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Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 21:11:24
October 01 2011 21:10 GMT
#101
On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions.


Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players.
And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really?

Yea the line-up sure do look weak

As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region.

Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU.

Huk or Sheth from NA.

MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia

While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY.

And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions.


Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify.

Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments

None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad.

I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels.

Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
stevorino
Profile Joined April 2011
957 Posts
October 01 2011 21:49 GMT
#102
very bold predictions about the chinese regarding sc2, carmac.
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Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 21:53:10
October 01 2011 21:51 GMT
#103
On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions.


Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players.
And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really?

Yea the line-up sure do look weak

As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region.

Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU.

Huk or Sheth from NA.

MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia

While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY.

And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions.


Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify.

Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments

None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad.

I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels.

Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.


Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self.

And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US.

Haters gonna hate

Brilliance
Profile Joined June 2011
United States28 Posts
October 01 2011 21:52 GMT
#104
Jinro isn't korean.
I feel sorry for you, Parting...
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
October 01 2011 22:33 GMT
#105
On October 02 2011 06:51 Lunas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:
On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions.


Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players.
And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really?

Yea the line-up sure do look weak

As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region.

Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU.

Huk or Sheth from NA.

MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia

While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY.

And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions.


Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify.

Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments

None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad.

I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels.

Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.


Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self.

And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US.

Haters gonna hate


Yes, when I check it had 3k viewers, less than Stephanos stream.

Of course, one can be as you and praise everything and flame all criticism but then nothing will ever improve. You have to give feedback for things to improve. A lot of things went wrong in this tournament, no vods, no rebroadcast (it was early as you say), lack of top tier players and not to mention that they didn't get the stream out to the proper channels. It wasn't mentioned on the front page of any of the larger SC2 sites, such as TL, Gosugamers or Rakaka.

So instead of writing random posts flaming people, write constructive feedback instead. As what you are doing is killing esports, it will never go anywhere unless there is feedback and improvement. Intel may very well stop sponsoring these tournaments due to the low viewer count, which isn't due to the lack of interest in SC2 tournaments but due to the lack of getting the stream out there on the proper channels (and to some degree not having the top players there).
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
October 01 2011 22:47 GMT
#106
On October 02 2011 07:33 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 06:51 Lunas wrote:
On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:
On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions.


Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players.
And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really?

Yea the line-up sure do look weak

As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region.

Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU.

Huk or Sheth from NA.

MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia

While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY.

And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions.


Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify.

Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments

None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad.

I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels.

Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.


Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self.

And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US.

Haters gonna hate


Yes, when I check it had 3k viewers, less than Stephanos stream.

Of course, one can be as you and praise everything and flame all criticism but then nothing will ever improve. You have to give feedback for things to improve. A lot of things went wrong in this tournament, no vods, no rebroadcast (it was early as you say), lack of top tier players and not to mention that they didn't get the stream out to the proper channels. It wasn't mentioned on the front page of any of the larger SC2 sites, such as TL, Gosugamers or Rakaka.

So instead of writing random posts flaming people, write constructive feedback instead. As what you are doing is killing esports, it will never go anywhere unless there is feedback and improvement. Intel may very well stop sponsoring these tournaments due to the low viewer count, which isn't due to the lack of interest in SC2 tournaments but due to the lack of getting the stream out there on the proper channels (and to some degree not having the top players there).


Killing esport o.0?

One thing is to write constructive feedback and one thing is to whine why my favorite players isn't playing.

Killing esports because I like a tournament that do qualifiers in each region to showcase the hole international scene and there up and coming players? Holy drama queen
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
October 01 2011 23:13 GMT
#107
On October 02 2011 07:33 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 06:51 Lunas wrote:
On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:
On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions.


Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players.
And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really?

Yea the line-up sure do look weak

As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region.

Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU.

Huk or Sheth from NA.

MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia

While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY.

And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions.


Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify.

Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments

None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad.

