Latrommi
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States222 Posts
December 15 2011 02:15 GMT
#32
That picture of naniwa.... words can't describe
Possibly the best thread ever http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232912&currentpage=All
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
December 15 2011 02:15 GMT
#33
i'm hoping for a PvT final. A bit bored of ZvT finals lately.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
Eineez
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden37 Posts
December 15 2011 02:31 GMT
#34
Nicely written! Looking forward to it so much! It is also very cool to see all 3 races represented by really good players in the semifinals.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
December 15 2011 02:31 GMT
#35
That Naniwa picture should be on tshirts everywhere.

MC>DRG
MVP>MMA

MC>MVP

Huh, it seems capital letters in your name makes you a better progamer.
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
December 15 2011 02:34 GMT
#36
After my Internet was down for 10 days, short of posting about all of the drama I missed, I'd rather just show support for my favorite players. If I made a top 10 list, all four of these players would be included <3.
Strawburry17
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia130 Posts
December 15 2011 02:38 GMT
#37
There are two valuable truth in Fionn's thread

1. I would say that the better mechanics and game sense are definitely in the favor of MVP. He knows what to do at every corner and will punish you if he spots the tiniest weakness in your build.

2. If these two play five straight standard games, I would say that MVP wins in three or four games.

LG-IMSeed, the Upcoming Protoss Executor.
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
December 15 2011 02:58 GMT
#38
if MC wins this.... and wins another GSL...

Nestea, MVP, MC all have 3 GSL titles.

MC!!! win this and let the game of throne begin!
aiuradun
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark115 Posts
December 15 2011 03:00 GMT
#39
Am i the only one who wants the Naniwa probe attack img as a t-shirt??? would be sooo awesome. also i hope for a mma vs xx final i cnat really decide wheather ivote for mc or drg love them both <3
Eineez
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden37 Posts
December 15 2011 03:02 GMT
#40
On December 15 2011 12:00 aiuradun wrote:
Am i the only one who wants the Naniwa probe attack img as a t-shirt??? would be sooo awesome. also i hope for a mma vs xx final i cnat really decide wheather ivote for mc or drg love them both <3

i would definately buy it.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 15 2011 03:19 GMT
#41
Cheering for solid MVP play over cheesy agression from MMA
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
December 15 2011 04:04 GMT
#42
I think that MMA is going to win, precisely for the reason opposite to what was said. I mean, I think that MVP is going to be thinking <<how did I lose last time>>, and be hyper-vigilant about any kind of weird strat, letting MMA do what he does best: Standard, drop focused, harass heavy, bionic play.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 15 2011 04:06 GMT
#43
The MC/DRG games are going to be close. I can honestly see it going either way.
I still have faith in MMA. He's been playing strong. If he pulls out some of his secret builds he might be able to take MVP down. Whichever way these go, were going to have an epic finals!
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 15 2011 04:15 GMT
#44
MC 3-2 DRG
Dear Sixsmith...
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 15 2011 04:25 GMT
#45
glad to see not a TvT final?
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
December 15 2011 04:55 GMT
#46
On December 15 2011 12:19 MildSeven wrote:
Cheering for solid MVP play over cheesy agression from MMA

oh please, if MVP goes for the same opening and passive play every game, itd be stupid of a player to not go for aggressive strats against him
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
cavallone009
Profile Joined July 2011
24 Posts
December 15 2011 05:08 GMT
#47
MMA vs. DRG... man would that be an awesome final
quirky2000
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia50 Posts
December 15 2011 05:15 GMT
#48
DRG 3-1 MC, MMA 3-2 MVP.

Long odds, but that's what makes it fun :D
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
December 15 2011 05:41 GMT
#49
mc mvp finals would be fucking nice.
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
December 15 2011 05:43 GMT
#50
On December 15 2011 14:41 Kznn wrote:
mc mvp finals would be fucking nice.

And MVP will win.
MC's PvT is not good (as his PvZ).
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
December 15 2011 05:57 GMT
#51
GOGO MC! Reclaim the fame and glory :D
Write your own song!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
December 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#52
Whether DRG or MC, I will be happy for whoever makes it to the finals as both of them could use a big tournament win to pad their resume. On the other hand, I hope MVP crushes MMA and shows that talent can overcome preparation.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
December 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#53
On December 15 2011 14:43 Tauscond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 14:41 Kznn wrote:
mc mvp finals would be fucking nice.

