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On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions. Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players. And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really? Yea the line-up sure do look weak  As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region. Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU. Huk or Sheth from NA. MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY. And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions. Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify. Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments
None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad.
I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels.
Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.
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very bold predictions about the chinese regarding sc2, carmac.
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On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions. Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players. And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really? Yea the line-up sure do look weak As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region. Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU. Huk or Sheth from NA. MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY. And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions. Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify. Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad. I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels. Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it.
Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self.
And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US.
Haters gonna hate
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On October 02 2011 06:51 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions. Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players. And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really? Yea the line-up sure do look weak As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region. Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU. Huk or Sheth from NA. MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY. And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions. Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify. Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad. I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels. Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it. Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self. And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US. Haters gonna hate
Yes, when I check it had 3k viewers, less than Stephanos stream.
Of course, one can be as you and praise everything and flame all criticism but then nothing will ever improve. You have to give feedback for things to improve. A lot of things went wrong in this tournament, no vods, no rebroadcast (it was early as you say), lack of top tier players and not to mention that they didn't get the stream out to the proper channels. It wasn't mentioned on the front page of any of the larger SC2 sites, such as TL, Gosugamers or Rakaka.
So instead of writing random posts flaming people, write constructive feedback instead. As what you are doing is killing esports, it will never go anywhere unless there is feedback and improvement. Intel may very well stop sponsoring these tournaments due to the low viewer count, which isn't due to the lack of interest in SC2 tournaments but due to the lack of getting the stream out there on the proper channels (and to some degree not having the top players there).
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On October 02 2011 07:33 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 06:51 Lunas wrote:On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions. Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players. And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really? Yea the line-up sure do look weak As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region. Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU. Huk or Sheth from NA. MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY. And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions. Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify. Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad. I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels. Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it. Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self. And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US. Haters gonna hate Yes, when I check it had 3k viewers, less than Stephanos stream. Of course, one can be as you and praise everything and flame all criticism but then nothing will ever improve. You have to give feedback for things to improve. A lot of things went wrong in this tournament, no vods, no rebroadcast (it was early as you say), lack of top tier players and not to mention that they didn't get the stream out to the proper channels. It wasn't mentioned on the front page of any of the larger SC2 sites, such as TL, Gosugamers or Rakaka. So instead of writing random posts flaming people, write constructive feedback instead. As what you are doing is killing esports, it will never go anywhere unless there is feedback and improvement. Intel may very well stop sponsoring these tournaments due to the low viewer count, which isn't due to the lack of interest in SC2 tournaments but due to the lack of getting the stream out there on the proper channels (and to some degree not having the top players there).
Killing esport o.0?
One thing is to write constructive feedback and one thing is to whine why my favorite players isn't playing.
Killing esports because I like a tournament that do qualifiers in each region to showcase the hole international scene and there up and coming players? Holy drama queen
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On October 02 2011 07:33 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 06:51 Lunas wrote:On October 02 2011 06:10 Paladia wrote:On October 02 2011 05:12 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 20:41 Paladia wrote:On October 01 2011 18:53 Lunas wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 Paladia wrote:
