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On December 12 2011 16:10 Clank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:27 ch33psh33p wrote:
Liquid bias never fails to shine through anywhere!
Good writeup regardless. =) yeah, not sure how he can be considered the top protoss in the world. In Dreamhack he was 1-1 against koreans (lost vs DRG, beat Puma) and in NASL he was 1-1 as well (beat hwangsin, lost vs Puma) and also beat sen. Then in code A he beat crazymoving before losing to asd. That is not nearly as impressive as it seems.
But when you start looking at what other protoss players there are in the GSL you can certainly make a case for Hero. With all respect to Puzzle and Oz (the two tosses that went furthest in code s), I can see why people don't put them or other protoss players much higher than Hero atm. All I'm saying it's not that far-fetched to make such a case. MC is really inconsistent, Huk is slumping a bit. Who else? Alicia, Jyp or Sage? It's not like they have performed amazing results either.
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You know I wouldn't mind the Hero bias ( it's TL they should be allowed to hype their own players ) if it weren't for the analysis of drg afterwards.
Drg has been undeniably more successful than Hero this year. His mlg placements are 5th at anaheim, 3rd raleigh ( knocks out hero), 3rd providence.
Hero's are 6th raleigh, 13th orlando, 10th providence.
Yes hero had to run the open bracket at raleigh and drg didn't ( Hero did make pool play), hero was then seeded for orlando and yet finished 3 places and a rank section behind polt who had to fight from the open losers bracket.
Drg has a 71% winrate in korea, Hero has 39%,
Both have won events to get to the blizzard cup, both have been noticeable this year in several tournaments/events but Drg has been far more consistent at making deep runs and beating other korean and high profile players.
Again I like Hero and it's cool to see his praises being sung but it seems awfully hypocritcal to do that then turn around and look at the more successful DRG and be like " Omg why aren't you winning all the things!" Either both have broken out this year and should be watched carefully and critically to see how they develop or both are showing potential but are not ready to truly be compared to the big names.
It's not even that I mind the criticism of DRG because he hasn't been the new zerg boss we thought could sweep into Code S and make terrans cower. It's that he's being criticised for not doing this at the same time Hero is being congratulated while not honestly being the new protoss hope everyone has been insisting he could be since he joined liquid. I have high hopes for both players, I want them both to do well ( I want Hero to pass his up/down group as well) but I still think Hero has more to prove then DRG does.
That said I like most of the preview ( lack of new fishuu art makes me sad though). Everyone else's bio looks nice and a lot of the match predictions make a lot of sense. The infamous oGs 'DT into lose' strategy. is a hilarious line and I will be waiting to see whether or not it gets used by MC or Hero on any of their opponents tonight.
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I'm actually pretty pumped for this. Great class of players in this tourney.
Regardless of who wins it should be super exciting to watch.
(My money's on MVP, it's always on MVP.)
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Hope I can stay awake to watch....
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Go Stephano, Naniwa!!!! Europe fighting!!!!!!!!!!
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Haha, the part that MVP has auto-win on Shakuras vs Zerg is hilarious lol. So true, I don't think any Zerg could break 3 PFs, 15 siege tanks and 50 ghosts by MVP lol
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MVP will crush the group, don't worry. I think Stephano could do well, or could go 0 - 4, it's so hard to predict with Bo1 against top players.
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No, just no.
Mvp > Stephano: I started writing something and then I saw it was on Shakuras.
most epic comment =) ^^
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This thread is going to explode if Hero doesn't do well now. -_-
I don't see him doing well right now for a variety of reasons, but at the same time predicting him to top his group is not so outrageously biased at all as he has the ability to beat everyone in this group without depending on luck.
As for the best Protoss argument, it has nothing to do with the DH victory. He is the best Protoss because when his mind is in the game, he plays better than others - he has better mechanics and a more fundamentally correct style.
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every single time i read an article i have to grin becuase of the losira cat at the end. its hilarious.
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On December 12 2011 17:34 Talin wrote:
This thread is going to explode if Hero doesn't do well now. -_-
I don't see him doing well right now for a variety of reasons, but at the same time predicting him to top his group is not so outrageously biased at all as he has the ability to beat everyone in this group without depending on luck.
As for the best Protoss argument, it has nothing to do with the DH victory. He is the best Protoss because when his mind is in the game, he plays better than others - he has better mechanics and a more fundamentally correct style.
Luck has very little/nothing to do with SC.
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My predictions are:
Mvp 3-1
HerO 2-2
DRG 2-2
MC 2-2
Stephano 1-3
Ofc I am hoping for a really close group and no objections of Stephano shutting my mouth for just giving him 1-3. :-)
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On December 12 2011 17:50 bikefrog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 17:34 Talin wrote:
This thread is going to explode if Hero doesn't do well now. -_-
I don't see him doing well right now for a variety of reasons, but at the same time predicting him to top his group is not so outrageously biased at all as he has the ability to beat everyone in this group without depending on luck.
As for the best Protoss argument, it has nothing to do with the DH victory. He is the best Protoss because when his mind is in the game, he plays better than others - he has better mechanics and a more fundamentally correct style. Luck has very little/nothing to do with SC.
True. But it has a lot to do with SC2. 
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Gomplayer as always fail to install... I guess Ill not watch this cup -_-
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Hoping stephano will shine today and naniwa tomorrow! Foreigners fighting!
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mostly agree,but i dont think Hero has the edge over MVP...
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MVP > HerO
MVP > MC
MVP > Stephano
MVP > DRG
HerO > MC
HerO > Stephano
HerO < DRG
MC > Stephano
MC > DRG
Stephano < DRG
1. MVP 4-0
2. DRG 2-2
2. HerO 2-2
2. MC 2-2
5. Stephano 0-4
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fking bad maps for mc whoa
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