And MVP will win.
MC's PvT is not good (as his PvZ).


Except MC takes games off of MVP regularly. It would be close.
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rewired
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada630 Posts
December 15 2011 06:11 GMT
#54
Got my fingers Crossed for
DRG > MC
MMA > Mvp

2 guys that actually call each other rivals, not rivals because a caster said so.
The two team league TITANS!
DRG's 13-2 record in GSTL Season 1
Vs.
MMA's 11-2 combined record through the first 3 combined GSTL's

Those 2 making it to the finals would be sooooooo sick
The road isn't always straight.
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
December 15 2011 06:22 GMT
#55
Anyone notice that there are 7 probes in the Naniwa pic?
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
December 15 2011 06:32 GMT
#56
I want an MMA vs. DRG finals so much that I am going to use my 500th post on it.

MMA fighting!!

Here's hoping to good games all around.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Strawburry17
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia130 Posts
December 15 2011 06:40 GMT
#57
I don't cate either MC or DRG make it to the final but I
really hope MVP advance!
Either way, It would be awesome!
LG-IMSeed, the Upcoming Protoss Executor.
Strawburry17
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 06:44:22
December 15 2011 06:43 GMT
#58
On December 15 2011 15:00 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 14:43 Tauscond wrote:
On December 15 2011 14:41 Kznn wrote:
mc mvp finals would be fucking nice.

And MVP will win.
MC's PvT is not good (as his PvZ).


Except MC takes games off of MVP regularly. It would be close.


Not really. Mc has never took games off of MVP recently. (maybe one or two sets)

Their win-lose record is 9-3 for MVP.
LG-IMSeed, the Upcoming Protoss Executor.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 06:54:30
December 15 2011 06:54 GMT
#59
On December 15 2011 15:43 Strawburry17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 15:00 MonkSEA wrote:
On December 15 2011 14:43 Tauscond wrote:
On December 15 2011 14:41 Kznn wrote:
mc mvp finals would be fucking nice.

And MVP will win.
MC's PvT is not good (as his PvZ).


Except MC takes games off of MVP regularly. It would be close.


Not really. Mc has never took games off of MVP recently. (maybe one or two sets)

Their win-lose record is 9-3 for MVP.

MC won in ace invitational. 9-4, And how is going 1-1 at WCG, and 2-4 at MLG and winning in ace invitational not taking games? Seriously.
McPricE
Profile Joined May 2010
58 Posts
December 15 2011 07:03 GMT
#60
MMA! MMA!! MMA!!! MMA!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone else find MVPs play, altho immaculate, to be stale and uninspired? Maybe I'm just hating the way I used to hate on Tiger in the late 90s-early 2000s cuz he always won. Regardless, MMA is the shit (Drops/mobility imo much more aesthetically pleasing than Mech, eat it Artosis) and I'd love to see Min Chul get past DRG. Esports needs more personalities like his, getting fired up and playing to the camera with EMPHATIC dont eff with me Mutumbo worthy finger wags. not just boring Koreans saying 'I respect my opponent and will do my best..yadda....yadda....yadda
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 15 2011 07:09 GMT
#61
On December 15 2011 12:19 MildSeven wrote:
Cheering for solid MVP play over cheesy agression from MMA

Oh pls you call him cheesy? Really dude?
ev4n121
Profile Joined September 2011
New Zealand3 Posts
December 15 2011 07:13 GMT
#62

On December 15 2011 15:43 Strawburry17 wrote:
Show nested quote +


Not really. Mc has never took games off of MVP recently. (maybe one or two sets)

Their win-lose record is 9-3 for MVP.

MC won in ace invitational. 9-4, And how is going 1-1 at WCG, and 2-4 at MLG and winning in ace invitational not taking games? Seriously.


He said off of MVP, not in general.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 15 2011 07:16 GMT
#63
On December 15 2011 16:13 ev4n121 wrote:
Show nested quote +

On December 15 2011 15:43 Strawburry17 wrote:
Show nested quote +


Not really. Mc has never took games off of MVP recently. (maybe one or two sets)

Their win-lose record is 9-3 for MVP.

