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[MSL] Swan Song

Text byflamewheel
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September 8th, 2010 00:40 GMT
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Goodbye, sweet MSL.


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The Lee-Ssang Rock

Series Recap

Trials, Tribulations, and Triumphs
By l10f, QibingZero, Ver and flamewheel

The audience sits, transfixed by the music. Frenzied now, the tempo is, and loud is the sound. The building threatens to collapse from the sheer power of the notes, the beautiful notes.

Outside the music hall, a lonely wind blows, kicking trash into the air. At the entrance, a forlorn piece of paper flutters, trying to break free of the tape. Detailed on the paper is every patron's worst fear: the music hall is closing down. After twelve long years, the time has come. This is the last of the last, and the audience sits, enraptured by the music, but in the backs of their minds they worry about what is to come.

After an eternity, this symphony is coming to an end. The swan song has been sung, and music shall play from the stone hall nevermore.

The Lee-Ssang Rock
By QibingZero

So, here we stand. After an exciting and extremely high-skilled MSL, we look forward into the dark waters of an uncertain future. However, while we don’t know if there will be another MSL to follow this one (or even what is happening with Proleague), the two best players in Starcraft right now are as set in stone as ever. Both Flash and Jaedong put up incredible performances over the course of Bigfile MSL, and it was fitting that they met in the finals for the third time in as many seasons. Both showed their expected level of brilliance, with intense mind games and great resolve alike. With a full five game series in a matchup that unfortunately often ends well before then, the fans too got what they were looking for.

It’s a real testament to the strength of these two players that we can even ask ourselves at this point: Are these skirmishes in the Lee-Ssang Rok happening too frequently? Are the two so dominant that we’re not seeing enough fresh faces? They seemed to be the definitive strongest players even back a couple years ago, but they weren’t dominating every tournament as they are today. Now the rivalry is being played out every season, and we’ve come to take it for granted. Even the friendly atmosphere of the WCG Korea finals - where both were already guaranteed a spot representing Korea - started out with an epic 50 minute long game between them on Grand Line. If there’s going to be change, it’s hard to believe it will come with these two playing like this.

We often wonder in post-finals discussion if the loser can come back with the same ferocity that got him so far this season. And yet, with these two there seems to be no doubt – no matter who won, no matter what the score. We know Jaedong was disappointed after the loss, but there’s no reason to believe he’ll be truly phased by it come next week. There’s no reason to believe he couldn’t just as easily take Flash in, say, the OSL and its more forgiving map pool. That’s a distinct possibility too, as both are in opposite semis, and breezed through the quarters the day before playing the MSL final.

So, in these problematic times, we at least have a steady foundation to stand on. Rivalries are at the very heart of sports, and it’s been some time since we had one to compare to Boxer-Yellow. As we close out the end of this great MSL, we can look to the masterful play of Flash and Jaedong to provide some solace, hoping that our beloved game still has many years ahead to explore. And if we do end up with another MSL soon, it will be no surprise if these two giants take up arms for a fourth time in a row.


Going into this finals, the question that was on everybody's mind was "Will the Flash vs Jaedong final finally live up to its hype?" NATE's power outage killed a lot of potential epicness and Hana Daetoo was a one-sided domination, and for the third time Flash and Jaedong had ousted everybody else on their way toward the gold. Well, this battle was unique: a champion held onto his position as the best player in the world, Jaedong's 5th set record was broken, and Flash continued his path toward having the best season in Starcraft that anybody has ever seen. Ver has taken time out of his scribing to take apart the games for us, and l10f has kindly hunted down the appropriate pictures.

Series Recap
Text by Ver and pictures by l10f

Set 1: (T)Flash < Polaris Rhapsody > (Z)Jaedong

As predicted, Flash came into the first game with an ingenius plan to seize the initiative and control the entire series from the start. More suprisingly, Jaedong also strove off the beaten path and attempted to surprise and overwhelm Flash in an unexpected fashion.

Against Flash's safe 14cc and expected 1 rax tech, Jaedong showed 2 hatch muta with gas before pool while, after killing Flash's scout, throwing down an additional hatchery in the main at a suboptimal timing in order to get more mutas out at a key moment. Flash would only prepare for 6 mutas, when in reality 8 with an arriving 9th would show up, fueled by the earlier extractors.

Jaedong's surprise met with a mild success, killing several goliaths and scvs as well as forcing the remaining scvs to run. Flash's defense was solid and he did not skimp on turrets as Jaedong might have hoped, but his initial goliath losses were out of character. Still, when balanced against Jaedong's late 3rd and inefficient build order, Jaedong didn't gain too much of an economic lead, but he did get, at least momentarily, control of the game. Further pressure with muta/hydra was possible, but Jaedong instead chose to aim to get a lead in the midgame.

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This is Jaedong's mind games at work.