I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels.

Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.


Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self.

And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US.

Haters gonna hate


Yes, when I check it had 3k viewers, less than Stephanos stream.

Of course, one can be as you and praise everything and flame all criticism but then nothing will ever improve. You have to give feedback for things to improve. A lot of things went wrong in this tournament, no vods, no rebroadcast (it was early as you say), lack of top tier players and not to mention that they didn't get the stream out to the proper channels. It wasn't mentioned on the front page of any of the larger SC2 sites, such as TL, Gosugamers or Rakaka.

So instead of writing random posts flaming people, write constructive feedback instead. As what you are doing is killing esports, it will never go anywhere unless there is feedback and improvement. Intel may very well stop sponsoring these tournaments due to the low viewer count, which isn't due to the lack of interest in SC2 tournaments but due to the lack of getting the stream out there on the proper channels (and to some degree not having the top players there).

Underwhelming? Yes because of hours they couldnt crank up any international numbers, also some players are out of place. But is it making it a bad tournament? No.
Stork[gm]
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
October 01 2011 23:54 GMT
#108
"I think our League of Legends stream could potentially break the e-Sports record for concurrent viewers. " Wow I wonder if thats possible........
SargonTheGreat
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States217 Posts
October 02 2011 02:50 GMT
#109
I have to say I really like what Carmac has to say about "Investments," He seems very mind full of the localization of professional sc2. I am from the west coast of USA and I would love to see more localized tournaments and play. Props Carmac I will start following IEM whole heartedly.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
October 02 2011 03:07 GMT
#110
lol Wax

WaxAngel took "Idra will lose to a Protoss deathball on Shakuras" at 1-30 odds.
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legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
October 02 2011 08:09 GMT
#111
I wasn't all that impressed with the Chinese play honestly, but it's nice to see them competing at least. I really do hope they are able to progress in to the mainstream SC2 scene. Was a fun night all together, and IEM always does a great job setting everything up =D


gogo Strelok!!!!
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bugsybins
Profile Joined December 2009
Brazil29 Posts
October 02 2011 11:18 GMT
#112
Xigua so disappointing.
Ahem...
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
October 02 2011 11:53 GMT
#113
On October 02 2011 12:07 Hot_Bid wrote:
lol Wax

Show nested quote +
WaxAngel took "Idra will lose to a Protoss deathball on Shakuras" at 1-30 odds.

lol Wax
WaxAngel took "The final will be between two Koreans" at 5-2 odds.
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VoiceOfDecember
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia206 Posts
October 02 2011 12:30 GMT
#114
I've watched iGXiGua play in the KOTH. He's really good. And he's in the same group as DIMAGA, my favourite player. This is gonna be AWESOME!
If I keep making drones and expanding while fending off their attacks, I'm sure to win...right?
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 18:38:11
October 02 2011 18:37 GMT
#115
its kinda said when you have to classify rain as a non Korean just to make NA look good ... sigh
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
October 03 2011 02:46 GMT
#116
huh, I read "carmac" as "carnac" at first.

nice writeup.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 06:56:16
October 03 2011 06:55 GMT
#117
Treehugger: 2
Waxangel: 2

But Wax wins more points because I gave him awesome odds on IdrA being IdrA. t.t
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Tanuki
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation51 Posts
October 03 2011 10:28 GMT
#118
Strelok was the only one with a chance against Puma (JYP didnt live up to the expectations). If not for the ridiculous admin blunder he would've faced Puma after Idra (I think, he is capable of winning against Idra, besides it would've been a hell of a game in general). Now I dont really see how anyone can beat Puma. qq
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
October 03 2011 13:07 GMT
#119
Great article. It's been a really cool tournament. Lots of upsets and people barely getting out of their groups...
Can't wait to see how finals turn out.
Try another route paperboy.
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
October 03 2011 18:52 GMT
#120
MURDERING GORRILLA TERRAN HWAITINGG
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