MC won in ace invitational. 9-4, And how is going 1-1 at WCG, and 2-4 at MLG and winning in ace invitational not taking games? Seriously.


He said off of MVP, not in general.

...what? The games I talked about were taken off MVP...
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
December 15 2011 07:25 GMT
#64
awesome write-up. thank you! :D
^^
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 15 2011 07:31 GMT
#65
I have a weakness for MVP always had, so hoping he can avange his lost Finals 3-1
DRG is either overhyped or flagged as clueless, fact is he's got a mean ZvT and ZvP even his ZvZ isn't that bad, i see him win against 11 month old tactics of 2 base protoss, he also has the leenock games to watch and learn from that. 3-0
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 15 2011 07:33 GMT
#66
On December 15 2011 16:16 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 16:13 ev4n121 wrote:

On December 15 2011 15:43 Strawburry17 wrote:
Show nested quote +


Not really. Mc has never took games off of MVP recently. (maybe one or two sets)

Their win-lose record is 9-3 for MVP.

MC won in ace invitational. 9-4, And how is going 1-1 at WCG, and 2-4 at MLG and winning in ace invitational not taking games? Seriously.


He said off of MVP, not in general.

...what? The games I talked about were taken off MVP...


You do know that taking a game of MVP is not going to be enough right .. His odds are against him and MVP simply is the better player. MC might take a game though his timings are still suprising to some.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 15 2011 07:36 GMT
#67
On December 15 2011 16:33 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 16:16 Olinimm wrote:
On December 15 2011 16:13 ev4n121 wrote:

On December 15 2011 15:43 Strawburry17 wrote:
Show nested quote +


Not really. Mc has never took games off of MVP recently. (maybe one or two sets)

Their win-lose record is 9-3 for MVP.

MC won in ace invitational. 9-4, And how is going 1-1 at WCG, and 2-4 at MLG and winning in ace invitational not taking games? Seriously.


He said off of MVP, not in general.

...what? The games I talked about were taken off MVP...


You do know that taking a game of MVP is not going to be enough right .. His odds are against him and MVP simply is the better player. MC might take a game though his timings are still suprising to some.

What does that have to do with what I said? I never said MC would win or that he's a better player. Just correcting the guy who said he hasn't taken games off him in their recent meetings because he has.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
December 15 2011 07:45 GMT
#68
The best thing:
Doesn't matter who is winning, we won't get a mirror final! Yeah!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
December 15 2011 07:45 GMT
#69
best pic ever too
Incredible Miracle
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
December 15 2011 07:51 GMT
#70
"Artosis was right. When MVP plays mech at his best in a standard game, pure bio will not beat him. Polt put up a valiant last effort, but it just wasn't enough. MVP has all the cheat codes and wants another trophy. Can the high octane drop-style of MMA take down mech? We'll find out tonight."

I feel like the first sentence can't be said until we see the last sentence in action. I think that the heavy drop, multitask style of MMA will crush mech
ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
December 15 2011 08:06 GMT
#71
MurloC

min-chul fighting
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 15 2011 08:10 GMT
#72
On December 15 2011 16:51 Scrandom wrote:
"Artosis was right. When MVP plays mech at his best in a standard game, pure bio will not beat him. Polt put up a valiant last effort, but it just wasn't enough. MVP has all the cheat codes and wants another trophy. Can the high octane drop-style of MMA take down mech? We'll find out tonight."

I feel like the first sentence can't be said until we see the last sentence in action. I think that the heavy drop, multitask style of MMA will crush mech


This is something that can never be truly tested.
It's about how much better can one position himself vs how mobile the other can be.
These are not limited by the race, by rather by the map and player skill.

All we will ever see is who is more skilled in their craft when you see anyone do Mech vs Bio.
No one can argue mech loses to bio in direction engagement. (Assuming you have the proper army composition).
As far as overall STRENGTH, this is not the same as saying immortals counter colosi, this mechanic is unique terran and creates a very interesting dynamic in the game.