Flash's mech strategy would assuredly have been to get up to 4 factories, tech to vessels and start 2/1, then push out to grab either the double bases at 9 or 12/1 with vulture/tank/goliath/vessel. Until that point, he would and could not move out beyond minor vulture harass. Jaedong took advantage of that lack of pressure to take 2 more bases, pump only drones when Flash was not a threat, and have a roaring econ while still making enough hydras to protect from vulture harass. From here, Jaedong could either try to make a timing attack when Flash was trying to seize the new bases or to make enough of an army to cover expanding to the rest of the map and gain control over the key 1 base. Either way, Jaedong would be in a fine position.

However, Flash was one step ahead of Jaedong as usual. Instead of going with his normal mech plan, Flash threw down 4 barracks with +1 weapon and +1 mech armor and minutes later rolled out with an unstoppable timing attack. The Zerg resistance was almost laughable.

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... and this is Flash's mind games at work.

If Jaedong had played a solid game, not trying to gain an economic lead but simply satisfying himself with equality, similar to Zero in his game vs Flash in the OSL, Flash would likely had lost or at least ended up at a good disadvantage. His entire strategy rested upon knowing exactly what Jaedong would do and his final blow was delivered with exquisite timing in the largest point of disparity.

Just as in the last MSL and in his 3-0 victory against Stork, Flash showed mastery of iloveoov's principle of creating a threat, showing the opponent that threat and forcing them to react to it, and then doing a 180 and hitting them with something new to take advantage of their reaction to the illusionary threat. Jaedong simply got outthought, outpredicted, and outplanned.

Set 2: (T)Flash < Odd-Eye 3 > (Z)Jaedong

Just like the last MSL finals and the first Bacchus OSL against stork, Flash aimed to make use of the psychological advantage from the first game and confront Jaedong with a new twist. And just like both finals, Flash accurately anticipated his adversarys' thought processes and designed a powerful build to make use of that knowledge.

Odd Eye 3 is a unique kind of map where if both sides enter the late game in what would normally be parity, the Terran will end up ahead. However, if the Zerg can gain some kind of advantage, the map would suddenly put Terrans into a nasty predicament. As he did against Light and Sea, Jaedong felt it worthwhile to take a risk and gain that advantage. And just like game 1, Flash the Prophet forsaw it all.

Flash opened up a safe 14cc into mech, which he did not bother to hide from Jaedong at all like in game 1 (no marine production at front rax), while meanwhile Jaedong correctly went 3 hatch before pool into muta while squeezing out a few hydras to stop any vulture shenanigans. After that point, both players continued blind and diverged from trodden paths.

Instead of staying on 2 factories, making enough goliaths and trying to take a 3rd base safely as Light did, Flash immediately jumped to 4 factories and threw down an armory that hastily researched +1 armor. These extremely early factories meant that Flash would not have an academy, ebay, or any kind of tech. But they did mean lots of goliaths!

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4 Factory opening...

Jaedong on the other hand let Flash's vulture see his morphing spire and saved larvae in case of a scan, but instead of 9 mutas made 9 hydras! With a normal 2 factory opening, Flash would been forced to make goliaths and turrets to defend against the illusionary mutas and thus would have had great trouble holding his natural against the hydra horde. Even if Jaedong would not have been able to deal serious damage with the hydras, Flash would have been under great threat, unable to move out or expand, and Jaedong would be able to continue his real strategy of droning up 2 fresh expansions in peace. By the time Flash would have realized Jaedong's bluff, the latter would have had a decisive advantage that the map would see to its finish.

When Jaedong's fake hydra threat busted down the first depot, Flash didn't bother to count Jaedong's hydras or wait for Jaedong to try to push further and overcommit himself. Flash simply walked on out and crushed Jaedong with double the goliaths he should have had. Jaedong's many drones and hatcheries that would have been so useful if Flash had simply cowed behind his walls and slowly taken his 3rd were nothing more than an agonizing reminder of all the hydras that he lacked to stop the fercious attack.

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... results in a lot of goliaths!

In set 1, by threatening one dangerous strategy, Flash lured Jaedong into overreacting to it and then transitioned into a totally new build to take advantage of Jaedong's reaction. In set 2, Flash instead correctly predicted Jaedong's every action and went with a build from the start to take advantage of the complete series of actions he knew Jaedong would adopt.

This game showed that not only did Flash forsee that Jaedong would fake mutas, but he also knew that Jaedong would only threaten agressive hydra play and instead expand and mass drones. For those who claim that Jaedong was somehow wronged due to maps or natural imbalance because Flash could hide his builds, well get this: Flash did all of this blind and would have died had he gotten a single prediction wrong. Flash simply is many levels beyond any modern player besides Fantasy at series play. Next to him, Jaedong is simply nothing special.

Set 3: (T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Jaedong

Unlike in the first 2 games, Flash was happy to keep Jaedong guessing without commiting to any kind of allin, instead entering a rarely played and very complicated midgame he felt quite comfortable in. Jaedong was apparently out of ideas and put his trust in his experience as he has done so many times before, seemingly content to react to Flash's ideas.