I have to say that this is likely the weakest line-up I've seen for a very long time in one of the major tournaments. It doesn't feature any of the power houses from any of the regions. Sure the tournament only got one of the best zergs "Dimaga" in EU and one of the best terran "Strelok" in EU. US only got the best player "Idra" attending. The Chinese only got there best players. And Rain, JYP, Puma, Revival not top Koreans really? Yea the line-up sure do look weak As I said, it doesn't have any of the best players from any region. Players such as Thorzain, Naniwa or Mana from EU. Huk or Sheth from NA. MVP, NesTea or DRG from Asia While people love to dispute who the best players are, I think it is quite apparent that the IEM only got the second grade players, which is quite surprising and sad. Instead of the best it has players like Elfi, Jinro, Idra and YHY. And no, players like Revival, Rain or JYP are no-where near the top. If anything, they are closer to the bottom. This is without a doubt the weakest line-up I've seen in in a high concept tournament, as it doesn't have a single one of the very top from either regions. Well they need to qualify and they couldn't so those players in IEM atm deserve to be here. The great thing about IEM is that you have to qualify to get to play in IEM. So no matter how much you think how good those players are the fact of the matter is they didn't qualify. Personally I like this format much better then the invitational tournaments None of the players I mentioned "couldn't qualify". It is that either they qualified but didn't even bother to go (such as Mana), didn't have a qualifier (such as MVP, Nestea or DRG) or didn't even enter the qualifier. Either way, the tournament lacks all of the top players, which is really too bad. I've not stated whose fault it is, I just pointed out that the tournament lacks the top players. IEM can either be happy about that and continue with their 3k viewers on the stream for the tournament, or attempt to step it up for the future. Though part of that failure isn't just the lack of top players but also their inability to broadcast the stream on the correct channels. Stephano streaming his ladder grind had more viewers than the IEM tournament stream, which has to be seen as a complete failure. Carmac is good in may ways but he isn't very into the SC2 community, I really hope he takes responsibility for this though and fixes it for the future. For what's the point in having a tournament if no one sees? There arent even any vods or rebroadcasts so there is little chance for anyone to ever see it. Whatever don't watch it then. Just because you as fan clearly favor the player of the month doesn't mean that IEM have to invite the best of the best. There is so many players in the world and IEM is trying to showcase the best from China and SEA and I think its great for the international scene to give up and coming players like JYP like Revival,XiGua a chance to show them self. And 3k viewers ?? they had around 10k viewers on the English stream and properly a lot more on the Chinese stream when they ended day 1. That´s really good considering it was played very early in the morning for EU and US. Haters gonna hate Yes, when I check it had 3k viewers, less than Stephanos stream. Of course, one can be as you and praise everything and flame all criticism but then nothing will ever improve. You have to give feedback for things to improve. A lot of things went wrong in this tournament, no vods, no rebroadcast (it was early as you say), lack of top tier players and not to mention that they didn't get the stream out to the proper channels. It wasn't mentioned on the front page of any of the larger SC2 sites, such as TL, Gosugamers or Rakaka. So instead of writing random posts flaming people, write constructive feedback instead. As what you are doing is killing esports, it will never go anywhere unless there is feedback and improvement. Intel may very well stop sponsoring these tournaments due to the low viewer count, which isn't due to the lack of interest in SC2 tournaments but due to the lack of getting the stream out there on the proper channels (and to some degree not having the top players there).
Underwhelming? Yes because of hours they couldnt crank up any international numbers, also some players are out of place. But is it making it a bad tournament? No.
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"I think our League of Legends stream could potentially break the e-Sports record for concurrent viewers. " Wow I wonder if thats possible........
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I have to say I really like what Carmac has to say about "Investments," He seems very mind full of the localization of professional sc2. I am from the west coast of USA and I would love to see more localized tournaments and play. Props Carmac I will start following IEM whole heartedly.
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Braavos36387 Posts
lol Wax
WaxAngel took "Idra will lose to a Protoss deathball on Shakuras" at 1-30 odds.
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I wasn't all that impressed with the Chinese play honestly, but it's nice to see them competing at least. I really do hope they are able to progress in to the mainstream SC2 scene. Was a fun night all together, and IEM always does a great job setting everything up =D
gogo Strelok!!!! 
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On October 02 2011 12:07 Hot_Bid wrote:lol Wax Show nested quote +WaxAngel took "Idra will lose to a Protoss deathball on Shakuras" at 1-30 odds.
lol Wax
WaxAngel took "The final will be between two Koreans" at 5-2 odds.
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I've watched iGXiGua play in the KOTH. He's really good. And he's in the same group as DIMAGA, my favourite player. This is gonna be AWESOME!
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its kinda said when you have to classify rain as a non Korean just to make NA look good ... sigh
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United States10328 Posts
huh, I read "carmac" as "carnac" at first.
nice writeup.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Treehugger: 2
Waxangel: 2
But Wax wins more points because I gave him awesome odds on IdrA being IdrA. t.t
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Russian Federation51 Posts
Strelok was the only one with a chance against Puma (JYP didnt live up to the expectations). If not for the ridiculous admin blunder he would've faced Puma after Idra (I think, he is capable of winning against Idra, besides it would've been a hell of a game in general). Now I dont really see how anyone can beat Puma. qq
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Great article. It's been a really cool tournament. Lots of upsets and people barely getting out of their groups...
Can't wait to see how finals turn out.
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MURDERING GORRILLA TERRAN HWAITINGG
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EPT