Point being, it is difficult to foresee that two players will ever simultaneously pull off perfect mech and perfect bio, which is the only way we could know what is "superior".
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
December 15 2011 08:49 GMT
#73
I read the third prewiew, and what i see? The authors dont like MC and always predict him loses. This articles just retarded =(
oGsMC <3
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
December 15 2011 08:52 GMT
#74
Loving all the content this week <3

(though it makes me a little sad we didn't get a recap of the best GSL finals ever =p)
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 15 2011 08:54 GMT
#75
On December 15 2011 17:49 TheWildShooter wrote:
I read the third prewiew, and what i see? The authors dont like MC and always predict him loses. This articles just retarded =(

All the more epic when he wins though right? :DD
LG)cheloman
Profile Joined June 2004
Argentina159 Posts
December 15 2011 08:56 GMT
#76
The NaNiWa graphic was #PictureOfTheYear2011.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 09:10:12
December 15 2011 09:09 GMT
#77
Pumped for tonight's games!
Someone call down the Thunder?
PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
December 15 2011 10:15 GMT
#78
at least this time around i get the Naniwa picture :D
"Who always takes a taxi, but never pays a fare?" - "Vegeta!?" ||||exclusively a fan of RET!! .... and perhaps ClouD !
defense
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil42 Posts
December 15 2011 10:45 GMT
#79
+ Show Spoiler +
nice preview this time
DRG 3-2 MC
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 11:57:09
December 15 2011 11:56 GMT
#80
Oops, wrong thread.

Also:

+ Show Spoiler +
I said MMA needed to be tricky to win. I thought MVP would be ready. His body wasn't ready.
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Miscellany
Profile Joined September 2011
Wales125 Posts
December 15 2011 12:04 GMT
#81
+ Show Spoiler +
MC/ DRG went pretty much as expected. Both players played so well, perhaps MC should have gone for another 2base timing on the 4th game but oh well.

MMA/ MVP was close, MVP loses because he does not have the foresight to see (basically cheese in 2 games) from MMA. It's really stupid of him, if he survives the early game we KNOW he is the best TvT player in the world. He should therefore KNOW that even a player of MMA's caliber will realise the best chance to beat him is cheese. He prepared wrong IMO, it would have been better to study Polt's style vs. MMA than to try orthadox, solid TvT play. No-one wants to face MVP in a straight up TvT, MMA can only eek out wins because MVP makes a few occasional mistakes. MVP is a master of the matchup - MMA is more an opportunist. Credit to MMA for managing to win.

Game 1: literally 2 wrong manoeuvres (going the wrong way back, then losing those 3 seige tanks), apart from that he outclassed MMA
Game 2: should have bunkered, it was the wrong decision to try and trap the bio ball of MMA, then he slightly messes up an SCV surround, then he does not replace SCVs. Do any one of those differently, it was his game to win.
Game 3: Again, he should have had the foresight to see cheese coming. Bunker = win yet again, going for an earlier seige is instant win, scouting the 2rax is an instant win (he had completely the wrong reaction when he saw 1gas/ 1rax reactor). In fact, anything but Banshee into CC or an early drop play is a build order win. /sigh

Disappointing from MVP, it seems he should have walked over MMA, but a few silly key mistakes and the lack of foresight to see cheese screwed him over. He lost the series to himself. Perhaps he was slightly shaken by who he was facing, but I know he'll be kicking himself for that defeat. Congrats to MMA for the win though.


The finals should be really good though, interesting matchup for sure, both finalists have shown some great skills.
FlyingBanana
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia43 Posts
December 15 2011 13:26 GMT
#82
mma vs drg !!! that will be a epic final
Like A Boss
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
December 15 2011 13:49 GMT
#83
On December 15 2011 21:04 Miscellany wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
MC/ DRG went pretty much as expected. Both players played so well, perhaps MC should have gone for another 2base timing on the 4th game but oh well.

MMA/ MVP was close, MVP loses because he does not have the foresight to see (basically cheese in 2 games) from MMA. It's really stupid of him, if he survives the early game we KNOW he is the best TvT player in the world. He should therefore KNOW that even a player of MMA's caliber will realise the best chance to beat him is cheese. He prepared wrong IMO, it would have been better to study Polt's style vs. MMA than to try orthadox, solid TvT play. No-one wants to face MVP in a straight up TvT, MMA can only eek out wins because MVP makes a few occasional mistakes. MVP is a master of the matchup - MMA is more an opportunist. Credit to MMA for managing to win.