By getting his 3rd Barracks before ebay, Flash took the game into dangerous territory, looking to deny the Zerg's 3rd for as long as he could. This third denial strategy is quite unpopular amongst pro Terrans, likely because it is simply too double-edged and complex. One of the most murky strategies in the game out there, it is a perfect fit for Flash because of his immense understanding and maphacking game sense. He successfully employed this against Jaedong before, and this time he enjoyed success

With this 3rd denial approach, the Terran attempts to delay the Zerg 3rd gas for as long as possible. The Zerg can choose to counterattack with mutas or with a muta/ling runby, choose an inferior expansion location, or they can also attempt to kill the marauding Terran army with muta/ling. Within these possible variations are many different alternatives of ling/drone timings. The Terran has many choices of which turrets to prioritize, scouting possible expansion locations, and making sure his army does not get caught off guard. In the previous Flash/Jaedong game linked above, Jaedong attempted a muta/ling runby that was predicted and easily stopped. Jaedong then invested in many lings to stop Flash's denial attempts, but Flash managed to maneuver, split, and reform his army in such breathtaking fashion that Jaedong lost every battle and could not even establish a 3rd.

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No 3rd for you Jaedong!

This time around, Jaedong opted to counterattack with his mutas, successfully catching Flash's natural before its key 3rd and 4th turrets could complete. The mutas were able to deal notable damage, but at the expense of his 3rd getting delayed longer and longer. Flash's economic troubles were temporary, but the longer that 3rd stayed down, the worse off Jaedong would be.

The most important moment during this entire period was the failure of the lowly firebat at 5 to stop the drone from starting the hatchery. A firebat cannot kill a drone singlehandedly and Flash was forced to pull his infantry that were controlling 1 to kill 5. He could have potentially left his natural bare, using that group to kill 5 while holding 1, but he did not seem to have the complete grasp on the strategic situation (likely predicting that Jaedong would get more lings than he did) one would expect from him. However, Flash did not, and Jaedong was able to finally take advantage of his absence by getting lurkers in position to defend 1 and throw down a hatch.

Even though Flash would not have been able to kill Jaedong outright due to the fast hive, Jaedong would have been forced into a hopeless endgame, having no map control, being behind economically, and having no possible expansion zone. Having the 3rd gas at 1 inherently gives the Zerg control over that side of the map as well as offers an easily defendable 4th location, while taking 12 as the 3rd offers nothing but the ability to transfer drones quicker.

Despite Flash's failure to win right there, he still had an excellent position. It was possible that he could have stormed Jaedong's natural before his lurkers were ready there, but seemed to be too afraid of the counterattack to leave his natural open. Regardless of Jaedong having 1, he was not able to actually start mining there until his Nydus finished because Flash controlled the supply line from 11 to 1 and Jaedong did not have the units to even momentarily break that hold.

Jaedong's decision to rush towards hive immediately deserves praise, as it was the sole factor that saved him from an immediate death to timing push. Flash was well ahead economically and Jaedong simply would not have had the manpower to fight off Flash's timing attack. Instead, he got defilers in time to keep his key nydus to ensure the life of 1, though he still sacrificed considerable map control in order to stay alive.

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Jaedong's hive tech at work.

The second key point in the game was Jaedong attempting to take 5 and investing in it rather heavily. If Jaedong could hold 5, Flash would be denied the ability to transition into his favored lategame TvZ of limiting the Zerg to 6 gas and defending with a combination of massed tanks and mobile m&m/vessel. However, this was an exceptionally dangerous move.

His position was perilous already and trying to take 5 only made him walk on the edge of death. This time, it was Jaedong's understanding of his opponent that led him to select the best continuation for victory. Had Flash and Light swapped positions as soon as Jaedong took 5 (or even after Jaedong reached hive), Light would have been easily able to force a win with his impeccable post-defiler/pre-ultra aggression, as he has done twice in the past half year against Jaedong. In both games Light gained a midgame advantage (as Flash did in this one) and was able to convert it successfully, giving Jaedong no chances to come back.

However, Flash is not Light. Brilliant as he is in every other aspect, Flash lacks the multitasking ability, the sense of timing, and the overall understanding of how to play in the positions Light finds most comfortable: aggressive 3 base lategame positions. Clearly Jaedong understood Flash's weakness and managed to force the latter into a position he was very uncomfortable in, just as Flash had done to him with his original midgame strategy.

He had numerous opportunities to translate of his complete map control into an insurmountable economic lead, but all he achieved was wasted armies and the death of most of 1's drones. A late 2nd/3rd port, late 3rd base, and overall criminal lack of dropships at key timings all added up to slowly drain away his advantage. His lone triple dropdship doom drop occurred far too late to be of any real use: had it happened when Jaedong was under heavy pressure at 1 or just trying to set up his position at 1 or 5, the outcome would have been very different.

