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Gratz Sheth! He fits perfect in the TL picture, mannerbear <3
On July 29 2011 15:08 poda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:59 BrahCJ wrote:On July 29 2011 14:48 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 13:51 EnderSword wrote:On July 29 2011 13:13 poda wrote:
I find it amusing that esports want's to be considered professional yet a professional contract means nothing and gamers are aloud to jump from one team to another like there contract was written on a bar napkin. Considering the professionalism (or lack there of) I have witnessed in the past few months following esports, I would not be surprised if they are. Do you have any examples? Who has actually broken a contract? Sheth didn't break any contract with FXO, Puma never had one with TSL, Most player transfers have been teams buying out another team, (VT, fOu, coL etc..) Or players not under a contract simply switching teams. (Fruitdealer et al) The only one who I can think of that actually broke a deal with Destiny, and he really just reneged on something he signed like 2 days before. Like any sport, players get traded and moved, and if someone's contract is up, they're basically a free agent. I think it's great that Sheth is joining Liquid, I don't think he's broken any contract to do this. In any other professional sport if a player is under contract they are expected to do there job until the contract is terminated. In some cases player's are released and in some player's quit. It seems in esports (perhaps just sc2 as i don't follow other's) that in both cases there are never any consequence for either party (player, coach or manager). It may not matter to player or team that people jump from team to team like this but after following other professional sports and being involved with others this does look very unprofessional. It looks like contracts don't exist or are indeed meaningless. It makes the sport look unprofessional, like it is just a bunch of kids playing video games. I think the reason for this is the lack of an organisation overseeing the sport. Although another topic I do believe this is the underlying reason. Every professional sport has a governing body that makes sure contracts are upheld, participants are looked after, transfer windows are enforced and the list goes on. Im not trying to hate on the community or indeed Sheth or team Liquid. But after following the sport for only a few months it is difficult to take the professional side seriously with the lack of professionalism within. If you want to attract big sponsors and big money that it would have to change as i'm sure that people within big business would have the same concerns. Let's say a sponsor was tempted to give to team liquid because of the Sheth signing, they have no guarantee that he will not just walk out on this team. And i'm not saying Sheth will its just an example, same thing could be said for any big name on any team. Why sponser that team because of that player, if the player can just change to another team over night? Firsty, wall of text. Secondly, "not saying sheth will just walk out, just an example" in the thread that anounces Sheths signing?... Oookkkk... Thirdly, the garentee for the sponsor is the contract. There is a contract here. There was no breaking of any contract when Sheth left FXO. it was mutual. Coming in here spraying bullshit about the uncertaintly of professional esports teams without any facts is stupid. Now. Onto what really matters. OMFG GO SHETH! Such a deserving man! I hope TL can find him a way to spend a little more time in Korea, the way it suits him! And of course, congrats to TL. You have signed yourself one he'll of a man, and a player. Clearly you miss my point and you don't know what your talking about.
Where in these past months that you've been following the scene has a player or an organisation broken a contract onesidedly without carrying the consequences? Mind you that organisations keep financial matters private and that we may not have any knowledge about them. Your point is that the current espoRTS scene is unprofessional, but do you have any proof?
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Awesome news
I hope he'll give korea another try now : )
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Congratulations to both Liquid and Sheth they both suit each other, good luck on all your endeavours together as a team. ^^
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On July 29 2011 17:04 Jyaki wrote:
That's good and all, but isn't there too many Zergs with the Liquid' tag now? You've alreadt Ret and Haypro and occasionally TLO.
Don't be racist! :p
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Great news! Sheth is so nice! Liquid is so nice!