Game 1: literally 2 wrong manoeuvres (going the wrong way back, then losing those 3 seige tanks), apart from that he outclassed MMA
Game 2: should have bunkered, it was the wrong decision to try and trap the bio ball of MMA, then he slightly messes up an SCV surround, then he does not replace SCVs. Do any one of those differently, it was his game to win.
Game 3: Again, he should have had the foresight to see cheese coming. Bunker = win yet again, going for an earlier seige is instant win, scouting the 2rax is an instant win (he had completely the wrong reaction when he saw 1gas/ 1rax reactor). In fact, anything but Banshee into CC or an early drop play is a build order win. /sigh

Disappointing from MVP, it seems he should have walked over MMA, but a few silly key mistakes and the lack of foresight to see cheese screwed him over. He lost the series to himself. Perhaps he was slightly shaken by who he was facing, but I know he'll be kicking himself for that defeat. Congrats to MMA for the win though.


The finals should be really good though, interesting matchup for sure, both finalists have shown some great skills.


WTF are you talking about? MMA doesn't need to rely on cheese to beat MVP and he certainly can stand toe to toe late game against MVP , just look at their past games. They both have beaten each other with cheese, mech, and bio. Yes, MMA did beat MVP with mech of his own before. That's what's great aboout these guys, they have so many different builds and strategies they can use and they're so evenly matched.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
December 15 2011 14:18 GMT
#84
I think MVP v DRG

Some of the greatest players in this tourney, it's really a pleasure to see it unfold.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
monkeycid
Profile Joined May 2006
Sweden44 Posts
December 15 2011 14:42 GMT
#85
If only TLO had been in this instead of MC, then we'd had the most TLA-riffic semifinal ever. At least it's a good acronym soup now.
woot!
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
December 15 2011 14:51 GMT
#86
great right . and best picture ever. should be made into a tshirt
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
supraWman
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany453 Posts
December 15 2011 15:06 GMT
#87
I'm really gonna be rooting for the winner of DRG/MC. But I really can't decide which one to root for during their next match. I want both of them to do really well.
MASATARO
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States13 Posts
December 15 2011 15:32 GMT
#88
NANIWA YAY
These pretzels are makin me thirsty!
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 15 2011 15:45 GMT
#89
Hmm...
Predictions are getting harder to make these days?
Miscellany
Profile Joined September 2011
Wales125 Posts
December 15 2011 17:54 GMT
#90
On December 15 2011 22:49 blamekilly wrote:WTF are you talking about? MMA doesn't need to rely on cheese to beat MVP and he certainly can stand toe to toe late game against MVP , just look at their past games. They both have beaten each other with cheese, mech, and bio. Yes, MMA did beat MVP with mech of his own before. That's what's great aboout these guys, they have so many different builds and strategies they can use and they're so evenly matched.

I did not say MMA needs to rely on cheese. I said MVP should realise that the vast majority of his opponents who face him in this sort of format are going to prepare various early aggression builds. That should be obvious to him (the same goes for someone like Idra).

It's no secret that MVP is the quintessential macro terran, so if MMA or polt or whoever are going to prepare, they are going to prepare builds that play to their strengths (i.e. not 15+min games with MVP). MVP should have realised MMA was going to play aggressive and prepared more solid openers and openers that would hard counter 1base all-ins. What did we see? We saw that both polt and MMA played to avoid any long games (mostly).

MVP's preparation and understanding of the situation was awful. MMA prepared better. MVP made one or two "in-game" mistakes (as opposed to strategies/ plans he will have decided beforehand) throughout the series and paid the price. I think MMA deserves the win, but I'm pointing out that MVP scored an own-goal by not reading this correctly.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
December 15 2011 19:15 GMT
#91
Having just finished the series I have to say that MMA really has MVP's number down. Not only in terms of strategies, but also his tactical decisions seem really spot on in order to push and pull MVP into making mistakes.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
December 15 2011 20:09 GMT
#92
Please let DRG win!!!!!! if anyone can topple the terran giants its him
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Childplay
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada263 Posts
December 15 2011 20:38 GMT
#93
MC FIGHTING!
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
December 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#94
On December 15 2011 21:04 Miscellany wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
MC/ DRG went pretty much as expected. Both players played so well, perhaps MC should have gone for another 2base timing on the 4th game but oh well.