Even after failing to take down 5 the game was not lost, mostly due to Flash's enormous Vessel count and superior army, but he made a very uncharacteristic tactical blunder in letting half his army and all his vessels get caught unawares by a fresh rampaging ultra/scourge herd. Normally you never see Flash ever leave himself vulnerable to attack by an ultra/ling army, always making sure his army is not vulnerable and the ultras properly irradiated beforehand, but his sense was undoubtedly dulled by the foreign position he found himself in.

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The Flash we know would never let this happen.

Overall Jaedong did not play the midgame particularly well and ended up well behind, but through excellent understanding of his opponent and some daring risks, he was able to slowly claw his way into the lead with superb play against 3 base aggression. For his part, Flash played the midgame well up until the firebat mishap at 5. From defilers on he looked uncertain of what to do, something you almost never see from Flash. Despite the overall score of the match, game 3 proved that Flash still has weaknesses to be fixed and that Jaedong can find and take advantage of them.

Set 4: (T)Flash < Triathlon > (Z)Jaedong

Contrary to his overall character but not entirely unpredictable, incredibly sloppy defense from Flash led to Jaedong getting a gift win, something that he has relied on in many of his series vs Terrans. While Flash may have been cursed with getting the much harder to defend 12 position (cannot barrack wall because marines pop out on wrong side), he still had many chances to avoid the embarassing loss, most notably by remembering to move his scout back into Jaedong's main a few seconds or more earlier.

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Flash is so generous that he gifts Jaedong a win.

As happy as Jaedong might have been to receive a free win, if he had the choice he no doubt would have wished it had happened on any other map, for Triathlon was his to lose. That said, Flash said he had an excellent strategy prepared which would surely have made it competitive and it is a great shame that we did not get to see it played out, as Triathlon has really lacked any kind of unique TvZ approaches since the last MSL finals.

Set 5: (T)Flash < Polaris Rhapsody > (Z)Jaedong

For the third and a half time that night Flash demonstrated that he completely understood Jaedong and could predict all his major strategic decisions. Like games 1 and 2, this was another match won by purely strategy.

Flash strove to maximize everything and went for a blind 14cc, not scouting until his second supply depot finished! Jaedong went for 2 hatch muta like game 1, but instead of trying to surprise Flash with 3 extra muta and then focusing on econ, he simply slapped down a very early 3rd and 4th at the normal 3rd timing and droned early. Apparently, Jaedong was satisfied with getting the largest economic advantage he could have versus mech, not bothering with any kind of surprises or empty threats.

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Flash's boldness shows in his blind 14CC.

But instead of opening mech, Flash plopped down an ebay and immediately threw up 4 Barracks, signally an aggressive m&m push against mutas. This was not passive, lumbering mech game, it was a declaration of war!

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Flash reads Jaedong like a book with his fast +1 build.

Once again, Flash predicted what Jaedong would do, deceived Jaedong to his own intentions, and used a build to take full advantage of his knowledge. With his large advantage in upgraded infantry, he continually rushed forward while making sure to guard his reinforcements, never giving Jaedong a moment's respite or any kind of weakness. By the time Jaedong's mutas got to Flash's main and he realized exactly what he was dealing with, it was too late. His economic adventures put him in a very vulnerable position that he could not hope to defend without impossibly superior micro, which is not going to happen against Flash.

Note that along with continuously sacrificing infantry for expansions and drones, Flash made sure to prevent any kind of counterattack with the semi-walled bunker and solid turret setup. Not only did Flash arrange matters so that he had a technically won game, he made sure to do it by giving Jaedong the least amount of room to squirm in. Had Jaedong countered instead of trying to hold off Flash's pressing, the game would have become rather messy and Jaedong might have managed to squeak out some kind of miracle victory. However with that option removed, Jaedong had no choice but to melt mutas before the neverending storm of infantry.

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Jaedong couldn't even start hive as Flash's army heads for the kill.

Let's be clear here, Jaedong did not lose this because he microed badly (rather Flash just microed quite well) or made some kind of error or another. Jaedong was in a lost position as soon as the builds solidifed and his only hope for victory was praying that Flash would make an egregrious blunder or three. Flash had so many different ways to play the midgame that would have all led to a victory, though his was possibly the best and the one that left Jaedong with the least amount of counterplay. The margin of victory was so great that Jaedong had not even started on his hive by the time his economy and army were a smoldering ruin. Flash takes the fifth set, and with it a second MSL title.


And so the Bigfile MSL finals concluded. For the second time, Flash showed that he knew Jaedong inside and out, and took another well-deserved gold. It's been a long trip up to this point, starting from the preliminaries way back when in May. Great matches have been played, tense nailbiter-worthy series fought between some of Brood War's best. As always, those of us still loyal (and willing to sacrifice sleep) to this game stayed up till 5 in the morning, cheering our favorite players on.

However, all good things must come to an end. At this point, I don't think it's too sensationalist to say that this is very likely the last MSL, and in my opinion this finals gave it a fitting sendoff. But before we close out this post, I'd like to abuse my status as the MSL head to give a short little spiel.