I wish you guys many Good.Games in the future! :D
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On July 29 2011 15:08 poda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:59 BrahCJ wrote:On July 29 2011 14:48 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 13:51 EnderSword wrote:On July 29 2011 13:13 poda wrote:
I find it amusing that esports want's to be considered professional yet a professional contract means nothing and gamers are aloud to jump from one team to another like there contract was written on a bar napkin. Considering the professionalism (or lack there of) I have witnessed in the past few months following esports, I would not be surprised if they are. Do you have any examples? Who has actually broken a contract? Sheth didn't break any contract with FXO, Puma never had one with TSL, Most player transfers have been teams buying out another team, (VT, fOu, coL etc..) Or players not under a contract simply switching teams. (Fruitdealer et al) The only one who I can think of that actually broke a deal with Destiny, and he really just reneged on something he signed like 2 days before. Like any sport, players get traded and moved, and if someone's contract is up, they're basically a free agent. I think it's great that Sheth is joining Liquid, I don't think he's broken any contract to do this. In any other professional sport if a player is under contract they are expected to do there job until the contract is terminated. In some cases player's are released and in some player's quit. It seems in esports (perhaps just sc2 as i don't follow other's) that in both cases there are never any consequence for either party (player, coach or manager). It may not matter to player or team that people jump from team to team like this but after following other professional sports and being involved with others this does look very unprofessional. It looks like contracts don't exist or are indeed meaningless. It makes the sport look unprofessional, like it is just a bunch of kids playing video games. I think the reason for this is the lack of an organisation overseeing the sport. Although another topic I do believe this is the underlying reason. Every professional sport has a governing body that makes sure contracts are upheld, participants are looked after, transfer windows are enforced and the list goes on. Im not trying to hate on the community or indeed Sheth or team Liquid. But after following the sport for only a few months it is difficult to take the professional side seriously with the lack of professionalism within. If you want to attract big sponsors and big money that it would have to change as i'm sure that people within big business would have the same concerns. Let's say a sponsor was tempted to give to team liquid because of the Sheth signing, they have no guarantee that he will not just walk out on this team. And i'm not saying Sheth will its just an example, same thing could be said for any big name on any team. Why sponser that team because of that player, if the player can just change to another team over night? Firsty, wall of text. Secondly, "not saying sheth will just walk out, just an example" in the thread that anounces Sheths signing?... Oookkkk... Thirdly, the garentee for the sponsor is the contract. There is a contract here. There was no breaking of any contract when Sheth left FXO. it was mutual. Coming in here spraying bullshit about the uncertaintly of professional esports teams without any facts is stupid. Now. Onto what really matters. OMFG GO SHETH! Such a deserving man! I hope TL can find him a way to spend a little more time in Korea, the way it suits him! And of course, congrats to TL. You have signed yourself one he'll of a man, and a player. Clearly you miss my point and you don't know what your talking about.
Are you suggesting Sheth broke his contract? You do know he was released from FXO before TL even talked to him right?
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On July 29 2011 17:04 butch wrote:Gratz Sheth! He fits perfect in the TL picture, mannerbear <3 Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 15:08 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 14:59 BrahCJ wrote:On July 29 2011 14:48 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 13:51 EnderSword wrote:On July 29 2011 13:13 poda wrote:
I find it amusing that esports want's to be considered professional yet a professional contract means nothing and gamers are aloud to jump from one team to another like there contract was written on a bar napkin. Considering the professionalism (or lack there of) I have witnessed in the past few months following esports, I would not be surprised if they are. Do you have any examples? Who has actually broken a contract? Sheth didn't break any contract with FXO, Puma never had one with TSL, Most player transfers have been teams buying out another team, (VT, fOu, coL etc..) Or players not under a contract simply switching teams. (Fruitdealer et al) The only one who I can think of that actually broke a deal with Destiny, and he really just reneged on something he signed like 2 days before. Like any sport, players get traded and moved, and if someone's contract is up, they're basically a free agent. I think it's great that Sheth is joining Liquid, I don't think he's broken any contract to do this. In any other professional sport if a player is under contract they are expected to do there job until the contract is terminated. In some cases player's are released and in some player's quit. It seems in esports (perhaps just sc2 as i don't follow other's) that in both cases there are never any consequence for either party (player, coach or manager). It may not matter to player or team that people jump from team to team like this but after following other professional sports and being involved with others this does look very unprofessional. It looks like contracts don't exist or are indeed meaningless. It makes the sport look unprofessional, like it is just a bunch of kids playing video games. I think the reason for this is the lack of an organisation overseeing the sport. Although another topic I do believe this is the underlying reason. Every professional sport has a governing body that makes sure contracts are upheld, participants are looked after, transfer windows are enforced and the list goes on. Im not trying to hate on the community or indeed Sheth or team Liquid. But after following the sport for only a few months it is difficult to take the professional side seriously with the lack of professionalism within. If you want to attract big sponsors and big money that it would have to change as i'm sure that people within big business would have the same concerns. Let's say a sponsor was tempted to give to team liquid because of the Sheth signing, they have no guarantee that he will not just walk out on this team. And i'm not saying Sheth will its just an example, same thing could be said for any big name on any team. Why sponser that team because of that player, if the player can just change to another team over night? Firsty, wall of text. Secondly, "not saying sheth will just walk out, just an example" in the thread that anounces Sheths signing?... Oookkkk... Thirdly, the garentee for the sponsor is the contract. There is a contract here. There was no breaking of any contract when Sheth left FXO. it was mutual. Coming in here spraying bullshit about the uncertaintly of professional esports teams without any facts is stupid. Now. Onto what really matters. OMFG GO SHETH! Such a deserving man! I hope TL can find him a way to spend a little more time in Korea, the way it suits him! And of course, congrats to TL. You have signed yourself one he'll of a man, and a player. Clearly you miss my point and you don't know what your talking about. Where in these past months that you've been following the scene has a player or an organisation broken a contract onesidedly without carrying the consequences? Mind you that organisations keep financial matters private and that we may not have any knowledge about them. Your point is that the current espoRTS scene is unprofessional, but do you have any proof?