MMA/ MVP was close, MVP loses because he does not have the foresight to see (basically cheese in 2 games) from MMA. It's really stupid of him, if he survives the early game we KNOW he is the best TvT player in the world. He should therefore KNOW that even a player of MMA's caliber will realise the best chance to beat him is cheese. He prepared wrong IMO, it would have been better to study Polt's style vs. MMA than to try orthadox, solid TvT play. No-one wants to face MVP in a straight up TvT, MMA can only eek out wins because MVP makes a few occasional mistakes. MVP is a master of the matchup - MMA is more an opportunist. Credit to MMA for managing to win.

Game 1: literally 2 wrong manoeuvres (going the wrong way back, then losing those 3 seige tanks), apart from that he outclassed MMA
Game 2: should have bunkered, it was the wrong decision to try and trap the bio ball of MMA, then he slightly messes up an SCV surround, then he does not replace SCVs. Do any one of those differently, it was his game to win.
Game 3: Again, he should have had the foresight to see cheese coming. Bunker = win yet again, going for an earlier seige is instant win, scouting the 2rax is an instant win (he had completely the wrong reaction when he saw 1gas/ 1rax reactor). In fact, anything but Banshee into CC or an early drop play is a build order win. /sigh

Disappointing from MVP, it seems he should have walked over MMA, but a few silly key mistakes and the lack of foresight to see cheese screwed him over. He lost the series to himself. Perhaps he was slightly shaken by who he was facing, but I know he'll be kicking himself for that defeat. Congrats to MMA for the win though.


The finals should be really good though, interesting matchup for sure, both finalists have shown some great skills.


Wow you must really hate mma or something because he outplayed MVP for sure. Making better decisions, bringing better builds, winning mind games are all part of being a good starcraft player. MMA clearly showed that in these categories he is superior to MVP. He may not have the superior mechanics but those are not the only things that qualify someone as the "best" TvT'er. (MMA has amazing mechanics anyways). So to say that MVP "outclassed" MMA and lost due to some stupid mistakes is a completely false and utterly ridiculous statement because MMA forced those mistakes and outclassed MVP in ways other than mechanics.
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
December 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#95
to all those who say "MMA only won cuz he cheesed!" think back to the GSL in Anaheim. guess who also won the macro games? yeah MMA. its noteworthy that the only game MVP took off of MMA that series was a marine-tank cheese against a 1-rax expand. think about that.
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
Miscellany
Profile Joined September 2011
Wales125 Posts
December 15 2011 21:42 GMT
#96
On December 16 2011 05:45 MasterKang wrote:Wow you must really hate mma or something because he outplayed MVP for sure. Making better decisions, bringing better builds, winning mind games are all part of being a good starcraft player. MMA clearly showed that in these categories he is superior to MVP. He may not have the superior mechanics but those are not the only things that qualify someone as the "best" TvT'er. (MMA has amazing mechanics anyways). So to say that MVP "outclassed" MMA and lost due to some stupid mistakes is a completely false and utterly ridiculous statement because MMA forced those mistakes and outclassed MVP in ways other than mechanics.

I'm confused as to where I've said I hate MMA, I've only praised him for good his preparation. He brought builds that played to his strengths and MVP's weaknesses. It's perhaps wrong to classify what MMA did as straight cheese (it wasn't , more aggression. And aggression is the correct course of action against someone known to play greedy and cut a few corners. I haven't said MMA is bad at TvT, but he has not had the consistent domination of the matchup that MVP has enjoyed this year. MMA is ahead in their head-to-heads (in major tournaments at least), but MVP has a much higher vs. Terran percentage win overall. The predictions reflected this (both the OP and the poll on GOMTV).

The main crux of my post was to outline how disappointing MVP's preparation was, (note: the gsl observer mainly followed MVP) but for MVP to bring builds that are obviously flawed, and to decide not to play safe (even in the last game) and to play the matchup as if he is against terran and not one player specifically is inexcusable. MVP didn't mess up in terms of mechanics, but he just seemed to choke or looked out of his depth. Maybe he does "fear" MMA, or he was nervous, but it didn't look like the MVP who is known for having 300 builds and selecting the best one every time, quite the opposite in fact.