Trials, Tribulations, and Triumphs
By flamewheel

What a season it has been. From blundering into making the Hana Daetoo Finals post to becoming MSL head shortly afterward, my [TL] life has been intrinsically tied to the MBCGame Starleague. Like you, the dedicated viewers, I have spent the sleepless nights watching the games, seeing the players duke it out first in the odd Survivor format, and then onward to BoX series. Despite not understanding more than two licks of Korean, I laughed over the selection ceremony and its silly songs and performances by the progamers. I despaired over and was jealous of the fact that OSL had the stronger player pool, but that didn't stop me from finding some great games to watch in this MSL. I witnessed Sea take down Stork in the Survivor Round Winner's Match, achieving his 18th win in a row in the MST. I watched in amazement as EffOrt proved again that he was the July to Flash's oov in the Ro32. In the same vein, I cheered when history was made by ZerO vs great in their epic ZvZ which I hope becomes the norm and not an exception. I pinched myself when Kal nearly took the first game from Jaedong and pinched harder when he did manage to take the second, finally breaking his long loss streak against the Tyrant. I laughed as Bisu proved Idra wrong not once, but twice, showing that making Carriers is not always a good skill toi have. As the tournament wound on, I cheered as Jaedong took down both Sea and Light, and watched in amazement as Fantasy and Flash clashed. Oh, and Calm vs Fantasy as a series was hilarious. Many games and matches showed that Starcraft, despite being a game now 12 years old, still has much to show and teach us.

But, unfortunately, time is of the essence. Increasingly over the past month, it's been difficult to keep up. I admit now that I haven't actually watched a single game of Flash vs Fantasy (though I read about them), and I fell asleep after Light went up 2-1 against Jaedong (I swear every time I watch Jaedong ends up losing... since I watched the first set of Jaedong vs Sea and then failed to wake up for the next three). If it weren't for the TL meetup after MLG Raleigh, I probably would have slept through the finals. Starcraft II sapped MSL's fans and viewers. There have been many times when I just wanted to call it quits halfway through, but through some stroke of willpower and luck the entirety of the MSL team has made it through to the end, and I'm eternally thankful to everybody that has helped me work on these posts. From the established writers team, the graphics guys (alffla you're cute), my silly roommate and all my lurker friends, interviewees and to my personal hero Ver, you're the best.

To delayed deadlines, sniper kittens, failed fan fictions, late nights for writers, countless hours spent searching for that failed html tag, and most importantly to another successful season finished. If this is to be the last MSL, I hope that this season has been a fitting one to send the MBCGame Starleague to its final resting place.

And so I'm going to end this final news post here with my 9100th post--a number I'm quite happy to stop at. Thanks to all of you who have kept up with the MSL through the thick and thin, and keep on playing BW.

Good luck, Teamliquid! It'll be interesting to come back in a long time to see how things are. Brood War for life!

Also, Jaedong for OSL gold.


[image loading]And so it ends, the Bigfile MSL. Is it the last? Regardless, a huge thanks to the MSL team of Atrioc, l10f, and QibingZero for sticking through with it until the bittersweet end. Massive props to alffla and disciple for their graphics, and a huge thanks to everybody who contributed to these news posts for the last three months--there are too many to name, and I don't want to forget somebody.

That's all I've got for you guys. flamewheel out.
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
September 08 2010 00:41 GMT
#2
The MSL team did a fantastic job this season, and flamewheel in particular stepped up from being a new writer to a Lead in a very short time and carried out his duties with punctuality and precision. Well done, sir!
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Ojahh
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Ireland728 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 01:07:06
September 08 2010 00:50 GMT
#3
wow that are nice report on the Flash-Jaedong session. thanks a lot for all the work you've put in.
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SpavaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Croatia175 Posts
September 08 2010 00:51 GMT
#4
Set 5: Mind... Blown...
aka imagiNe... "What if Nydus worms could make my coffee, play 2v2 and close threads for me? That would be grand." - riptide
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
September 08 2010 00:53 GMT
#5
hooray article about broodwar~

and this better not be the last msl
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PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
September 08 2010 00:55 GMT
#6
I don't know why i keep thinking this might just be it.
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er.misrah
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States55 Posts
September 08 2010 00:56 GMT
#7
Amazing job msl team, thanks for the great writeup!
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United States4549 Posts
September 08 2010 00:57 GMT
#8
Loved all the writeups... My heart is so deeply saddened that this could be the end T_____________________T
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Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
September 08 2010 00:58 GMT
#9
so good~
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 08 2010 01:01 GMT
#10
Jaedong dont disappoint me in OSL!
Jaedong :3
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
September 08 2010 01:05 GMT
#11
if this is the end... at least it went out with an epic bang. Flash V JD is, in my mind, the greatest SCBW rivalry of all time *now*... yes, even greater than Boxer V Yellow, when considering that Yellow never won a gold, while Flash & JD have an almost equal number of titles, with both more than Boxer.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
potatoedoughnut
Profile Joined July 2008
United States334 Posts
September 08 2010 01:05 GMT
#12
Great finals and great summary. And thank you for all your hard work!!
Eagles may soar, but weasels do not get sucked into jet engines.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
September 08 2010 01:19 GMT
#13
Great write-up, and thanks to the MSL team!!