Are you saying that player's are not continuously leaving team's and joining new one's with any problem's? Name me another professional sport where people can do this when ever they like?
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Cool! Gl man Sheth! Gratz TL on your pickup!
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I never liked Sheth.
But still i wish him and Teamliquid best of luck! Maybe he will change my mind in the future.
*TL fighting*
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I got proven oh so wrong oh so badly, but for once its a good thing haha :D.
Congrats.
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great choice on both parts! GL Sheth !
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Good news! Hope to see some sick dedication as Jinro and Huk have
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Oh, that's a surprise.
Good luck, Sheth  And great choice TL!
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So happy to see one of my favorite zergs join my favorite team
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On July 29 2011 17:08 poda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 17:04 butch wrote:Gratz Sheth! He fits perfect in the TL picture, mannerbear <3 On July 29 2011 15:08 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 14:59 BrahCJ wrote:On July 29 2011 14:48 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 13:51 EnderSword wrote:On July 29 2011 13:13 poda wrote:
I find it amusing that esports want's to be considered professional yet a professional contract means nothing and gamers are aloud to jump from one team to another like there contract was written on a bar napkin. Considering the professionalism (or lack there of) I have witnessed in the past few months following esports, I would not be surprised if they are. Do you have any examples? Who has actually broken a contract? Sheth didn't break any contract with FXO, Puma never had one with TSL, Most player transfers have been teams buying out another team, (VT, fOu, coL etc..) Or players not under a contract simply switching teams. (Fruitdealer et al) The only one who I can think of that actually broke a deal with Destiny, and he really just reneged on something he signed like 2 days before. Like any sport, players get traded and moved, and if someone's contract is up, they're basically a free agent. I think it's great that Sheth is joining Liquid, I don't think he's broken any contract to do this. In any other professional sport if a player is under contract they are expected to do there job until the contract is terminated. In some cases player's are released and in some player's quit. It seems in esports (perhaps just sc2 as i don't follow other's) that in both cases there are never any consequence for either party (player, coach or manager). It may not matter to player or team that people jump from team to team like this but after following other professional sports and being involved with others this does look very unprofessional. It looks like contracts don't exist or are indeed meaningless. It makes the sport look unprofessional, like it is just a bunch of kids playing video games. I think the reason for this is the lack of an organisation overseeing the sport. Although another topic I do believe this is the underlying reason. Every professional sport has a governing body that makes sure contracts are upheld, participants are looked after, transfer windows are enforced and the list goes on. Im not trying to hate on the community or indeed Sheth or team Liquid. But after following the sport for only a few months it is difficult to take the professional side seriously with the lack of professionalism within. If you want to attract big sponsors and big money that it would have to change as i'm sure that people within big business would have the same concerns. Let's say a sponsor was tempted to give to team liquid because of the Sheth signing, they have no guarantee that he will not just walk out on this team. And i'm not saying Sheth will its just an example, same thing could be said for any big name on any team. Why sponser that team because of that player, if the player can just change to another team over night? Firsty, wall of text. Secondly, "not saying sheth will just walk out, just an example" in the thread that anounces Sheths signing?... Oookkkk... Thirdly, the garentee for the sponsor is the contract. There is a contract here. There was no breaking of any contract when Sheth left FXO. it was mutual. Coming in here spraying bullshit about the uncertaintly of professional esports teams without any facts is stupid. Now. Onto what really matters. OMFG GO SHETH! Such a deserving man! I hope TL can find him a way to spend a little more time in Korea, the way it suits him! And of course, congrats to TL. You have signed yourself one he'll of a man, and a player. Clearly you miss my point and you don't know what your talking about. Where in these past months that you've been following the scene has a player or an organisation broken a contract onesidedly without carrying the consequences? Mind you that organisations keep financial matters private and that we may not have any knowledge about them. Your point is that the current espoRTS scene is unprofessional, but do you have any proof? Are you saying that player's are not continuously leaving team's and joining new one's with any problem's? Name me another professional sport where people can do this when ever they like?