I would say MVP is still a wizard at understanding how to engage in TvT. Coming back from a ~50 supply deficit with less bases in game one, (only to mess it up with a horrendous move error) refusing to die in game 2 despite being at a disadvantage the moment he misread the all-in, and again in game 3. I think MMA is to be praised for winning, but the fact is that MMA's builds were axiomatically so much better suited than MVP's let him win. The better player won in this case, obviously overall MMA prepared and played better, but I just simply cannot fathom what was going through MVP's mind in these games. I think the main reason he lost was brought upon him by himself. MVP's build just did not make any sense at all, MMA dictated the tempo of play of every game and the series (true indication of talent), but MVP hardly made any impression at all, it was shocking honestly. Sorry if that came across as anti-MMA, I don't mean to belittle his win at all, I'm just curious about what went on with MVP.

But anyway, I'm looking forward to MMA/ DRG, maybe the two greatest TvZ'ers in the world atm, and they both deserve to win imo.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
December 16 2011 02:15 GMT
#97
On December 15 2011 22:49 blamekilly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 21:04 Miscellany wrote:
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MC/ DRG went pretty much as expected. Both players played so well, perhaps MC should have gone for another 2base timing on the 4th game but oh well.

MMA/ MVP was close, MVP loses because he does not have the foresight to see (basically cheese in 2 games) from MMA. It's really stupid of him, if he survives the early game we KNOW he is the best TvT player in the world. He should therefore KNOW that even a player of MMA's caliber will realise the best chance to beat him is cheese. He prepared wrong IMO, it would have been better to study Polt's style vs. MMA than to try orthadox, solid TvT play. No-one wants to face MVP in a straight up TvT, MMA can only eek out wins because MVP makes a few occasional mistakes. MVP is a master of the matchup - MMA is more an opportunist. Credit to MMA for managing to win.

Game 1: literally 2 wrong manoeuvres (going the wrong way back, then losing those 3 seige tanks), apart from that he outclassed MMA
Game 2: should have bunkered, it was the wrong decision to try and trap the bio ball of MMA, then he slightly messes up an SCV surround, then he does not replace SCVs. Do any one of those differently, it was his game to win.
Game 3: Again, he should have had the foresight to see cheese coming. Bunker = win yet again, going for an earlier seige is instant win, scouting the 2rax is an instant win (he had completely the wrong reaction when he saw 1gas/ 1rax reactor). In fact, anything but Banshee into CC or an early drop play is a build order win. /sigh

Disappointing from MVP, it seems he should have walked over MMA, but a few silly key mistakes and the lack of foresight to see cheese screwed him over. He lost the series to himself. Perhaps he was slightly shaken by who he was facing, but I know he'll be kicking himself for that defeat. Congrats to MMA for the win though.


The finals should be really good though, interesting matchup for sure, both finalists have shown some great skills.


WTF are you talking about? MMA doesn't need to rely on cheese to beat MVP and he certainly can stand toe to toe late game against MVP , just look at their past games. They both have beaten each other with cheese, mech, and bio. Yes, MMA did beat MVP with mech of his own before. That's what's great aboout these guys, they have so many different builds and strategies they can use and they're so evenly matched.

Whilst I do agree MVP is better in the late game, MMA is not far off, and it is still tough to decide who would win. He chose great opportunities in those games, but if they were macro games it would have been close as well
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GhandiEAGLE
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United States20754 Posts
December 16 2011 02:34 GMT
#98
MC actually has this tournament in the bag already, why are you guys even wasting time predicting?
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Herper
Profile Joined January 2011
501 Posts
December 16 2011 06:20 GMT
#99
Gonna be an epic DRG vs MMA bo7 Final.
Lip the Pencilboy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Italy420 Posts
December 16 2011 13:14 GMT
#100
love the naniwa illustration, not sure if i like its message though
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Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
December 16 2011 14:16 GMT
#101
Naniwa's exposed pale thighs look a bit provocative to me.
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llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
December 16 2011 20:40 GMT
#102
Haha, Naniwa is such a baller in that pic ^^
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Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
December 16 2011 22:13 GMT
#103
AWESOME naniwa picture lol
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