Hopefully many more to come! *crosses fingers*
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
September 08 2010 01:20 GMT
#14
flash will go down as one of the greatest BW players ever
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 01:32:45
September 08 2010 01:31 GMT
#15
Great write-up guys. Thanks for all your hard work throughout the season. I've enjoyed the in-depth analysis that often gets missed in the heat of the battle.

BTW, while it doesn't look good right now, I hope this isn't the last we see of the MSL. Call me an optimist but I've got a feeling it won't be.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
September 08 2010 01:34 GMT
#16
On September 08 2010 10:20 jax1492 wrote:
flash will go down as one of the greatest BW players ever

jaedong will win osl pls

I really, REALLY hope this isn't MSL's "swan song." KeSPA and the progame teams, judging from the continuation of Proleague, seem to still have fight left in them. With a push from the fans, I think MSL could continue.
Translator:3
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 08 2010 01:35 GMT
#17
Thanks for the detailed analysis, Ver. Flash indeed planned a level above JD even before the series began.

If the teams go ahead with proleague I would think they might try to back MSL as well. But the reference to teams pressuring OGN on GSL might mean that once again the broadcaster isn't fully aligned with the interests of the sponsors.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
chavez885
Profile Joined April 2010
United States7 Posts
September 08 2010 01:43 GMT
#18
Great article, thanks.
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
September 08 2010 01:53 GMT
#19
Beautiful article. Thank you!
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
September 08 2010 02:00 GMT
#20
gj flamewheel

"lee-ssang nal_rock"?
Writer
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
September 08 2010 02:07 GMT
#21
great write-up guys. flamewheel you did a really good job this season :D
Free Palestine
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
September 08 2010 02:20 GMT
#22
"swan song"


thanks for shout-out :p
Writer
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 08 2010 02:32 GMT
#23
Thanks for all the work you guys put into this.
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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
September 08 2010 03:13 GMT
#24
Just want to say that Flamewheel deserves an insane amount of credit for his work this season.
He was passionate and hardworking for every MSL update even when it was clear that most of TL's attention was on flashy new SC2 news.

Was a pleasure to work with him.

Writerman what
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
September 08 2010 03:22 GMT
#25
The in-depth analysis of flash's brilliance is really really nice =D
And of course flamewheel being baller as usual and the entire staff and graphics team doing an amazing job as always =D
Saline
Profile Joined February 2008
United States73 Posts
September 08 2010 03:29 GMT
#26
Awesome write-up. Flash and Jaedong are the two best SC players to have ever existed, and it's great to see them get to go head-to-head.
ThE.SparkZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States381 Posts
September 08 2010 03:33 GMT
#27
Dear TeamLiquid writers,

Never stop your quality write ups and articles please. I always enjoy reading them ^^
A battle between gods is just so damn beautiful
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 08 2010 03:34 GMT
#28
As always it is a pleasure to read Ver's analysis. I was really hoping that he will write a word or two on game 3 as to be honest I was surprise how Jaedong managed to win it. Now it seems really clear. Thanks a lot Ver for work!

And obviously lots of thanks to Flamewheel! I enjoyed immensely your write-ups. I guess I am one of the few that cares much more about BW than SC2...
KimchiFriedRice
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada237 Posts
September 08 2010 03:45 GMT
#29
Thanks for the writeup guys!

Flash and Jaedong are both bosses~
I will shove Kimchi up your ass and watch you writhe in pain.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
September 08 2010 03:55 GMT
#30
On September 08 2010 12:13 Atrioc wrote:
Just want to say that Flamewheel deserves an insane amount of credit for his work this season.
He was passionate and hardworking for every MSL update even when it was clear that most of TL's attention was on flashy new SC2 news.

Was a pleasure to work with him.




Flamewheel did do an amazing job. I'm also very impressed with l10f, and you too, atrioc.

I have been playing SC2 and watching a little bit, but when it comes to forums, I would much rather stick to the quality on the BW side.

While I'm at it, thanks to all the grizzled vets who make this site run, who make the vibe and the quality stand out from every other site out there!
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
September 08 2010 04:09 GMT
#31
I am a starcraft II fan but there is nothing like people riding the highest level of skill in the greatest esports stage ever imagined.

The MSL OSL and SL all have special places in the world of esports, and I for one am immensely grateful for all the time and effort you and your team have put into these write ups.

Thank you.
Tahts halo dont worry
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
September 08 2010 04:21 GMT
#32
really nice writeup. thanks
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
September 08 2010 04:33 GMT
#33
Even though this may be the end it was an epic finale. If only JD had pulled it out
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0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
September 08 2010 04:42 GMT
#34
Awesome battle reports. As much as I love sc2, watching it played professionally is nowhere near as exciting as bw.
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
September 08 2010 04:42 GMT
#35
Flash simply is many levels beyond any modern player besides Fantasy at series play. Next to him, Jaedong is simply nothing special.