Are they breaking contracts? There hasn't even been that much player movement.
The only player that broke a contract was Destiny. Sheth and Puma didn't break any contracts. Hell, what other players have been switching teams lately?
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On July 29 2011 17:08 poda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 17:04 butch wrote:Gratz Sheth! He fits perfect in the TL picture, mannerbear <3 On July 29 2011 15:08 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 14:59 BrahCJ wrote:On July 29 2011 14:48 poda wrote:On July 29 2011 13:51 EnderSword wrote:On July 29 2011 13:13 poda wrote:
I find it amusing that esports want's to be considered professional yet a professional contract means nothing and gamers are aloud to jump from one team to another like there contract was written on a bar napkin. Considering the professionalism (or lack there of) I have witnessed in the past few months following esports, I would not be surprised if they are. Do you have any examples? Who has actually broken a contract? Sheth didn't break any contract with FXO, Puma never had one with TSL, Most player transfers have been teams buying out another team, (VT, fOu, coL etc..) Or players not under a contract simply switching teams. (Fruitdealer et al) The only one who I can think of that actually broke a deal with Destiny, and he really just reneged on something he signed like 2 days before. Like any sport, players get traded and moved, and if someone's contract is up, they're basically a free agent. I think it's great that Sheth is joining Liquid, I don't think he's broken any contract to do this. In any other professional sport if a player is under contract they are expected to do there job until the contract is terminated. In some cases player's are released and in some player's quit. It seems in esports (perhaps just sc2 as i don't follow other's) that in both cases there are never any consequence for either party (player, coach or manager). It may not matter to player or team that people jump from team to team like this but after following other professional sports and being involved with others this does look very unprofessional. It looks like contracts don't exist or are indeed meaningless. It makes the sport look unprofessional, like it is just a bunch of kids playing video games. I think the reason for this is the lack of an organisation overseeing the sport. Although another topic I do believe this is the underlying reason. Every professional sport has a governing body that makes sure contracts are upheld, participants are looked after, transfer windows are enforced and the list goes on. Im not trying to hate on the community or indeed Sheth or team Liquid. But after following the sport for only a few months it is difficult to take the professional side seriously with the lack of professionalism within. If you want to attract big sponsors and big money that it would have to change as i'm sure that people within big business would have the same concerns. Let's say a sponsor was tempted to give to team liquid because of the Sheth signing, they have no guarantee that he will not just walk out on this team. And i'm not saying Sheth will its just an example, same thing could be said for any big name on any team. Why sponser that team because of that player, if the player can just change to another team over night? Firsty, wall of text. Secondly, "not saying sheth will just walk out, just an example" in the thread that anounces Sheths signing?... Oookkkk... Thirdly, the garentee for the sponsor is the contract. There is a contract here. There was no breaking of any contract when Sheth left FXO. it was mutual. Coming in here spraying bullshit about the uncertaintly of professional esports teams without any facts is stupid. Now. Onto what really matters. OMFG GO SHETH! Such a deserving man! I hope TL can find him a way to spend a little more time in Korea, the way it suits him! And of course, congrats to TL. You have signed yourself one he'll of a man, and a player. Clearly you miss my point and you don't know what your talking about. Where in these past months that you've been following the scene has a player or an organisation broken a contract onesidedly without carrying the consequences? Mind you that organisations keep financial matters private and that we may not have any knowledge about them. Your point is that the current espoRTS scene is unprofessional, but do you have any proof? Are you saying that player's are not continuously leaving team's and joining new one's with any problem's? Name me another professional sport where people can do this when ever they like?
If they don't have a contract? All of them.
Why don't you answer his question instead:
Where in these past months that you've been following the scene has a player or an organisation broken a contract onesidedly without carrying the consequences?
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Well, with Sheth you guys got yourself one of the top American zergs and most likely top zergs outside Korea. You'll get a player who will train hard at home to compete in events, online and offline. But I doubt you'll get more than that... :-/
I seriously hope that Sheth, under the Liquid flag, will be able to overcome the problems that led him to part ways with FXO and will be able to represent Team Liquid and the non-Korean scene when things start to heat up in the competitive esports scene. He certainly has the raw potential for it.
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Wow. Amazing news. I think this only took so long because Liquid needed to order some XXXXXXXXXXXL sized blue shirts for our Zerg hero, since, well, he's so full of GM and awesomeness!
TL prides themselves on being the ambassadors of the SC community, and I can think of no better addition to the team (with the possible but unlikely exceptions of Liquid`Day[9], or maybe even Liquid`LindseySporrer).
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