Holy heck that is a pretty bold conclusion to draw from such a small sample size.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
September 08 2010 05:00 GMT
#36
On September 08 2010 13:42 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
Flash simply is many levels beyond any modern player besides Fantasy at series play. Next to him, Jaedong is simply nothing special.

Holy heck that is a pretty bold conclusion to draw from such a small sample size.


yea especially considering only 3 months ago flash lost to effort in a Bo5.

flash has been on top of JD the last 2 times they met (or technically 2/3 if you count WCG finals), but I don't think he's very far ahead of JD at all in series play.
Free Palestine
MusicalPulse
Profile Joined July 2010
United States162 Posts
September 08 2010 05:10 GMT
#37
Noooo BW please don't die!!!!
GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
September 08 2010 05:18 GMT
#38
That was a good series to watch. WP games.
Some people hurt people. I defenestrate those people.
CoWsGoesMoo
Profile Joined June 2010
250 Posts
September 08 2010 05:19 GMT
#39
On September 08 2010 14:10 MusicalPulse wrote:
Noooo BW please don't die!!!!


BW isn't dying?
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
September 08 2010 05:29 GMT
#40
Great job by the MSL team! I applaud your efforts and thank you for another great article/summery/review! ^^
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
September 08 2010 05:36 GMT
#41
Amazing work! I truly hope this won't be the last...

That being said, I probably could never forgive Blizzard/GOM if this is the last.
None are so busy as the fool and knave.
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
September 08 2010 05:45 GMT
#42
Amazing write up. Although as awesome and epic as it is, I really hope next season has different players in the finals.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
Nayru
Profile Joined April 2010
United States87 Posts
September 08 2010 05:50 GMT
#43
It thought it was a great match.
White-Ra: "I miss reaver, he so stupid but he kill 20 SCV!"
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
September 08 2010 05:55 GMT
#44
Thank you MSL team! You guys kick ass. A season of coverage is a really big accomplishment.
✌
Teeny
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria885 Posts
September 08 2010 06:11 GMT
#45
Great article. Thanks for the nice writeup!
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
September 08 2010 06:27 GMT
#46
This is definitely one of the better written finals reports I've read in a while. So detailed and much better analysis than I normally see. Normally I will read an article and be like, "yeah I knew that already and also you forgot this". This time I was actually kicking myself for not being able to realise many of the intricacies of both players strategies that you guys spotted nicely.

Nicely done
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 08 2010 06:36 GMT
#47
such a great writeup. i really do hope that this is not the end. SCBW and SCII must coexist!
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
torfteufel
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany86 Posts
September 08 2010 06:39 GMT
#48
what a pleasure to read (!) and saves me from watching the matches :D
"You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole!" El Duderino
old_blaggard
Profile Joined February 2009
United States21 Posts
September 08 2010 06:55 GMT
#49
Nice writeups, and thanks so much for the coverage. If this is indeed the last MSL post, it's definitely a worthy one.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 08 2010 07:17 GMT
#50
gg flash wp

i'm going to hang up my starcraft pants for a few days I think... I didn't even know these had happened, too much sc2 :/
ESV Mapmaking Team || http://twitter.com/prodiGsc || Real talk, I don't have time to sugar-coat it for you sir
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
September 08 2010 07:23 GMT
#51
Flamewheel I am saddened by where you could be going and by the potential loss of the MSL, although they had their fuckups it was a great league and I enjoyed quite a few of their finals. It will be a sad day yet a fitting end if the MSL dies with this series.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
September 08 2010 07:54 GMT
#52
Congratulations to the MSL team for a phenomenal season! Well done guys, we all appreciate the hours you guys put in, here's to hoping this isn't the last time!
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
September 08 2010 08:34 GMT
#53
Crazy well written Flamewheel. Especially like your game analyses, in which it is very evident you have alot of knowlegde about all the progamers.

Loved it.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark353 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 09:55:52
September 08 2010 09:52 GMT
#54
This better not be the last msl (((. Thanks for all your hard work, there are still ALOT of us out there who watches BW with great passion.

(Also this article wont load in Google Chrome but fine in ie.. ?)
Eternity
Profile Joined October 2002
France69 Posts
September 08 2010 10:20 GMT
#55
Great job. I love the game analysis which really give in-depth information about the mind games which I knew were there but lack information to understand fully while watching live.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
September 08 2010 10:25 GMT
#56
Very very good analysis of the games, I could understand much more, than myself, thanks guys, you're the best!!!
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
September 08 2010 11:28 GMT
#57
Also, Jaedong for OSL gold.

Damn right! There's a high chance of this happening since there's no 2x Polaris Rhapsody. -_-;

Awesome article, as always! The games kinda sucked though...
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
September 08 2010 13:33 GMT
#58
A big thanks to the MSL team for their coverage.

And gl to Flame in his future endeavours. Quality writers will always be missed.
Pikachusc2
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada91 Posts
September 08 2010 13:42 GMT
#59
i F***ing love flash.
Goodgames!
Losing is learning. winning is teaching
Boundless
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada588 Posts
September 08 2010 13:52 GMT
#60
Nice games! Flash is continually proving he's not just a macro master, but a complete player.
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." - Romans 6:14
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
September 08 2010 14:11 GMT
#61
nice report... a little Flash bias... but i think is ok...
Stork FAN!!!
everstarleague
Profile Joined December 2009
China89 Posts
September 08 2010 14:26 GMT
#62
Atrioc and others of starleague reporter fighting!
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
September 08 2010 14:40 GMT
#63
On September 08 2010 10:20 jax1492 wrote:
flash will go down as one of the greatest BW players ever


Too late for that, buddy. Flash and Jaedong are already the best players of their respective races of all time.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
September 08 2010 14:45 GMT
#64
Great write-up!

Thanks to all the people who worked on the MSL coverage, and especially to the streamers for actually showing it <3 <3 <3.

I really hope this isn't the last MSL, because I still want Flash and Jaedong to win more :D
Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 08 2010 15:29 GMT
#65
good luck to you in the future Flamewheel! Please come back and write more articles for TL sometime. I'm going to miss your terrific writeups
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
September 08 2010 15:39 GMT
#66
Great job, thank yo for your efforts.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Zholistic
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia278 Posts
September 08 2010 16:53 GMT
#67
Great read, thanks for the write up ^^
"Scissors are overpowered. Rock is fine." -Paper
Rokkysan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States32 Posts
September 08 2010 17:06 GMT
#68
Props to you flamewheel
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
September 08 2010 19:08 GMT
#69
Thanks for this.
RIP MBC Game Hero
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
September 08 2010 21:58 GMT
#70
On September 08 2010 13:42 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
Flash simply is many levels beyond any modern player besides Fantasy at series play. Next to him, Jaedong is simply nothing special.

Holy heck that is a pretty bold conclusion to draw from such a small sample size.


agreed,


Nice write-up ver, felt a bit Flash-biased to me but :p we all have our little bias
Writer
pronesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 21:59:08
September 08 2010 21:58 GMT
#71
Great write up, but I can't help but notice all the excessive Flash praise in there. :D
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
September 08 2010 22:44 GMT
#72
Very sad bw might gonna die but it at least it ended with a very high note by another fvJ epic Osl final matchup in mainland China.
Sensang
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany8 Posts
September 08 2010 22:54 GMT
#73
What exactly will Kespa do if the sc1 era ends?

Thought they arent that interested in hosting sc2^^
I don't know if MSL is linked to kespa though...
Or doesn't GomTV have exclusive rights to broadcast sc2 tournaments in korea?
Thought I heard something like that...

Nevertheless, I'd really love to see JD and/or Flash playing sc2 :D
If I wanna see them play sc1 i still have hundreds of unwatched vods to go through...
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
September 08 2010 23:07 GMT
#74
excellent writeup, thanks.

And thanks for all your hard work this season.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
September 08 2010 23:48 GMT
#75
Thank you for a wonderful piece, a good write up, nicely written.

If this is the last, then you and the games, have given it a worthy send off.
Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
September 09 2010 02:53 GMT
#76
WEll, an end to an epic season, I'll miss BW.
BoxeR is AWESOME!!!!//Proud 2nd Member of the BW>SC2 club.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
September 09 2010 04:20 GMT
#77
beautiful article. Thanks, guys.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
September 09 2010 09:51 GMT
#78
Thank you to all on the msl news team :D
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
September 09 2010 11:21 GMT
#79
Great analysis, great report.
Wir haben zuwenig Vespingas!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8024 Posts
September 09 2010 13:58 GMT
#80
Thanks for this great article!!
Jd please win the OSL !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 09 2010 15:29 GMT
#81
On September 08 2010 23:11 Inzek wrote:
nice report... a little Flash bias... but i think is ok...

Life is a little Flash biased these days. Good writeup. GL with life flamewheel.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
micromegas
Profile Joined November 2008
Denmark171 Posts
September 09 2010 17:23 GMT
#82
I guess a goodish lot more than at little Flash biased, but I guess you're cool with that 'cause you're a Flash fan. I wouldn't like a Jaedong biased write-up, regardless if he won or lost, though.

Anyway, Flash is going down Saturday. And he'll cry, we hope xD
We need help, the poet reckoned.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
September 09 2010 21:15 GMT
#83
That was a disgustingly biased write-up
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Ocular
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada141 Posts
September 10 2010 14:17 GMT
#84
Thank you so much for the time and effort it took to write this article. It was extremely enjoyable thank you.
In the land of make believe you are mine, in the land of make believe I'm doing fine...
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
September 15 2010 00:29 GMT
#85
God! Even in BroodWar Terrans are OP!!!

xP

JK!

I'll definitely watch these!!! I wish I won the lotto so I could move to Korea and play SC/SC2 all day long for the rest of my life! =(
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
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